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Chinese Carbon Road Bikes => Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components => Topic started by: abdbeg on October 30, 2023, 06:36:40 AM
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I'm looking to buy this bike, recently they announced it with starting price of ~2000$ for 105 12 speed mechanical groupset, extremely good price for such beautiful looking frame
(http://c2.biketo.com/d/file/product/bikes/news/2023-10-26/e78eaf0d098939defa66ed65b67fbdb3.jpg)
Also more info here: https://www.biketo.com/product/52274.html?all=1 (https://www.biketo.com/product/52274.html?all=1)
The weight is about 1300g for standard and 1100g for Plume (more expensive version), plus they have option for lighter and thinner fork (that is lighter for about 80 grams):
(http://c2.biketo.com/d/file/product/bikes/news/2023-10-26/8c5cfc65256787ee9942878e550c00cb.jpg)
There are seatpost options for 0 and 15mm offset:
(https://img001.prntscr.com/file/img001/NPlSF_FLQ9qYbGqoAUyhew.png)
On weightweenies forum one folks said that it's very stiff and harsh compared to SL8: https://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=174075 (https://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=174075)
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I’m interested in this bike as well. Great spec at that price (for the mech 12sp 105). I want a stiff aero bike for crits that doesn’t break the bank. So I’m not worried about it being called harsh. Interested to hear how to order.
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Looks similar but not identical to the Storck Aerfast 4
https://www.storck-bikes.com/en/road/aero-racer/aerfast-4-pro-disc
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If I recall correctly, it’s the Cube factory that makes these. Doesn’t look like their aero bike though. Wonder if the new Cube will look like this.
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I'm interested. While I don't love the fork, it's nice to finally see some new designs. The SL7 one-bike-to-rule trend is slowly fading and people want aero again. Would make for some interesting YouTube content if they can figure out their western world distribution.
-Stiff
-Comfortable
-Affordable
Pick two, but you can't have all three
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A Chinese company finally offering two different seatposts. I never understood why those SL7 clone makers offered just one post with setback dialed in.
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I'm interested. While I don't love the fork, it's nice to finally see some new designs. The SL7 one-bike-to-rule trend is slowly fading and people want aero again. Would make for some interesting YouTube content if they can figure out their western world distribution.
-Stiff
-Comfortable
-Affordable
Pick two, but you can't have all three
I think they mostly make it for China, haven't seen any abroad dealers, but it's not.a problem since there are many forwarder companies who can send you the bike.
It's already available on taobao:https://m.tb.cn/h.57hgVjR?tk=vhC8WX3fQ3w (https://m.tb.cn/h.57hgVjR?tk=vhC8WX3fQ3w)
BTW, I felt in love with this chameleon color, seems to resemble Foil RC20:
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In general this is a pretty exciting frame Given the profiles of the tubes, the weights aren't too bad either.
The level of design detail from having multiple forks to the head tube and handlebar design is very impressive.
That said for a bike with aero intentions like this, I would like to see some evidence of aero development. I've been looking for it, but havent seen it yet.
As mentioned, there is also an active thread on this bike over at Weight Weenies.
FYI, for what its worth the complete Bross bikes are currently listed as "not shippable overseas" on Taobao.
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For the US market, the brand name reminds me of B(ob)Ross so they need a colorway with happy trees and clouds.
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One of the bloggers that was on the even said this bike is new Cube C:68
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Any word about getting this bike in the west? Or even the Cube version. I’d love to pick one up for crits.
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The new website should be launch at the end of week :
Ciclisti.cc
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Are you sure? Because according to them, they should've launced like 3 times since april
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Are you sure? Because according to them, they should've launced like 3 times since april
They told me this yesterday. They have to delay because of some reasons.
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I'll believe it when I see it but also launching at the end of the week when everyone will be gone for the weeken is bad practice because it leaves you with less man power for a few days and if issues arrive youre shit outta luck
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yeah
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yeah
Lol. One more.
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Lol. One more.
One more week?
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I'm just imagining ordering a frame from them, and actually believing they will fulfill my order in the advertised time frame without delays.
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Luckily I've seen the new van rysel and almost completely lost interest in the bross
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Luckily I've seen the new van rysel and almost completely lost interest in the bross
Do you mean the FCR ?
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yes
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It looks amazing. I don't know when It will be available and at which price.
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Agreed the FCR looks amazing. I expect it will be significantly more expensive than the prices that were at least advertised for the Bross...
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But you may actually be able to buy the FCR at some point…Bross has been delayed how many times now?
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well the problem isn't on Bross' end, just the distributor.
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if I may contribute to you guys wanting this Bike/Frameset, it has been available in the UAE from the past 2-4 months;
https://www.uaecycle.com/search?q=bross*%20AND%20product_type:*&type=product
You may want to buy this, this store is legit and is based in Dubai, UAE.
Good looking bike indeed!
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yeah, I've seen this, at the end of the day, not really interested in paying this much and then getting a handlebar that will be useless to me
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if I may contribute to you guys wanting this Bike/Frameset, it has been available in the UAE from the past 2-4 months;
https://www.uaecycle.com/search?q=bross*%20AND%20product_type:*&type=product
You may want to buy this, this store is legit and is based in Dubai, UAE.
Good looking bike indeed!
Do they have an option to ship tax free to EU?
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oh so you have moved on to another project dude? which bike are you on to right now?
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Anyone riding these yet ?
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Plenty of people in Asia
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Do you mean the FCR ?
FCR ?
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FCR ?
The new Van Rysel FCR (Décathlon).
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Bross seem to be working on a new website with a section for "dealers" 47.96.121.208/en (http://47.96.121.208). I wouldn't read too much into it or get my hopes up.
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I think the new Canyon CFL SX with Sram Rival Axs will kill most of our aero chinese combinations:
we cannot do better with 4.300€
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not interested in a completely proprietary cockpit
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not interested in a completely proprietary cockpit
This problem also exists for all propriatary seatposts.
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Not even in the same ballpark of restrictiveness. A seatpost is a seatpost. Not really much you can do with it. But with a proprietary cockpit If they don't have the stem length I need the bike is useless to me from the start. If the handlebar options don't fit me the bike is useless to me.
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My comment was not aimed to compare a full-customizable bike with Canyon.
I am just saying that building a chinese bike spending more than 1K Usd or Euro just for the frame, could cost more than buying a well-equipped Canyon CF SLX.
Bross frame is one of these cases, imho.
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Any credence to this frame actually offering up more aerodynamic benefits than a traditional aero frame? It reminds me of the Scott Foil RC Pro.
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what do you consider a traditional aero frame? Cause this is what a traditional aero frame would be in my eyes. And the only really distinct similarity with the foil rc is a wide fork that forms a straight line with the headtube to the headset in a side-on silhuette. Just regular aero frames otherwise.
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Do they have an option to ship tax free to EU?
plume Frameset
https://www.uaecycle.com/products/bross-zenith-plume-frameset?variant=45556063142106
(https://www.uaecycle.com/products/bross-zenith-plume-frameset?variant=45556063142106)
With 105 di2 GS
https://www.uaecycle.com/products/bross-zenith-6i-105-di2-carbon-road-bike?variant=44507055554778 (https://www.uaecycle.com/products/bross-zenith-6i-105-di2-carbon-road-bike?variant=44507055554778)
With 105 12 Speed Mech GS
https://www.uaecycle.com/products/bross-zenith-3-r7120-carbon-road-bike?variant=44471303340250 (https://www.uaecycle.com/products/bross-zenith-3-r7120-carbon-road-bike?variant=44471303340250)
You may want to drop them an email or WhatsApp for your concerns bro, a legit store here in Dubai, where I shop for affordable cycling products.
This Bross Bike kinda reminds me of the Scott Foil, isn't it?
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plume Frameset
https://www.uaecycle.com/products/bross-zenith-plume-frameset?variant=45556063142106
(https://www.uaecycle.com/products/bross-zenith-plume-frameset?variant=45556063142106)
I love how it "integrates" T1000. Given the frame weight, and that someone here posted a SPCycle R065 in Large at 1097g, must be 2 small bits og T1000 and the rest of that "Plume" (means feather) frame must be T700, or a f*** ton of T800. Either way, value wise, at 2k eur, the value isn't there.
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plume Frameset
https://www.uaecycle.com/products/bross-zenith-plume-frameset?variant=45556063142106
(https://www.uaecycle.com/products/bross-zenith-plume-frameset?variant=45556063142106)
With 105 di2 GS
https://www.uaecycle.com/products/bross-zenith-6i-105-di2-carbon-road-bike?variant=44507055554778 (https://www.uaecycle.com/products/bross-zenith-6i-105-di2-carbon-road-bike?variant=44507055554778)
With 105 12 Speed Mech GS
https://www.uaecycle.com/products/bross-zenith-3-r7120-carbon-road-bike?variant=44471303340250 (https://www.uaecycle.com/products/bross-zenith-3-r7120-carbon-road-bike?variant=44471303340250)
You may want to drop them an email or WhatsApp for your concerns bro, a legit store here in Dubai, where I shop for affordable cycling products.
This Bross Bike kinda reminds me of the Scott Foil, isn't it?
Wait.. So it's cheaper to buy it with Shimano 105 12s and wheels, than getting just the frame set?
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Wait.. So it's cheaper to buy it with Shimano 105 12s and wheels, than getting just the frame set?
From what I understood, the version with 105 have "regular" version of the frameset, and not the plume version
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Wait.. So it's cheaper to buy it with Shimano 105 12s and wheels, than getting just the frame set?
The frame is Zenith PLUME but only Zenith with the groupset.
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Ah. Thank you guys.
So the Plume version is a bit lighter (and stiffer?)?
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Wait.. So it's cheaper to buy it with Shimano 105 12s and wheels, than getting just the frame set?
IKR?! I myself am confused, I will try to reach out to the store if the pricing that is shown is an error or what's really the dealio why the frame costs like an arm and a leg.
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Ah. Thank you guys.
So the Plume version is a bit lighter (and stiffer?)?
Yes, lighter and stiffer.
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Bross just unveiled a new aero-all-rounder version of their Vagabond model
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DAZ1whzSJf0/ (https://www.instagram.com/reel/DAZ1whzSJf0/)
I think it's funny that this is their all-rounder because it would be a full on aero bike model for a lot of brands but because the Zenith has such beefy tube shapes this gets the sort of middle ground spot in their lineup.
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Yeah it looks ok, but distrubution outside asia is probably gonna take at least until next year
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Bross just unveiled a new aero-all-rounder version of their Vagabond model
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DAZ1whzSJf0/ (https://www.instagram.com/reel/DAZ1whzSJf0/)
I think it's funny that this is their all-rounder because it would be a full on aero bike model for a lot of brands but because the Zenith has such beefy tube shapes this gets the sort of middle ground spot in their lineup.
I really like the looks of this one. I would ride it NGL ... Would just repaint the logo as it's ugly lol
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The website is online (not only Bross brand) :
https://www.ciclisti.cc/
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The website is online (not only Bross brand) :
https://www.ciclisti.cc/
The Bross zenith plume is pretty hilarious. Plume is feather in french. Yet... 1120-1140g (size M - metal parts incl.). That's 30g less than my LT268, also an aero bike, made w T800.
So, granted, the bross has tubes that are shaped more, but it's also several years younger than the LT.
So i would bet that the claimed T1100 carbon is really to sound cool. It's probably 95% T800 & 5% more.
Also, the narrowest bars are 40cm. Pretty ancient for an aero bike...
All that non sense for eur2.7k. Lol.
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The Bross zenith plume is pretty hilarious. Plume is feather in french. Yet... 1120-1140g (size M - metal parts incl.). That's 30g less than my LT268, also an aero bike, made w T800.
So, granted, the bross has tubes that are shaped more, but it's also several years younger than the LT.
So i would bet that the claimed T1100 carbon is really to sound cool. It's probably 95% T800 & 5% more.
Also, the narrowest bars are 40cm. Pretty ancient for an aero bike...
All that non sense for eur2.7k. Lol.
You can customize your handlebar and choose 380 mm.
But yes, I totally lost my interest in this frame.