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Chinese Carbon Road Bikes => Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components => Topic started by: daniel87 on August 29, 2023, 02:16:04 PM
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Hello,
I‘m getting a lot of information here. Thank you very much for that. I'm going to build a rimbreak frame.
But it's really hard to find a frame that meets the conditions I want. That's why I need your help
The conditions I look for for the frame are as follows.
1. Aero Model
2. Direct Mount Brake System
3. I want a frame with a direct mount located in sitstay. (Can people who have tried the version in chainstay tell me their experiences?)
4. I want a convenient cable routing because I use mechanical red.
5. I want the tire clearance to be above 28C.
6.Zero Offset Seatpost possible.
This is an option and it would be perfect if the frame is BSA BB applied.
Thank you in advance!
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Rim brakes
Tyre clearance over 28mm
Pick one
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Rim Brie is the most important :)
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Probably either a Velobuild VBR 218 (Dogma clone) or, if you can find one second hand, the previous generation Merida Reacto (2018-2020).
Pretty sure both fit all criteria except the Velobuild uses fully internal routing, and the Reacto isn't BSA (uses BB386) but it uses routing that's much better for mechanical shifting.
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I got the VB-R218 in the rim brake version and I can confirm that the frame and brakes (Campagnolo Record calipers) easily clear 28c tires on wide rims (22mm internal width). The tires measure 29.3mm. I could probably put 30c tires in there. But that's where it ends unless you wanna risk the rear tire rubbing on the frame.
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1. Aero Model - there's a lot that fit this, check out yishun
2. Direct Mount Brake System - yes lots of rim options
3. I want a frame with a direct mount located in sitstay. (Can people who have tried the version in chainstay tell me their experiences?) - chainstay braking is fine it's just that it tends to get full of mud.
4. I want a convenient cable routing because I use mechanical red. Any frame for the most part will be fine.
5. I want the tire clearance to be above 28C. Unlikely - most brake calipers have a max of 28
6.Zero Offset Seatpost possible.
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Probably either a Velobuild VBR 218 (Dogma clone) or, if you can find one second hand, the previous generation Merida Reacto (2018-2020).
Pretty sure both fit all criteria except the Velobuild uses fully internal routing, and the Reacto isn't BSA (uses BB386) but it uses routing that's much better for mechanical shifting.
Thank you i will check Reacto too
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I got the VB-R218 in the rim brake version and I can confirm that the frame and brakes (Campagnolo Record calipers) easily clear 28c tires on wide rims (22mm internal width). The tires measure 29.3mm. I could probably put 30c tires in there. But that's where it ends unless you wanna risk the rear tire rubbing on the frame.
Thank you i will check it too
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1. Aero Model - there's a lot that fit this, check out yishun
2. Direct Mount Brake System - yes lots of rim options
3. I want a frame with a direct mount located in sitstay. (Can people who have tried the version in chainstay tell me their experiences?) - chainstay braking is fine it's just that it tends to get full of mud.
4. I want a convenient cable routing because I use mechanical red. Any frame for the most part will be fine.
5. I want the tire clearance to be above 28C. Unlikely - most brake calipers have a max of 28
6.Zero Offset Seatpost possible.
Yes i wrote Yishun too but they didnt reply me
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1. Aero Model
2. Direct Mount Brake System
3. I want a frame with a direct mount located in sitstay. (Can people who have tried the version in chainstay tell me their experiences?)
4. I want a convenient cable routing because I use mechanical red.
5. I want the tire clearance to be above 28C.
6.Zero Offset Seatpost possible.
This is an option and it would be perfect if the frame is BSA BB applied.
That is pretty much my shopping list, except tyre clearance for 28mm if possible, would prefer slightly offset seat post and pressfit BB.
Currently looking on the second hand market, Merida Reactos are rather thin on the ground ATM, a 2017 Scott Foil RC frame was too big. Looks like it will be a 2016-17 Giant Propel SL (the model with ISP) there are a few around and some are cheap, just need the right length ISP.
Why a 5 year old 2nd hand mainstream frame instead of new chinese frame - value for money (both will cost me roughly the same, 2nd hand maybe less) and knowing what I am getting, the Giant Propel SL with be stiff in the right places for me a VB-R218 I don't know.
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That is pretty much my shopping list, except tyre clearance for 28mm if possible, would prefer slightly offset seat post and pressfit BB.
Currently looking on the second hand market, Merida Reactos are rather thin on the ground ATM, a 2017 Scott Foil RC frame was too big. Looks like it will be a 2016-17 Giant Propel SL (the model with ISP) there are a few around and some are cheap, just need the right length ISP.
Why a 5 year old 2nd hand mainstream frame instead of new chinese frame - value for money (both will cost me roughly the same, 2nd hand maybe less) and knowing what I am getting, the Giant Propel SL with be stiff in the right places for me a VB-R218 I don't know.
Yes i look a second hand fram too.
1. but here in Germany they are too much expensive. Many Peoples said "2016 Aeroad Frameset is 1800€" wtf!
2. I can't believe the Condition of 2. Hand Frames.
That's why i wanna build Chinese Frame.
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That's why i wanna build Chinese Frame.
That is probably the difference, I have already built a Chinese frame a DengFu FM066SL ten years ago.
I am looking for rim brake aero frame to last a few years. So I am looking at the top end, hence Giant Propel SL, Scott Foil RC etc.
An Aeroad would work, but they are rare (and expensive) in Australia.
Prices locally:
2015 Merida Reacto 7000 frame with brakes 300EUR (would like the next model)
Cheap Chinese rim brake aero frame + shipping and taxes 450EUR
2017 Scott Foil frame 600EUR (XL I need M/L)
Velobuild VB-R218 with integrated handlebar + shipping and taxes 660EUR
2017 Giant Propel SL complete bike with Ultegra + training wheels 900EUR (ISP cut 20mm short for me)
On my search I am finding out most people do not ride 10,000+km a year ;-) Most do a lot less and rarely in the rain. I can spot crash damage, so will avoid frames/bikes that have been in crashes (unlike the ones I already own)
Still buying second hand has it risks as does buying a Chinese frame, particularly the cheaper ones.
For me I see more value buying a five year old premium rim braked aero frame that has probably done less than 10,000km than a new frame from China.
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That is probably the difference, I have already built a Chinese frame a DengFu FM066SL ten years ago.
I am looking for rim brake aero frame to last a few years. So I am looking at the top end, hence Giant Propel SL, Scott Foil RC etc.
An Aeroad would work, but they are rare (and expensive) in Australia.
Prices locally:
2015 Merida Reacto 7000 frame with brakes 300EUR (would like the next model)
Cheap Chinese rim brake aero frame + shipping and taxes 450EUR
2017 Scott Foil frame 600EUR (XL I need M/L)
Velobuild VB-R218 with integrated handlebar + shipping and taxes 660EUR
2017 Giant Propel SL complete bike with Ultegra + training wheels 900EUR (ISP cut 20mm short for me)
On my search I am finding out most people do not ride 10,000+km a year ;-) Most do a lot less and rarely in the rain. I can spot crash damage, so will avoid frames/bikes that have been in crashes (unlike the ones I already own)
Still buying second hand has it risks as does buying a Chinese frame, particularly the cheaper ones.
For me I see more value buying a five year old premium rim braked aero frame that has probably done less than 10,000km than a new frame from China.
Aww the Prices are cool! When the Prices are here like that, i would like to buy 2. Hand Frame too. We have a difference Situation. It is really unfortunately for me
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Check out the velobuild options or the LightCarbon options. Yishun and lightcarboon have some sort of relationship but LC seems to be much more responsive. I usually hear back in a day at most unless its the weekend. the light carbon LCR006-V meets all of your requirements.
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Check out the velobuild options or the LightCarbon options. Yishun and lightcarboon have some sort of relationship but LC seems to be much more responsive. I usually hear back in a day at most unless its the weekend. the light carbon LCR006-V meets all of your requirements.
Yes you are right. That Fram is perfect ,so i did write E-Mail yesterday for LCR006-V but Wendy said MOQ is 100 set.
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That is probably the difference, I have already built a Chinese frame a DengFu FM066SL ten years ago.
I am looking for rim brake aero frame to last a few years. So I am looking at the top end, hence Giant Propel SL, Scott Foil RC etc.
An Aeroad would work, but they are rare (and expensive) in Australia.
Prices locally:
2015 Merida Reacto 7000 frame with brakes 300EUR (would like the next model)
Cheap Chinese rim brake aero frame + shipping and taxes 450EUR
2017 Scott Foil frame 600EUR (XL I need M/L)
Velobuild VB-R218 with integrated handlebar + shipping and taxes 660EUR
2017 Giant Propel SL complete bike with Ultegra + training wheels 900EUR (ISP cut 20mm short for me)
On my search I am finding out most people do not ride 10,000+km a year ;-) Most do a lot less and rarely in the rain. I can spot crash damage, so will avoid frames/bikes that have been in crashes (unlike the ones I already own)
Still buying second hand has it risks as does buying a Chinese frame, particularly the cheaper ones.
For me I see more value buying a five year old premium rim braked aero frame that has probably done less than 10,000km than a new frame from China.
Should i ask you,how you can spot crash damage?
I can't tell if it's just paint peeling off or cracks in the carbon.
Do you have any tips when looking at used carbon frames?
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That is probably the difference, I have already built a Chinese frame a DengFu FM066SL ten years ago.
I am looking for rim brake aero frame to last a few years. So I am looking at the top end, hence Giant Propel SL, Scott Foil RC etc.
An Aeroad would work, but they are rare (and expensive) in Australia.
Prices locally:
2015 Merida Reacto 7000 frame with brakes 300EUR (would like the next model)
Cheap Chinese rim brake aero frame + shipping and taxes 450EUR
2017 Scott Foil frame 600EUR (XL I need M/L)
Velobuild VB-R218 with integrated handlebar + shipping and taxes 660EUR
2017 Giant Propel SL complete bike with Ultegra + training wheels 900EUR (ISP cut 20mm short for me)
On my search I am finding out most people do not ride 10,000+km a year ;-) Most do a lot less and rarely in the rain. I can spot crash damage, so will avoid frames/bikes that have been in crashes (unlike the ones I already own)
Still buying second hand has it risks as does buying a Chinese frame, particularly the cheaper ones.
For me I see more value buying a five year old premium rim braked aero frame that has probably done less than 10,000km than a new frame from China.
The giant TCR's are really cheap here second hand, i've seen 3~ year old frame go for $500 aud.
I'm almost tempted to get one with an ISP and spend the money saved on a premium western one piece handlebar.
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The giant TCR's are really cheap here second hand, i've seen 3~ year old frame go for $500 aud.
I'm almost tempted to get one with an ISP and spend the money saved on a premium western one piece handlebar.
I would like to live in Australia for Ride :)
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Yes you are right. That Fram is perfect ,so i did write E-Mail yesterday for LCR006-V but Wendy said MOQ is 100 set.
You could ask if she knows of a reseller that has them. Also the LCR014 frame is very close. Brakes are under the chainstays but that may be a no MOQ frame.
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Velobuild also has the 218 with brakes on the seat stays.
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You could ask if she knows of a reseller that has them. Also the LCR014 frame is very close. Brakes are under the chainstays but that may be a no MOQ frame.
It is great Idea. now LCRXS-V, LTK 268-V and SC-R48V(This is not Aero Frame) are in my list.
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Velobuild also has the 218 with brakes on the seat stays.
Thank you for recommendation but it looks copy of Dogma.
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Has anyone heared this company "Ornan" before?
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Has anyone heared this Marke "Ornan" before?
Somewhat unintentionally funny name for the German market-Does one O(r)nanieren while riding this brand?
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Should i ask you,how you can spot crash damage?
I can't tell if it's just paint peeling off or cracks in the carbon.
Do you have any tips when looking at used carbon frames?
I would avoid anything with peeling paint, might no be a crack but why take a risk. You want a decent frame, not one with damaged paint.
I would looking at the bike to see if it has been crashed, tell tale signs, badly grazed:
QR skewers, handlebars (pop the end caps off and feel for sharp edges), levers, hoods, saddle
Some saddles have marks from resting against objects, but sliding down the road will rip a chunk out of a saddle.
on a frame look for grazes on the forks, chain stays and seat stays.
An unscrupulous seller, might replace the parts, the could also patch any damage and get it properly resprayed (but if they go to that level, the repair is probably very good and the frame stronger than before and a few grams heavier). If you notice a respray avoid.
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Thank you for recommendation but it looks copy of Dogma.
LCROX-V and LCRXS-V now no MOQ, one set is ok, in special price.