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Chinese Carbon Road Bikes => Cyclocross Frames, Wheels & Components => Topic started by: spcycle on August 16, 2023, 02:40:39 AM
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Dear All:
Have a nice day.
In 2023, we released a brand new G058 gravel frameset. The geometry of this frame is very comfortable. Very scalable.
Now share some picture and information to this forum members.
Any interesting and order of this frame, feel free to contact us at any time.
info@lc2000.com.cn
For this model some inforamtion listed:
Material: T800 and T1000 Carbon Fiber
Model Number: SP-G058
Frame Size: XS/S/M/L/XL
Seatpost: 27.2x400mm, Compatible with 7 * 7 and 7 * 9mm rails
Headset Size: Top 1-1/2 (52mm) Down 1-1/2 (52mm)
Bottom Bracket: Press-fit BB386 or threaded T47
Cable: Full Hidden Internal Cable Routing, We can also provide semi-integrated routing version.
Brake: Flat Mount Disc Brake, 140 or 160mm rotor
Axle Spec: Rear 142*12mm and front 100*12mm
Maximum tire clearance: 700x50C
Suitable Derailleur: Di2 And Mechanical Both
Weight: Frame 1200g +/-60g, Fork 450+/-15g, Seatpost 205+/-10g.
Frameset Including: Frame, Fork, Seatpost, Headset, Clamp, Thru Axle
If anyone has the advice or idea for this model, feel free to reflect to us.
Many thanks.
david
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Looks good. What's the best way to order one?
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Dear All:
Have a nice day.
In 2023, we released a brand new G058 gravel frameset. The geometry of this frame is very comfortable. Very scalable.
Now share some picture and information to this forum members.
Any interesting and order of this frame, feel free to contact us at any time.
info@lc2000.com.cn
For this model some inforamtion listed:
Material: T800 and T1000 Carbon Fiber
Model Number: SP-G058
Frame Size: XS/S/M/L/XL
Seatpost: 27.2x400mm, Compatible with 7 * 7 and 7 * 9mm rails
Headset Size: Top 1-1/2 (52mm) Down 1-1/2 (52mm)
Bottom Bracket: Press-fit BB386 or threaded T47
Cable: Full Hidden Internal Cable Routing, We can also provide semi-integrated routing version.
Brake: Flat Mount Disc Brake, 140 or 160mm rotor
Axle Spec: Rear 142*12mm and front 100*12mm
Maximum tire clearance: 700x50C
Suitable Derailleur: Di2 And Mechanical Both
Weight: Frame 1200g +/-60g, Fork 450+/-15g, Seatpost 205+/-10g.
Frameset Including: Frame, Fork, Seatpost, Headset, Clamp, Thru Axle
If anyone has the advice or idea for this model, feel free to reflect to us.
Many thanks.
david
Hey Dave I really like the frame but find the geo little confusing. It has short reach and high stack especially for a XL frame. I think that there has to be a mistake in a table on seat post angle in size xl. I tried in 2 different calculators and things don't add up if the seat angle is 72.5 degree. It only works and other measures are correct if the seat angle is 73.5. Please see the attached photos
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Hey Dave I really like the frame but find the geo little confusing. It has short reach and high stack especially for a XL frame. I think that there has to be a mistake in a table on seat post angle in size xl. I tried in 2 different calculators and things don't add up if the seat angle is 72.5 degree. It only works and other measures are correct if the seat angle is 73.5. Please see the attached photos
They're obviously reducing STA 0.25 degrees each size, so you're right. Besides it would make no sense to seriously slacken the STA on a gravel frame (IMO it makes little sense to slacken it at all from the small sizes).
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They're obviously reducing STA 0.25 degrees each size, so you're right. Besides it would make no sense to seriously slacken the STA on a gravel frame (IMO it makes little sense to slacken it at all from the small sizes).
I really like that the frame has short chainstays and slack headtube angle. Just don't understand why it has such a short reach and tt. I am 187 and looking at geo chart I would need size XL with 110 stem I think. The stack is reall high at this size. And size L with 556 TT would be to small. That would be a really short tube for fast gravel or singletracks
Seems strange to me. Or am I missing something?
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I really like that the frame has short chainstays and slack headtube angle. Just don't understand why it has such a short reach and tt. I am 187 and looking at geo chart I would need size XL with 110 stem I think. The stack is reall high at this size. And size L with 556 TT would be to small. That would be a really short tube for fast gravel or singletracks
Seems strange to me. Or am I missing something?
You're not missing anything, it's just not got a long TT and doesn't need one, since it clearly wasn't designed with that in mind (long reach). Indeed you can 'correct' it for your fit with a longer stem. But they should have used a longer fork offset to extend the FC and wheelbase since TT is relatively short, and also should have kept the same HTA / STA from the size XS all the way to XL. You can't correct that.
If they'd gone 70HTA and 74.5STA (as in the XS) with a 60mm fork offset, this thing would be great descending and on gnarly offroad. As is, FC and WB are way too short in L and XL IMO.
Peak Torque tangentially touched on this in his Yoeleo gravel bike review recently - complaining about toe overlap.
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Does anyone ordered and assembled this frame? It caught my eye due to 50 mm tire clearance and T47 BB.
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Does anyone ordered and assembled this frame? It caught my eye due to 50 mm tire clearance and T47 BB.
I ordere and assambled my frame from Spcycle official store on aliexpress at the end of april.
Overall, good quality for the price.
On frame and fork there is a lot of tyres cleareance, I use 40 mm tyres and I think 50 mm will fit without any issues.
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I ordere and assambled my frame from Spcycle official store on aliexpress at the end of april.
Overall, good quality for the price.
On frame and fork there is a lot of tyres cleareance, I use 40 mm tyres and I think 50 mm will fit without any issues.
Can you share picture of your build?
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Can you share picture of your build?
Mate just use search tab there are many builds
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Mate just use search tab there are many builds
I did before asking the question. There's a lot G056 and G068, but not much about G058.
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I just finished building mine !
I'm still waiting on building a new wheelset for this bike, so for now it's more setup for road rather than gravel but comes under 8kg.
I also haven't installed the integrated handlebar, I'm waiting on a bikefit before installing them.
Will send an update once I have both.
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Could you post some more pictures? Still deciding between this and G056, but I think geometry this would be a bit easier for me (Long legs, short torso, so the very high stack this seems to offer really interests me, because I'd actually like to ride a bike without all the spacers for once)
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I have this frame and bought it for similar fit reasons. It isn't THAT crazily high stack in reality. I replaced most of the many, many bolts on the frame with nylon blanks, but I do like the fact I can run Terra Nova 45s with full metal mudguards on it. There are some toe-overlap issues with this set up, but on this kind of bike it isn't really an issue in my book. Built up as in the photo it is 8kg on the nose. I would definitely recommend it.
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Could you post some more pictures? Still deciding between this and G056, but I think geometry this would be a bit easier for me (Long legs, short torso, so the very high stack this seems to offer really interests me, because I'd actually like to ride a bike without all the spacers for once)
I really recommend this website to compare Geomerty: https://www.bike-stats.de/en/geometrie_vergleich?Bike1=Spcycle_SP-G056_2022_M&Bike2=Spcycle_SP-G058_2023_M
The geometry of the G058 is slightly more relaxed and it seems it would be slightly better for someone with shorter torso as the reach is a bit shorter. But my main consideration was mostly tire clearance which is sligthly bigger on the G058.
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I'm pretty sure the STA is wrong on that page. It's marked at 71.25, but on the tables it's indicated at 72.5.
With 72.5 the XL of this one is well compared to the G056 in L, just about 12mm higher. A 71.25 STA would be very weird, esp seeing that suddenly increases the reach by quite a lot.
Here they did fill it in correct: https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=632176549533910022b2d1a0,64f75c069b8f1900202c25f8,
I've been comparing a lot of geometries, and seeing this one is super relaxed it's likely a good fit for me. Just checking in with SPCycle and Seraph (G048 they call it) now for prizes of some custom paint (Want a red metallic one). Is there actually any diff in which one builds it though? I imagine these types of frames would just largely be the same between who builds them?
I have this frame and bought it for similar fit reasons.
Any pictures? :D
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I've been comparing a lot of geometries, and seeing this one is super relaxed it's likely a good fit for me.
Me too - I have zero flexibility and a seperate road bike, so relaxed fit makes sense.
I have this frame and bought it for similar fit reasons. It isn't THAT crazily high stack in reality.
I see your photo has external handlebar routing while @hugo has set his up semi-integrated. I don't mind either actually, but is yours a slightly earlier puchase? Any thoughts?
@hugo looks like L-TWOO and 140mm brakes, yeah? Might ask for the 160mm adapter.
Which T47 bottom bracket did you buy?
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Yes the groupset on the bike is LTWOO GRT12, with 140mm rotors. The brakes are flatmount and they came with an adapter with one side that is 140mm and the other side that is 160mm if I remember correctly.
I originally bought the wrong T47 BB, it requires a T47 internal BB with shell width of 86.5mm. I bought this one: https://aliexpress.com/item/1005005997553550.html (model: B-T47-DUB(86.5MM)).
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Ordered mine through seraph with some custom red metallic and black, with matte finish. Will post once I got it in time.
Gonna build it up with GR820 that I already purchases (New secondhand of someone that swapped it for DI2).
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I just ordered mine without the integrated bar/stem - there is a port at the top of the fork leg if you are going semi-integrated.
As Hugo says it is T47i....I also originally bought the external. I'm using the Ztto one which is cheap and is almost dead after 6 months (3 wet months) in the UK. Considering going with the Hope option next.
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Hello,
I would like to order the GR048 from Tantan, which has the same geometry. What I don't quite understand: Is the frame from the same manufacturer and Tantan and Spcycle are just distributors OR do Tantan and Spcycle build it themselves but to the same specifications?
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Got some pictures of my painted frame. Looks good from the pictures. Its a metallic red + black with matte clearcoat.
@Reiko what is the T47i? I asked for a BB of Tantan that they're sending along with it, can you use a regular T47 (52mm outside) tool for it, or is there some special tool required?
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Question to owners: what do you think about the 75 mm BB drop of this frame? It's a bit bigger than usual. Do you have any problems with pedal strikes?
Some frames like Specialized Diverge have even larger BB drop (80 mm), but these are already known for being problematic, especially with slimmer tires.
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T47i as in T47 internal. Ztto sent me a tool with the BB. I did the BB a dis-service.... on dis-assembly the BB was still perfect, it was the ratchets in my rear hub that were gritty.
I've had no problems with the drop of the bike and pedal strikes, not sure if the drop is the same across all sizes (mine is a size small). There again, I'm not doing anything terribly gnarly on the bike, largely broken tarmac to grade 2 gravel. I basically ride it as a winter bike when it is too muddy / unpleasant to take my SPCycle hardtail 29er out.
Mine is currently in winter mode and I'm very glad it takes full metal mudguards, this was partly why I chose the frame.
Overall I'd still highly recommend it.
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Got some pictures of my painted frame. Looks good from the pictures. Its a metallic red + black with matte clearcoat.
@Reiko what is the T47i? I asked for a BB of Tantan that they're sending along with it, can you use a regular T47 (52mm outside) tool for it, or is there some special tool required?
looks very good - where did you finally purchase and how much was it?
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looks very good - where did you finally purchase and how much was it?
575 USD exc shipping. That also includes thru axles, BB, stem and the fender mount. Ordered from Seraph. We'll see on the quality once I receive it, don't expect too much esp from the random bits, but easy to change out. Mainly just want to be able to put the basics together to give it a test spin.
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Received frame. Really happy with the paint. Nothing out of the ordinary on first look. All random bits seem present in the order.
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I've been reading this tread, and I like this frame except for the weight. Why does it weight 1200+ grams. My Spcycle SP-M05 hardtail frame weighs less than 1000 grams. I love my SP-M05, and it has become my gravel bike equivalent and bikepacker. I ride this bike more than I do my gravel bike.
Edit: I am still waiting and searching for a Chinertown equivalent of the Salsa Cutthroat frame...
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Edit: I am still waiting and searching for a Chinertown equivalent of the Salsa Cutthroat frame...
Not to go off topic but....
What size Cutthroat would you ride? I've got a 58/large frame/fork I'd like to sell.
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Not to go off topic but....
What size Cutthroat would you ride? I've got a 58/large frame/fork I'd like to sell.
For me, I would prefer a 56. Thanks for letting me/us know.
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Yeah. I need a 56 also....
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I've been reading this tread, and I like this frame except for the weight. Why does it weight 1200+ grams. My Spcycle SP-M05 hardtail frame weighs less than 1000 grams. I love my SP-M05, and it has become my gravel bike equivalent and bikepacker. I ride this bike more than I do my gravel bike.
Edit: I am still waiting and searching for a Chinertown equivalent of the Salsa Cutthroat frame...
I have the SP-M05 and the GR058 and I think the weight difference is down to all the 'adventure' bolts and mounting rivets on the GR-058. I swapped all of mine (but for bidon and mudguard mounts) for plastic blanks and saved 100gr.
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Build it up and rode a bit with it, will post proper pictures in future.
Components are
Tantan GR048 with custom paint (Red metallic, with the tops of bars being black, and matte varnish)
9Velo GV45 2.0 (already had them some months)
GRX820 (with GRX400 brakes)
RXL SL gravel bars at 42CM
Kocevlo stem at 90mm
Silca bar tape (Knockoff? of some ali seller, easily nicest bar tape ive used though)
Redshift grips (Knockoff of same ali seller, surprisingly great)
For now its just a road setup, because I don't actually have gravel where I live, the idea of this bike was to swap some wheels when I want to do some small trips to places with gravel. I run corsa pro 32mm tubeless on the 9velo wheels for now, and will probably keep doing that for a good while.
For me the geometry is very nice. Its definitely relaxed but as someoone with a short torso, a lot heavier than I ought to be and a quite bad back it makes it really comfortable. It's actually a stiffer than my Defy (non-SL frame), and handling is more stable. Keep in mind I'm just used to that bike, and a 20yo Trek OCLV carbon bike. This bike is obviously heavy (didnt weigh it yet), but for me that really doesn't matter much. I'm a heavy guy, and live in a flat area. I also have no intention of going fast. Fork will be chopped once I figure out the height (probably one spacer less)
No obvious flaws on the build. One small annoyance is quite large unpainted areas around some of the bolts, but I don't care too much. The varnish is also pretty rough around the BB area, but its hidden away and I have no issue with it.
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Build it up and rode a bit with it, will post proper pictures in future.
Components are
Tantan GR048 with custom paint (Red metallic, with the tops of bars being black, and matte varnish)
9Velo GV45 2.0 (already had them some months)
GRX820 (with GRX400 brakes)
RXL SL gravel bars at 42CM
Kocevlo stem at 90mm
Silca bar tape (Knockoff? of some ali seller, easily nicest bar tape ive used though)
Redshift grips (Knockoff of same ali seller, surprisingly great)
For now its just a road setup, because I don't actually have gravel where I live, the idea of this bike was to swap some wheels when I want to do some small trips to places with gravel. I run corsa pro 32mm tubeless on the 9velo wheels for now, and will probably keep doing that for a good while.
For me the geometry is very nice. Its definitely relaxed but as someoone with a short torso, a lot heavier than I ought to be and a quite bad back it makes it really comfortable. It's actually a stiffer than my Defy (non-SL frame), and handling is more stable. Keep in mind I'm just used to that bike, and a 20yo Trek OCLV carbon bike. This bike is obviously heavy (didnt weigh it yet), but for me that really doesn't matter much. I'm a heavy guy, and live in a flat area. I also have no intention of going fast. Fork will be chopped once I figure out the height (probably one spacer less)
No obvious flaws on the build. One small annoyance is quite large unpainted areas around some of the bolts, but I don't care too much. The varnish is also pretty rough around the BB area, but its hidden away and I have no issue with it.
How was your experience with TanTan?
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How was your experience with TanTan?
Very good. Emails were good and clear, could get proper confirmation of everything. I got good pictures of different paint, and got a picture they made to check if they understood what i wanted. Ofcourse with my sample size of 1 take what I say with a grain of salt. You ofcourse do need to be a bit patient for paint (Although everything was according to mentioned schedule), but once the bike got painted they send me an email (Which they don't need to do, but its nice to get an update). The tracking of shipping in my case was pointless, but it's not up to them. It was "stuck" in Asia for a week and a half according to tracking, when suddenly I had the courier at the door. Packaging was solid of what I'd expect (All parts individually packaged in lots of foam, and a solid box)
I tried spcycle on aliexpress, but when I asked for paint I got no more response.
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I ordered the frame, handlebar and seatpost. Feeling a bit nervous about it, but oh well!
Was planning to go with a GEX long cage groupset, Evosid 40t crankset (maybe 42t), and ZTTO 10-50t cassette XD.
Then a set of Elite ENT which are their basic model.
Other finishing hardware from aliexpress (bartape, Garmin mount).
Any comments would be appreciated. Bike will be general purpose gravel and bikepacking.
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I have this frame with 1x11 transmission and 38t chainring; someone know if in 1x configuration the 40t chianring is ok or will be too close to the frame? in my bike with 38t there is little space between chainring and frame.
thanks
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Somewhat better pictures. Got sick multiple time, so rode less than I wanted to, but the times I did ride I'm very happy with it. It's a an upright position, which for my non-existent flexibility and general body ratio is great.
Didn't get around to chopping the steerer tube yet. Put some gravel tires on my aluminium wheels. Did have issues couple times with seat rails slipping, put them tighter now (send an email to get info on all torque specs), which seems solved now. The one downside with this double bolt one is that the front bolt I can't actually access with my closed saddle.
At this point I'm very happy, but probably should've gotten a bit crazier with paint scheme.