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Chinese Carbon Road Bikes => Cyclocross Frames, Wheels & Components => Topic started by: jonathanf2 on October 09, 2024, 12:03:17 PM
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I'm checking to see if there are any gravel framesets I should put on my radar before the upcoming 11.11 sale? I just need something that's cheap and sturdy. This bike will probably stay mechanical and I'll most likely stay between 38-45c tires.
So far I'm slightly leaning towards the Flyxii FE-806 cyclocross frameset. I like it since it reminds me of the Crux and it's cheap. Flyxii messaged me saying 45c tires should fit and I don't plan riding in the mud.
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804619460838.html (https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804619460838.html)
I'm also looking at the SPCycle SP-G056 gravel frameset or the Ceccotti RF25 frameset variant which seems to be the same. This frame will probably handle better on the trails, but I don't find it a particularly attractive. The Surprise Store on AliEx seems to have the best discounts that can be added to AliEx sales coupons.
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806071494498.html (https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806071494498.html)
Any other carbon frames I should consider? Thanks for the recommendations!
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Airwolf would be on my radar:
https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/1005007046393214.html?src=google&src=google&albch=shopping&acnt=272-267-0231&isdl=y&slnk=&plac=&mtctp=&albbt=Google_7_shopping&aff_platform=google&aff_short_key=UneMJZVf&gclsrc=aw.ds&&albagn=888888&&ds_e_adid=&ds_e_matchtype=&ds_e_device=c&ds_e_network=x&ds_e_product_group_id=&ds_e_product_id=nl1005007046393214&ds_e_product_merchant_id=109199260&ds_e_product_country=NL&ds_e_product_language=nl&ds_e_product_channel=online&ds_e_product_store_id=&ds_url_v=2&albcp=20701318733&albag=&isSmbAutoCall=false&needSmbHouyi=false&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw05i4BhDiARIsAB_2wfCYoSFWSA5lfVOVAs87aeUff-6zI6RUx-mQkLXtH0Kshb7CgSqUGu8aAsJrEALw_wcB
BXT:
https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/1005007195559899.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller.11.26e9pTUGpTUGkH&gps-id=pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller&scm=1007.40196.366991.0&scm_id=1007.40196.366991.0&scm-url=1007.40196.366991.0&pvid=389b4f4a-1a23-41b3-8afb-8a4e3bbd959a&_t=gps-id:pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller,scm-url:1007.40196.366991.0,pvid:389b4f4a-1a23-41b3-8afb-8a4e3bbd959a,tpp_buckets:668%232846%238116%232002&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21EUR%211420.97%21568.39%21%21%211523.18%21609.28%21%40210384b217285045217404593e8c67%2112000039974501559%21rec%21NL%211852096397%21X&utparam-url=scene%3ApcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller%7Cquery_from%3A
Better looking SPCycle:
https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/1005007445331174.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.1000023.15.361czFdezFdeyj&_gl=1*1vshpqa*_gcl_aw*R0NMLjE3Mjg1MDQ1NDcuQ2owS0NRancwNWk0QmhEaUFSSXNBQl8yd2ZDWW9TRldTQTVsZlZPVkFzODdhZVVmZi02ekk2UlV4LW1Ra0xYdEgwS3NoYjdDZ1NxVUd1OGFBc0pyRUFMd193Y0I.*_gcl_dc*R0NMLjE3Mjg1MDQ1NDcuQ2owS0NRancwNWk0QmhEaUFSSXNBQl8yd2ZDWW9TRldTQTVsZlZPVkFzODdhZVVmZi02ekk2UlV4LW1Ra0xYdEgwS3NoYjdDZ1NxVUd1OGFBc0pyRUFMd193Y0I.*_gcl_au*MjUzNDczNDMwLjE3MjUzMDA4Mjc.*_ga*NjE2MzIxNzk1LjE2NjczOTg1MzA.*_ga_VED1YSGNC7*MTcyODUwNDQ0NC4xNTEuMS4xNzI4NTA0NTc5LjI3LjAuMA..&gatewayAdapt=glo2nld
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Airwolf would be on my radar:
https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/1005007046393214.html?src=google&src=google&albch=shopping&acnt=272-267-0231&isdl=y&slnk=&plac=&mtctp=&albbt=Google_7_shopping&aff_platform=google&aff_short_key=UneMJZVf&gclsrc=aw.ds&&albagn=888888&&ds_e_adid=&ds_e_matchtype=&ds_e_device=c&ds_e_network=x&ds_e_product_group_id=&ds_e_product_id=nl1005007046393214&ds_e_product_merchant_id=109199260&ds_e_product_country=NL&ds_e_product_language=nl&ds_e_product_channel=online&ds_e_product_store_id=&ds_url_v=2&albcp=20701318733&albag=&isSmbAutoCall=false&needSmbHouyi=false&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw05i4BhDiARIsAB_2wfCYoSFWSA5lfVOVAs87aeUff-6zI6RUx-mQkLXtH0Kshb7CgSqUGu8aAsJrEALw_wcB
BXT:
https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/1005007195559899.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller.11.26e9pTUGpTUGkH&gps-id=pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller&scm=1007.40196.366991.0&scm_id=1007.40196.366991.0&scm-url=1007.40196.366991.0&pvid=389b4f4a-1a23-41b3-8afb-8a4e3bbd959a&_t=gps-id:pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller,scm-url:1007.40196.366991.0,pvid:389b4f4a-1a23-41b3-8afb-8a4e3bbd959a,tpp_buckets:668%232846%238116%232002&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21EUR%211420.97%21568.39%21%21%211523.18%21609.28%21%40210384b217285045217404593e8c67%2112000039974501559%21rec%21NL%211852096397%21X&utparam-url=scene%3ApcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller%7Cquery_from%3A
Better looking SPCycle:
https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/1005007445331174.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.1000023.15.361czFdezFdeyj&_gl=1*1vshpqa*_gcl_aw*R0NMLjE3Mjg1MDQ1NDcuQ2owS0NRancwNWk0QmhEaUFSSXNBQl8yd2ZDWW9TRldTQTVsZlZPVkFzODdhZVVmZi02ekk2UlV4LW1Ra0xYdEgwS3NoYjdDZ1NxVUd1OGFBc0pyRUFMd193Y0I.*_gcl_dc*R0NMLjE3Mjg1MDQ1NDcuQ2owS0NRancwNWk0QmhEaUFSSXNBQl8yd2ZDWW9TRldTQTVsZlZPVkFzODdhZVVmZi02ekk2UlV4LW1Ra0xYdEgwS3NoYjdDZ1NxVUd1OGFBc0pyRUFMd193Y0I.*_gcl_au*MjUzNDczNDMwLjE3MjUzMDA4Mjc.*_ga*NjE2MzIxNzk1LjE2NjczOTg1MzA.*_ga_VED1YSGNC7*MTcyODUwNDQ0NC4xNTEuMS4xNzI4NTA0NTc5LjI3LjAuMA..&gatewayAdapt=glo2nld
Airwolf seems to have earned a bad rep on here and BXT seems to ignore you if you have issues. I'm good with SPcycle, their shipping is ridiculously fast and my last frame from them has been solid, but I find their paint mediocre. Also I didn't notice the G068. It looks better than the G056 in my opinion. I prefer the seat stay design on the G068 and I don't need fork mounts either. Though it comes in 100g heavier. Maybe the down tube is a bit stiffer? I'll put this one on my radar.
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I'm looking for a boost gravel frame that fits up to 50mm width tires. Anyone see any boost gravel frames on Aliexpress? I could go down to 45 tires.
If I go with a frame that fits smaller width tires. then I'll keep using my present gravel bike frame.
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I'm looking for a boost gravel frame that fits up to 50mm width tires. Anyone see any boost gravel frames on Aliexpress? I could go down to 45 tires.
If I go with a frame that fits smaller width tires. then I'll keep using my present gravel bike frame.
Why not build a rigid boost MTB frame instead? I live in the urban city and close enough to the trails, but I prefer riding from my front door. My gravel needs lean more towards 65/35 road/dirt.
I would keep my current gravel frame as well, but it's from 2017 and I'm concerned there's cracking in the frame. I'm not sure if it's just the paint or actual frame damage. I might try doing a carbon repair job if (damaged) and repaint, but I want to secure a replacement frame if it takes awhile to fix.
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Why not build a rigid boost MTB frame instead? I live in the urban city and close enough to the trails, but I prefer riding from my front door. My gravel needs lean more towards 65/35 road/dirt.
I would keep my current gravel frame as well, but it's from 2017 and I'm concerned there's cracking in the frame. I'm not sure if it's just the paint or actual frame damage. I might try doing a carbon repair job if (damaged) and repaint, but I want to secure a replacement frame if it takes awhile to fix.
Yes, I am already doing this. I reconfigure my Spcycle 29er hardtail frame to: Carbon rigid fork with either flat or "H" bars, or put on my 100mm travel Sid fork with either flat bars or "H' bars. I recently rode a 590 mile Bikepacking ride with this bike using the rigid fork and it was set up to carry all my gear. Worked out great overall.
I want a frame similar to a Salsa Cutthroat that has a shorter wheelbase than a typical rigid 29er, lower BB than a mtb bike, and can handle 50mm tires, preferably with a 148mm boost rear end with shorter rear triangle.
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i have built 3 VB gravel bikes (002 & 003) and Peter Xiamen Carbon Speed's grevil clone. the 002 is mine, and the grevil too. I found the 002 sluggish on the road so i quickly bought a full on road bike, but on gravel i enjoyed it. The grevil is very capable on the road, you dont get bored. When the off road is sketchy, for example on steep stuff, you have to lean forward otherwise you lift off.
I can recommend the grevil clone, it ticks a lot of boxes (T47, 50mm clearance, a zillion mounting options, quality frame from someone who cares, affordable...).
Now, 95+% of my riding is done on the road, so i'm no expert, but still. Nice bike. And Pinarello is praised for its geometry in general, so there's that.
I definitely wouldn't get a frame from airwolf, this forum is full of horror stories, or at the very least, you're pretty much guaranteed to have problems with the frame. And Peter makes wheels too, so you can get all the stuff you need in one box. Idk if he does discounts for 11.11, but it's worth asking :p
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i have built 3 VB gravel bikes (002 & 003) and Peter Xiamen Carbon Speed's grevil clone. the 002 is mine, and the grevil too. I found the 002 sluggish on the road so i quickly bought a full on road bike, but on gravel i enjoyed it. The grevil is very capable on the road, you dont get bored. When the off road is sketchy, for example on steep stuff, you have to lean forward otherwise you lift off.
I can recommend the grevil clone, it ticks a lot of boxes (T47, 50mm clearance, a zillion mounting options, quality frame from someone who cares, affordable...).
Now, 95+% of my riding is done on the road, so i'm no expert, but still. Nice bike. And Pinarello is praised for its geometry in general, so there's that.
I emailed Peter about the CS-GR029 frameset which looks to be the same CX frame from Flyxii (geo matches up). I'd be interested in a gloss finish, since Flyxii doesn't offer paint or gloss. I don't need anything fancy with gravel. I feel like most gravel riders in my area have overdone rigs. They remind me of US off-road enthusiast with overbuilt Jeep or Toyota SUVs, a sh*t ton of accessories bolted on, but only ride to the shopping mall with their worn down knobby tires!
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After looking at a bunch of different framesets, I think I'm leaning towards the Flyxii FE-03.
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806495680162.html (https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806495680162.html)
The geometry nearly matches my SPCycle SP-027D road frame (which rides really well for me), but tweaked for gravel. The FE-806 is a bit off for me geometry-wise and visually the SPCycle SP-G056/G068 don't look that attractive to me once built up. I have a type when it comes to bikes! ;D
Hopefully the 11.11 sale discounts are good this year.
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Airwolf seems to have earned a bad rep on here and BXT seems to ignore you if you have issues. I'm good with SPcycle, their shipping is ridiculously fast and my last frame from them has been solid, but I find their paint mediocre. Also I didn't notice the G068. It looks better than the G056 in my opinion. I prefer the seat stay design on the G068 and I don't need fork mounts either. Though it comes in 100g heavier. Maybe the down tube is a bit stiffer? I'll put this one on my radar.
Did you see the geometry on the G068 ? you are not going to be relaxed on this frame even running a 80mm stem. The G058 is a similar shape to the G056 but with a much more relaxed geometry.
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Did you see the geometry on the G068 ? you are not going to be relaxed on this frame even running a 800mm stem. The G058 is a similar shape to the G056 but with a much more relaxed geometry.
I'm probably going to write-off the G056 and G068. No offense to the owners, but after looking at thread pictures of built frames, I didn't find them visually appealing.
My main priorities are decent fit, price and durability. I do like my current gravel bike, but I'm worried about minor cracks in the head tube/down tube which I'm now monitoring to see if they're expanding. I'm not entirely sure if it's just paint or actual structural damage.
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I'm probably going to write-off the G056 and G068. No offense to the owners, but after looking at thread pictures of built frames, I didn't find them visually appealing.
Very fair point. I built up a g056 for the very reason it didn't look like every other bike out there. It's a bit of a dog going up hills but fast as hell on level gravel/road.
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I'm probably going to write-off the G056 and G068. No offense to the owners, but after looking at thread pictures of built frames, I didn't find them visually appealing.
My main priorities are decent fit, price and durability. I do like my current gravel bike, but I'm worried about minor cracks in the head tube/down tube which I'm now monitoring to see if they're expanding. I'm not entirely sure if it's just paint or actual structural damage.
Everyone has a different taste but imo most people chose ugly paintjobs and spec it with not the best fitting parts. Is a very sporty looking frame with long slammed -17 stem. Also can't agree it's a dog uphill. Mine climbs like a dream. Weight 8.5kg is good for a gravel bike.
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I guess it's subjective, but all else equal, between ordering from Alix and from Peter, I'll always order from Peter because with him, you spoke to a human, you're not just an order number.
I find it very brave to use Alix for frames, given most of the sellers there have the worst reputations (airwolf, all of the fakes, winow that's not exactly world class, and so on).
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I guess it's subjective, but all else equal, between ordering from Alix and from Peter, I'll always order from Peter because with him, you spoke to a human, you're not just an order number.
I find it very brave to use Alix for frames, given most of the sellers there have the worst reputations (airwolf, all of the fakes, winow that's not exactly world class, and so on).
Yyyyy when ordering from sp cycle AliExpress or online shop You also talk with a human and he even has a name and is very helpful. I know you try to shill Peter hard everywhere but lets not make a comedy out of it with false claims like that :)
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Everyone has a different taste but imo most people chose ugly paintjobs and spec it with not the best fitting parts. Is a very sporty looking frame with long slammed -17 stem. Also can't agree it's a dog uphill. Mine climbs like a dream. Weight 8.5kg is good for a gravel bike.
Each to their own opinions I guess. To be fair I ride 80% road so I am comparing climbing with it to my SuperSix, Opera or even a Master I have that was designed in the 80's. Also it's not quite as good climbing as my CrossCheck on or off road but WAY more stable. It's also heavier than yours at about 21lbs with no accessories, 2x SRAM Force AXS and 50mm Elite wheels w/35mm Gravelkings set up tubeless - size large.
I do love the bike and is my daily rider now and I also like the unique look.
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Mine climbs like a dream. Weight 8.5kg is good for a gravel bike.
Personally I will not do such aggressive setup on a gravel bike but gotta agree - that bike does look good. Nice colors too.
I know you try to shill Peter hard everywhere but lets not make a comedy out of it with false claims like that :)
Finally someone said it.
With the amount of shilling going on here for Peter I am kinda apprehensive now and turned off about this whole personified business.
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I'm curious why most these builds with the G056 frameset are coming 8kg plus? My goal is to keep my next gravel build 7.5kg or less. I would love to hit 7kg or less, but I'd have to invest in a new wheelset or go source a Crux frameset. Does the T47 thread inserts plus BB add unnecessary weight?
Finally someone said it.
With the amount of shilling going on here for Peter I am kinda apprehensive now and turned off about this whole personified business.
I did message him regarding one of his frames, but I didn't find his pricing was competitive for what I was looking for. Plus I was quoted additional costs for added components that come included with other sellers. Also I'm starting to find really solid vendors on AliExpress. For example 80 Design Store and Easedon Wheels have been great to work with. AliEx has direct messaging, I don't see how there's no direct customer interaction?
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Regarding 29er hardails for gravel bikes, attached is a pic of frame geometries for my gravel frame versus my 29er hardtail that I often use as a gravel bike.
One can quickly see the frame differences. I am still on a quest to source a Chiner carbon gravel frame that has a boost rear triangle that fits at least 50mm to 2.2 tires, with a wider BB shell, so I can build a 1X12 gravel bike that has gravel bike frame geometry, but with the comfort and shock absorbing features of big tires using MTB 29er low rolling resistance tires.
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Personally I will not do such aggressive setup on a gravel bike but gotta agree - that bike does look good. Nice colors too.
Finally someone said it.
With the amount of shilling going on here for Peter I am kinda apprehensive now and turned off about this whole personified business.
The saddle to bar drop is around 6/7cm so not that aggressive like on a road bike, but to achieve that I needed -17 stem as I run my saddle lower then people my height 187cm ( around 76/77cm). But I am rather team long torso :) I prefer longer reach also therefore 110 stem. This setup allows me to be really comfortable and connected on this bike.
As for Peter I think he has great products and great customer service. So I understand all the recommendation. But I don't see any reason to downplay other manufacturers with false claims. I have only good things to say about sp cycle as a product and customer service and that's albo been an experience of my colleagues.
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I'm curious why most these builds with the G056 frameset are coming 8kg plus? My goal is to keep my next gravel build 7.5kg or less. I would love to hit 7kg or less, but I'd have to invest in a new wheelset or go source a Crux frameset. Does the T47 thread inserts plus BB add unnecessary weight?
It's a gravel bike, not that easy to get it to 7.5kg which is a weight of most TdF bikes. My road bike Scott addict rc with dura ace and many light components including carbon spoked wheels, light tires, TPU tubes, light cassette etc is 7kg without pedals, cages etc. so 7.35kg ready to ride. And that's really good weight. I can only go down more with lightweight carbon crankset (around 200g saving), superlight thru axles and maybe some crazy 100g bare carbon saddle (no way I'm doing that).
My gravel has all the light components also. Light carbon wheels 1420g, sram xx1 cassette and Rd, sram force crankset+ power meter. Only way I could save weight here is go to some crazy light wheels, red crankset, smaller lighter tires and light integrated cockpit. But I still don't think that would get me to 7.5kg from 8.5kg now (without pedals).
Don't get me wrong I'm a weight weenie myself but we all overestimate how much it matters (especially on gravel). I treat weight weeniesm more like a hobby then performance gains nowadays. Even Dylan Johnson who is a marginal gains freak said that out of 4 most important marginal gains weight is at last place. People put so much "weight on weight" because it's the easiest to measure and see for yourself. While things like aero and rolling resistance are a little harder to see and understand for most people.
All that said I still love a feeling of a light snappy road bike :)
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Regarding 29er hardails for gravel bikes, attached is a pic of frame geometries for my gravel frame versus my 29er hardtail that I often use as a gravel bike.
One can quickly see the frame differences. I am still on a quest to source a Chiner carbon gravel frame that has a boost rear triangle that fits at least 50mm to 2.2 tires, with a wider BB shell, so I can build a 1X12 gravel bike that has gravel bike frame geometry, but with the comfort and shock absorbing features of big tires using MTB 29er low rolling resistance tires.
At this point if you can't find it in carbon, why not get a custom titanium frame built to your specs? I've seen carbon forks accommodate 60c tires, you'd just need a titanium frame to match your rear triangle and BB shell requirements. It might take awhile for a Chinese carbon equivalent to be released.
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It's a gravel bike, not that easy to get it to 7.5kg which is a weight of most TdF bikes. My road bike Scott addict rc with dura ace and many light components including carbon spoked wheels, light tires, TPU tubes, light cassette etc is 7kg without pedals, cages etc. so 7.35kg ready to ride. And that's really good weight. I can only go down more with lightweight carbon crankset (around 200g saving), superlight thru axles and maybe some crazy 100g bare carbon saddle (no way I'm doing that).
My gravel has all the light components also. Light carbon wheels 1420g, sram xx1 cassette and Rd, sram force crankset+ power meter. Only way I could save weight here is go to some crazy light wheels, red crankset, smaller lighter tires and light integrated cockpit. But I still don't think that would get me to 7.5kg from 8.5kg now (without pedals).
Don't get me wrong I'm a weight weenie myself but we all overestimate how much it matters (especially on gravel). I treat weight weeniesm more like a hobby then performance gains nowadays. Even Dylan Johnson who is a marginal gains freak said that out of 4 most important marginal gains weight is at last place. People put so much "weight on weight" because it's the easiest to measure and see for yourself. While things like aero and rolling resistance are a little harder to see and understand for most people.
All that said I still love a feeling of a light snappy road bike :)
I do ride anywhere between a 49-to-52cm size frameset which might account for reduced weight. For gravel, I'm not running anything out of ordinary. Elita One seat post, RYET saddle, Spedao cassette, Wellgo SPD pedals, integrated carbon drop bars, 1x GRX RD/calipers paired to Ultegra shifters, Riro crankset, Passquest chainring, Ultegra PF BB, $6 USD disc rotors and a 29er 30x30 carbon disc wheelset on tubeless 38c GK knobbys. Almost everything is off-the-shelf AliEx parts.
Also I know weight isn't everything, I've been dropped on hillclimbs by cyclists who can either output high sustained watts or are lightweight feathers themselves!
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I did message him regarding one of his frames, but I didn't find his pricing was competitive for what I was looking for. Plus I was quoted additional costs for added components that come included with other sellers. Also I'm starting to find really solid vendors on AliExpress. For example 80 Design Store and Easedon Wheels have been great to work with. AliEx has direct messaging, I don't see how there's no direct customer interaction?
Same. You can talk to Elitewheels too. In fact some of the Elitewheels guys seem to be sitting in the USA as they reply in US times. When I bought their wheels, they shipped it from USA thru UPS 3 day. Completely fuss free transaction. I bought Easedon too and there is indeed direct communication with the seller. Vendors like that were always on Aliexpress IMO. I got custom finish, spokes, hubs etc. Spec to spec, the wheels from Peter were straight $150 extra over what I paid on Aliexpress for Easedon because he wanted $100 for shipping v/s $10 for Easedon. And I don't care who made them. It could be Peter, it could be Tommy it could be Jackie Chan even. I understand rim brake wheels are going fast out of fashion but that is some hefty penalty for "personal" service. What do I, as a customer looking to buy one wheelset in a year stand to gain by getting into good books of a seller on Whatsapp? The shilling has reached bonkers level on this forum in last few months.
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Same. You can talk to Elitewheels too. In fact some of the Elitewheels guys seem to be sitting in the USA as they reply in US times. When I bought their wheels, they shipped it from USA thru UPS 3 day. Completely fuss free transaction. I bought Easedon too and there is indeed direct communication with the seller. Vendors like that were always on Aliexpress IMO. I got custom finish, spokes, hubs etc. Spec to spec, the wheels from Peter were straight $150 extra over what I paid on Aliexpress for Easedon because he wanted $100 for shipping v/s $10 for Easedon. And I don't care who made them. It could be Peter, it could be Tommy it could be Jackie Chan even. I understand rim brake wheels are going fast out of fashion but that is some hefty penalty for "personal" service. What do I, as a customer looking to buy one wheelset in a year stand to gain by getting into good books of a seller on Whatsapp? The shilling has reached bonkers level on this forum in last few months.
It is really rediculous, I don't know where the shilling comes from, guys, please check my registered date on this forum, and check the early threads in the vendor discussion & reviews section, and you also can see "More reviews on our products chinertown.com " buttom at the top right of our website, maybe you don't know how this chinertown forum came, you can see earliest posts here, even more posts in "Chinese carbon 29er" and "Chinese Carbon fatty"on MTBR, Peter always just cares about the products quality and service. You guys sent inquiries or asked questions to me, if I didn't reply, I'm so sorry, to you several guys, but no matter PM or email, even just post a question asking me, I replied all of them, right ? Or did I compel you guys to buy stuff from me? No offence.
Different buyers are looking for different target pricing items, at the same time, different vendors have their own company orientation, like Farsports, Light Bicycle, TanTan, Yishun and us. If you don't like our products or service, you can look for proper pricing items somewhere else. If you have bought our products and feel bad on them and think our after-sale serivce horrible, you can say any bad words here or anywhere else, I take that.
I have been doing this business for 14 years, I know what people care, but I can't please everyone and for some reason I have mentioned in my promotion thread we don't sell on aliexpress. As a manufacturer, we attend to many bicycle fair like Interbike and Eorubike, so we have numbers of OEM clients brands to cooperate and service, like Yuanan does. Why I posting here and the only thing I say to my clients especially DIY guys who have bought our products on the forum, if they feel good on our products and our service, leave some pertinent words and do some reviews if possible, to let more guys know and talk about our products, this can help us to make sure we are on the right way to make right stuff.
Thank you for your critical comments, this would help us too. Let products and top service say words.
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It is really rediculous, I don't know where the shilling comes from, guys, please check my registered date on this forum, and check the early threads in the vendor discussion & reviews section, and you also can see "More reviews on our products chinertown.com " buttom at the top right of our website, maybe you don't know how this chinertown forum came, you can see earliest posts here, even more posts in "Chinese carbon 29er" and "Chinese Carbon fatty"on MTBR, Peter always just cares about the products quality and service. You guys sent inquiries or asked questions to me, if I didn't reply, I'm so sorry, to you several guys, but no matter PM or email, even just post a question asking me, I replied all of them, right ? Or did I compel you guys to buy stuff from me? No offence.
Different buyers are looking for different target pricing items, at the same time, different vendors have their own company orientation, like Farsports, Light Bicycle, TanTan, Yishun and us. If you don't like our products or service, you can look for proper pricing items somewhere else. If you have bought our products and feel bad on them and think our after-sale serivce horrible, you can say any bad words here or anywhere else, I take that.
I have been doing this business for 14 years, I know what people care, but I can't please everyone and for some reason I have mentioned in my promotion thread we don't sell on aliexpress. As a manufacturer, we attend to many bicycle fair like Interbike and Eorubike, so we have numbers of OEM clients brands to cooperate and service, like Yuanan does. Why I posting here and the only thing I say to my clients especially DIY guys who have bought our products on the forum, if they feel good on our products and our service, leave some pertinent words and do some reviews if possible, to let more guys know and talk about our products, this can help us to make sure we are on the right way to make right stuff.
Thank you for your critical comments, this would help us too. Let products and top service say words.
I don't think it's anything against you here, Peter :)
You have a good reputation that you have built throughout these years. All clients of you say good things even if they don't end up buying from you. So in summary, we "know how good your product is".
The pricing is always a no question here though users were putting it. There are cases where it's more expensive, others cheaper. It's a no question as some people prefer to pay less, others are comfortable to pay more and have better support/answers. In my case, as I told you back then, I ended up going for Yuanan because they had a cheaper shipping (50% less) but could go to yours on my next build (though as I say usually I'm sourcing everything from the same factory, currently Tantan).
I think here most users are actually pointing the finger to Serge... All the posts we see about him lately mention you which makes it sound "too pushy" in the sense of almost feel like advertising. It may or may not be, I could not care less about it, but I agree it feels "false" seeing all his posts mentioning you.
But again, this is my feeling.
Would I be ok in buying from you? of course I would. Will I? When some of your products fit my interest/my clients interest. Most people here in the forum feel the same I think.
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I don't think it's anything against you here, Peter :)
You have a good reputation that you have built throughout these years. All clients of you say good things even if they don't end up buying from you. So in summary, we "know how good your product is".
The pricing is always a no question here though users were putting it. There are cases where it's more expensive, others cheaper. It's a no question as some people prefer to pay less, others are comfortable to pay more and have better support/answers. In my case, as I told you back then, I ended up going for Yuanan because they had a cheaper shipping (50% less) but could go to yours on my next build (though as I say usually I'm sourcing everything from the same factory, currently Tantan).
I think here most users are actually pointing the finger to Serge... All the posts we see about him lately mention you which makes it sound "too pushy" in the sense of almost feel like advertising. It may or may not be, I could not care less about it, but I agree it feels "false" seeing all his posts mentioning you.
But again, this is my feeling.
Would I be ok in buying from you? of course I would. Will I? When some of your products fit my interest/my clients interest. Most people here in the forum feel the same I think.
Sure. Buying from us or some company else or Aliexpress is all OK to me. I don't say any bad words pointing to any competitor publicly or behind his back. All suppliers should put most effort into better quality and best service, this would move carbon bike business forward. Again, we don't do any shilling stuff, people have their own different choices and voices. We have sponsored several giveaways on this forum since 2015, like frame, rims, wheels, our original intention is to have more guys using Chinese carbon stuff and giving some reviews to make products better and better.
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At this point if you can't find it in carbon, why not get a custom titanium frame built to your specs? I've seen carbon forks accommodate 60c tires, you'd just need a titanium frame to match your rear triangle and BB shell requirements. It might take awhile for a Chinese carbon equivalent to be released.
Been there, done that. I have 2 Waltly TI frames I had manufactured to custom geometry. For these frames, I went the multipurpose route where I went Superboost and have sliders on back. I can fit up to 4.4" wide tires in back and swap the front fork to a rigid fat tire wheel. I use this as my primary Bike camping bike during the summer. It also has a long wheelbase and has a slack HT angle. The only negative is that the frame weighs over a pound more than my carbon HT Carbon frame that I sometimes configure for use as a Bikepacking.
For the gravel frame I am looking for, I want around a 1 KG or less frame. Hard to do in Titanium.
I have a progression of bike types to match my riding needs/styles. Full suspension MTBs, to 29er Hardtails with Suspension fork, to 29er hardtail with rigid fork, to 29er hardtail Bike-camping to 29er fully rigid long distance Bikepacking to (Missing-one I want referenced in this thread), an all gravel road/trail gravel-bike-geometry based Racing bikepacking/day trip, to gravel bike to road bikes. (7 rideable bikes, 2 more bikes in different stages of assembly, due to mixing and matching parts.)
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Been there, done that. I have 2 Waltly TI frames I had manufactured to custom geometry. For these frames, I went the multipurpose route where I went Superboost and have sliders on back. I can fit up to 4.4" wide tires in back and swap the front fork to a rigid fat tire wheel. I use this as my primary Bike camping bike during the summer. It also has a long wheelbase and has a slack HT angle. The only negative is that the frame weighs over a pound more than my carbon HT Carbon frame that I sometimes configure for use as a Bikepacking.
For the gravel frame I am looking for, I want around a 1 KG or less frame. Hard to do in Titanium.
I have a progression of bike types to match my riding needs/styles. Full suspension MTBs, to 29er Hardtails with Suspension fork, to 29er hardtail with rigid fork, to 29er hardtail Bike-camping to 29er fully rigid long distance Bikepacking to (Missing-one I want referenced in this thread), an all gravel road/trail gravel-bike-geometry based Racing bikepacking/day trip, to gravel bike to road bikes. (7 rideable bikes, 2 more bikes in different stages of assembly, due to mixing and matching parts.)
I know of a shop stateside that exclusively works in carbon, but I'm guessing it's going to cost you $$$ to have your bike built.
https://www.montenegromfg.com/ (https://www.montenegromfg.com/)
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Sure. Buying from us or some company else or Aliexpress is all OK to me. I don't say any bad words pointing to any competitor publicly or behind his back. All suppliers should put most effort into better quality and best service, this would move carbon bike business forward. Again, we don't do any shilling stuff, people have their own different choices and voices. We have sponsored several giveaways on this forum since 2015, like frame, rims, wheels, our original intention is to have more guys using Chinese carbon stuff and giving some reviews to make products better and better.
I'm certainly glad you're here and I think it's great we can interact with a seller directly. I think some customers (especially those who are new to the scene) are better served buying from you versus an unknown AliExpress seller. I'm glad that option exist. I do believe other sellers are stepping up their customer service/communication and that's a good thing. :)
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I know of a shop stateside that exclusively works in carbon, but I'm guessing it's going to cost you $$$ to have your bike built.
https://www.montenegromfg.com/ (https://www.montenegromfg.com/)
Before going down this path, I can always purchase a Salsa Cutthroat carbon Frame. The Cutthroat is the baseline for the frame geometry I am looking for, even has a Boost 148 rear frame spacing. Except... I am hoping to find a similar gravel frame via Aliexpress.
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It is really rediculous, I don't know where the shilling comes from, guys, please check my registered date on this forum, and check the early threads in the vendor discussion & reviews section, and you also can see "More reviews on our products chinertown.com " buttom at the top right of our website, maybe you don't know how this chinertown forum came, you can see earliest posts here, even more posts in "Chinese carbon 29er" and "Chinese Carbon fatty"on MTBR, Peter always just cares about the products quality and service. You guys sent inquiries or asked questions to me, if I didn't reply, I'm so sorry, to you several guys, but no matter PM or email, even just post a question asking me, I replied all of them, right ? Or did I compel you guys to buy stuff from me? No offence.
I am not saying you are shilling Peter. YOU are being shilled, practically everywhere at the slightest chance. I am not doubting your product. From what I have read, it appears everyone is quite happy with your product/service. In fact I was considering something myself and when the push started. That made me think twice. Almost sounds like an agenda. I will give you some examples.
A: I am looking at XYZ wheels....
B: Not good, talk to Peter instead, see what he has.
C: Any recommendations for gravel wheels?
D: Peter has the widest wheels!!!
E: Any opinion on these ABC wheels on Aliexpress?
F: Why Aliexpress?! Peter will give better customer service.
Since you replied to this thread, its obvious you read threads other than promotional ones. So I am surprised you haven't noticed this and seem agitated. I started lurking on this forum in 2021 (long after you) and became member in 2022 because I finally made up my mind to buy an open mold frame. Since then I have been a regular here. The point I am making is, no one ever actively pushed their favorite brand/contact person as much as it is being done now. So blatant, so in-your-face.
Any way, this thread has derailed a lot and I have no quarrel with you or anyone else. I am just pointing out things that have changed for worse in recent times.
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To get back on topic, I notice the Flyxii FE-03 and Tan Tan GR040 are exactly the same frameset. I know this frame is a bit old, but the geometry specs seem perfect for me. Though I'd be curious if there are any other frames I should consider that might be a bit newer with similar geometry.
I'm also still waffling between the SPCycle G056 and G068, but the geometry is a bit more drastic. I'd have to go to an LBS to test the fit, because on-paper I should be between an XS and S.