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Chinese Carbon Road Bikes => Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components => Topic started by: Eddy_Twerckx on April 29, 2024, 07:34:17 AM
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Seka just released their new frameset and it looks pretty good. Kind of poised as an endurance bike judging by the geo numbers but not super relaxed. Weight is really nice and looks decently aero. There’s a big discussion about it over on WeightWeenies (along with the usual bickering). Interested to hear what people here think. It’s not listed on the Seka website yet though.
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That thread over on WW is a mess. I think its an interesting idea. Definitely an endurance bike except for the "R" sizes which are more inline with current race bikes.
What it seems to show is that Seka has produced a competitive bike with the latest gen of bikes. Is it any more or less competitive than the similar weight Elilee Blize? Not really by what is shown. Does Seka make a better bike? Maybe? They made a lot of noise about the RDC line using the same factory as Factor, but that's pretty meaningless. The price point is fun but not that convincing. I would like to see these brands do more. Elilee could do bundles with their cranks and i would like to see these brands make their own super light stems in addition to their bar.
Its cool there are now Chinese brands looking to compete internationally with their products and mix it up with the top names.
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That thread was a mess because folks have become too comfortable with personal attacks, rude comments, and low value replies. A trend I've also seen grow on this forum in the past year, but we all are free to choose where we spend our time online. No harm no foul.
I'm looking forward to seeing how this SEKA Spear release plays out. Some of the larger hurdles will be availability to the western world, fulfillment times, and post-sales customer support. Among whether or not the frame will actually be any good.
Currently I'm in the market for an SL8, but now I'm just gonna wait until the Spear, Tavelo Arow, and Bross Zenith get launched. $1500 and up Chinese frames can be a hard sell for some people, but I do think there is some value there if packaged correctly.
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At first glance, their WindEye seatstays seem like a marketing gimmick. However, according to SEKA, they should also have practical benefits (aero + comfort). Whether this is also reality is the question. Anyway, I'm starting to like it, and in an age where most bikes look almost identical, it seems like a good and thoughtful move from a business perspective. At the same time, it's interesting that they decided to go the "wide fork" route. I'd honestly like to see the frame in the real world in that "raw carbon" design. However, the question is when and for how much the frame will be available in Europe and the US.
By the way, I've written up what we know about the SEKA Spear so far here: https://www.cyclistshub.com/seka-introduces-spear/ (https://www.cyclistshub.com/seka-introduces-spear/).
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I tried to read the WW thread, all 7 pages of it. That was painful. And sad. I think 4 posts were useful, the rest being people with account names like "TobinHatesYou" bickering like old Greek women at the market for a grand total of zero value add.
I have mixed feelings about expensive Chinese frames, and big reservation around the seat stays, & would rather buy the same frame for less and just painted black, BUT the weight & aero claims really are compelling. It does look like great attention to detail, given the well thought out accessories. At some point it can't all be just marketing, right?
I also find it telling that they seemingly are much more focused on the Asian market than the West. If that's really the case, then it's really an interesting evolution of the road bike market.
And kudos to them for releasing so many sizes, making all these moulds and running inventory on everything is quite a task.
I would fit on a Medium myself, it's a tad lower than my LT268, so that clearly isn't an endurance geometry, but not too aggressive either.
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Yea, I had the same reaction as you guys to that thread. Maybe one useful post for every 10 petty arguments about various things.
Just looking at the bike itself, it looks well made. I can't say I have any experience with Seka but the details look great and it's a really nice finishing kit they're including. I am always wary about aero claims and honestly don't really put much weight into them after seeing that Cade video where there was like 5W between the Foil and Addict in real world riding conditions. Arguing over 1-2W in test conditions just seems silly. But the weight is nice if true.
My big question is the price. I know it's not an open mold frame but it's still a tough ask for what they're charging (I think around $2,000 USD). Like I said, I'm not experienced with Seka but I think they're going to have a hard time selling them in the US for that price without years of quality behind them. This isn't saying they're not quality, more that they don't have the well known name. Winspace charges similar and has a pretty good following after years of putting out quality bikes. But even still, they are a tough sell to a lot of people who don't want to spend $1,500 on a Chinese frame. I think Bross is in the same boat, albeit they can throw the Cube name around to show they make quality bikes.
Either way, I'm interested to hear how it rides. The integrated cockpit looks really nice and I'd almost be tempted to pick one up for a different bike if the price is right. Maybe not the best name (I know it's a sword but it's still going to have a connotation that's not great) but the size options are great.
Also, anybody else getting Red Bull vibes from the special edition paint job?
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The bross Zenith is not as expansive as Winspace :
https://www.uaecycle.com/products/bross-zenith-6i-105-di2-carbon-road-bike?variant=44507055194330
Although, I don't know if this site is legit.
Seka will have a hard time too in Europe to sell this frame without after sale support behind.
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Bross Zenith full bike with 105di2 groupset is 19000rmb in china.
But there is another frame that is very interesting:
The Kung Mach which is available for 10000rmb frame only.
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The bross Zenith is not as expansive as Winspace :
https://www.uaecycle.com/products/bross-zenith-6i-105-di2-carbon-road-bike?variant=44507055194330
Although, I don't know if this site is legit.
Seka will have a hard time too in Europe to sell this frame without after sale support behind.
Uaecycle is legit, but bross will have their own distribution in a matter of weeks.
Makes perfect sense foreign markets arent a huge priority, the chinese market is booming
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IDK there was a lot of mod cleanup on that WW thread, so its hard to look at it now and see who is really at fault.
One thing I find interesting between Elilee, Seka, and Bross is the insistence that the geometries are more friendly to Asian people. As a result they claim to have made the bikes taller and with less reach. I question if that actually makes sense if the the thesis is that legs are shorter and torsos are longer. If that were the case a rider with the same back and arm angles should have a lower seat height, lower stack and a longer reach. Unfortunately Seka's race geometry is only equivalent to a Tarmac geo. Realistically, it seems like these brands are largely making endurance bikes that look like race bikes, which is probably a good commercial decision for them.
As someone who also has shorter legs and a longer torso, a size 49 SL7 was cramped with weird weight distribution while a size 52 fits with the 110 -12 stem but barely as it bordered on too long and too high with the available bars for that bike. In hindsight a narrow bar like the Aerocoach Ornix + a 120mm or even 130mm stem would have probably fixed it but those weren't available then. This is why my road bike is currently a self designed Ti thing made by XACD.
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Most WW threads with exception of members' personal WW build threads are full of hostile, rude and vile comments. Almost every thread on there about a new frame/bike eventually has mod intervention, warnings sent to members and finally deletion of useless comments. Lot of people don't seem to accept that others can have different opinions, a trend that's being seen here too as the forum size increases.
With that said, I didn't know S E K A was short for "Sage", "Exceed", "Keep", "Artist". May be it is more meaningful in Chinese.
That frame sure looks interesting but with largest size topping out at equivalent L/56 in western brands, most tall-ish (6'1+) people are going to have to skip it from consideration.
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From a relative value basis, in Europe, the Look 785 Huez Frameset is 2.5k EUR. w/o a seatpost (standard size, so very cheap to source on AliX), and ditto on bars (i'm running Airwold T1000 cockpit from Alix and that's c.100 EUR shipped. So, call it 2.6k EUR. 2k USD = 1.9k EUR, not sure about shipping. (The 795 BladeRS is expensive AF so not using it as a comparison).
And a Time ADHX is 3k EUR.
Bearing in mind that these are headline prices, you can find a frame for less if you hunt around, but you may not get your dream colour.
Now, if you're going to spend 2k on a chinese frame in Europe with questionable / non existent dealer support, should you spend the extra money to get a Look or a Time? I think I would. But if you can't find a deal on these French frames, then 700-1000 eur is a material difference. Is it worth it? Time frames are really supposed to be the pinnacle of composites manufacturing, i'd really love to ride one. They're made in Slovakia, which is not China, for a change. And Look also knows a thing or two about carbon bikes.
Given secondary market prices in Europe atm, idk how well these Seka frames are going to sell. There are a lot of great bikes available, with proven history, shop support, and so on.
Interesting market dynamics.
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Hi,
I'm 1,82m, do you recommend size L or LR?
Or some other size incl. handlebar size,
BR
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From a relative value basis, in Europe, the Look 785 Huez Frameset is 2.5k EUR. w/o a seatpost (standard size, so very cheap to source on AliX), and ditto on bars (i'm running Airwold T1000 cockpit from Alix and that's c.100 EUR shipped. So, call it 2.6k EUR. 2k USD = 1.9k EUR, not sure about shipping. (The 795 BladeRS is expensive AF so not using it as a comparison).
And a Time ADHX is 3k EUR.
Bearing in mind that these are headline prices, you can find a frame for less if you hunt around, but you may not get your dream colour.
Now, if you're going to spend 2k on a chinese frame in Europe with questionable / non existent dealer support, should you spend the extra money to get a Look or a Time? I think I would. But if you can't find a deal on these French frames, then 700-1000 eur is a material difference. Is it worth it? Time frames are really supposed to be the pinnacle of composites manufacturing, i'd really love to ride one. They're made in Slovakia, which is not China, for a change. And Look also knows a thing or two about carbon bikes.
Given secondary market prices in Europe atm, idk how well these Seka frames are going to sell. There are a lot of great bikes available, with proven history, shop support, and so on.
Interesting market dynamics.
depends what you value, some punters don't care about anything but looks and that it's works. Others also value performance and won't be interested in a time or look. Seka has an exceptional track record for quality with the exceed and look has had their stinkers too. Let's not act like china can't make good products if they want to, composites engineering isn't photolithography.
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some punters don't care about anything but looks and that it's works. Others also value performance and won't be interested in a time or look.
Are you implying if someone is seeking performance and not just looks, then they will ignore Time or Look frames? As in because they don't perform well, just look pretty? :-X That has to be one of the most ridiculous if not the most ridiculous thing this forum has produced. Sure we are on a forum named Chinertown but this is getting crazy at this point.
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I don't know if I would say the Exceed has an exceptional track record for quality. IMO, its pretty average to below average if you are comparing them to the high end brands. A lot of people had seat post slipping issues, though I think Factors also suffered from that and being made in the same factory as the RDC and all...might as well.
One thing is true though. There are high quality Chinese products out there. If you have ever tried to have something made there you can see line by line how cost adds up. That then runs straight into a buzz saw of geopolitical biases that cut both ways. A lot of people associate China with cheap mass produced goods, but there are plenty of high quality goods made in China too.
On the other side, I had a chuckle when Chinacycling went to Sea Otter and produced a video featuring wheels made by Boyd with the comment "cool to see cutting edge carbon manufacturing like they do in Xiamen" on a rim made using RTM, a process that they bought from Munich Composites...it's not that new and is only used by a handful of manufacturers in North America and Europe because its cheaper to scale with labor than with those machine heavy processes. Never heard of a wheel company in China using it.
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Are you implying if someone is seeking performance and not just looks, then they will ignore Time or Look frames? As in because they don't perform well, just look pretty? :-X That has to be one of the most ridiculous if not the most ridiculous thing this forum has produced. Sure we are on a forum named Chinertown but this is getting crazy at this point.
"Looks and that it works" so looks good and is easy to live with. With both the 785 and 795 weighting more than a lot of modern aero framesets and the 795 having no credible public aero data I don't see how they are attractive from a performance standpoint. Time also aren't that light either and have even less aerodynamics credibility.
As fo the slipping seatpost. I'd consider that a design not manufacturing error. I don't remeber hearing about poor paint, bearing seats, obvious voids, fraying carbon, failures etc. Maybe I forgot and need to take another look at the exceed thread.
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Yea, I had the same reaction as you guys to that thread. Maybe one useful post for every 10 petty arguments about various things.
Just looking at the bike itself, it looks well made. I can't say I have any experience with Seka but the details look great and it's a really nice finishing kit they're including. I am always wary about aero claims and honestly don't really put much weight into them after seeing that Cade video where there was like 5W between the Foil and Addict in real world riding conditions. Arguing over 1-2W in test conditions just seems silly. But the weight is nice if true.
My big question is the price. I know it's not an open mold frame but it's still a tough ask for what they're charging (I think around $2,000 USD). Like I said, I'm not experienced with Seka but I think they're going to have a hard time selling them in the US for that price without years of quality behind them. This isn't saying they're not quality, more that they don't have the well known name. Winspace charges similar and has a pretty good following after years of putting out quality bikes. But even still, they are a tough sell to a lot of people who don't want to spend $1,500 on a Chinese frame. I think Bross is in the same boat, albeit they can throw the Cube name around to show they make quality bikes.
Either way, I'm interested to hear how it rides. The integrated cockpit looks really nice and I'd almost be tempted to pick one up for a different bike if the price is right. Maybe not the best name (I know it's a sword but it's still going to have a connotation that's not great) but the size options are great.
Also, anybody else getting Red Bull vibes from the special edition paint job?
Before factor opened a new factory in Taiwan, Seka and Factor were made in the same factory I think.
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Before factor opened a new factory in Taiwan, Seka and Factor were made in the same factory I think.
Factor don't have a new factory in Taiwan, and Seka and Factor are still made in the same factory in China.
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WhT do you think about L and Lr sizing compared to western brands mainly size 56
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Spear in L is basically exactly the same as Pinarello Dogma F 56.
LR on the other hand is a bit longer and lower. Comparable to old Canyon Aeroad M or Giant Propel ML.
I like this staggered sizing options, maybe L could be even a bit more relaxed, it would fit more people.
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Thanks for your response,
I'm not sure, if LR is too sporty as even a Dogma is more relaxed geometry, or if it's significant difference to l at all.
Thanks
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I'm curious, from where this information you get it? I know Factor was made in Xiamen, but not until the detail it was produce in same factory as SEKA
Before factor opened a new factory in Taiwan, Seka and Factor were made in the same factory I think.
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Thanks for your response,
I'm not sure, if LR is too sporty as even a Dogma is more relaxed geometry, or if it's significant difference to l at all.
Thanks
FWIW, I'm 182cm and went for an MR. That gives me the same reach as my Yoeleo R12 L and my Cannondale Systemsix L with a 110mm stem.
I could also fit an L or LR, but I prefer to size down if my reach and stack and still in the right place.
(https://gcdnb.pbrd.co/images/UN39Xs2A7gq8.png?o=1)
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Really nice looking frame, although the "wind eye" thing looks mostly like a gimmick and possibly a point of failure.
I had been thinking about getting one of the higher priced Chinese brands and read a bunch of posts on Sekas, something I found very odd is that the amount of slop in the seat tube for the Exceed was sort of insane, especially for a 2500 dollar frame when you don't see that sort of thing on the majority of 400 dollar frames. There were posts of people having to bodge this with putting layers of tape around the post, or building up layers of paint...completely unacceptable for a premium frame. There were also quite a few posts showing pictures of cracks in the seat tube. Hopefully they fixed that issue with this frame.
Have to wonder how much of these new crop of "high dollar budget" frames are just dumping loads of cash into presentation/marketing/website and are basically the same deal as other frames more in the 700-900 dollar range.
Aesthetically these lightweight aero frames look really nice! I like the looks of the Winspace, Seka and Incolor Intropy a lot more than what established brands are offering, and I love they are making sub 800g frames that are quite aero.
It seems like the Seka is more western geometry than the new Winspace.
I've been wondering why I have not been able to hit the sort of speeds on descents with my current bike compared to bikes in the past (I had taken a break from cycling for about 5 years). I weigh about 10 lbs more, my kit is much more aero nowadays, my helmet is aero, my wheels are 45mm deep instead of 25-28mm depth, my bike weighs about 3 pounds more, I typically carry a lot more food and water and I'm still not hitting the speeds I had been. Learning about the differences in Chinese geo vs Western geo yesterday when reading about these frames made me realize the frame I'm on now is much more 'western' and the frames I had been riding previously were Chinese geo. So all those new advantages in weight, equipment aero are nothing compared to the more aggressive body position Chinese frames will put you in. Something I found interesting. I'm typically topping out at 4-5mph less on many of my regular descents in a tuck now vs a tuck then.
The "race bikes" of today are basically the same exact geometry as "endurance bikes" of 10 years ago. The new SL8 is extremely close to the 2012 Roubaix in geo.
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Depends which ones, winspace and tavelo are definitely in the marketing column probably lykos too, seka, incolor, pardus probably not. We'll see about onirii, quick, bigrock claim once theres some more material on them. Bross could've been paid for by Cube.
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I've been wondering why I have not been able to hit the sort of speeds on descents with my current bike compared to bikes in the past (I had taken a break from cycling for about 5 years). I weigh about 10 lbs more, my kit is much more aero nowadays, my helmet is aero, my wheels are 45mm deep instead of 25-28mm depth, my bike weighs about 3 pounds more, I typically carry a lot more food and water and I'm still not hitting the speeds I had been. Learning about the differences in Chinese geo vs Western geo yesterday when reading about these frames made me realize the frame I'm on now is much more 'western' and the frames I had been riding previously were Chinese geo. So all those new advantages in weight, equipment aero are nothing compared to the more aggressive body position Chinese frames will put you in. Something I found interesting. I'm typically topping out at 4-5mph less on many of my regular descents in a tuck now vs a tuck then.
The "race bikes" of today are basically the same exact geometry as "endurance bikes" of 10 years ago. The new SL8 is extremely close to the 2012 Roubaix in geo.
Just to point out, the prevailing trend is to fit higher stack, longer reach, narrower handlebar, minimum saddle setback, shorter cranks. Basically to try and achieve the same (or more aggressive) hip angle as you'd get from the old slam-that-stem bike-fit, but move the arms and hands further up to make the aero hoods position easier. (see Victor Campenaerts's latest Orbea Orca video)
I've been racing for 16 years and have adopted the new fit trends, and can attest that since then I'm typically topping out 1-2mph higher, and easily setting PRs on flatter/rolling segments, despite being fatter and slower than I was a few years ago before making these changes on my new bike. If you find yourself going slower on a modern bike I really suggest you go over your handlebar position and try to get longer and narrower.
My Seka's Exceed geometry has a fairly high stack (although is now actually quite normal compared to Cannondale's S6E, or the Tarmac).But a big knock I'll give it is the short reach and relatively laid back seat tube angle. To achieve the "modern" bike fit, I have struggled to fit a properly long stem, and have to slam my saddle all the way forward on a zero-setback seatpost. The Spear seems to have at least addressed these two shortcomings with slightly longer reach and steeper seat tube.
Have to wonder how much of these new crop of "high dollar budget" frames are just dumping loads of cash into presentation/marketing/website and are basically the same deal as other frames more in the 700-900 dollar range.
As a Seka owner that's fairly active on the WW thread, I'm convinced you're paying for higher quality finishing kit, paint, warranty, and a genuinely better frame. Better doesn't mean perfect--I indeed am one of the people who suffered from the loose seatpost issue, as well as an unrelated frame-creaking issue that required warranty replacement. Take a look at Ribble, similar price-point, but there's a well-known WW thread documenting some pretty terrible quality issues.
If you look at the competition there really aren't many/any options offering a 700g aero-optimized/tested standalone frame at this price point. My big concern is that the price point is getting so high that you might as well buy a domestic name-brand frame. Building up a Spear with Ultegra Di2 would run something like $6000-7000? You can get a new Cannondale S6E with Ultegra for less. I think Seka realizes this, which is why I believe Seka isn't pushing hard on selling in the western market.
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Higher stack and lower reach is the point of the exceed, it's a relaxed geo bike
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Can we make a list of these 700-800g +/- aero high dollar Chinese brand frames?
So far I see:
Winspace Agile (probably) 950g M $1980
Seka Spear RDC (probably) 850g M $2700
Seka Spear regular weight ?? $2158
Incolor Intropy Speedster regular (probably) 950g $1764 dunno availability in the West
Incolor Intropy Speedster Plus (probably) 870g $2592
Tavelo Arow Superlight (probably) 850g $2380
I write "probably" because all these weights listed are unpainted, figuring paint adds another 100-150g so I added 120g for the paint to the listed weight.
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Are SEKAs prices higher due to a more advanced carbon layup?
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I'd add Elilee Blize in there too which is around $1700 USD (judging off Australian prices) and 780g. They claim that it has been aero tested. There's also the XXE version at 680g and $2500 USD
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Can we make a list of these 700-800g +/- aero high dollar Chinese brand frames?
So far I see:
Winspace Agile (probably) 950g M $1980
Seka Spear RDC (probably) 850g M $2700
Seka Spear regular weight ?? $2158
Incolor Intropy Speedster regular (probably) 950g $1764 dunno availability in the West
Incolor Intropy Speedster Plus (probably) 870g $2592
Tavelo Arow Superlight (probably) 850g $2380
I write "probably" because all these weights listed are unpainted, figuring paint adds another 100-150g so I added 120g for the paint to the listed weight.
Owner of the Agile here; below are the pictures of the actual weights of the fork, seatpost, and frame in size 51. I had YOELEO R12 previously, and the Agile is much more comfortable and "lively." A full video review is coming soon; the written one is already on my website. :)
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That is quite a lot more than advertised! What size frame is that?
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Thatf frame weight in 51 is insane, winspace keep on losing credibility
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Just to point out, the prevailing trend is to fit higher stack, longer reach, narrower handlebar, minimum saddle setback, shorter cranks. Basically to try and achieve the same (or more aggressive) hip angle as you'd get from the old slam-that-stem bike-fit, but move the arms and hands further up to make the aero hoods position easier. (see Victor Campenaerts's latest Orbea Orca video)
This one?
https://youtu.be/ggLLTUYgWUE?si=OWITNpDd_MZTJCYA
He didn't say much about the fit. I am trying to find out more info about the "modern" fit. I moved down to 38 cm bars but I feel like I need more reach. I just ordered a new frame and I feel like I made the wrong decision- it's basically the same as my current one.
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Man, what happened to super light Chinese frames? I had a Dengfu way back in like 2014 that was 700g. Now it seems like the 'super light weight' frames list fake weights.
I wonder if this latex mandrel method of making frames is making them heavier somehow.
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I'd add Elilee Blize in there too which is around $1700 USD (judging off Australian prices) and 780g. They claim that it has been aero tested. There's also the XXE version at 680g and $2500 USD
This is a really nice looking bike. The weight weenie thread on it is interesting...seems like quality is all over the place and the company is run by douchebags, but if you get a good frame, it's fantastic.
Way too expensive though...you can get a non S-works Specialized Aethos for $3000 which will be lighter than the Elilee super lightweight at $2500.
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All those so called premium Chinese Bike is so expensive yet the weight is not as per advertised. I do prefer buying a counterfeit SL8 with weight of 730gm after measured.
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All those so called premium Chinese Bike is so expensive yet the weight is not as per advertised. I do prefer buying a counterfeit SL8 with weight of 730gm after measured.
Do you have experience with the replica SL8? I saw that airwolf actually sells one on their website (besides the numerous listings from different sellers on Ali). Weight/price seems very good, but they might be lacking stiffness...
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My friend bought it. Frame received in splendid condition and now waiting for assembly and test ride.
Do you have experience with the replica SL8? I saw that airwolf actually sells one on their website (besides the numerous listings from different sellers on Ali). Weight/price seems very good, but they might be lacking stiffness...
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My friend bought it. Frame received in splendid condition and now waiting for assembly and test ride.
Great, would love to read a post about that with pictures ;)
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My friend bought it. Frame received in splendid condition and now waiting for assembly and test ride.
As an SL8 owner, I am very tempted to buy one just to compare ;D
Although VeloBuild's VB-268 feels nothing like a Tarmac.
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As an SL8 owner, I am very tempted to buy one just to compare ;D
Although VeloBuild's VB-268 feels nothing like a Tarmac.
Do it! :D Would be very controversial, but also really interesting 8)
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Do it! :D Would be very controversial, but also really interesting 8)
On second thought...
The AI generated marketing phrases are both laughable and concerning. And they still misspelled words.
"Make friends with the wind."
"1:1 DESGIN"
"T1100 Carbon"
"If it looks fast, it probably is"
I can't get jiggy with any of this.
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I just became a Canadian dealer for SEKA and can help out Americans as well. I have the spear on order and I’m very excited to see how it stands up against my factor 02 vam at 13lbs. Will keep you posted.
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Man, what happened to super light Chinese frames? I had a Dengfu way back in like 2014 that was 700g. Now it seems like the 'super light weight' frames list fake weights.
I wonder if this latex mandrel method of making frames is making them heavier somehow.
Id wager it's not an apples to apples comparison. For example most frames today have disc brakes
Plus I remember those old R01s breaking seatstays. They were light but I'm not sure they were very good.
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Happened upon an Ali listing for this today at LOL pricing.
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807305819580.html?spm=a2g0o.home.pcJustForYou.362.562c76dbVJuXuP&gps-id=pcJustForYou&scm=1007.13562.416251.0&scm_id=1007.13562.416251.0&scm-url=1007.13562.416251.0&pvid=1347ea04-463f-47cd-9054-037a96321fff&_t=gps-id:pcJustForYou,scm-url:1007.13562.416251.0,pvid:1347ea04-463f-47cd-9054-037a96321fff,tpp_buckets:668%232846%238115%232000&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21USD%211821.01%211821.01%21%21%2113301.76%2113301.76%21%402103241117371431252664829ec3fc%2112000041008593670%21rec%21US%211699911272%21XZ&utparam-url=scene%3ApcJustForYou%7Cquery_from%3A (https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807305819580.html?spm=a2g0o.home.pcJustForYou.362.562c76dbVJuXuP&gps-id=pcJustForYou&scm=1007.13562.416251.0&scm_id=1007.13562.416251.0&scm-url=1007.13562.416251.0&pvid=1347ea04-463f-47cd-9054-037a96321fff&_t=gps-id:pcJustForYou,scm-url:1007.13562.416251.0,pvid:1347ea04-463f-47cd-9054-037a96321fff,tpp_buckets:668%232846%238115%232000&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21USD%211821.01%211821.01%21%21%2113301.76%2113301.76%21%402103241117371431252664829ec3fc%2112000041008593670%21rec%21US%211699911272%21XZ&utparam-url=scene%3ApcJustForYou%7Cquery_from%3A)
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Finished the build a couple of days ago.
First impressions after some rides is great.
Specs:
- Seka Spear Rdc Chronos Frame
- Yuan an carbon fiber wheelset 40mm , carbon spokes , ceramic bearing ratchet hub
- Shimano 105 Di2 groupset
- Walgun ceramic BB
- Pro Stealth Saddle
might upgrade the crankset later to a Dura Ace or carbon chinese one after bikefit.