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Title: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: Ludo on August 08, 2024, 12:25:06 PM
Original questions and discussions related up to page 3:
To the specialists, is there a frame out there that would be a good all around to do road and gravel by just switching wheelset? Not doing anything competitive, just wanting something capable. Not doing extreme off road either as I have a mtb for that.

Follow up (all prices taxes & shipping included):
Went with SPcycle G056 frame and here below is the built sheet, just missing pedals and a bit undecided about what to do on that so shelved that decision for later

Frame, so G056, sky blue frame and white fork, will probably put some decal on it to dress it up, $511
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mNahRbQ

Handlebar, Syncros creston road 400x90, $87
https://a.aliexpress.com/_m09jqcc

Bar tape, $6
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mNdUvZK

Groupset, Ltwoo GRT aluminum with Zrace XG calipers, $200
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mtfyuM4

Crankset, Evosid 170mm-46T, $39
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mqvRT6M

BB, kactus T47 ceramic bearings, $25
https://a.aliexpress.com/_m0sr8Pa

Cassette, Spedao 11-50T. $68
https://a.aliexpress.com/_m0QVeEo

Chain, YBN 12S, $21
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mPAQ1Ac

Saddle, ryet 3D carbon, $36
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mLifxzS

Wheelset, CSC 50x30x D272 hub 54t, 6 bolts rotors, $364
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mNi5nzS

Valves, Ridenow presta, 65mm, $6
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mP718pW

Rotors, SRAM centerline 6bolts 160mm, $13 for the pair
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mK9mMVq

Tires, Continental Terra trails 70”x40C, $59 for the pair
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mK9mMVq




Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
Post by: erickr on August 08, 2024, 10:06:59 PM
Take a look at the Crux (or clone) for a more road like geo or Carbonda 505 (also has an SL version) for a more relaxed gravel geo.

I have an original Carbonda 505 that was a spare parts gravel build several years ago. It's still my favorite bike I've ever owned. The newer 505 has been de-graveled a bit and looks like a great road/gravel option.
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
Post by: kubackje on August 09, 2024, 05:50:22 AM
Take a look at the Crux (or clone) for a more road like geo or Carbonda 505 (also has an SL version) for a more relaxed gravel geo.

I have an original Carbonda 505 that was a spare parts gravel build several years ago. It's still my favorite bike I've ever owned. The newer 505 has been de-graveled a bit and looks like a great road/gravel option.

That's ease it's cervelo aspero and their clones like the one from airwolf.
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
Post by: Phaxe on August 09, 2024, 06:31:51 AM
I just finished the cervelo clone build and I think it would make a great hybrid. It has a an aggressive aero position perfect for the road.
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
Post by: Serge_K on August 09, 2024, 11:48:48 AM
road bleeds into all road bleeds into gravel bleeds into MTB.
modern (bro) wisdom would say you need to clear 50C to get a really capable gravel bike (as per Dylan Johnson on YT, basically).
If you want to do chunky gravel, then that's probably what you want. 30/32C Conti GP5000 tyres on a road wheelset, and 50C tyres on a gravel one. Or potentially 650b wheels with big mountain bike tyres (see Dylan Johnson's recent bike setup videos for gravel races).
If you aren't going to do any "real gravel" / chunky stuff, potentially an all road bike that takes 38C may be enough, at which point you might get away running 1 wheelset only.
really does depend on the riding you are ACTUALLY going to be doing.

I only have good things to say about carbonspeed's Grevil clone & Peter himself (Peter is on the forum. http://www.xmcarbonspeed.com/Productinfo.asp?f=1639). My er9 died on it after 4 rides, but i really enjoyed it. it's very roadie, in the sense that you can go really fast on it on smooth roads. It's the same geometry exactly as the Grevil, and Pinarello do know a thing or 2 about bike geometry apparently. it takes 50C.

I can also say good things about Long teng, and their newer model takes 38C (https://www.ltbikes.com/index/products/view/id/401.html). I have the 268, and the geometry is very similar, so it's a road bike, but "all road".

I also have a VB GF02 but honestly as a road bike it's pretty awful. i bought that, then very quickly decided to buy a real road bike, hence the LT. The Grevil clone would likely be capable of both quite well. 90+% of the riding i want to do is road, i bought gravel bikes to basically realize i like road better... but that's very much a function of where you live. the US has such poor infrastructure that a lot of roads are white roads. Europe doesnt have that, unless you're in the ass of somewhere, there's asphalt.

Pro tip: if 99% of your riding is going to be road, buy a road bike :)
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
Post by: frnchy on August 09, 2024, 01:09:15 PM
I have an SPCycle G068 frame coming in soon to build into basically this exact bike. I'll be running a 700c x 32 mm road wheelset and 650b x 52-ish mm gravel wheelset. The frame should be arriving sometime in the next month and will be built up right after I get it, so check the thread for that frame soon.

More generally, I think the prior suggestions for an Aspero copy or all-road bike are good ones if your riding is like 70/30 road/gravel or less, and has a fairly consistent ratio of road to gravel. My riding is more like 40/60 overall, but for any individual ride I can get anywhere from a 50/50 to 10/90 split on surface type (well, 100% road rides aren't hard to achieve but they aren't very appealing); thus, two wheelsets makes sense for my use case where I can choose my riding surface of choice. If this sounds similar to your riding then it might be worth looking into a 2 wheelset solution on a frame with larger tire clearance.
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
Post by: Ludo on August 09, 2024, 02:19:19 PM
Thanks everyone for all the good suggestion, I’ll start putting numbers together on the different options. Carbondale would be my first choice without budget constraint but I am not sur I can get there budget wise starting with that frame.
2 wheel set has the most appeal as I would rather not have to swap tires whenever I want to change things. I would think that most of my riding will be gravel but I would like to venture on the road front time to time.
Serge, for sure the roads around Houston are nothing like what we have in France, hard to find quiet country roads, but we do have a nice network of concrete trails, can easy do 60-70km ride without being on busy roads.

Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
Post by: 100poods on August 09, 2024, 04:38:02 PM
I'm in the same situation, I want to get a universal bike, but I don't know what to choose. I have 80 tarmac and sidewalks, 10 bad tarmac and 10 forest roads. I don't really want a road bike, maybe over time, because I want more versatility and convenience on the 50-100km trips that I usually do.

These are the options I'm currently choosing from (Listed in descending order of my interest)

Lightcarbon LCG072-D 2025
Workswell G358
Carbonda 505SL
Ican Graro

Pricey side
Canyon Grail
Orbea Terra
Superior XR 2025
Scott Addict
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
Post by: jonathanf2 on August 09, 2024, 06:24:01 PM
Take a look at the Crux (or clone) for a more road like geo or Carbonda 505 (also has an SL version) for a more relaxed gravel geo.

I have an original Carbonda 505 that was a spare parts gravel build several years ago. It's still my favorite bike I've ever owned. The newer 505 has been de-graveled a bit and looks like a great road/gravel option.

You know of any Crux frame clones? I'm not aware of any, but I'd be interested if they exist!
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
Post by: Serge_K on August 10, 2024, 04:36:20 AM
I'm in the same situation, I want to get a universal bike, but I don't know what to choose. I have 80 tarmac and sidewalks, 10 bad tarmac and 10 forest roads. I don't really want a road bike, maybe over time, because I want more versatility and convenience on the 50-100km trips that I usually do.

Based on your ratios, consider the new long teng, the 401. Takes 38C, which would easily handle 90% of your riding, and the last 10%, would either still work ok enough with slicks, or if you have some knobs on the edges, would be great. Can't say enough good things about my LT268. If you put a 35 or 38C road tyres, setup tubeless, i think you'd be the king of the world on a setup like that, you could be going very fast most of the time, as the geometry is road, but not aggressive (not endurance either). i'm really very pleased with mine which has a similar geo.
they OEM for Argon 18.
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
Post by: 100poods on August 10, 2024, 07:17:14 AM
Based on your ratios, consider the new long teng, the 401. Takes 38C, which would easily handle 90% of your riding, and the last 10%, would either still work ok enough with slicks, or if you have some knobs on the edges, would be great.

It looks interesting, but it's really more road-going than universal. One of my trips, when I wanted to increase the distance and get to a nature reserve near the city, this craving for adventure ended with me making my way along a forest road with fallen trees and a swamp through which I carried a bicycle in my hands (I saw a shorter road on satellite images LMAO). Therefore, I just want a slightly more road and faster gravel bike than I currently have — SPcycle G058. The stock for tires 40-45c will be enough for me for speed, comfort and off-road ability, I will stop at Tufo Thundero, and for the road I will assemble another wheelset for 30-32c tires that will eventually be on the road bike that I plan to assemble.


Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
Post by: Serge_K on August 10, 2024, 07:47:10 AM
It looks interesting, but it's really more road-going than universal. One of my trips, when I wanted to increase the distance and get to a nature reserve near the city, this craving for adventure ended with me making my way along a forest road with fallen trees and a swamp through which I carried a bicycle in my hands (I saw a shorter road on satellite images LMAO). Therefore, I just want a slightly more road and faster gravel bike than I currently have — SPcycle G058. The stock for tires 40-45c will be enough for me for speed, comfort and off-road ability, I will stop at Tufo Thundero, and for the road I will assemble another wheelset for 30-32c tires that will eventually be on the road bike that I plan to assemble.

Fair! then from the stuff i know 1st hand, i'd recommend Peter's grevil clone, because you'll still be fast on the road (80-90pc of your riding) and it will still largely feel like a road bike rather than a snail (my VB GF002 feels like a snail on the road), and you can clear 50C. Ofc, either you like the Pinarello vibe of it or you dont. It's turning heads, but it's not for everyone. I plan to make Ferragamo decals, or maybe Pizzaiolo, using Pinarello font - probably i ll end up with pizzaiolo on one side and ferragamo on the other just to troll pinarello.
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
Post by: Ludo on August 10, 2024, 08:13:26 AM
Taiwan factory bike parts has the Scott addict replica. Could also be an option
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
Post by: 100poods on August 10, 2024, 08:40:28 AM
Yes, Ican Graro is a copy of Scott geometry, this is one of the options. But I'm not a fan of copies and replicas, even as trolling, I don't like the aesthetics of pinarello. I think I'll go to bikefit with retul to make up my mind, at the moment I'm forming a short list for myself.
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
Post by: Ludo on August 10, 2024, 09:45:21 AM
I’ll post all the geometries of the bike posted here in the top post and a few oem bike for reference, could be useful for others
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
Post by: kubackje on August 11, 2024, 12:37:20 PM
Thanks everyone for all the good suggestion, I’ll start putting numbers together on the different options. Carbondale would be my first choice without budget constraint but I am not sur I can get there budget wise starting with that frame.
2 wheel set has the most appeal as I would rather not have to swap tires whenever I want to change things. I would think that most of my riding will be gravel but I would like to venture on the road front time to time.
Serge, for sure the roads around Houston are nothing like what we have in France, hard to find quiet country roads, but we do have a nice network of concrete trails, can easy do 60-70km ride without being on busy roads.

If you want a gravel bike that's fast on road then I can recommend same build as I have. Sp cycle g056. I have a fast road bike Scott addict rc pro so I know what a fast bike feels like. My sp cycle with the the setup I have is a weapon on and off road with very fast tires tufo thundero HD 44c. It weighs just 8.5kg. I do all kind of riding on it from single tracks, chunky gravel, smooth gravel to long tarmac rides. I even got few KOMs on tarmac with it. it's fast. But yeah it's a copy of willies jena, when it came out it was considered as s fast gravel bike. My stem -17 and narrow aero handlebars with flare also help me getting into nice aero position. It's not as good in the corners like a  my road bike but hey not many bikes are better then top tier scott.
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
Post by: bremerradkurier on August 13, 2024, 03:28:10 PM
Fair! then from the stuff i know 1st hand, i'd recommend Peter's grevil clone, because you'll still be fast on the road (80-90pc of your riding) and it will still largely feel like a road bike rather than a snail (my VB GF002 feels like a snail on the road), and you can clear 50C. Ofc, either you like the Pinarello vibe of it or you dont. It's turning heads, but it's not for everyone. I plan to make Ferragamo decals, or maybe Pizzaiolo, using Pinarello font - probably i ll end up with pizzaiolo on one side and ferragamo on the other just to troll pinarello.

I'm the lucky winner of the giveaway for this frame.  :)

My current build out plan and feel free to criticize is a 50-34 11-36 105 Di2  group, Elite Carbon wheelset at 45×24 IW rims.  Usage would be 85% road and maybe 10-15% forest paths.  For tires I'm thinking I could get some hilarious lean angles on the road and a plush ridewith either 38c Schwalbe Pro Ones or 35c Conti 5000 AS tires.

Should also have enough volume to handle the light unpaved sections I'd be trying.

My troll name idea in the same font would be Poorfellow. ;)

Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
Post by: Ludo on August 16, 2024, 10:18:11 AM
If you want a gravel bike that's fast on road then I can recommend same build as I have. Sp cycle g056. I have a fast road bike Scott addict rc pro so I know what a fast bike feels like. My sp cycle with the the setup I have is a weapon on and off road with very fast tires tufo thundero HD 44c. It weighs just 8.5kg. I do all kind of riding on it from single tracks, chunky gravel, smooth gravel to long tarmac rides. I even got few KOMs on tarmac with it. it's fast. But yeah it's a copy of willies jena, when it came out it was considered as s fast gravel bike. My stem -17 and narrow aero handlebars with flare also help me getting into nice aero position. It's not as good in the corners like a  my road bike but hey not many bikes are better then top tier scott.

Well you sold it, discussing colors with them…
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
Post by: Kactusdog on August 16, 2024, 04:26:53 PM
I have an SPCycle G068 frame coming in soon to build into basically this exact bike. I'll be running a 700c x 32 mm road wheelset and 650b x 52-ish mm gravel wheelset. The frame should be arriving sometime in the next month and will be built up right after I get it, so check the thread for that frame soon.

More generally, I think the prior suggestions for an Aspero copy or all-road bike are good ones if your riding is like 70/30 road/gravel or less, and has a fairly consistent ratio of road to gravel. My riding is more like 40/60 overall, but for any individual ride I can get anywhere from a 50/50 to 10/90 split on surface type (well, 100% road rides aren't hard to achieve but they aren't very appealing); thus, two wheelsets makes sense for my use case where I can choose my riding surface of choice. If this sounds similar to your riding then it might be worth looking into a 2 wheelset solution on a frame with larger tire clearance.

Very nice! This is the bike I am looking to go with next, please let me know how you find the tire clearance... I'm currently on a drop bar Epic HT with 2.2" Racekings. I'll likely keep the front tire, but go tanwall pathfinder 47 in the rear.
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
Post by: Ludo on August 17, 2024, 10:49:35 PM
Shopping cart is loaded for the sales, total before discount is $2100 with two sets of wheels, I may choose to do only one set though as I am not sure how much pure road I would be doing…
For the bar I went for a syncros creston not sure about gravel or road version though. I look at cheaper options but couldn’t find anything really inspiring, so open to suggestions
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
Post by: Serge_K on August 18, 2024, 02:49:36 AM
For the bar I went for a syncros creston not sure about gravel or road version though. I look at cheaper options but couldn’t find anything really inspiring, so open to suggestions

Very, very pleased with the airworlf T1000 bars on Alix for about 100-120 euro. I wouldn't buy a frame from them because the forum is full of horror stories but their cockpits are awesome. I've bought 5.
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
Post by: Daviddavieboy on August 18, 2024, 05:27:43 AM
Well you sold it, discussing colors with them…

 Can confirm the G056 is fast as hell. I have beat the crap out of it on single track and rocky fire roads and getting PRs on segments I set before covid on the road with the SuperSix I had. FWIW I have Spech Sawtooth tires and a Force AXS compact 2x chainset so I find myself spinning out down hill around 70KPH. This was on a hill with 4% avg and it felt very stable at speed ( https://www.strava.com/segments/25290783 ). It would be even faster on something steep. I love the bike but it IS a size too big for me as I am 6' and SHOULD have bought the medium.
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
Post by: Ludo on August 18, 2024, 06:00:37 AM
I am 6 too and they advise large.
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
Post by: kubackje on August 18, 2024, 07:05:31 AM
I am 6 too and they advise large.

I am 187cm and ride large with 110 -17 stem
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
Post by: Ludo on August 18, 2024, 08:47:04 AM
Hmmm, maybe medium wouldn’t be a bad choice then, because your drop is not crazy. First road frame for me, only be on mtb so it’s really a shit in the dark
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
Post by: kubackje on August 18, 2024, 08:52:26 AM
Hmmm, maybe medium wouldn’t be a bad choice then, because your drop is not crazy. First road frame for me, only be on mtb so it’s really a shit in the dark

I run saddle at 76 cm. so pretty low for my height
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
Post by: Daviddavieboy on August 19, 2024, 03:24:03 AM
  For my fit the large is too big. The bike feels to be around a 58 to 59 cm and on my pure road bikes a 56 with a 100 stem is more comfortable. I find when I get my setback right I am too stretched out and with the seat more forward there is too much forward weight and this is with a 90 mm stem/42cm bar combo. I have about 2000 km on the bike now and the bar tape is already worn on the bends of the bar. I think with a 80mm stem length the bike would be about perfect for me and handle even better for off road technical riding. Included a shot from the side to show my set up of the g056 with a 90mm stem but saddle about 1/2 cm too far forward for me. Saddle is a Prologo Scratch Pro standard length. Balance is not perfect but acceptable.
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
Post by: Ludo on August 20, 2024, 06:07:29 AM
Well the wheel/cassette combination is proving tricky! Mtb cassettes are MS, elite wheels or CSC seem to offer only the road spline for the 700C wheels as I am looking for 45-50mm depth rim. I have question waiting answers to both of them and Yuanan, we’ll see
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
Post by: maza on August 20, 2024, 07:24:25 AM
Well the wheel/cassette combination is proving tricky! Mtb cassettes are MS, elite wheels or CSC seem to offer only the road spline for the 700C wheels as I am looking for 45-50mm depth rim. I have question waiting answers to both of them and Yuanan, we’ll see
Why don't you just buy HG cassette if finding suitable wheels with MS is tricky?
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
Post by: Ludo on August 20, 2024, 10:33:25 AM
That’s what I will end up doing but didn’t find any trusted HG in 10/11 - 40/45 12s  so far
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
Post by: Ludo on August 20, 2024, 10:07:27 PM
Well, everything is ordered, now just need patience for everything to show up! Thanks guys for your help.
I will put together the build sheet either in top of that thread if I can retitle it or in a build thread, definitely not the budget build it was supposed to be...
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: Ludo on August 21, 2024, 07:59:32 PM
1st post updated with build list
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: swhelan on August 22, 2024, 08:23:03 AM
Is the G058 frame very similar to the CWinds G30 frame? I’m in the process of ordering a frame and building a gravel bike as well. I’m new to all this, will be my first gravel bike.

Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
Post by: swhelan on August 22, 2024, 08:29:54 AM
I just finished the cervelo clone build and I think it would make a great hybrid. It has a an aggressive aero position perfect for the road.

What frame is that? It’s a clone of the Cervélo?
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: Ludo on August 27, 2024, 07:11:56 AM
Received the wheels last night from CSC, 6 days door to door from China, crazy!!
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: Daviddavieboy on August 27, 2024, 12:24:08 PM
Received the wheels last night from CSC, 6 days door to door from China, crazy!!

 SWEET ! My frame arrived in 12 days and my wheels were 2 months from Elite LOL
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: Ludo on August 27, 2024, 09:56:04 PM
Starting building stuff as parts show up:
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: Ludo on August 31, 2024, 04:23:24 PM
More parts, evosid crankset with 46T chainring, might be a bit too much for my wimpy legs, we’ll see
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: lantz on August 31, 2024, 09:38:06 PM
More parts, evosid crankset with 46T chainring, might be a bit too much for my wimpy legs, we’ll see

Make sure you fucking *torque* this thing. It's gonna feel like you're over-torqueing, it calls for like 54nm, which most garage mechanics can't accurately measure.

I've installed 2 of these and both required me to go further than I have on other cranksets to remove any lateral creaking on load.
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: Ludo on August 31, 2024, 11:02:09 PM
Thanks for the tip! I usually works on cars so I have the proper torq wrench for this but it did surprise me, might be interesting to find the way to hold the bike to torq this puppy!
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: Daviddavieboy on September 01, 2024, 04:54:19 AM
More parts, evosid crankset with 46T chainring, might be a bit too much for my wimpy legs, we’ll see

 Naw, with that 50t cassette you have better than 1:1 so climbing is gonna be great and you will still get good speed on pavement.
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: lantz on September 01, 2024, 08:33:09 PM
Thanks for the tip! I usually works on cars so I have the proper torq wrench for this but it did surprise me, might be interesting to find the way to hold the bike to torq this puppy!

That's rad - would actually love to hear back about how close to the recommended torque you get! I've put some muscle into it to get it to fit in, but not sure what I'm actually torqued at.
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: ChinerStevie on September 08, 2024, 04:45:49 AM
Received the wheels last night from CSC, 6 days door to door from China, crazy!!

Can you have a look at the hub and see if it's same as Goldix 240SL? Am looking to buy same CSC hub but wanna make sure spare parts are available...
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: Ludo on September 09, 2024, 03:35:43 PM
I asked CSC for info on spare parts

I dont think it's same as Goldix, the machining for the disc mating surfaces are very different
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: Ludo on September 09, 2024, 08:30:04 PM
Frame just arrived, paint job looks really good, only some extra build up on brake mounts face that needs to be cleaned up.
T47 thread look really clean too.
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: Ultramic on September 22, 2024, 01:44:51 AM
I just finished building up a bike using this frame, hit me up if you have any questions. Mainly for commuting but I can easily switch out the tyres for gravel use.
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: Kuni on September 24, 2024, 01:04:32 PM
More parts, evosid crankset with 46T chainring, might be a bit too much for my wimpy legs, we’ll see

I just recently finished a G056 build for my wife, now considering one for myself.
I was wondering: did you mange to fit the 46T chainring on your bike? No problem with getting too close to the chainstay etc.?

On my wife's build it looks extremely close with a Sram Rival 40T. Might be due to the smaller size (XS)?

Also, how did you get the custom paint job done? Did you just order via their homepage and tell them what you want?

Would love to hear back from you!
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: Ludo on September 24, 2024, 01:26:17 PM
I simply ordered on AliExpress and asked them for color mix, as long as it’s one of their main color they are ok with it, no extra cost.
I was travelling for the last couple of weeks, just got into the build last night. I was planning on running brakes hose and shift cable tonight so I should be able to do a quick test fit of the crankset
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: Ludo on September 25, 2024, 06:32:34 AM
Slow progress, little time to work on it last night, and need to fix an issue with headset/spacers, gap is ginormous!
I guess I need to get the compression ring machined down…
Inside of the frame seems clean, hose/cable housing slide in without issue. Rubber grommet for the rear brake hose exit hole, no idea how to push it I place, the hose/grommet combinaison seems way too big to me. Messed with it for 15mins last night and gave up
Drive side of the T47 BB frame shell needed cleaning and it’s a bit tricky to get the BB outer shell to engage, but it fits, eventually
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: hsaus on September 25, 2024, 07:22:26 AM
Rubber grommet for the rear brake hose exit hole, no idea how to push it I place, the hose/grommet combinaison seems way too big to me.

My frame didn't come with a grommet for the rear brake hose exit hole, and the shape of the exit hole suggests that one isn't used. I got two sets of derailleur cable exit hole grommets though, one set for mechanical shifting and one set for electronic shifting.

Edit: Fix typo
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: Ludo on September 25, 2024, 07:27:18 AM
Ah that may be why then! I must be using the one for the mechanical shifting!
The brake hose is rather a lose fit more than press fit in the frame, I may just put some black silicone to seal that a bit better
Still waiting on seat post and a couple more stuff as well as my tools than I loaned to a friend to really speed things up. Dry fitting everything right now
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: rasch on September 25, 2024, 07:50:13 AM
Slow progress, little time to work on it last night, and need to fix an issue with headset/spacers, gap is ginormous!
I guess I need to get the compression ring machined down…
Inside of the frame seems clean, hose/cable housing slide in without issue. Rubber grommet for the rear brake hose exit hole, no idea how to push it I place, the hose/grommet combinaison seems way too big to me. Messed with it for 15mins last night and gave up
Drive side of the T47 BB frame shell needed cleaning and it’s a bit tricky to get the BB outer shell to engage, but it fits, eventually
are those the frame spacers and hb? Doesn't look like a proper fit.

I'm thinking of getting one of these for me too.
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: Ludo on September 25, 2024, 08:35:06 AM
No, I went for syncros creston copy, a bit of a gamble. The fit won’t be perfect but I think it will be acceptable once I get the compression ring machined to remove the 1.5-2mm gap
If I was to redo I would get a more generic/universal handlebar set up…
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: Daviddavieboy on September 25, 2024, 04:34:28 PM
No, I went for syncros creston copy, a bit of a gamble. The fit won’t be perfect but I think it will be acceptable once I get the compression ring machined to remove the 1.5-2mm gap
If I was to redo I would get a more generic/universal handlebar set up…

  Is this the compression ring that came with the frame or the bar ? I bought a Creston bar as well and the ring that came with it was noticeably thicker than the one that came with the frame. I ended up using the one that came with the frame.
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: Ludo on September 25, 2024, 07:12:31 PM
I tried both and both are thick
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: hsaus on September 25, 2024, 10:44:17 PM
We appear to have two separate threads for this frame. I'm also looking for a better headset compression ring, using the one supplied with the frame for now.

Linking my build report here for visibility and so we can better share what we find: https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,3739.msg65794.html#msg65794
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: Daviddavieboy on September 26, 2024, 02:16:35 AM
I tried both and both are thick

Of the two sets of spacers I tried with my bar neither looked right on mine either. I think the only real solution is custom printing some for the 50mm head tube. The Creston bar is made for a Scott. I went back to the Roval bar on my bike which (IMO) looks perfect.
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: fhold on September 26, 2024, 09:32:54 AM
I also plan to do a build based on that frame and would love to get you input on the specs below. Did i miss something/ anything wrong/ what could be improved? It will be my first build ever  ;D so any feedback is much appreciated!

Cheers Flavio

Frame   Spyclce G056 Set
Seatpost   Spyclce G056 Set
Headset   Spyclce G056 Set
Wheels   XMCarbonspeed D40CU-33 T800
Tires   Specialized Pathfinder Pro 38mm or Schwalbe G-One Speed 622-35
Tubes   TPU RideNow allroad
Saddle   ELITA ONE Carbon
Shifters   GRX Shifters 600
Bottom Bracket   Lingmai BB T47  86,5mm
Crankset   SENICX PR3 Gravel Crankset 42T 170mm
Chain   Ztto or YBN 11-S (SL)
Cassette   SROAD 11-42T Monoblock
Rear Derailleur   RD-RX812
Discbrakes (front/back)   BR-RX400
Rotors   Z-Race 160mm

Edited: had a typo in the listing seraph was wrong, it is of course spcycle
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: Ludo on September 26, 2024, 09:50:46 AM
looks like a solid built sheet. Using seat post and handlebar from  frame supplier? not a bad choice.
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: Ludo on September 26, 2024, 09:54:48 AM
Of the two sets of spacers I tried with my bar neither looked right on mine either. I think the only real solution is custom printing some for the 50mm head tube. The Creston bar is made for a Scott. I went back to the Roval bar on my bike which (IMO) looks perfect.

my plan right now:
machine the compression ring
put set screws between comression ring and top cover to move cover back as far as possible (around 1mm to be gained I think) and get a better alignement between the front opf the head tube and the headset cover
file as needed headeset spacers to have a good alignement betwee various spacer in the stack (probablu the headset cover and the 2 thisckiest spacers will be used)

once this is done I think the visual result will be good or at least good enough

Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: fhold on September 26, 2024, 09:59:35 AM
looks like a solid built sheet. Using seat post and handlebar from  frame supplier? not a bad choice.
thanks for the fast response. Yes I would get the complete set from Spycle, I hope to have the least hassle.
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: kubackje on September 26, 2024, 10:07:27 AM
I also plan to do a build based on that frame and would love to get you input on the specs below. Did i miss something/ anything wrong/ what could be improved? It will be my first build ever  ;D so any feedback is much appreciated!

Cheers Flavio

Frame   Spyclce G056 Set
Seatpost   Spyclce G056 Set
Headset   Spyclce G056 Set
Wheels   XMCarbonspeed D40CU-33 T800
Tires   Specialized Pathfinder Pro 38mm or Schwalbe G-One Speed 622-35
Tubes   TPU RideNow allroad
Saddle   ELITA ONE Carbon
Shifters   GRX Shifters 600
Bottom Bracket   Lingmai BB T47  86,5mm
Crankset   SENICX PR3 Gravel Crankset 42T 170mm
Chain   Ztto or YBN 11-S (SL)
Cassette   SROAD 11-42T Monoblock
Rear Derailleur   RD-RX812
Discbrakes (front/back)   BR-RX400
Rotors   Z-Race 160mm

Edited: had a typo in the listing seraph was wrong, it is of course spcycle

I woukd strongly advice going wider tires. I'm on gravel since we rode 30c tires on it (yeah not kidding) and now with sp cycle I run 44c tufo thundero HD and damn those are fast. I can assure You that fat tire with low rolling resistance like tufo or conti terra speed would be faster and better then those 35/38c tires.

dit. GOOOOO TUBELESS! effetto maripossa caffelatex is my sealant of choice
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: fhold on September 26, 2024, 11:52:05 AM
I woukd strongly advice going wider tires. I'm on gravel since we rode 30c tires on it (yeah not kidding) and now with sp cycle I run 44c tufo thundero HD and damn those are fast. I can assure You that fat tire with low rolling resistance like tufo or conti terra speed would be faster and better then those 35/38c tires.

dit. GOOOOO TUBELESS! effetto maripossa caffelatex is my sealant of choice
Appreciate the feedback! I‘ll use the bike primarily for commute with 90% tarmac (not the best) and pavement and 10 percent gravel roads. On the weekends I want to be able to do light gravel. Would you still advise wider tires?
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: kubackje on September 27, 2024, 01:29:24 PM
Appreciate the feedback! I‘ll use the bike primarily for commute with 90% tarmac (not the best) and pavement and 10 percent gravel roads. On the weekends I want to be able to do light gravel. Would you still advise wider tires?

Yes. I do a lot of city riding on my gravel and short trainings around the city and they are mainly on hard surfaces. I got few KOMs on road with my setup. Minimum you should go is 40 really. But 45 is really killing it.
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: Ludo on October 04, 2024, 05:50:51 PM
Well CSC wheels fail. One of the wheel wasn’t holding air well, couldn’t get the tire seated properly (clincher); after much faffing around, at attempt number 6 or 7, I inflated the wheel and started to hear some strange sounds, then the outter skin started bulging. Air got on the spoke hole side and delaminated the carbon I think, one wheel is good for the bin…
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: kubackje on October 06, 2024, 01:45:54 PM
Well CSC wheels fail. One of the wheel wasn’t holding air well, couldn’t get the tire seated properly (clincher); after much faffing around, at attempt number 6 or 7, I inflated the wheel and stated to here some strange sounds, then the pitted skin started bulging. Air got on the spoke hole side and delaminated the carbon I think, one wheel is good for the bin…

CSC wheels are crap. I've wrote about it some time ago, and even was attacked by a Shiller here who had like 5 posts and all about how good those wheels are lol. This was a great confirmation.
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: ChinerStevie on October 10, 2024, 12:50:49 AM
Well CSC wheels fail. One of the wheel wasn’t holding air well, couldn’t get the tire seated properly (clincher); after much faffing around, at attempt number 6 or 7, I inflated the wheel and started to hear some strange sounds, then the outter skin started bulging. Air got on the spoke hole side and delaminated the carbon I think, one wheel is good for the bin…

That sucks. How did you end up with the seller?
Asking cause I ordered similar one which is soon to get here...
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: Ludo on October 10, 2024, 09:12:26 AM
List of back and forth for the moment by no resolution…
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: Ludo on October 29, 2024, 11:45:14 PM
Finally some progress, blank fitting of the syncros creston handlebar; it could be better with some more faffing around but it may just be at that good enough stage. Cut the steerer for max spacer stack height as a starting point.

Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: Dunder on October 31, 2024, 02:12:43 AM
Ludo did you do anything to the open gap at the front (the lowest spacer is bent upwards facing forward)?
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: Ludo on October 31, 2024, 07:38:22 AM
No I haven’t, it’s barely noticeable, maybe 0.5mm if that. I am waiting to compress the headset to see how things look but I believe it would be possible to sand down the bottom spacer to make it almost flat and have everything level. I would then have to sand down further the C ring.
I am quite pleased with the results as is as I was t even sure I could make it work good enough when I bought these handlebars
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: Ludo on October 31, 2024, 09:56:40 PM
He is the picture, the last spacer make everything level, doesn’t have the same shape as the others:
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: Ludo on November 02, 2024, 12:02:39 PM
Still missing a few parts but first time in the natural light
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: jonathanf2 on November 02, 2024, 12:27:17 PM
Still missing a few parts but first time in the natural light

Looking good! What size frame did you get?
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: Ludo on November 02, 2024, 07:15:09 PM
Went for the M
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: Requiem84 on November 03, 2024, 03:20:24 AM
He is the picture, the last spacer make everything level, doesn’t have the same shape as the others:

I really like this handlebar! I see multiple versions of this one on Ali with wildly varying prices. Which one did you get and are you happy with it?
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: Ludo on November 03, 2024, 05:06:37 AM
I bought that one, but it was sub 100$ at the time, after coupon and taxes I paid $91
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mteHnna

I took the rod version because I am not a fan of big flares. As far as quality, I think it ok but the openings for cable routing are tight on the bar, ok on the stem, and they need to be cleaned up.
The other issue is the bottom spacer is super shallow on the down side so the C ring adapter for the steerer need to be very slim, ended up hand filing about 2mm of it, keeps you busy for a while!
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: Ludo on November 27, 2024, 03:39:12 PM
Almost done, just missing bar tape, clear film for frame protection and bottle cages
Went for a check up ride, everything feels good, shifting is good, I need to get use to riding “road” bike as it’s really different from mtb, it will take time to build confidence I think.
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: Ludo on December 17, 2024, 12:44:01 PM
Final weight with pedals (no bottle cage) is 8.17kg, could probably drop below 8kg with better/lighter tires alone I think.
Title: Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
Post by: Ludo on December 21, 2024, 02:32:24 PM
Took the bike for its first proper ride. Enjoyable bike, just disappointed with the crankset, the inside of my ankle connect at times with the crankarm even with cleats offset to the max. I will hav de fit a little spacer, 3-4 mm should be enough