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Chinese Carbon Road Bikes => Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components => Topic started by: womble73 on October 20, 2024, 07:15:19 PM
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Hi All,
I currently run a fuji 2009 original spec in almost new condition, she is the fasted bike I have ever own for a little over 10 years. But I suspect I suffer a lot of lost watts from rolling resistance / crank bearings and not fully tuned setup.
After lots of reading across the web and here in particular is think I have narrowed down to a single Chinese manufacture. Frames I have looked at in no particular order. There were a few other brands but I dismissed them quickly for various reasons:
Trifox - No TT frames
Airwolf - No TT frames
Yoeleo - No TT frames
lightcarbon- No Disc brake versions
Twitter - No TT frames
ICAN - No TT frames
Falco - Can't find a website and alix is all old resellers (I read somewhere the molds have been purchased but no real details)
TanTan - No TT frames
Winspace - No TT frames although the T1550 is close (seat tube angle might be too great)
Winow Sports - TT119 but not sold on the look.
Seraph - TT912 has press in BB. Feels a bit old looks like the TT119
Elves - No reviews on their V frame, only one I could find said it "could" be sloppy and has a max weight limit of 100kg. I am a heavier rider but no there yet. Also looks like very mixed quality from their frames still.
VeloBuild - VB-TT-023 I saw a recent build on here and was also leaning towards this based on their frame reviews before looking at the build-up
The bike is primarily for Full Ironman events. One event per year plus the 1000's of km of training rides (Once a week averaging 100 - 150 kms), the rest is done on a indoor trainer bike.
The planned build will be if I can settle on a frame:
Tektro HD-T910 brakes
Sram force ASX running gear (24 speed) with wireless blips (3d printed mounts for the blips)
EliteWheels Full disc rear, 80s spoked on the front (considered the 3 spoke carbon as well). With maybe an 80 spoked spare rear, for race day if cross winds are too much.
EC90 seat
Now for the questions:
Have I missed any frames that people would recommend? Given Elves was top of my budget for a frame, any higher and I will pickup a western brand (I know) from a local store. But the price point is just too much.
For the people who have built the VB-TT-023 or any other disc brake based TT bike how is the ride after months. Is there anything I should look out for?
With the Alix double 11 sales coming up is it better to get from the website and try to ask for a price match or to get it from the "alix offical store"?
The VB frames in general have mixed reviews but seem to have more +ve reviews than most others who do TT bikes, hence why I am leaning towards them.
This is not going to be a cheap build in local currency but I should have a very competitive bike (maybe no the rider) once all is done and hopefully I get another good 10 years out of the bike.
Thanks for all your input.
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ICAN does have a new TT frame, and it seems the OEM is flybike (the OEM behind carbonda). At least 30mm clearance. The CAD drawing is dated March 2024 so it's very fresh. If you email them you'll get the info.
Speeder also has at least one decent disc model.
What I don't understand is that roadies are all about wider tyres, and TT world isn't, even though they do appear faster. Likewise, 36 or 38cm base bars seem very uncommon although they seem like an obvious way to reduce frontal drag. So I don't understand why it's so hard to find frames that clear wider tyres and why the TT world is still proudly riding 25C tyres.
A concern I have is buying a frame without 32C clearance and it not being future proof. For that, the VB model looks great. 40cm base bar at best though. Also, you can ask Chris for extra spacers and bolts, because by default they won't ship that much stack. I have long legs so I'm likely to need a lot of spacers. The stem has to sit flush with the frame, you can't put spacers underneath like on a road bike.
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Thank you for the input.
I also have concerns around the wheel width. Which is my exact problem with the current bike. It runs 23's and I could probably run a 25 in a pinch. Making replacing the wheel set for something newer a slightly harder task (not impossible).
It seems in the world of triathlon at least they are slow on trickle down modifications like disc brakes and wider tyres, even tho the proof of a wider tyre gives less rolling resistance and disc's only create a small drag increase (where v brakes were hidden in the first place). It is all about the aero drag of the bike (20%) and rider (80%) figures I saw recently. Given triathletes try to spend most of their time in the aero position it is about comfort and control from that position, so I could see why shorter bars could limit the control aspect by having arms too close together.
I completely agree with your comments about the TT bikes being behind. Me wanting something that is "newer tech" costs in western branded frames 3 times as much like the latest P-series or shiv. Both difficult to get in frames but will take 30c and run disc's.
I was unaware of the ICAN frame it does not appear on their website and I have messaged them (Also looking at the flybike it maxes out at 25c on website). No TT bike is appearing on the speeder site either. Could be a GEO thing which seems to happen a lot over this way.
I have been in contact with Chris with regards the bar sizing to ensure that they would fit the tektro brakes and have been happy with the promptness. Thanks for the info on the spacers I will need more as I am planning on going a smaller frame with a shorter crank arms. My current bike is a "slammed" configuration as that is what they did in the day, so I expect the base bars to still be slammed.
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ICAN TT017 https://www.icanbikes.com/Products-list/carbon-tt-bike-frame/
Flybike / Carbonda FM1366
Same frame afaik. Unsure whether one OEMs for the other, or if ICAN may be getting the frames from another OEM. But I suspect it's simple, and Flybike sells to ICAN.
You can email Wing & Crystal about it.
They dont have size Medium until December, apparently.
Tantan does have TT bikes btw.
http://tantancycling.com/index.php?_m=mod_product&_a=view&p_id=1122
TT912, TT913.
Someone on this forum says his TT912 does clear 32C. The 913 is much newer.
Miracle bikes also has TT bikes: http://mira-factory.com/Product/detail/id/14.html (same as Tantan 912, afaik, so probably an open mould?)
On brands, i wouldnt spend money on Trifox Airwolf or twitter. Yoeleo is a brand selling 500 frames for 1000, so not a value play. Lightcarbon is making me anxious with the horrid QC of some of the frames they've shipped to people on this forum - Velobuild, for eg, hasn't had that kind of bad press in years, as far as i can tell on this forum....
Ican is a brand, but the quote i got for the TT017 is competitive, so definitely considering them.
I've built 2 winow frames. Not the biggest fan, better tolerances & better sales rep interaction with Long Teng.
Elves, never.
That's purely my perspective, not meant to be gospel.
Me wanting something that is "newer tech" costs in western branded frames 3 times as much like the latest P-series or shiv. Both difficult to get in frames but will take 30c and run disc's.
Do you mean that there are brands that are up to date in terms of tyre width best practices, and they're so niche they're even more expensive than Specialized and the likes? Very curious to see their products & marketing.
I don't want to sound like a coolaid drinker, but i've rebuilt my rim supersix hi mod with 25mm (expensive) tubulars, whole bike weighs 6kg, and done a couple of rides on it, after riding my LT268 for the whole season. It feels bad descending because it's jittery AF (tyres), it feels bad on bad tarmac (tyres), i'm not materially faster uphill (comparing max efforts). That frame is the himod model from 2015, which Sagan raced on (ie highest tier carbon). Wheels are Campagnolo bora one. Sram red crank. Expensive tubulars. Rebuilt myself. And it feels great to ride a 6kg bike, and on good asphalt, you're tempted to surge out of the saddle on every little climb, i feels super stiff & agile (probably mostly because of the 105psi tyres and 6kg weight), vs my Tractor is just that: a tractor. The tractor climbing at 10kmh doesnt feel as nice. But it's at worst not slower uphill (limited data, but i doubt i'm wrong), and absolutely faster downhill & on the flat (quite dramatically).
I also sold earlier in the year my giant propel set up with 25mm GP5000 clinchers because the Tractor was so much nicer to ride on the same roads so i figured i wouldn't really want to ride the giant anymore.
And so, it bothers me to hear that TT / triathlon dudes are happy with 23 and 25mm tyres. Especially triathletes, where the whole point is to do a sustainable effort and getting every bit of speed out of a given effort (rather than maybe a short TT where somehow you feel like, maybe like a hill climb, that you want a super stiff bike blablabla. You can't underplay comfort in triathlon context.
Btw, 36cm bars are shit to sprint with, but i'd rather go downhill with my tractor w 36cm bars than my supersix with 42cm bars. You dont need wide bars to control a descent, and very few routes / races where you take your TT bike have sketchy downhills. But every second of every minute where you have a 40 or 42cm bar vs a 36cm one, you have more frontal area catching the wind and doing nothing for you.
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Hi All,
I currently run a fuji 2009 original spec in almost new condition, she is the fasted bike I have ever own for a little over 10 years. But I suspect I suffer a lot of lost watts from rolling resistance / crank bearings and not fully tuned setup.
After lots of reading across the web and here in particular is think I have narrowed down to a single Chinese manufacture. Frames I have looked at in no particular order. There were a few other brands but I dismissed them quickly for various reasons:
Trifox - No TT frames
Airwolf - No TT frames
Yoeleo - No TT frames
lightcarbon- No Disc brake versions
Twitter - No TT frames
ICAN - No TT frames
Falco - Can't find a website and alix is all old resellers (I read somewhere the molds have been purchased but no real details)
TanTan - No TT frames
Winspace - No TT frames although the T1550 is close (seat tube angle might be too great)
Winow Sports - TT119 but not sold on the look.
Seraph - TT912 has press in BB. Feels a bit old looks like the TT119
Elves - No reviews on their V frame, only one I could find said it "could" be sloppy and has a max weight limit of 100kg. I am a heavier rider but no there yet. Also looks like very mixed quality from their frames still.
VeloBuild - VB-TT-023 I saw a recent build on here and was also leaning towards this based on their frame reviews before looking at the build-up
The bike is primarily for Full Ironman events. One event per year plus the 1000's of km of training rides (Once a week averaging 100 - 150 kms), the rest is done on a indoor trainer bike.
The planned build will be if I can settle on a frame:
Tektro HD-T910 brakes
Sram force ASX running gear (24 speed) with wireless blips (3d printed mounts for the blips)
EliteWheels Full disc rear, 80s spoked on the front (considered the 3 spoke carbon as well). With maybe an 80 spoked spare rear, for race day if cross winds are too much.
EC90 seat
Now for the questions:
Have I missed any frames that people would recommend? Given Elves was top of my budget for a frame, any higher and I will pickup a western brand (I know) from a local store. But the price point is just too much.
For the people who have built the VB-TT-023 or any other disc brake based TT bike how is the ride after months. Is there anything I should look out for?
With the Alix double 11 sales coming up is it better to get from the website and try to ask for a price match or to get it from the "alix offical store"?
The VB frames in general have mixed reviews but seem to have more +ve reviews than most others who do TT bikes, hence why I am leaning towards them.
This is not going to be a cheap build in local currency but I should have a very competitive bike (maybe no the rider) once all is done and hopefully I get another good 10 years out of the bike.
Thanks for all your input.
Hongfu also has a good tt frame with disc brakes, but also a little older.
Regarding rear tire size 28 mm is the normal width on current bikes (what i see on other setups)
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Thanks all,
Some other useful frames to compare. Lucky I have time to work through the pros and cons of them all. Sorry for all the questions, my bike knowledge is a little out of date.
I notice the BB of all the other frames are BB386 or BB86 both of which are press fit (is it considered old tech now?). Given this is my first bike build since the 90's (yes I am an old fecker), I was steering towards a frame with the T47 BB.
People talk about frame creaking (misaligned) with the BB386 / BB86 and also that if pressed incorrectly can damage the carbon, crack the frame etc..
But on the other hand the T47 isn't without it problems with alignment being one of the biggest issues and causing drag on the crank bearings. The other being ali bonding to the carbon is difficult. Given this is a high load area that is a little concerning.
Anyone have some real life experience with the different frame tolerances in that area between press fit and screw fit?
BB creak on the frames and tight crank normally requiring a little more effort (a slight love tap with a hammer) to get in place.
Thank you all once again for your knowledge.
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I notice the BB of all the other frames are BB386 or BB86 both of which are press fit (is it considered old tech now?). Given this is my first bike build since the 90's (yes I am an old fecker), I was steering towards a frame with the T47 BB.
People talk about frame creaking (misaligned) with the BB386 / BB86 and also that if pressed incorrectly can damage the carbon, crack the frame etc..
But on the other hand the T47 isn't without it problems with alignment being one of the biggest issues and causing drag on the crank bearings. The other being ali bonding to the carbon is difficult. Given this is a high load area that is a little concerning.
Anyone have some real life experience with the different frame tolerances in that area between press fit and screw fit?
BB creak on the frames and tight crank normally requiring a little more effort (a slight love tap with a hammer) to get in place.
Thank you all once again for your knowledge.
BB386 / BB86 shouldnt be used to run DUB / 30mm spindles (bearings end up too thin & dont last). So T47 is more versatile / more modern.
Assuming the OEM that made the frame is competent enough, BB386 / BB86 is fine. Peak Torque has recently mentioned that Shimano BB (the ghetto 2 plastic cups version) is the unsung hero of BB386 / BB86, because it's very forgiving of poor QC / manufacturing tolerances. I've been using ZTTO alu sleeves BB (2 bits that screw together) for all the BB386 / BB86 frames i've built (on the giant propel i rebuilt there was a rivet in the way so i had to use a shimano in fact), and i've now been using liqui moly 3312 on every conceivable surface, and it's been great. Mechanically, an alu sleeve should be stiffer than the Shimano cups, and it's cheap and easy to order from Alix.
So. All else equal, get the T47 because it's more versatile & future proof. But if you prefer frame A over B, and only B has T47, then dont worry and get A.
And re. Tavelo, nobody should be forced to use shimano cups or remove material themselves from a BB area to prevent the frame from cracking when installing a BB, that's just a farce, especially for the cost. Just dont buy Tavelo.
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BB386 / BB86 shouldnt be used to run DUB / 30mm spindles (bearings end up too thin & dont last). So T47 is more versatile / more modern.
Assuming the OEM that made the frame is competent enough, BB386 / BB86 is fine. Peak Torque has recently mentioned that Shimano BB (the ghetto 2 plastic cups version) is the unsung hero of BB386 / BB86, because it's very forgiving of poor QC / manufacturing tolerances. I've been using ZTTO alu sleeves BB (2 bits that screw together) for all the BB386 / BB86 frames i've built (on the giant propel i rebuilt there was a rivet in the way so i had to use a shimano in fact), and i've now been using liqui moly 3312 on every conceivable surface, and it's been great. Mechanically, an alu sleeve should be stiffer than the Shimano cups, and it's cheap and easy to order from Alix.
So. All else equal, get the T47 because it's more versatile & future proof. But if you prefer frame A over B, and only B has T47, then dont worry and get A.
Just a note here - BB386 is not the same as BB86. BB386 is designed for oversize (29/30mm) axles and works just fine with them, they use regular size bearings. As a result, it's probably the most future-proof of the press-fit standards.
There has been some caution around using BB86 and SRAM DUB cranks due to the use of undersize bearings. While this is theoretically an issue, many brands that use them across a wide variety of frames (Canyon, Scott, Giant and Merida are probably the biggest brands that use it widely) don't seem to have any issues. I have no practical experience in this respect thing.
I agree with the conclusion though, bottom bracket type shouldn't really play a major role in frame choice. Press-fit is easy to deal with, and there's a variety of kits on AliExpress that make the process very simple (arguably no harder than threading in).
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Just a note here - BB386 is not the same as BB86. BB386 is designed for oversize (29/30mm) axles and works just fine with them, they use regular size bearings. As a result, it's probably the most future-proof of the press-fit standards.
There has been some caution around using BB86 and SRAM DUB cranks due to the use of undersize bearings. While this is theoretically an issue, many brands that use them across a wide variety of frames (Canyon, Scott, Giant and Merida are probably the biggest brands that use it widely) don't seem to have any issues. I have no practical experience in this respect thing.
I agree with the conclusion though, bottom bracket type shouldn't really play a major role in frame choice. Press-fit is easy to deal with, and there's a variety of kits on AliExpress that make the process very simple (arguably no harder than threading in).
HM, i am an old school guy and also in the market of a tt frame....i do not like those pressfit bb, t47 would be a great choice or back to bsa...i have the best results with these kind of bbs...
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I don't want to sound like a coolaid drinker, but i've rebuilt my rim supersix hi mod with 25mm (expensive) tubulars, whole bike weighs 6kg, and done a couple of rides on it, after riding my LT268 for the whole season. It feels bad descending because it's jittery AF (tyres), it feels bad on bad tarmac (tyres), i'm not materially faster uphill (comparing max efforts). That frame is the himod model from 2015,
I have the same bike with probably 30,000 km on it (bought new in 2014 full w/full Ultegra). My climbing times were better than compared to now as well as my sprint but it is NOWHERE as fast (flats/downhill) as this new g056 with gravelking tires and I am a little heavier and lower FTP :o. To be honest it wasn't as fast on flats as my older Pinarello race bike that had 60mm HED tubs.
I am going to be more road focused though. Just confirmed with Peter on the new road frame they have CS-R01. Chain stay is about 42mm at the tire so my goldylocks 35mm tires should fit !
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Womble73 any update on what you have decided?
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i picked up a velobuild VB-TT-023. Still waiting on my wheels to turn up but most of the bike is put together. Only issue I have seen with the frame so far is the water bottle mount to the seat post wont fit a screw due to the hole not being round. A little bit of sanding should fix this.
The crank alignment was as perfect it required very little force to get the crank installed in the BB.
The headset is a little tight to get the cabling through. I am using SRAM wireless so only need to worry about two cables but even those took some effort to get around the bends.
Brakes all mounted up fine on the threads. All bottle holder threads are nice and clean.
Not tried the seat mounting yet.
When I tightened the hanger on the back the alignment of the thread is slightly off, ie: a little harder to hand tighten but nothing of a concern.
All in all I am very happy with the frame but until my wheels turn up I wont know how it rides. Attached is a picture of its current state.
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Looking forward to seeing the progress on this build, as I'm currently debating building up a Triathlon/TT frame too!
I see ICAN has released the a new TT017 as Serge_K mentioned. I've reached out to ICAN to see if they have any images of what it looks like as a full build.
I'm guessing as it's a newly released frame it's likely there aren't many in the wild, but if anyone does make a move on one I'd be keen to see/hear thoughts!
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Looking forward to seeing the progress on this build, as I'm currently debating building up a Triathlon/TT frame too!
I see ICAN has released the a new TT017 as Serge_K mentioned. I've reached out to ICAN to see if they have any images of what it looks like as a full build.
I'm guessing as it's a newly released frame it's likely there aren't many in the wild, but if anyone does make a move on one I'd be keen to see/hear thoughts!
+1 on both topics!
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Looking forward to seeing the progress on this build, as I'm currently debating building up a Triathlon/TT frame too!
I see ICAN has released the a new TT017 as Serge_K mentioned. I've reached out to ICAN to see if they have any images of what it looks like as a full build.
I'm guessing as it's a newly released frame it's likely there aren't many in the wild, but if anyone does make a move on one I'd be keen to see/hear thoughts!
Did you receive any pictures of the TT017? I have been asking questions on this frame and about to buy it. I like this over the TT016 and they say its a T47 BB.
What is the maximum tyre size this frame will take? ICAN are selling Discs that run 25C to 32C so I would hope the new frame would accommodate this.
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Hello, a little background, I am a French cyclist who competes and I am looking for a recent time trial bike that does not cost an arm and a leg. A UCI TT frame that is not from 2010 costs at least 3000 euros even second-hand and I expected a lot from the Van Rysel UCI but 7700 euros for a bike with a double 52-36 chainring and no lenticular wheel ... so I am looking for something else.
The Velobuild TT-023 was the best option but they have been leading everyone for almost a year by saying "in the process of UCI certification" and in any case the ican frame and cockpit are cheaper while being better designed (especially for the handlebars)
I then asked the seller a few questions: ican frames I asked them if the frame was or was going to be UCI and the answer: "no but OEM customers may do it" and I am waiting for their return for their contact. At the same time I contacted icanbikes to get more insight into the cockpit and to find out if I could mount the deda jet extensions that I already have (I mount them on my rcr to have a cheap time trial) So I'm sharing the photos I received, I'm sure it will be useful to others. (Some measurements are useless, the language barrier and the fact that the person who answers me doesn't seem to know anything about cycling doesn't help)
PS if Chinese manufacturers come by, young competitors absolutely need a cheap, modern UCI time trial frame
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Great info.
It looks like the plate at the top of the riser has the holes to accept the aero bars/poles is one piece? Is the top plate easily removable and another one could be fitted so that other aero bars can be used?
I like the ICAN TT017 base bars that are in line with the top tube and single riser, but I prefer different aero bars than the poles. Something like the molded Fast TT type bars which are fixed to a plate. Even the window AliExpress ones
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mq1ymWx
I have been going back and forth with ICAN asking questions and understand your frustration. I have experience at work trying to communicate over emails on a technical level. It’s best not to ask too many questions per email.
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I have the following to contribute to the comparison between Ican and Velobuild:
- The basebar from Ican is always 420mm wide, VB offers several sizes.
- The basebar and stem are proprietary and cannot be easily interchanged. This is possible with VB.
- With VB you can choose different sizes and angles (10 and 15 degrees) for the restbars.
- VB's paint job costs significantly less than ICAN's.
- There is a lot more of information about VB, about the ICAN i couldnt find any build thread.
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I have the following to contribute to the comparison between Ican and Velobuild:
- The basebar from Ican is always 420mm wide, VB offers several sizes.
- The basebar and stem are proprietary and cannot be easily interchanged. This is possible with VB.
- With VB you can choose different sizes and angles (10 and 15 degrees) for the restbars.
- VB's paint job costs significantly less than ICAN's.
- There is a lot more of information about VB, about the ICAN i couldnt find any build thread.
ICAN have said the base bar is 400mm.
Does velobuild use a stem and conventional 38mm clamp?
The front end of TT bikes is where everyone wants to have adjustments and customise. Options of angles would be nice. This is why I asked above about the plate and if this can be removed to customise. For me I don’t think there are anyTT bikes that I would want to keep the standard aero bars. But that’s my preference.
Do you have a velobuild? Are you happy with it? I have been looking at them but thought the reviews on the ICAN seemed better build quality than the velobuild.
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IF, and only if you wanna push your luck, you may consider TT-x38 as it looks close enough like Foil and slap on fake UCI sticker.
Sebastian Kienle modified his Scott Foil for the Norseman Tri, and it looks close enough to prev gen Plasma. X38 have internal routed cabling thats compatible with ACR/DCR stems like Deda Vinci, Deda Superbox, Mosso ST-08 , and then you can slap on Winow's TT cockpit.
However due to the lack of toptube boss holes, you need to use doublesided tape to stick some bento box.
Your next possible luck is in hopefully XDS selling their TT framesets
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Its 420mm and its Just one Size. https://www.icanbikes.com/de/liste-der-produkte-2/carbon-tt-fahrradrahmen/#
They also told me by Email.
I dont have the Velobuild but it seems like its a 31,8mm Diameter stem.
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For the angle adjustment on the ican TT017 we can see that they provide an angle that seems to be 10° and the basic one installed seems to be 15 or 20° but even if I asked them the angle they don't understand.
After that, the design doesn't seem so easy to adapt extensions to the monoriser, because if they don't supply an angle, it must be possible to easily model a part, and if not, to adapt extensions to the original plate, you'd just have to cut out the round sleeves that house their horrible round extensions.
Otherwise, chrono's xds frame would be a superb opportunity if they offered it for sale internationally.
Or a new construction of the van rysel xcr UCI that would be more relevant to riders.
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For the angle adjustment on the ican TT017 we can see that they provide an angle that seems to be 10° and the basic one installed seems to be 15 or 20° but even if I asked them the angle they don't understand.
After that, the design doesn't seem so easy to adapt extensions to the monoriser, because if they don't supply an angle, it must be possible to easily model a part, and if not, to adapt extensions to the original plate, you'd just have to cut out the round sleeves that house their horrible round extensions.
Otherwise, chrono's xds frame would be a superb opportunity if they offered it for sale internationally.
Or a new construction of the van rysel xcr UCI that would be more relevant to riders.
Now you point this out I have concerns about buying the TT017. ICAN tell me they will not change the plate that the poles fix into. This means that you have no choice to change the aerobars and have to use the proprietary ones. I have told them this that this design is restrictive and likely to limit sales. Hopefully they get the message.
I have asked them again to look into this and to provide more info on how this piece is fixed to the mono riser to see if I can use something else or make something.
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Here are links to videos of the TT017 mono riser and frame that ICAN sent me.
https://youtu.be/_6v1JcSRA2Y
https://youtu.be/fV2XZCbM1mA
ICAN say you can install the plate with the poles connections directly to the mono riser without the angle spacer to make it horizontal.
I'm still leaning towards this bike despite the front end issue. I will either add my own plate to attach aero bars or cut off the pole connections if its possible and not too ugly. If I do I will post a build thread on this bike.
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icanbikes has updated its tt017 page: https://www.icanbikes.com/fr/liste-des-produits/cadre-de-velo-en-carbone-tt/
We see more detailed photos and even a video and frankly the bike looks great. We see that the mono riser system is super simple. And (I hope they will) if they provide pieces with different angles (the classic 10/15/20/25° and flat mounting is simple just do not put a spacer angle) it will be a great system.
For the plate with the pads and pole holders, I think we could cut out the pole holders, which for me are neither aesthetically pleasing nor ergonomic, and use the holes on the plate (originally used to fix the pads) to fix one-piece extenders.
For 950 USD delivered in Europe, this frame is far better value than the velobuild (1250USD) as long as velobuild is not UCI.
Triexpress, it would be great if you could make this because I'm very interested in doing the same thing (we can't see the video or the link you referred to at the beginning of your message).
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icanbikes has updated its tt017 page: https://www.icanbikes.com/fr/liste-des-produits/cadre-de-velo-en-carbone-tt/
We see more detailed photos and even a video and frankly the bike looks great. We see that the mono riser system is super simple. And (I hope they will) if they provide pieces with different angles (the classic 10/15/20/25° and flat mounting is simple just do not put a spacer angle) it will be a great system.
For the plate with the pads and pole holders, I think we could cut out the pole holders, which for me are neither aesthetically pleasing nor ergonomic, and use the holes on the plate (originally used to fix the pads) to fix one-piece extenders.
For 950 USD delivered in Europe, this frame is far better value than the velobuild (1250USD) as long as velobuild is not UCI.
Triexpress, it would be great if you could make this because I'm very interested in doing the same thing (we can't see the video or the link you referred to at the beginning of your message).
I updated my post to say they confirmed the mounting after your post just to clarify if anyone is trying to follow this thread.
I got hit by an e-bike while training which destroyed my bike. hence looking into the build of a new bike. I have a few medical bills to pay for and waiting on the Mrs to agree releasing the funds to purchase from ICAN ;D
I agree this bike looks the best and good value. ICAN seem to have good reviews too.
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I recently tried to get a quote for the TT017 but ICAN replied to me and said:
Hello
We noticed your interest in our TT017 frame, but unfortunately, it is already represented in Germany. Instead, we'd like to introduce you to the TT016—an excellent alternative with many of the same features.
Why Choose TT016?
High Performance: Same advanced carbon fiber technology as TT017, delivering lightweight and stiffness.
Versatility: Slightly more adaptable geometry, suitable for Time Trial .
https://www.icanbikes.com/Products-list/carbon-time-trail-frame-tt016/
We're confident the TT016 will be a hit in your need , price is 850USD/set .Including frame , fork ,seat post , TT bar , headsets .
M size disc brake on stock .
Paint cost 85USD for full one color .
Was a bit confused about this and didnt try to follow up on the TT017 because it sounded pretty clear to me that they dont want to sell it.
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I recently tried to get a quote for the TT017 but ICAN replied to me and said:
Hello
We noticed your interest in our TT017 frame, but unfortunately, it is already represented in Germany. Instead, we'd like to introduce you to the TT016—an excellent alternative with many of the same features.
Why Choose TT016?
High Performance: Same advanced carbon fiber technology as TT017, delivering lightweight and stiffness.
Versatility: Slightly more adaptable geometry, suitable for Time Trial .
https://www.icanbikes.com/Products-list/carbon-time-trail-frame-tt016/
We're confident the TT016 will be a hit in your need , price is 850USD/set .Including frame , fork ,seat post , TT bar , headsets .
M size disc brake on stock .
Paint cost 85USD for full one color .
Was a bit confused about this and didnt try to follow up on the TT017 because it sounded pretty clear to me that they dont want to sell it.
Sounds like the TT017 frame is already sold in Germany most likely under another name and probably have an agreement not to compete in that market.
The TT016 looks OK but doesn't have the mono riser. Some may prefer that frame than the TT017. There is a nice picture of the TT016 under reviews on the link they gave you.
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The TT016 looks OK but doesn't have the mono riser. Some may prefer that frame than the TT017. There is a nice picture of the TT016 under reviews on the link they gave you.
should try negotiate if possible to have the TT017 cockpit swap/upgrade for tt016 order
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The tt016 is old AF. If you figure out how much it costs to ship a frame between EU countries, you can ship it to a friend abroad and he then ships it to you. I think it can cost 100 eur to ship such a large box though.
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Alternatively one of those fake bolides seem interesting albeit expensive and kinda a shitty cockpit.
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I have pulled the trigger on the ICAN TT017 with wheels.
Just need to wait for it to turn up and I will report back. I may do a build post if I have time.
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The ICAN TT017 frame looks like Shit tt or? https://www.specialized.com/de/de/s-works-shiv-tt-module/p/4221549?color=5441176-4221549
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The ICAN TT017 frame looks like Shit tt or? https://www.specialized.com/de/de/s-works-shiv-tt-module/p/4221549?color=5441176-4221549
Yeah, the front end looks similar. Not the rear though.
I have been looking at different models to see if there are any matches but it looks like it has similarities of all sorts of bikes.
The way the forks and head set tube flare's out where they meet, and the curve in the frame for the front wheel is similar to the Trek and Orbea. The rear is similar to Canyon Speedmax CFR TT, but not the chainstay, also the Orbea. The Merida Time warp also has similarities
https://www.orbea.com/au-en/bicycles/triathlon/ordu/cat/ordu-m30iltd
https://www.canyon.com/en-au/speedmax-cfr-tt/3484.html
https://www.trekbikes.com/au/en_AU/bikes/road-bikes/triathlon-bikes/speed-concept/speed-concept-slr-9/p/35757/?colorCode=reddark_black
https://www.merida-bikes.com/en/bike/4885/time-warp-tri-limited
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man, just want an affordable fast frame to fit me at 195cm (about 90cm inseam), so much digging to try to find a bunch of maybes. I'd like to keep a stock-ish cockpit that is adjustable. Any other tall folks that have knowledge? I'd like to get a used (newish disc model) speed concept or p-series frameset but nobody seems to be only selling frame/fork/cockpits on marketplace (and they want an arm and a leg), especially in the us.