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Other Resources => After The Ride => Topic started by: Tijoe on November 06, 2024, 10:08:40 AM
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I am thinking of purchasing more consumables and a few key higher end items during the 11-11 sale because there is a high probability that next year we will have to pay a 20% tariff on all of our imported items in the USA, based on what the new administration has stated they will do. If this really happens It will make me cut way back on many purchases. I wont be able to afford a 20% price increase on everything that is imported and that I consume.
Thoughts?
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right now everything shipped direct <$800 gets an exemption, so that has to pass first. it's already been submitted to Congress so if it passes, you'll probably pay more even while Biden is still in office. higher Trump tariffs will be on top of that.
like I said in a 11/11 thread, the window of opportunity is rapidly closing. we'll be back to shopping for second hand di2 on ebay in no time, sorry //doom
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I would out of principle. If it's a standard you know won't be replaced anytime soon, I'd stock up on tubes, mech hangers, cables, cleats, maybe chains... Not against trump in particular, but IMO there will be a point where either aliexpress falls off or gets banned/taxed so bad it's not worth it anymore (I think it already happened in brazil and it will happen in the west eventually)
Same with non perishable pantry if you ask me. If you have the space, it's a nobrainer to havea room full of pasta/toilet paper/other necessities. If it can't go bad, no reason not to stock it
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A room full of pasta because buying cheap crap from aliexpress is no longer viable?
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A room full of pasta because buying cheap crap from aliexpress is no longer viable?
Maybe Joe will start carrying cheap pasta, win/win. looking forward to his pasta reviews on youtube.
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I'm almost debating buying two framesets, an electronic groupset and maybe some wheels.
How's this going to affect big corporations such as Amazon and Tesla? Tesla is rumored to use a large majority of Chinese made components and then shipped to the US for assembly. So basically it's just the average Joe getting screwed over?
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I'm almost debating buying two framesets, an electronic groupset and maybe some wheels.
How's this going to affect big corporations such as Amazon and Tesla? Tesla is rumored to use a large majority of Chinese made components and then shipped to the US for assembly. So basically it's just the average Joe getting screwed over?
name one tariff where the average Joe wasn't getting screwed over. it's always about value transfer from consumers to domestic or favored foreign producers
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Of course, that's how it always is, the import cost will just be passed onto you and they'll probably use it as an excuse to raise prices beyond covering the tariff ccosts
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A room full of pasta because buying cheap crap from aliexpress is no longer viable?
No i was drawing an unrelated comparison. You should have spare pasta and TP for years because prices can only rise and it won't perish anyway. Apply same logic for bike parts you are certain you will eventually need like chains, cables etc
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Maybe Hecho en Mexico open mold frames and carbon wheels could become a thing.
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Maybe Hecho en Mexico open mold frames and carbon wheels could become a thing.
I'd totally sport an Especializado frame from Mexico! ;D
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right now everything shipped direct <$800 gets an exemption, so that has to pass first. it's already been submitted to Congress so if it passes, you'll probably pay more even while Biden is still in office. higher Trump tariffs will be on top of that.
like I said in a 11/11 thread, the window of opportunity is rapidly closing. we'll be back to shopping for second hand di2 on ebay in no time, sorry //doom
I don't think that this change will directly affect bicycle parts. Imports that fall under Section 301, Section 201, or Section 232 trade enforcement actions are the focus of the Biden administration. (textiles, apparel, solar panels, batteries, certain chemicals and other restricted items.)
I may spend some time looking at bicycle clothing, and some additional camping gear for 11-11, because clothing, apparel, and textiles of any sort will no longer fall under the minimus exemption.
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I'd totally sport an Especializado frame from Mexico! ;D
El Cid Tizona frame would be muy caliente.
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El Cid Tizona frame would be muy caliente.
Depends in if, and percentage of a tariff is applied to goods from Mexico and Canada.
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right now everything shipped direct <$800 gets an exemption, so that has to pass first. it's already been submitted to Congress so if it passes, you'll probably pay more even while Biden is still in office. higher Trump tariffs will be on top of that.
like I said in a 11/11 thread, the window of opportunity is rapidly closing. we'll be back to shopping for second hand di2 on ebay in no time, sorry //doom
I also want to add that for bicycle parts, taking away the consumer's ability to direct/"close to direct" purchase lower cost items from manufacturers/Aliexpress stores. we are forced to go through 2 additional mark ups that really aren't a value add for the consumer. Importers and distributors From my perspective, these extra steps have little value add in our modern distribution system for consumers. Used to be that distributors actually purchased, and held in inventory, large volumes of consumables that were then distributed to the retailers. (an outcome of "lean manufacturing") Now distributors often don't carry any significant inventories.
There are very few "manufacturers" of bike parts in the USA. Seems like when any of them become successful they are purchased by one of the "international Big boys" and then their manufacturing is shifted out of the country anyways. USA distributors and importers like this system because it is easy money for them. They lobby for exemption from tariffs and duties and get them. Bicycle industry is less than 0.5% of our GDP, so legislators really don't care about this industry and weather or not bicycles are manufactured outside the USA. But they blanket legislate and include this industry with others, then at a later date, give exemptions.
Edit: I might add that "We on Chinertown" are a very-very-very small percentage of people who build and ride their own bikes. Most of us are unique when compared to the average consumer. We love to purchase our own parts, build the bikes and then ride them. This is a hobby for most of us. Therefore, we are often penalized some way when we figure out a way to "cut-out the middlemen" to support our hobby. The large corporations are greedy and want every penny they can squeeze out of us.
2nd edit: As hobbies go, yes I can survive and ride only one bicycle, but because this is a hobby, I enjoy having many bikes. If the hobby becomes to expensive relative to my lifestyle, then, yes I can ride "one marked up expensive locally purchased bike" rather then 10 hobby built bicycles. If the cost to me to support my hobby goes up too much, then I will find a less expensive hobby. This is one of the consequences of tariffs. The consumer pays more, but we then make the choice to stop purchasing these items.
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I am planning to accelerate some planned purchases this week or next. I am not going to stock up on consumables though, as the tech is evolving fast enough that it doesn't matter for most items vs. their lifetime that it doesn't make sense to buy those and stash them for a year or more. (i.e., sitting on a stash of tires and chains beyond having spares on hand isn't worth it).
I don't think we will see immediate action on the blanket tariff front. HTS codes are pretty complicated, and I expect to see a lot of lobbying for special treatment. Tariffs broadly applied will be like a sales tax, i think a very aggressive selective tariff regime designed to favor specific US industries is more likely as they can also be designed to limit the impact to things that effect the perceived cost of living (e.g., food). I also think a blanket tariff on all imported goods, while legally possible via executive order, would likely go to the courts because the courts made up the "major questions doctrine" to kill Biden's student loan forgiveness, and they can expect lawsuits using that same doctrine for any blanket policy unless its a law passed by congress.
If it ends up being more of a piecemeal implementation of tariffs and they do it by codes, I am hoping that it takes a while to get around to bike parts. However, an executive order to close the de minimus limit of $800 / day for imports to be tax-free is likely to happen sooner rather than later. It's already been drafted and considered by the Biden administration. This will affect many of us who buy from places like Aliexpress or sellers shipping from direct China, as we won't find our goods coming through tariff-free. We will find that we will be paying the 25% already imposed on bike part imports—which we are already paying on most parts imported to the US from China for resale at retail. Because this does not require congress to do anything, this is possible as a day 1 type action.
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I, for one, am looking forward to support local businesses to Make America Great Again.
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with all due respect, nobody's going to start making $25 12-sp cassettes in the US. that option is just going to disappear, and you'll be paying $100 like before this whole AE thing came into being. whether that's progress or not is up to you to decide.
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with all due respect, nobody's going to start making $25 12-sp cassettes in the US. that option is just going to disappear, and you'll be paying $100 like before this whole AE thing came into being. whether that's progress or not is up to you to decide.
60% tariff on a $25 cassette would only bring up the final price to $40; maybe we'd start seeing low $30 cassettes from Vietnam or Bangladesh.
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We need to separate two separate issues—de minimis exemption and tariffs—as both will be impacted.
De minimis refers to the <$800 exemption on any tariffs for anything shipped directly to you. This exemption is part of how you get cheap stuff overall, but especially from Alixpress. So, this exemption applies to both a frame you buy from CN for $700 as well as an iPhone 15 (which ships directly from China), which currently costs $700. If de minimis goes away, then duties (tariffs) will be owed on both of those items. Further, part of the benefit of de minimis is that there are no additional fees, like a port fee or all the other random stuff, due. Stuff just gets sent directly to you with no inspections, fees, paperwork, or anything else. So the impact of removing this exemption is actually greater than the potential tariff. Aliexpress, temu, etc are fundamentally dependent on this exemption.
If de minimis goes, then your AliExpress purchase is suddenly subject to whatever tariff is in place, and whatever other processing fees would be charged for normal imports.
Tariffs are the second part. Tariffs apply to categories of goods. For instance, if you are a major bike brand, bicycles as a category (HTS Code 8712.00.15) could see a higher rate. The current rate is 11%, so let's assume that increases to 30%. The bike importer would owe that much more on each bike, which would be passed along in the form of higher prices. If you, Chinertown person, want to buy a bike frame, the HTS code is 8714.91.30. The current rate is 3.9%, but that could jump as well.
The rule of thumb for retail prices is that whatever the final sale price is, the manufacturer price is 1/4 of that. So, for a $2000 bicycle I buy at REI, I should assume that the manufacturer's cost is $500. If the tariff goes from 11% to 30%, the effective manufacturer price would increase 19%, or $95. If I apply the 4x rule, then that $2000 bike would suddenly cost $380 more. While this particular example is unlikely to occur exactly as discussed, this exact dynamic is what cranks up prices.
Why do most goods cost 4x the manufacturer's price? Because that includes the price paid for the goods, the shipping-warehousing-handling costs, overhead to run the company (customer service, offices, etc), and profit for whomever is selling the goods.
When you buy direct from CN, you are stripping almost all of those costs out except for shipping. The manufacturer gets a better deal because you paid a higher price and you skip on everything else. Most Chinese factories operate on very little margin, so the prices that you are paying are actually pretty close to what a big brand would get.
For everyone from the USA, the takeaway is that you should care most about the end of de minimis exemptions. The tariffs are important, but the real issue is that de minimis lets you skip the tariff and all the other costs.
Buy stuff now.
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with all due respect, nobody's going to start making $25 12-sp cassettes in the US. that option is just going to disappear, and you'll be paying $100 like before this whole AE thing came into being. whether that's progress or not is up to you to decide.
With all due respect, Making America Great Again is more important to me than poor shifting $25 cassettes.
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With all due respect, Making America Great Again is more important to me than poor shifting $25 cassettes.
I love how these MAGA Trumpers are basically vegans telling you they are vegan.I swear they literally have to tell everyone how they like another man or they explode. So weird that PLA literally made his forum signature about Trump on a carbon fiber forum. This literally is a non political space lmao
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I swear they literally have to tell everyone how they like another man or they explode.
What I don't get is how can someone can be pro-tariffs, but then show up to the MAGA group ride with an all-Chinese bike? ::)
Reminds me of the "straight" guy who has a wife, but still hooks up with men, but denies being gay! ;D
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Got myself a new TIG welder from Temu for black friday so I can MAGA harder in 2025!
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I love how these MAGA Trumpers are basically vegans telling you they are vegan.I swear they literally have to tell everyone how they like another man or they explode. So weird that PLA literally made his forum signature about Trump on a carbon fiber forum. This literally is a non political space lmao
Funny how you've gone on a political rant in the space you've literally called non political. Seems like typical confused democrat hypocrisy.
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What I don't get is how can someone can be pro-tariffs, but then show up to the MAGA group ride with an all-Chinese bike? ::)
I spend about half my time in shenzhen, and rock up to my group ride there on my sl7, when I'm back home like now (I'm actually saudi, not murican) I do sometimes rock up on a chinese oem frame.
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Funny how you've gone on a political rant in the space you've literally called non political. Seems like typical confused democrat hypocrisy.
Is roasting by comparing you to vegans a political rant?
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And so it begins... 10% tariff to be announced tomorrow. Anyone have any information if this will apply to the $800 de minimis exemptions? I haven't been able to find when policy changes effect the $800 exemption starts/become effective?
I stopped ordering items from Aliexpress aver a week ago knowing that the Orange Buffoon would add a tariff on February 1st.
I am crossing my fingers that they will overlook the de minimus exemptions and bike parts wont be included. (Yeah sure.)
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It looks like the USA $800 de minimus exception will be eliminated soon. I found a recent article that explains the pending changes and timing.
https://www.hklaw.com/en/insights/publications/2025/01/cbp-proposes-to-modify-the-de-minimis-exemption
Majority of bicycle and bicycle related products fall under section 301 tariffs. If I understand this article correctly, changes will likely be implemented some time in March.
For bicycle parts entering the USA, we will have to pay the "existing 25% and 10% tariffs", plus the new Trump 10% tariff, for a total of 46% above what we pay for our Aliexpress items.
Looks like I will be priced out of another hobby I enjoy. With the added Canada and Mexico 25% tariffs, I look forward to all the inflation and price increases on food. I really feel sorry about what will happen to the Auto industry here. None of us common folk will be able to afford a new car.
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Damn.
Well boys and girls….it was good while it lasted.
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I am glad I did my MTB, gravel bike and a 24” for my son over the last 15 months. I wish I bought a full suspension mtb frame…
May pick up a second set of elite wheels or the like in stock somewhere in US before prices go up…
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$800 de Minimus is gone. It is official! I've had a good run with Aliexpress. Sorry that I will no longer be able to afford the quantity of the wonderful products I used to be able to purchase directly from China at decent prices..
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/02/trump-tariffs-take-aim-at-trade-loophole-used-by-temu-shein.html
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Watch Chinese vendor set up shop in Singapore to go around the tariff. Don’t think supply chains won’t adapt…
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Watch Chinese vendor set up shop in Singapore to go around the tariff. Don’t think supply chains won’t adapt…
Chinese stores setting up shop in Singapore will have to deal with the "Rules of Origin" for goods that are not wholly manufactured in Singapore. If all sorts of new/different products start being shipped from Singapore to the USA, this will likely be considered a breach of our tree trade agreement. I could see this happening in a couple years, but not in the near future.
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Honestly I'm not losing sleep over a frameset which costs me $550 instead of $500, when the only available competition gets $2500 for essentially the same thing.
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well it's not AliExpress price + 10%.
It's actually, at least:
- 30% as specified by HTS code (as per today on every non-deminimis)
- $5 per package customs entry fee
- $10 per package carrier processing fee
- $40 customs broker fee
- 10% extra with the new EO
so expect $850 to pay for a $500 frameset
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well it's not AliExpress price + 10%.
It's actually, at least:
- 30% as specified by HTS code (as per today on every non-deminimis)
- $5 per package customs entry fee
- $10 per package carrier processing fee
- $40 customs broker fee
- 10% extra with the new EO
so expect $850 to pay for a $500 frameset
Geeze. I thought that it will be the existing 25% Trump tariff added to the original 11% protective tariff for a total of 36%, plus the new 10% for a total of 46% Your scenario is 6% less than what I read. What a deal!
Edit: I just read this morning that USA farmers have been receiving 90% of the money collected from the existing 25% Tariffs. This is because China excluded a lot of USA Agricultural products, like Soybeans. As a result, the farmers get compensation. The kicker is that the large farming corporations get about 70% of these subsidies.
- The domestic cycling manufacturing industry is so small in the USA that it contributes almost nothing to our GDP. Therefore exclusions will be lobbied/requested, (Like the ones that expired this past August, except it will take a year or 2 to be accepted and implemented.)
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The deminimus thing really hurts, because lots of stuff came in that exceeded it that cbp didn't bother with.
I ordered a 2k bike a couple weeks ago, not sure I want it if its now a 3k bike that'll get held in Customs for a month or so. Sucks.
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I was thinking today that I might as well, stop spending time reading posts on this forum. Soon, I will no longer be able to afford my addiction to Aliexpress bicycle parts. What fun is it to read other's stories about frames, wheels, and parts, knowing my addiction is coming to an end.
For the USA members, I have been thinking that we should start working on a Chinertown COOP where we figure out how to make group purchases and then get our orders shipped to us after they get through customs. I recall that someone tried this years ago, and it didn't last long. (Was it called "Group Buy?)
Luckily, I have been purchasing a lot of parts knowing this day would come. It is still painful to have to adjust my mindset and having to go back to E-bay, Facebook Market Place, Craigslist and worst of all, Amazon! in order to search for deals on bicycle parts.
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I was thinking today that I might as well, stop spending time reading posts on this forum. Soon, I will no longer be able to afford my addiction to Aliexpress bicycle parts. What fun is it to read other's stories about frames, wheels, and parts, knowing my addiction is coming to an end.
For the USA members, I have been thinking that we should start working on a Chinertown COOP where we figure out how to make group purchases and then get our orders shipped to us after they get through customs. I recall that someone tried this years ago, and it didn't last long. (Was it called "Group Buy?)
Luckily, I have been purchasing a lot of parts knowing this day would come. It is still painful to have to adjust my mindset and having to go back to E-bay, Facebook Market Place, Craigslist and worst of all, Amazon! in order to search for deals on bicycle parts.
I’m not totally giving up yet. I’ll still come here for knowledge on up and coming products and tech. I’m sure there will be companies or loop holes that come up. Or hopefully repeals or other changes made to these executive orders.
I’ll at least wait around until I start seeing exactly how this is imposed on buyers in the real world.
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All incoming USPS package shipments from China and HK suspended starting today.
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I hope they deliver what has already cleared custom. I have 200$ worth of stuff waiting for delivery… what a crap show
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Well, there are 2 ways of looking at this: 1) I can't really afford any new parts from China. This is a bummer, obviously. 2) I'm sitting on a goldmine of cheap chinese cycling shit that is already sitting in my garage! Used prices on cheap chinese parts just went up 30%. This is it, boys! Our time to cash in! That backup of a backup of a backup carbon saddle that you were holding onto (just in case) but never actually fit you that well anyway? Pure gold in this economy.
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I'm glad I picked up an upgraded carbon gravel and road frame during the 11.11/BF sale. Good luck finding affordable carbon framesets now. Wear items like chains, cassettes and tires I use non-Chinese components so that should be fine. Wheeltop and LTwoo electronic groupsets won't be as lucrative from a cost perspective. SRAM will be the big winner in this. ::)
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Amazon is 50% or more AliEx/AliBaba stuff. I wonder how it affects them or other small sellers running Etsy, eBay and other private shop fronts.
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I'm glad I picked up an upgraded carbon gravel and road frame during the 11.11/BF sale. Good luck finding affordable carbon framesets now. Wear items like chains, cassettes and tires I use non-Chinese components so that should be fine. Wheeltop and LTwoo electronic groupsets won't be as lucrative from a cost perspective. SRAM will be the big winner in this. ::)
or possibly microshift sword black since it's closest to the budget ltwoo/sensah parts that doubled in price for US.
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Amazon is 50% or more AliEx/AliBaba stuff. I wonder how it affects them or other small sellers running Etsy, eBay and other private shop fronts.
I imagine this is going to crush small vendors that bulk buy from china. Or at least drastically reduce their margins. I just bought a customized valentine gift for wife...and naturally then looked if I could find it on Ali. Sure enough, it was a quarter of the price for the same exact thing with same exact customization options. Profit on that one item will be cut almost in half or more depending on how this whole tariff mess settles.
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or possibly microshift sword black since it's closest to the budget ltwoo/sensah parts that doubled in price for US.
Shimano CUEs Essa was recently announced with drop bar shifters. That will be probably be the best budget option apart from LTwoo/Sensah. Microshift seems stuck on 10 speed. At least Shimano gives you compatibility across the cassette speed range.
Now I feel my LTwoo electronic groupsets are lone unicorns. Last night I ordered some extra 14500 batteries as well. Those are probably going to shoot up in price.
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I imagine this is going to crush small vendors that bulk buy from china. Or at least drastically reduce their margins. I just bought a customized valentine gift for wife...and naturally then looked if I could find it on Ali. Sure enough, it was a quarter of the price for the same exact thing with same exact customization options. Profit on that one item will be cut almost in half or more depending on how this whole tariff mess settles.
It'll also hurt small domestic bike brands like State Bicycles and Poseidon. Even if their products are made in China, they do offer domestic support and in some cases lifetime frame warranties (with Poseidon). Businesses like Bikes Online sell Polygon bikes which I believe are made in Indonesia, so they might be in a better position.
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We, who shop on Aliexpress have to remember that a small percentage of the consumer population in the United States actually use Aliexpress. For several years, I hadn't even heard of or read about the $800 de minimis streamlined custom process. 20+ years ago, when I owned a small bicycle business, I looked into purchasing bike parts directly from abroad. Even back then, by the time I added up the duties, tariffs and fees for the volume of parts I wanted to import, it ended up being more expensive than purchasing from my distributors/dealers.
Aliexpress is/was the best thing that happened to the individual consumer, but this is being taken away from us. The USA loves our Capitalistic system where a lot of people get a cut of items you purchase as they are passed though one hand to another. None of these extra steps is a value add to the consumer, but we have to pay this anyways.
One of the things that has changed the whole profit system for small businesses in the domestic cost of shipping. Used to be you would pay around 6% to 10% of the value of the items you purchased. These days, shipping costs are sometimes 60% to 100% and more of the value of the item you want to ship! Shipping has become a monopoly for UPS and Fedex.
Many stores do not even hold any inventory these days. Almost everything is dropped shipped from a warehouse directly to you or the store when you order online. The online store gets a cut, the shippers get a cut, the warehouse gets the biggest cut, and warehouses are usually owned by a large corporation, so the profit rolls upward.
I know perhaps 1 in 50 friends that regularly used Aliexpress. A lot of us on Chinertown are a different type of consumer. How many people do you know that build their one bicycle? How many cyclists have more that 2 bicycles? In general, our government could care less about a bunch of cyclists wanting a good price on bike parts. But the large corporations want to ring out every penny they can from us, and they are the ones setting the rules.
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I imagine this is going to crush small vendors that bulk buy from china. Or at least drastically reduce their margins. I just bought a customized valentine gift for wife...and naturally then looked if I could find it on Ali. Sure enough, it was a quarter of the price for the same exact thing with same exact customization options. Profit on that one item will be cut almost in half or more depending on how this whole tariff mess settles.
Was it Etsy? That platform has been ruined by sellers reselling stuff off of Ali.
I know perhaps 1 in 50 friends that regularly used Aliexpress. A lot of us on Chinertown are a different type of consumer. How many people do you know that build their one bicycle? How many cyclists have more that 2 bicycles? In general, our government could care less about a bunch of cyclists wanting a good price on bike parts. But the large corporations want to ring out every penny they can from us, and they are the ones setting the rules.
Not a single person I know builds bikes with parts from AliExpress. Most of the people scoff at the idea of buying stuff from Chine and engage into tired old tropes like "Hope you have good dental insurance". This small population on this forum is going to suffer and there is nothing we can do. We have been sold and will be crushed in this non sensical trade war brought upon by one extremely vindictive person and his friends/lackeys and spineless congress.
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Was it Etsy? That platform has been ruined by sellers reselling stuff off of Ali.
No. But I just checked and it can be found there as well.
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Looks like people are getting whacked with charges as of today:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Aliexpress/comments/1ij3r0f/aaaagghh_getting_whacked/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/Aliexpress/comments/1ij3r0f/aaaagghh_getting_whacked/)
It was fun hanging out here while it lasted. Thank goodness this current administration closed the loophole for the working class and small businesses to buy affordable goods. It was getting out of hand since that minuscule percentage of profits belong to the billionaires of this country. ::)
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Looks like people are getting whacked with charges as of today:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Aliexpress/comments/1ij3r0f/aaaagghh_getting_whacked/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/Aliexpress/comments/1ij3r0f/aaaagghh_getting_whacked/)
It was fun hanging out here while it lasted. Thank goodness this current administration closed the loophole for the working class and small businesses to buy affordable goods. It was getting out of hand since that minuscule percentage of profits belong to the billionaires of this country. ::)
Wanted to get some idea how much are the duties and HOLY MOLY
Not Ali but all the same ... being charged by UPS 170 on a 225 package. This is insane.
Just got charged 130 bucks by UPS on a AE package that shipped from China a week ago. This shit is unreal
Thanks orange baffoon.
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Wanted to get some idea how much are the duties and HOLY MOLY
Thanks orange baffoon.
I bet most Americans would be alright paying a reasonable federal + state tax (already included), but charging $170 tariff fees on a $225 package is just a big f**k you.
Not looking forward to seeing what I'll get charged on my $4 saddle bag and $13 carbon stem sitting in customs right now. My items shipped via Cainiao. I wonder if AliEx already has an online pay system implemented yet? If it gets released this week, I'll keep everyone posted. At this point any big purchases are done for.
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I bet most Americans would be alright paying a reasonable federal + state tax (already included), but charging $170 tariff fees on a $225 package is just a big f**k you.
Not looking forward to seeing what I'll get charged on my $4 saddle bag and $13 carbon stem sitting in customs right now. My items shipped via Cainiao. I wonder if AliEx already has an online pay system implemented yet? If it gets released this week, I'll keep everyone posted. At this point any big purchases are done for.
I have a CPU coming in that was ordered before any EO was signed. Its currently near my area but not with the final delivery center. I wonder what will happen to that. It looks like $32 is the minimum + any other duties but instructions are unclear as this has turned into a wild west.
I also have around $300 of bike parts that were shipped out just yesterday so I guess I will find out soon. I have no hopes. This might be my last purchase until the sellers on AliEx find a way out of the $800 min or the baffoon rethinks this mess with tariffs.
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Now that my AliEx gear is the high tariff category, today all my bikes appear much more premium! ;D
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Literally last night I realized I misplaced my favorite cheap (Xoss) bike light. Realized that I have a couple of more things like that only costing a couple of bucks that I'd actually be bummed if I lose or if they break. I went on one last little shopping spree late last night, buying a few duplicates of super cheap things I have that have actually become favorites. Hopefully I'll receive them.
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You will receive them but uncle Sam will wring your arms until you cough up dough for it.
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I'd hit up Amazon for small parts. I just ordered some cheap hydraulic hoses, barbs+olives and disc brake pads. Once domestic supply dries up, restock orders will be tariff'ed up the a**.
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I won't be surprised if some of those strange store fronts that sell everything from bike parts to scented candle holders to lint rollers just shut shop after a while. Many of those stores are side income gig for people in regular jobs.
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Meanwhile in Canada... laughing nervously. Please don't invade us. I like my cheap bike parts.
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Maybe this is a dumb question, but what’s the situation with shipping from China to Canada? I live close enough to Windsor that I could pick up a parcel shipped to a package receiving company. Obviously I would only do it for large purchases, but would taxes and duties be more favorable than shipping to the US?
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No situation, you order it, it shows up. Canada has import duties of 5% on frames and forks imported from China, but I've rarely had to pay them.
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Meanwhile in Canada... laughing nervously. Please don't invade us. I like my cheap bike parts.
I'm already gathering a militia to raid Canadian maple syrup facilities, procure Caramilk chocolate bars and take all the Old Dutch ketchup chips. You've been warned! ;D ;)
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I'm already gathering a militia to raid Canadian maple syrup facilities, procure Caramilk chocolate bars and take all the Old Dutch ketchup chips. You've been warned! ;D ;)
Grab me some Mars bars while you're there. Don't forget the Mars bars.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y7edy35pvo
"Trump suspends tariffs on small packages from China"
May be of interest to the people here.
This clown plays with things in a manner I won't even attempt in a videogame. I am scared what comes tomorrow.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y7edy35pvo
"Trump suspends tariffs on small packages from China"
May be of interest to the people here.
This clown plays with things in a manner I won't even attempt in a videogame. I am scared what comes tomorrow.
So we have a window to get items shipped. Maybe I might pull the trigger on some carbon wheelset and have them expedited!
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hallelujah!!!
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So we have a window to get items shipped. Maybe I might pull the trigger on some carbon wheelset and have them expedited!
I am eyeing groupsets, 105 R7100 and EDS rim brake. I don't need them but you never know what will happen in a month (or tomorrow).
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I'd like to get the final pieces to finish a new build, but I don't want to order and get hit with fees because policy changed by the time they get here.
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I'd like to get the final pieces to finish a new build, but I don't want to order and get hit with fees because policy changed by the time they get here.
Your safest bet is to buy items via Choice. It's now more apparent AliExpress was prepping for this, by using Choice as a way to minimize individual packages and minimize fees. There's some good info on the AliEx reddit page in regards to the shipping techniques. If buying a non-Choice item, I would ask the seller to expedite the package ASAP. There's going to be a huge backlog in merchandise as everyone is now trying to buy more product.
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Anybody get their stuff yet with the tariffs on-hold? The cheap saddlebag and stem I ordered has just been sitting in customs processing for several days according to tracking. There are few more items I want to order, but I don't want to order anything until the bottleneck clears through.
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Anybody get their stuff yet with the tariffs on-hold? The cheap saddlebag and stem I ordered has just been sitting in customs processing for several days according to tracking. There are few more items I want to order, but I don't want to order anything until the bottleneck clears through.
On which side of the border? US?
I don't know what's up. I have some domestic USPS packages that have been sitting at different regional sorting facilities for days now without any updates, which is a little unusual.
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Anybody get their stuff yet with the tariffs on-hold? The cheap saddlebag and stem I ordered has just been sitting in customs processing for several days according to tracking. There are few more items I want to order, but I don't want to order anything until the bottleneck clears through.
I got my AMD CPU delivered yesterday. It was sitting in LA for almost 2 weeks but came through without any surcharge.
P.S. To say delivered by a new shipping partner called Piggyship on Sunday at 9PM.
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On which side of the border? US?
I don't know what's up. I have some domestic USPS packages that have been sitting at different regional sorting facilities for days now without any updates, which is a little unusual.
US west coast. Both items are AliEx Choice items. Usually they get processed quickly and then brought to the AliEx distribution warehouse. Packages are then shipped via private courier in my area. I presume it's cheaper for them since they can just skip USPS by delivering direct.
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Your safest bet is to buy items via Choice. It's now more apparent AliExpress was prepping for this, by using Choice as a way to minimize individual packages and minimize fees. There's some good info on the AliEx reddit page in regards to the shipping techniques. If buying a non-Choice item, I would ask the seller to expedite the package ASAP. There's going to be a huge backlog in merchandise as everyone is now trying to buy more product.
Even choice items are now showing way longer delivery times than what used to be. I'm holding all Ali purchases until a more permanent or clear policy is in place. I dont' want to get hit with massive fees for bottle cages or spacers at this point.
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Anybody get their stuff yet with the tariffs on-hold? The cheap saddlebag and stem I ordered has just been sitting in customs processing for several days according to tracking. There are few more items I want to order, but I don't want to order anything until the bottleneck clears through.
Some of my stuff went custom cleared/with delivery company/delivered in 3-4h yesterday…
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I'm holding all Ali purchases until a more permanent or clear policy is in place.
Bro what's written in constitution is up for toss now a days and being discussed in the courts. There is nothing permanent here on. Takes one tiny trigger for the guy to go haywire and ruin things.
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I've decided to pause future orders as well. My items are still stuck in customs and there's nothing I need bike related except for minor items which I can find locally.
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Some more of my stuff cleared custom yesterday
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Some more of my stuff cleared custom yesterday
When did you order and which coast did your items arrive? I wonder if they're just sorting pallets by date of arrival?
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Jan 26th, I am not sure port of entry, small enough that it may have been air shipped
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All of my last batch or Aliexpress items have been received. I have over 15, $1 off coupon E-mails, because most of my packages were delivered 2-3 days later than the Aliexpress delivery guarantee.
I am on the fence concerning placing a few more "Choice items" hoping the timing will be before they figure out how to implement the elimination of the $800 De Minimis exemption. (I have purchased the majority of the items on my lower cost bike part lists for 2025. ) I have really cut back my spending on everything waiting for the other shoe to drop and our economy to start crashing because of our new administration's blatant braking of laws, and Congress's letting them get away with this. Our local small economy is already starting to feel the effects of the freeze on temp federal employees, during a key hiring period for summer workers that help keep our local National park running. (This park brings in a lot of money to our local tourist driven economy.) Travel agencies have already stated that booked summer travel is about 15% less because of this news. Several of our infrastructure improvement projects have been frozen, and our county is already stating these projects may not be completed, and to expect layoffs due to the this lost revenue.
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summer workers that help keep our local National park running. (This park brings in a lot of money to our local tourist driven economy.) Travel agencies have already stated that booked summer travel is about 15% less because of this news.
Not just the funding freeze that is hurting but also other things that were done recently.
We were supposed to go to Glacier NP during the summer with some friends and family from Canada joining us. Last week they said FU and canceled the plan because of totally unwarranted hostility by the turd in command. Instead they will be going to Jasper now.
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Not just the funding freeze that is hurting but also other things that were done recently.
We were supposed to go to Glacier NP during the summer with some friends and family from Canada joining us. Last week they said FU and canceled the plan because of totally unwarranted hostility by the turd in command. Instead they will be going to Jasper now.
You wrote closer to how I feel and what I have been seeing, but I try to write a little more diplomatically my displeasure with what is happening. I/we have been calling our representatives expressing our concern, and since we are in a red state, what we tell them is falling on deaf ears. (It is ironic too that my state helped vote in the current administration, but we are already suffering effects of all these sudden changes)
Look up an app called 5calls. Makes it really easy to contact your representatives.
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I did some more research and I found that many people who had orders arrive on Feb. 5th have still not received their packages. Though people who had packages ordered before and after that date are processing as normal. It's possible customs shelved parcels from that day until they can alleviate the backlog.
I bit the bullet and ordered some spare parts, as opposed to waiting for the next sale. I'd rather get some items in quick instead of wait next month.
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I did some more research and I found that many people who had orders arrive on Feb. 5th have still not received their packages. Though people who had packages ordered before and after that date are processing as normal. It's possible customs shelved parcels from that day until they can alleviate the backlog.
I bit the bullet and ordered some spare parts, as opposed to waiting for the next sale. I'd rather get some items in quick instead of wait next month.
I have a couple small items that hit customs on the 6th that haven't cleared. Other stuff in transit currently.
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Something is seriously going on with USPS on my end. I have a package I ordered on Feb 3rd from a music company known for fast shipment. It hit usps that same day and I still haven't received it. This is the 9th day, and it still isn't at my local post office so no guarantee yet that I'll get it on the 10th day. I usually get packages from that company within 3-5 days. I would think this is a fluke, if not for the other package from a different domestic company I ordered on the 4th and also isn't even at my local post office yet. Curiously, I ordered something on Sunday night and it was delivered today, so I don't know what's up. Historically, usps is pretty consistent for me.
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I haven't received my small items that arrived day of the tariffs on Feb. 5th. If they don't deliver by the promised due date (in my case Feb. 21st) I plan on cancelling those orders.
I chanced ordering another small batch of items and they quickly arrived to the US. If they clear customs, I might order a few more items for the spring sale before the de minimis gets removed again!
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My stuff that arrived at NY on the 5th-6th is delayed and not tracking, but I see stuff incoming in my USPS emails from those areas now that couldn't be anything else, will know in a day or so. Suspect it got thrown in a large pile, and its been worked thru but not scanned until it reaches the next node in the system.
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Just put in an order of small Choice parts. We'll see how this goes.
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Good news. My items I ordered last week are out on delivery! :)
The only items that are stuck, are the ones that arrived on Feb. 5th. I'm going to cancel that order once it passes the delivery due date (in a few days) to get my refund.
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All of my stuck stuff (except 2 tiny jockey bolts) arrived yesterday.
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My order of a handfull of "essentials" from a week or two ago is out for delivery today. Stuff still seems to be making its way here.
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Just my observation with my order: Choice items ended up in US customs Feb 5 and has never left. A couple of the items (all the choice items have the same USPS tracking number so must be packed together) in the package have had both their estimated delivery date extended out to March 1, but also the refund request time to 40 days (vs the normal 30 days).
I also had one item that wasn't a Choice item get shipped a day earlier, passed US customs on the Feb 7, and delivered on Feb 15.
Looking at this thread Feb 5 seems to be the magic date that a majority of orders that entered US customs got stuck into the black hole.
I'll be requesting my refunds as soon as I can if my order doesn't arrive.
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Just my observation with my order: Choice items ended up in US customs Feb 5 and has never left. A couple of the items (all the choice items have the same USPS tracking number so must be packed together) in the package have had both their estimated delivery date extended out to March 1, but also the refund request time to 40 days (vs the normal 30 days).
I also had one item that wasn't a Choice item get shipped a day earlier, passed US customs on the Feb 7, and delivered on Feb 15.
Looking at this thread Feb 5 seems to be the magic date that a majority of orders that entered US customs got stuck into the black hole.
I'll be requesting my refunds as soon as I can if my order doesn't arrive.
I'm bummed because I ordered a bike stem that's not on sale anymore and my order is stuck in the Feb. 5th black hole. I wonder if all that stuff is just getting dumped a landfill at this point? :'(
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I'm bummed because I ordered a bike stem that's not on sale anymore and my order is stuck in the Feb. 5th black hole. I wonder if all that stuff is just getting dumped a landfill at this point? :'(
I don't think so. I think it created a giant backlog that is mostly getting worked thru. I got two packages yesterday from Feb 5, and they didn't scan as moving until they got local.
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I don't think so. I think it created a giant backlog that is mostly getting worked thru. I got two packages yesterday from Feb 5, and they didn't scan as moving until they got local.
This is good to know. Thanks for reporting that. Looks like there is hope. :)
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Last time I purchased Choice items, I got combined shipping. This time each item of the 7 items has a separate tracking number. How is choice working for you guys?
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My Feb. 5th items finally cleared and are out for delivery. I've bought a few extra things recently, mainly because I can't source these components locally.
I wonder how much longer we have until the de minimis gets fully removed?
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My Feb. 5th items finally cleared and are out for delivery. I've bought a few extra things recently, mainly because I can't source these components locally.
I wonder how much longer we have until the de minimis gets fully removed?
Supposedly a month or two while Customs prepares to do a shit ton more inspections and paperwork. But these days who knows. There’s a reason that exemption existed, because it’s just not practical to process every single little thing that comes through in personal shipments.
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I took a risk and placed a small order (<$20 total cost) Choice items. 7 small items, only one is cycling related. Time will tell how fast and/or if the package arrives...
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I took a risk and placed a small order (<$20 total cost) Choice items. 7 small items, only one is cycling related. Time will tell how fast and/or if the package arrives...
It should be fast. Choice items I ordered last week have already delivered for me.
I bought a few more small items like gloves and cycling caps. I wouldn't mind ordering a lightweight gravel wheelset, but I've already ordered enough stuff to last me awhile.
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Ordered some choice items on Monday, they're supposedly landed in the US and at the linehaul station today.
Maybe long term we'll have a third country routing option to dodge tariffs like the Eurosphere.
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Just my observation with my order: Choice items ended up in US customs Feb 5 and has never left. A couple of the items (all the choice items have the same USPS tracking number so must be packed together) in the package have had both their estimated delivery date extended out to March 1, but also the refund request time to 40 days (vs the normal 30 days).
I also had one item that wasn't a Choice item get shipped a day earlier, passed US customs on the Feb 7, and delivered on Feb 15.
Looking at this thread Feb 5 seems to be the magic date that a majority of orders that entered US customs got stuck into the black hole.
I'll be requesting my refunds as soon as I can if my order doesn't arrive.
Finally got a USPS tracking update. Looks like DHL has it and it's on the move to get to my local postoffice.
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Ordered some choice items on Monday, they're supposedly landed in the US and at the linehaul station today.
Maybe long term we'll have a third country routing option to dodge tariffs like the Eurosphere.
My Choice items from the 17th were delivered to the US East Coast on the 23rd.
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My Choice items from the 17th were delivered to the US East Coast on the 23rd.
I've received a couple of small orders, some not choice, since this was all announced. Another has cleared customs and handed over to USPS for delivery in a couple days. Whatever is going on, it's apparently paused (for the moment).
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Finally got a USPS tracking update. Looks like DHL has it and it's on the move to get to my local postoffice.
Another update: USPS has the item locally and will deliver tomorrow.
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My recent order of choice items has cleared customs. Any word on when the de minimis repeal will hit again?
Also, I did see some thing about huge tariffs being levied to ship based imports specifically.
https://www.freightwaves.com/news/us-port-charges-on-china-vessels-add-to-supply-chain-uncertainty
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Wow! My "10 item" Choice order had a record 2 days from order placement through Customs. (How can China be so efficient and fast, and USPS so slow!)
Now we will see how long USPS takes to get the combined package to me.
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Get this, a bunch of orders said they were out for delivery, but that was 2 days. I'm beginning to wonder if the delivery driver is just sitting on the packages or something?
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Get this, a bunch of orders said they were out for delivery, but that was 2 days. I'm beginning to wonder if the delivery driver is just sitting on the packages or something?
He's got them in his prison wallet
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Get this, a bunch of orders said they were out for delivery, but that was 2 days. I'm beginning to wonder if the delivery driver is just sitting on the packages or something?
I often get these messages after a package leave Customs. Aliexpress sends me an e-mail stating the item is "out for delivery" but when I open the detailed online tracking the package is just starting its slow, often 2 week long, trip across the USA and then back to me.
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All my stuff arrived. Apparently they opted to just hold all my packages until my other orders arrived and dropped everything off at the same time. A bit strange, but again AliEx delivers! ;D
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I spent some time trying to find any information on when the $800 De Minimis exemption will be phased out. All I still find is that it will be phased out as soon as they figure out a system to replace the present one.
With an additional 10% tariff on top of the last 10%, I am sure that imports must be slowing down.
On a side note: My last order I placed on February 19th arrived today. I can state this is the fastest I have ever received a package from Aliexpress. 9 days! amazing! I was receiving packages in 14 day, that was up from the typical 12 day delivery.
To place another order, or not. That is the question.... Our economy will be crashing soon. Government layoffs, inflation, interest rates, and now the large tariffs being placed on Canada and Mexico. Time to save money to cover the pending huge price increases on our imported foods from Mexico.
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To place another order, or not. That is the question.... Our economy will be crashing soon. Government layoffs, inflation, interest rates, and now the large tariffs being placed on Canada and Mexico. Time to save money to cover the pending huge price increases on our imported foods from Mexico.
I've gotten all the small wear items/components when the de minimis gets reinstated. That should last me for awhile. I wouldn't mind another carbon wheelset, but it's probably best I save and enjoy what I have currently! ;)
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https://www.bicycleretailer.com/industry-news/2025/03/04/congresswoman-introduces-de-minimus-loophole-legislation
Love how this Cunanne CEO dude is trying to spin this as positive thing. Definitely a good thing FOR HIS BUSINESS. Terrible for us direct-to-consumer shoppers.
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As a manufacturer myself, she's full of shit. This hurts EVERYONE esp small businesses and non conglomerates who can't wash their goods through 3rd countries. Customs can't keep up with what's going on now, much less with de-minimus. She's an idiot for this.
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Don't get me started... This bill isn't really needed because the De Minimis "Loophole" is already being closed as soon as Customs can figure out how to process millions of small packages per day, and collect/apply tariffs and fees without overwhelming the system. As we all know, the bigger issue that looms are the tariff trade wars that our administration has just started. Soon we will have to shift a fair percentage of our "fun" bicycle part money to purchasing food and other essentials that we require to live.
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I'm about ready to give up on my most recent order (new bars) to the US, purchased Feb 17, "arrived at facility" in ISC New York on Feb 25, and absolutely no movement since.
Trying to not talk about politics here but this trade war stuff is infuriating.
Edit: It looks like maybe on March 8 it may have finally left NY.
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https://www.bicycleretailer.com/industry-news/2025/03/04/congresswoman-introduces-de-minimus-loophole-legislation
Love how this Cunanne CEO dude is trying to spin this as positive thing. Definitely a good thing FOR HIS BUSINESS. Terrible for us direct-to-consumer shoppers.
Is this the same congress person who's husband was indicted on theft and conspiracy charges? That tells me all I need to know when it comes to bad apples.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/nov/8/linda-sanchez-husband-james-sullivan-indicted/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/nov/8/linda-sanchez-husband-james-sullivan-indicted/)
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Is this the same congress person who's husband was indicted on theft and conspiracy charges? That tells me all I need to know when it comes to bad apples.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/nov/8/linda-sanchez-husband-james-sullivan-indicted/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/nov/8/linda-sanchez-husband-james-sullivan-indicted/)
Distributors like ASI and QBP add a lot of empty calorie costs to brick and mortar bike stores-typically their "wholesale" groupset pricing is right around or sometimes even higher than grey market OEM pricing available D2C.
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https://www.bicycleretailer.com/industry-news/2025/03/04/congresswoman-introduces-de-minimus-loophole-legislation
Love how this Cunanne CEO dude is trying to spin this as positive thing. Definitely a good thing FOR HIS BUSINESS. Terrible for us direct-to-consumer shoppers.
"Cunnane, an industry consultant and advisor to Hyper Bicycles, also is quoted in Sánchez's press release. He is the former CEO of ASE, the parent of the Performance Bicycle retail chain and the ASI distribution business."
I looked into Hyper Bicycles, their bread-n-butter are crappy e-bikes. He's just looking to eliminate domestic and overseas competition. I wish these companies would actually try being innovated, instead of resorting to underhanded tactics.
Distributors like ASI and QBP add a lot of empty calorie costs to brick and mortar bike stores-typically their "wholesale" groupset pricing is right around or sometimes even higher than grey market OEM pricing available D2C.
D2C purchases still benefit brick-n-mortar stores. I know many cyclists will just bring their bikes in to be assembled and/or retrofitted with new parts. In fact getting parts first by the consumer might be a better avenue for the bike shops, because ordering through "official" channels can sometimes take a long period of time. My buddy finally got his retrofitted road bike completed after 3 months in the shop. He had to wait while his "domestic" wheelset were being built and shipped...from CHINA! ::) ;D
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D2C purchases still benefit brick-n-mortar stores. I know many cyclists will just bring their bikes in to be assembled and/or retrofitted with new parts. In fact getting parts first by the consumer might be a better avenue for the bike shops, because ordering through "official" channels can sometimes take a long period of time. My buddy finally got his retrofitted road bike completed after 3 months in the shop. He had to wait while his "domestic" wheelset were being built and shipped...from CHINA! ::) ;D
Back when I managed a chain bike store that was taken over by Performance before their rightful demise, I had to tell a customer that no, we couldn't handle warranty fulfillment for his broken Shimano crank purchased mail order from a 3rd party. Aside from occasional swag and entertainment, this seems to be the only possible advantage for a retailer to buy product through the official distribution chain instead of gray market OEM.
Come to think of it, maybe having your own Ali sourced and private labeled, way overpriced carbon frameset seems like a good workaround to get legit OEM product for resale.
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Is this the same congress person who's husband was indicted on theft and conspiracy charges? That tells me all I need to know when it comes to bad apples.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/nov/8/linda-sanchez-husband-james-sullivan-indicted/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/nov/8/linda-sanchez-husband-james-sullivan-indicted/)
As far as I am concerned every person now who's trying to paint positive picture about whatever is happening is a bad apple.
I am lucky I got all the parts I ordered in the last month but now I am done. Every day there is a new brain fart and things are tossed around like toddler playing in the sand. Its as infuriating as it is dangerous and I am now in fully "save the cash" mode whatever tht cash will be worth in coming months I am sure it will be better than some bike parts. I have stopped scouring eBay, FB Marketplace, OfferUp for used parts/frames too and trying to downsize my current stable of 8 bikes to 3.
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As far as I am concerned every person now who's trying to paint positive picture about whatever is happening is a bad apple.
I am lucky I got all the parts I ordered in the last month but now I am done. Every day there is a new brain fart and things are tossed around like toddler playing in the sand. Its as infuriating as it is dangerous and I am now in fully "save the cash" mode whatever tht cash will be worth in coming months I am sure it will be better than some bike parts. I have stopped scouring eBay, FB Marketplace, OfferUp for used parts/frames too and trying to downsize my current stable of 8 bikes to 3.
I'm in the same boat. I had a blast building bikes while parts were cheap the past couple years. But now I'm consolidating the fleet.
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I was checking prices at Btlos wheels and got a follow up email offering a discount code and a reassurance that bike parts are not subject to tariffs.
“According to the latest U.S. customs policy, bicycle accessories are not subject to tariffs, so you can purchase them with confidence.”
Of course they didn’t site any policy. Is this just a sales pitch or does anyone have more info on this?
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I was checking prices at Btlos wheels and got a follow up email offering a discount code and a reassurance that bike parts are not subject to tariffs.
“According to the latest U.S. customs policy, bicycle accessories are not subject to tariffs, so you can purchase them with confidence.”
Of course they didn’t site any policy. Is this just a sales pitch or does anyone have more info on this?
I've actually done a few different orders since these back-and-forth policies went into place and so far everything has been delivered fine. However, it's all been small stuff. I just ordered a whole groupset with the big discounts this week. I suppose I'll see if it ends up any different than my other "small" orders.
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I was checking prices at Btlos wheels and got a follow up email offering a discount code and a reassurance that bike parts are not subject to tariffs.
“According to the latest U.S. customs policy, bicycle accessories are not subject to tariffs, so you can purchase them with confidence.”
Of course they didn’t site any policy. Is this just a sales pitch or does anyone have more info on this?
Below is the latest summary I can find regarding Hs 8714 concerning bicycle parts and accessories: I interpret this as when the De Minimus ends, every item imported from China will be subject to a total of 20% tax/tariff. (Unless specific exemptions are negotiated and granted for bike parts falling under Hs 8714.)
No Specific Tariffs:
As of March 21, 2025, there are no specific tariffs or duties mentioned relating to imports of goods under HS Code 8714 from China.
General Trade Context:
While there are no specific tariffs mentioned for HS Code 8714, it's important to note that there have been broader trade actions impacting imports from China, such as the general China tariffs that were implemented in 2025.
Tariff Changes:
The 10 percent tariffs on all imports from China took effect on February 4, 2025, and Trump said the tariffs on China would increase by another 10 percent beginning March 4, which has taken effect.
De Minimis Treatment:
Ending de minimis treatment of imports from China is on pause.
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Indeed, the only reason why we are not taxed is because of de mininis are still not taxed. I believe simply because the system is not ready to handle the flow that’s coming in and the cost associated with doing it may be higher than the income generated….
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This is a good read. Bad actors abuse any system they can, to make a profit. Too bad this is messing with our niche area of purchasing bike parts from Aliexpress and china.
https://www.cbp.gov/frontline/buyer-beware-bad-actors-exploit-de-minimis-shipments
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This is a good read. Bad actors abuse any system they can, to make a profit. Too bad this is messing with our niche area of purchasing bike parts from Aliexpress and china.
https://www.cbp.gov/frontline/buyer-beware-bad-actors-exploit-de-minimis-shipments
* “On any given day, we could receive and process 750,000 to a million de minimis shipments,” said Andrew Renna, Assistant Port Director for Cargo Operations at JFK Airport. *
So nearly a million de minimis shipments a day, at JUST the JKF airport alone. They would need tens of thousands of additional employees if those packages became "formal imports" with the de minimis expiration. I have not seen any articles that allude to mass hiring for this. Instead, I've seen multiple articles of USPS cutting thousands of jobs. Rumor is that the study on how to deal with import tariffs is supposed to release on April 2nd. I just don't see any possible way they could even attempt to drop the de minimis exception at this point. Getting there will take at least a year (or years), logically.
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From what I have been reading is that they believe that the updated customs process will be based on enhancing the "CBP Entry Type 11" process for items valued less than $2500. I've read that what they are working on is; any country that has a tariff in place will be required to prepare paperwork (all online) that will clearly state the harmonized 10 digit code for the item and pay the associated fees and tariffs upfront* before the item/s off-load to pass through CBP. All of the Tariff required packages with pass through an updated informal type 11 process.
The De Minimis process will remain in place for all other countries of origin that do not have trade restrictions.
(One thing I read is that they are working to figure out how to restrict 2nd and 3rd country exporters from taking packages sent from Hong Kong and China and forwarding them to the US under the guise that the items originated in their country.) Stiff penalties if these countries are caught doing this and perhaps tariffs added to all of their exports.
* I laugh at this because the current administration will claim that China is paying for the Tariff, rather than the consumer, because the tariffs are being paid for ahead of time by the shipper/Seller. (In reality, the buyer will pay 20%+ or more upfront for the item they purchased from an Aliexpress store.)
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Future us.
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I plan to run my Chinese carbon bikes like the Cubans and their 1950s American cars! I'll do whatever it takes to keep my bikes running through global self-isolation and societal brain rot! ;D
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From what I have been reading is that they believe that the updated customs process will be based on enhancing the "CBP Entry Type 11" process for items valued less than $2500. I've read that what they are working on is; any country that has a tariff in place will be required to prepare paperwork (all online) that will clearly state the harmonized 10 digit code for the item and pay the associated fees and tariffs upfront* before the item/s off-load to pass through CBP. All of the Tariff required packages with pass through an updated informal type 11 process.
The De Minimis process will remain in place for all other countries of origin that do not have trade restrictions.
(One thing I read is that they are working to figure out how to restrict 2nd and 3rd country exporters from taking packages sent from Hong Kong and China and forwarding them to the US under the guise that the items originated in their country.) Stiff penalties if these countries are caught doing this and perhaps tariffs added to all of their exports.
* I laugh at this because the current administration will claim that China is paying for the Tariff, rather than the consumer, because the tariffs are being paid for ahead of time by the shipper/Seller. (In reality, the buyer will pay 20%+ or more upfront for the item they purchased from an Aliexpress store.)
Keep an eye on HR 7979, which is the legislation proposed and pending in the House that would require this proceedure.
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https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/04/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-closes-de-minimis-exemptions-to-combat-chinas-role-in-americas-synthetic-opioid-crisis/
"All relevant postal items containing goods that are sent through the international postal network that are valued at or under $800 and that would otherwise qualify for the de minimis exemption are subject to a duty rate of either 30% of their value or $25 per item (increasing to $50 per item after June 1, 2025). This is in lieu of any other duties, including those imposed by prior Orders."
So is it whatever the higher value of 30% or $25/item is? Doesn't seem to specify.
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So is it whatever the higher value of 30% or $25/item is? Doesn't seem to specify.
Sorry clarity and transparency are things of past. In the Banana republic, it is whatever they want to charge on the particular day your order lands here.
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Aliexpress addicts. Place your final Choice and other items now so they will arrive by May 1st. Otherwise you will face at least a 30% increase.
So sad... The end of an era of decent prices is almost over. I've been growing my inventory of consumables, but it looks like I wont be making any more frame or wheel related items for many years in the future. :'(
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Same. Buy now think later days are gone. Now we give 3x-4x to Amazon for same stuff or pay whatever other govt agency. Either way affordable ways to mod your bike to your heart's content seem over.
I wonder how budget brands like State, Poseidon will look once the tariffs start f*cking them up. I believe people who were already spending 6k on frames and 3k on wheels wouldn't even notice the effect and will continue to do so happily. Its the remaining bunch who will suffer who are used to find bargain e.g. this forum members like us.
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I wonder how budget brands like State, Poseidon will look once the tariffs start f*cking them up.
State already increase the price of their black label v3 fixed gear by $50 recently. Used to be 749 for one of the base colors, now all colors at 799.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DGodPrMydOX/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/if-you-want-a-more-affordable-bike-nows-the-chance-us-bike-makers-warn-of-price-hikes-after-tariffs-take-effect
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Gentlemen
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^^^ That's my 401k and trading account
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Funny how you've gone on a political rant in the space you've literally called non political. Seems like typical confused democrat hypocrisy.
Radio silence from this MAGA dude
Probably just a russian bot
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this is how we react on thi :-)
https://www.instagram.com/p/DH-r2deNzZu/?hl=de
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Radio silence from this MAGA dude
Probably just a russian bot
Its a troll account by and large. Pay no attention.
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I think I just made my final Ali purchase for the foreseeable future. Jumped on some Elite gravel wheels with $50 off coupon.
To think that in the future those coupons will only help to offset the tariffs and fees instead of creating screaming deals.
It was great while it lasted. :'(
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'Merican friends, we can probably build you boutique bikes in France, you come ride for a week or 2, and fly back with your bike. France is now pretty much a 3rd world country, so shit's cheap :)
A friend of mine is an ex pro, he now owns and runs a bike shop in Jura, and we can house you too.
So, something to consider: Jura cycling holidays where you show up and your new custom bike is ready to use, then you fly back with it. You can also buy an Audemars Piguet watch while you're at it, if you have 80k to spare, they're our next door neighbors. You'd land in Geneva. It will probably rain.
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Set up Shop in switzerland so you don’t pay the 20% vat and 8% duties on import, Even cheaper.
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'Merican friends, we can probably build you boutique bikes in France, you come ride for a week or 2, and fly back with your bike. France is now pretty much a 3rd world country, so shit's cheap :)
A friend of mine is an ex pro, he now owns and runs a bike shop in Jura, and we can house you too.
So, something to consider: Jura cycling holidays where you show up and your new custom bike is ready to use, then you fly back with it. You can also buy an Audemars Piguet watch while you're at it, if you have 80k to spare, they're our next door neighbors. You'd land in Geneva. It will probably rain.
Some Hong Kong company needs to steal this business model. I mean, a flight to HK can't be that cheap, but if you just consider it as part of the cost of a bike, then it's really Bike + Vacay vs. just Bike.
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Set up Shop in switzerland so you don’t pay the 20% vat and 8% duties on import, Even cheaper.
Andorra would be more better at just 4.5% VAT, and epic riding terrain in literally every direction.
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Set up Shop in switzerland so you don’t pay the 20% vat and 8% duties on import, Even cheaper.
Nothing's cheap in Switzerland :)
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Andorra would be more better at just 4.5% VAT, and epic riding terrain in literally every direction.
Getting there is more challenging though, Geneva is pretty quick :)
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Just to play devil's advocate a bit...
We know from history classes how tariff wars hastened/worsened the great depression worldwide less than a century ago; And I think many would agree that DT is mostly a figurehead tool for the GOP and its backing industrial complex to get what they want (power, money, access to resources).
So lets consider the possibility that these tariffs are a money play for the elite.
Announce tariffs = stock markets drop -> elite's buy stock.
Announce roll-backs on tariffs = stock markets rebound -> elite's make a of money.
So maybe... there is a chance most of this tariff nonsense is temporary...
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I sadly think you are right and this is just a mean to increase further the wealth transfer to the top 0.1%. When VAT is assimilated to a tariff barrier, you heard all you need to know about the seriousness of the justification in front of you
Many economists have already demonstrated that the stated goal, collecting tariff to do away with income tax is only a positive play for the top 20%, the 80% Will see more of expenses increase due to inflation than tax saving.
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Just to play devil's advocate a bit...
We know from history classes how tariff wars hastened/worsened the great depression worldwide less than a century ago; And I think many would agree that DT is mostly a figurehead tool for the GOP and its backing industrial complex to get what they want (power, money, access to resources).
So lets consider the possibility that these tariffs are a money play for the elite.
Announce tariffs = stock markets drop -> elite's buy stock.
Announce roll-backs on tariffs = stock markets rebound -> elite's make a of money.
So maybe... there is a chance most of this tariff nonsense is temporary...
I have read this perspective, and I believe that there are people tracking activities surrounding the on-off-on-off tariffs, chomping on the bit to discover that this is true. I believe that this is one benefit of short term gains for select individuals.
Another consideration is that around 18% of our economy is based on foreign investors. News feeds are only reporting some of the spin-off effects of all of the policy changes and Tariffs. A lot of foreign investment money is quickly being removed from our country. If most of the foreign investors bail, this alone will set the stage for a contraction of our economy.
There is also a rapid realignment of our friends and ally countries, where they are pulling away from the USA. This shift could/will permanently damage our ability to compete in the rest of the global economy. (Think of Japan and South Korea aligning with China. - Big win for China.) Europe is banding together along with Canada and Mexico. As a combined entity, they really don't need the USA to play with.
This means that our current path leads to us becoming an isolationist country. In the not to distant future, we may only have Russia, Hungary and a few other countries to play with. (What kind of government works best for isolationists? definitely not a democracy)
All of the symptoms being displayed is that the USA is an empire in decay.
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I have read this perspective, and I believe that there are people tracking activities surrounding the on-off-on-off tariffs, chomping on the bit to discover that this is true. I believe that this is one benefit of short term gains for select individuals.
Another consideration is that around 18% of our economy is based on foreign investors. News feeds are only reporting some of the spin-off effects of all of the policy changes and Tariffs. A lot of foreign investment money is quickly being removed from our country. If most of the foreign investors bail, this alone will set the stage for a contraction of our economy.
There is also a rapid realignment of our friends and ally countries, where they are pulling away from the USA. This shift could/will permanently damage our ability to compete in the rest of the global economy. (Think of Japan and South Korea aligning with China. - Big win for China.) Europe is banding together along with Canada and Mexico. As a combined entity, they really don't need the USA to play with.
This means that our current path leads to us becoming an isolationist country. In the not to distant future, we may only have Russia, Hungary and a few other countries to play with. (What kind of government works best for isolationists? definitely not a democracy)
All of the symptoms being displayed is that the USA is an empire in decay.
Those of us with regular 401k and Roth IRA deductions (mine are mostly in S&P 500 index funds) that kept investing through the Covid downturn have done very well five years later and are benefitting from dollar cost averaging now. My now 24 year old son who was living at home during the Covid years was able to max out his Roth contributions for 2020 and 2021 from the $800 a week stimulus unemployment benefits, also in S&P 500 index funds, now has a substantial for his age net worth that will be well into the six figure range when he's looking to retire.
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This means that our current path leads to us becoming an isolationist country. In the not to distant future, we may only have Russia, Hungary and a few other countries to play with. (What kind of government works best for isolationists? definitely not a democracy)
All of the symptoms being displayed is that the USA is an empire in decay.
The billionaires running the show don't give two hoots about it as long as they are filling up their pockets.
Those of us with regular 401k and Roth IRA deductions (mine are mostly in S&P 500 index funds) that kept investing through the Covid downturn have done very well five years later and are benefitting from dollar cost averaging now.
I did so much DCA over the past 3 months I am all out of cash now. Or may be I am just poor. Honestly how many dips do you buy? We have been dipping every week. I am tired of living in "interesting times" now, please just give me some stability and days without news.
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At least, now you can have cheap eggs.
Sorry, that was very much unnecessary.
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Sorry clarity and transparency are things of past. In the Banana republic, it is whatever they want to charge on the particular day your order lands here.
So the rumor I'm seeing now is that the 30% or flat $25 fee will be up to the delivery company. Apparently they have the option to choose one or the other and will be allowed to change their choice once a month. My head is spinning.
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So the rumor I'm seeing now is that the 30% or flat $25 fee will be up to the delivery company. Apparently they have the option to choose one or the other and will be allowed to change their choice once a month. My head is spinning.
I have a feeling it will be $25 flat if it's more than 30% of the value of the item. If 30% is more than 25 then it will be 30%. Those companies will wring out every drop of juice in this carnage.
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What the order says is $25 or 30% whichever is greater.
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The Exact working of the Executive order: (The idiots that wrote it don't actually state which takes precedence, the 30% or $25 then $50.)
This implies to me, that CBP can charge whatever they feel like on lesser value items, until they are forced to clarify the policy.
Following the Secretary of Commerce’s notification that adequate systems are in place to collect tariff revenue, President Trump is ending duty-free de minimis treatment for covered goods from the People’s Republic of China (PRC) and Hong Kong starting May 2, 2025 at 12:01 a.m. EDT.
Imported goods sent through means other than the international postal network that are valued at or under $800 and that would otherwise qualify for the de minimis exemption will be subject to all applicable duties, which shall be paid in accordance with applicable entry and payment procedures.
All relevant postal items containing goods that are sent through the international postal network that are valued at or under $800 and that would otherwise qualify for the de minimis exemption are subject to a duty rate of either 30% of their value or $25 per item (increasing to $50 per item after June 1, 2025). This is in lieu of any other duties, including those imposed by prior Orders.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/04/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-closes-de-minimis-exemptions-to-combat-chinas-role-in-americas-synthetic-opioid-crisis/
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Another consideration is that the current regime is hell-bent on devaluing the USD, meaning the purchasing power of the few dollars we're left with is going to be about as pathetic as my FTP. In other words, the less favorable the exchange rate is, the less you can buy overseas (or at our northern/southern neighbors).
Admittedly, devaluing the currency isn't as easily accomplished as introducing new tariffs with a few pen strokes but one thing is clear, we're going to get f*cked in even more ways than Serge can imagine.
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Welp, now that China has retaliated, Trump has TRIPLED the De Minimis taxes starting May 2nd. I got nothing. ::)
May 2nd Charges:
30% went to 90%
$25 went to $75
June 1st Charges:
$50 went to $150
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As funny, almost bordering on childish, as it is. The rest of the world is shaking their heads wondering if this will stop. The US is the biggest importer in the world of goods and I feel sorry for everyone who has to now pay more for no real reason.
The downside is anything that is "US" made is being marked up because it now (or will) costs more to make and we the rest of the world are as also suffering. I am currently looking at sourcing alternate brands as items reach end of life. China is my friend.
Australia has always been expensive for overseas goods for various reasons. It was shipping/ distance and is now because everyone wants to sell in USD, plus a markup. Known as the "Australia Tax". Something that would cost $100 USD, can cost us on a good day $120 USD or more with our GST (goods and services tax) being a flat 10%.
It is going to be an interesting 4 years for you guys and also the rest of the world.
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Welp, now that China has retaliated, Trump has TRIPLED the De Minimis taxes starting May 2nd. I got nothing. ::)
May 2nd Charges:
30% went to 90%
$25 went to $75
June 1st Charges:
$50 went to $150
Can you help explaining the raise?
i do not quite get it..
lets say, you buy a product for 80 USD?
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Can you help explaining the raise?
i do not quite get it..
lets say, you buy a product for 80 USD?
If you bought a product for $80 today and it arrived after May 2nd but before June 1st, you would pay an additional $72 (90%) or $75 (Flat Rate). It is not clear how they will determine between using the 90% or flat $75 rate. If the product arrives after June 1st, you will pay the additional $150 flat rate.
So that $80 product in total would cost:
May 2nd - June 1st:
$152 - $155
After June 1st:
$230
And those figures are probably low end, as it doesn't include any "brokerage fees" that might charged by carriers like UPS for collecting the tariffs for you.
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As funny, almost bordering on childish,
Not getting what they want and throwing a tantrum IS childish. For the well-to-do the next 4 years (possibly the next decade) will be hard but for those struggling financially it will be brutal and the wealthy will be making buckets of money from the whole mess. I used to travel there 20+ times a year but it's too messed up right now financially and politically.
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I'm shaking my head as I don't understand how these tariffs are supposed to help Americans, who largely voted for Trump because of inflation during Biden's term...but I don't understand a lot of what he does.
The important question - if I order today from Aliexpress will it arrive before the tariffs kick in?
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Yes, that’s the risk with the stated deliverybdates probably challenged by the influx of last minute orders
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I'm shaking my head as I don't understand how these tariffs are supposed to help Americans, who largely voted for Trump because of inflation during Biden's term...but I don't understand a lot of what he does.
afaik, economic theory says that tariffs are inflationary, because they restrict trade, so stuff costs more, is harder to get...
I think trump stated that tariffs are meant to create an incentive for america to produce stuff domestically again. But that sort of things takes eons, and can hurt everyone for a long time until that happens, if it happens.
there's also the idea that trump is using the threat of tariffs to re-negotiate trade deals more favourable to the US, by forcing counterparts to the negotiation table - he does like making deals and being able to say that HE re-negotiated a trade deal with country X. The thing is that i dont see the US making bar tape and carbon frames, so why tax that? Are blanket tariffs a sound strategy? If everybody starts making their own bar tape again, then we might as well go back to sewing our own clothes, because where does the logic of on-shoring / re-shoring stop? People were crying a few days ago that the UK stopped making raw steel, i think. Afaik, raw steel needs iron ore, aka mining. So, does the UK want coal miners again? I thought people were quite pleased to shut down coal mines. Or, we want to produce raw steel, but import the ore? How does that make economic sense, or theoretical sense? we draw the line at steel yes, ore no? why? You could argue there's a national autonomy / defense aspect to producing steel. But then surely that doesnt apply to bar tape?
Nobody understands it, afaik. And there's a gap between "big picture, it makes sense" and "yeah but the reality is that X, Y and Z are suffering right now, in the name of an ideal". Also, the ideal of communism ends up putting people in camps. It's a very nice ideal, equality and shit, but somehow, implement it, and people die. So the idea, or ideal, that tariffs should solve this or that problem may be true big picture, long term, but at what cost short term, to how many?
I think the economic term is shit's fucked.
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Not getting what they want and throwing a tantrum IS childish. For the well-to-do the next 4 years (possibly the next decade) will be hard but for those struggling financially it will be brutal and the wealthy will be making buckets of money from the whole mess. I used to travel there 20+ times a year but it's too messed up right now financially and politically.
you'll still be able to get your carbon bits, it's called "origin washing". it'll take more effort, but there'll be ways.
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If you bought a product for $80 today and it arrived after May 2nd but before June 1st, you would pay an additional $72 (90%) or $75 (Flat Rate). It is not clear how they will determine between using the 90% or flat $75 rate. If the product arrives after June 1st, you will pay the additional $150 flat rate.
So that $80 product in total would cost:
May 2nd - June 1st:
$152 - $155
After June 1st:
$230
And those figures are probably low end, as it doesn't include any "brokerage fees" that might charged by carriers like UPS for collecting the tariffs for you.
In a large bearing cup, USA consumers will no longer make any purchases from China using the De Minimis process. This has been the intent of the last administration and now the new, using the guise of drug precursors and other banned or restricted goods. They don't let us know that one of the primary reasons is to regain profits lost by companies and importers that have lost product market share because many consumers were able to direct-purchase from foreign countries. (Bicycle parts are a small fraction of what was being imported through the $800 De Minimis.) They want their import fees, warehousing fees, and to be able to add dealer and shop markups based on these higher cumulative costs. (more profit per item, at a higher price, with the same amount of work.)
I believe that the high tariffs for most countries will be short lived. POTUS wants each country to come begging to him to make a deal. For the countries that kiss his ring, he will give exemptions and he can boast that he won. For countries that don't play his game, the USA will basically no longer import that country's goods.
Companies will band together/industries and file for exemptions, (6 month to 1 year process) and get them because what they sell is close to 100% dependent on foreign imports. 90+% of the bicycle industry will start to collapse as soon as importers start paying the tariffs. Therefore, they will be very motivated to file for exemptions. (Remember that this happened for the existing 20% Chinese tariffs for bicycle parts.)
Keep in mind that many large companies have been importing a much larger volume of consumers goods in anticipation of what POTUS has been doing. They are betting that they will have enough inventory to last through what is happening now. Unfortunately, small businesses, and niche products aren't included and will suffer, along with consumers like us who have enjoyed the benefits of Aliexpress, Temu and Shien
If this persists, consumers will lose access to many "convenience, consumable, and luxury items" because they will no longer be imported, or we can no longer afford them.
This reminds me of lifestyles one reads about in Russia.
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Damn. I had canceled my Elite wheels order because it wasn't going to make it in time and opted for some Tagoola wheels with expedited shipping. It'll be close, but wouldn't mind paying 30% tax if needed. Definitely won't risk it at 90% though!
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Damn. I had canceled my Elite wheels order because it wasn't going to make it in time and opted for some Tagoola wheels with expedited shipping. It'll be close, but wouldn't mind paying 30% tax if needed. Definitely won't risk it at 90% though!
Damn, I'm tempted to order gravel wheels as well. I have a few small orders coming in. Due to size, wheels will at least take 2 weeks. Not sure if it's worth it. Though I should probably be concerned about other things...you know like food, heath and survival! ;D
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What I'm gathering on Chinese social media, the general populace isn't very worried. If anything they'll miss Apple products (they really like Apple), but they can make do with what they have domestically since they already produce everything. According to the US vice president, they're just peasants anyways! ::)
The question, can those in US suburbia with a 5 bedroom home + 2 car garage and several SUVs have the same ability to weather the storm without daily household goods?
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It was fun while it lasted. POTUS just announced a total of $125% tariff on Chinese goods, and a 90 day pause on other countries. This is what I call progress!
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As I've posted in another thread, I have a bike that was paid for in mid Jan that hasn't left China yet and has been in transit within the country for over 14 days and hasn't moved for 5. The silly games being played by my POTUS is likely to cost me over 2k, or more than double what I originally purchased for. I'd just reject the goods, but I suspect they'll enter and I'll get billed anyway. I'm most certainly pissed.
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Here we go again....
Here are the tariffs still in effect:
145% duty on all goods from China
25% tariffs targeting aluminum, autos, goods from Canada and Mexico not under the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement
10% levy on all other imports
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-04-10/trump-tariffs-on-china-now-at-least-145-as-trade-war-ramps-up
" De minimis packages under $800, effective 2 May:
The US will tax imports of items priced up to $800 at a rate of 120% of their value, up from a prior plan to levy a 90% ad valorem tax.
The per postal item fee on goods entering after May 2 and before June 1 will rise to $100 from the planned $75. Parcels entering after June 1 will face a charge of $200 per item instead of $150 announced previously.
UPS and FedEx are reviewing brokerage fee charges for small packages to develop a more affordable option for low value packages. This is in response to the post office charging only $8.85 to clear packages with duties owed. "
::) ::) ::)
De Minimis is now more expensive than standard tariffs. At this point, just make it an embargo.
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This sounds too ridiculous to be serious. I keep thinking this is just a bluff/power move to have an upper hand on negotiations and it'll settle at a much more reasonable number.
But nothing is clear and that's the problem.
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This sounds too ridiculous to be serious.
But nothing is clear and that's the problem.
Made me think of that: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/21413849-nothing-is-true-and-everything-is-possible
Very nice book. I recommend.
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Props to the Chinese sellers and shippers. They're sending stuff to the US as fast as possible. I'm receiving last minute items almost every other day. I'm ordering simple stuff like tools and everyday items that will be hard to come by at a 145% tariff mark-up!
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Props to the Chinese sellers and shippers. They're sending stuff to the US as fast as possible. I'm receiving last minute items almost every other day. I'm ordering simple stuff like tools and everyday items that will be hard to come by at a 145% tariff mark-up!
I'd love to know if they have MORE or LESS order volume right now. You have all those too scared to risk getting hit, and all those rushing to get their last minute panic buying in.
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I'd love to know if they have MORE or LESS order volume right now. You have all those too scared to risk getting hit, and all those rushing to get their last minute panic buying in.
I am guessing still busier. I was consistently tracking my items to take 3 to 4 days max, to ship fro China to US Customs. My last order was placed on April 4th and arrived in Customs today. (April 10th) . (2 days slower.)
I am thinking about risking one last small order on or before April 16th...
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I can see a business forming for some enterprising Canadian. Create a drop address for US citizens and have things shipped to Canada. Then it "gets moved" over the border and posted internally through UPS / DHL etc..
Like the mail forwarders but slightly more manual. It is probably not legal, although if it is a "gift" then it doesn't get a tariff or insurance.
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I can see a business forming for some enterprising Canadian. Create a drop address for US citizens and have things shipped to Canada. Then it "gets moved" over the border and posted internally through UPS / DHL etc..
Like the mail forwarders but slightly more manual. It is probably not legal, although if it is a "gift" then it doesn't get a tariff or insurance.
They need to open one in Mexico as well. Tijuana will become a boom town for one stop shopping! TijuAliExpress! ;D
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I can see a business forming for some enterprising Canadian. Create a drop address for US citizens and have things shipped to Canada. Then it "gets moved" over the border and posted internally through UPS / DHL etc..
Like the mail forwarders but slightly more manual. It is probably not legal, although if it is a "gift" then it doesn't get a tariff or insurance.
Ahh, good luck with that. Risk jail as a smuggler over aliexpress stuff? No thank you.https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-04-10/trump-tariffs-on-china-now-at-least-145-as-trade-war-ramps-up
" De minimis packages under $800, effective 2 May:
The US will tax imports of items priced up to $800 at a rate of 120% of their value, up from a prior plan to levy a 90% ad valorem tax.
De Minimis is now more expensive than standard tariffs. At this point, just make it an embargo.
Well, they're not dumb-they're well aware of declared values on small items being lower than actual value...
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If the China tariffs last very long and other countries stay low, we’ll see a lot of warehousing in the low tariff countries since the added expense will probably be far less than 145%.
At some point there will likely be efforts to counter that but it would be even less logistically practical than eliminating De Minimis which I’m still skeptical about being sustainable. Customs would need 10X the employees and resources which would take years if it’s even possible at all.
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Interesting to see that the yuan to USD exchange rate is about where it was five years ago during peak Covid.
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How will Amazon combat this I am really curious to know. It is after all Aliexpress on steroids. Bezos greasing the right palms and wetting the beaks for getting exceptions?
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How will Amazon combat this I am really curious to know. It is after all Aliexpress on steroids. Bezos greasing the right palms and wetting the beaks for getting exceptions?
Abso-freakin-lutely. Bezos being given the primo seats during the inauguration seem to hint that he/they knew this was going to come eventually and he's got all the palms lined up for the greasin'.
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How will Amazon combat this I am really curious to know. It is after all Aliexpress on steroids. Bezos greasing the right palms and wetting the beaks for getting exceptions?
Even at 145% he could still be profitable.
Rockbros glove on Ali 7.42 USD-Jeff probably gets a break when he orders in quantity and he's not seeing min fees on import duties.
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256808036099693.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.9.2fe7xBcTxBcT87&algo_pvid=640097c4-2190-40d9-80d4-16295f4568e3&algo_exp_id=640097c4-2190-40d9-80d4-16295f4568e3-8&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22order%22%3A%2288%22%2C%22eval%22%3A%221%22%7D&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21USD%2115.14%217.42%21%21%21110.26%2154.03%21%402103146c17443984637252631ee277%2112000044284913888%21sea%21US%211699911272%21X&curPageLogUid=63IFQJynPbau&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch%7Cquery_from%3A (https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256808036099693.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.9.2fe7xBcTxBcT87&algo_pvid=640097c4-2190-40d9-80d4-16295f4568e3&algo_exp_id=640097c4-2190-40d9-80d4-16295f4568e3-8&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22order%22%3A%2288%22%2C%22eval%22%3A%221%22%7D&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21USD%2115.14%217.42%21%21%21110.26%2154.03%21%402103146c17443984637252631ee277%2112000044284913888%21sea%21US%211699911272%21X&curPageLogUid=63IFQJynPbau&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch%7Cquery_from%3A)
Same glove AFAIK on Amazon at 20 USD
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DLKRBCFT/ref=twister_B0DLKRDGMN?_encoding=UTF8&th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DLKRBCFT/ref=twister_B0DLKRDGMN?_encoding=UTF8&th=1)
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Free markets my ass. So basically you only buy from my friend's website and buy my friend's cars or else pay penalty.
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Even at 145% he could still be profitable.
Rockbros glove on Ali 7.42 USD-Jeff probably gets a break when he orders in quantity and he's not seeing min fees on import duties.
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256808036099693.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.9.2fe7xBcTxBcT87&algo_pvid=640097c4-2190-40d9-80d4-16295f4568e3&algo_exp_id=640097c4-2190-40d9-80d4-16295f4568e3-8&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22order%22%3A%2288%22%2C%22eval%22%3A%221%22%7D&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21USD%2115.14%217.42%21%21%21110.26%2154.03%21%402103146c17443984637252631ee277%2112000044284913888%21sea%21US%211699911272%21X&curPageLogUid=63IFQJynPbau&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch%7Cquery_from%3A (https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256808036099693.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.9.2fe7xBcTxBcT87&algo_pvid=640097c4-2190-40d9-80d4-16295f4568e3&algo_exp_id=640097c4-2190-40d9-80d4-16295f4568e3-8&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22order%22%3A%2288%22%2C%22eval%22%3A%221%22%7D&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21USD%2115.14%217.42%21%21%21110.26%2154.03%21%402103146c17443984637252631ee277%2112000044284913888%21sea%21US%211699911272%21X&curPageLogUid=63IFQJynPbau&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch%7Cquery_from%3A)
Same glove AFAIK on Amazon at 20 USD
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DLKRBCFT/ref=twister_B0DLKRDGMN?_encoding=UTF8&th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DLKRBCFT/ref=twister_B0DLKRDGMN?_encoding=UTF8&th=1)
Amazon ships those, but they're not the seller, Rockbros is (if enter a size you can look at the right panel under "sold by"). Amazon is just a storefront and shipper and charges a big fee for that, but never owns the merch. Most of the Asian goods on Amazon are handled that way. A very large percentage of Amazon's business is just warehousing and shipping, not acting as a retailer.
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Just when I was getting ready to setup a manufacturing plant, Reciprocal tariff exemption announced by USA for certain categories. Most notable of them being -
Computers, smartphones, servers, GPUs, almost all supporting hardware, semiconductor devices, circuit boards.
I wonder if more goods will duly exempted soon. Funnily enough, the exemption has been backdated to 5th April which makes me think none of this was real except a blatant market manipulation so the friends of family of the guy can print billions.
The USA just folded like a soda can as soon as China said they are all in, in this nonsense war.
Art of the deal.
MAGA cheers ensue.
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the minimi tariffs are kind of a great idea i wish they would have installed in Europe 10 Years ago..it would have saved many many companies from bankruptcy.
aliexpress sellers do not have to cope with the tremendous amount of laws, certs and neccessities , an european company HAS to deal with..
they basically fake all certs, all memberships for recycling, packing and all this stuff we have to pay for and can be held responsible for.
So , as a Germany based company, we cannot win against them, regarding prices...
basically, customers only buy what they cannot get via aliexpress...
But that is the only thing, i can understand if trump wants to help the local businesses.
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Parts of my small Ali Express order just hit US customs (according to Ali Express tracking.)
Not sure what happens next. Should I expect a notice from Customs that I need to pay a customs tax?
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Parts of my small Ali Express order just hit US customs (according to Ali Express tracking.)
Not sure what happens next. Should I expect a notice from Customs that I need to pay a customs tax?
Not sure. I've ordered a ton this last month or two with no issues, but it's been lots of small parcels. I have a pair of sneakers that have been in customs for 3-4 days now and are making me a little nervous.
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Yeah I think you are safe for now. All hell's gonna break loose after 2nd May. I had two separate orders come through yesterday and last Friday, no drama. But through UniUni. I am curious to know what UPS is doing with orders that cleared the US customs but haven't been delivered.
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I read that March imports from China were up over 12% as people/stores/business started stocking up on orders. I think that April imports will be up even higher, then all imports from China will crash in May.
I risked another Aliexpress order April 11th. The items have already made it into Customs. My April 4th order took 5 days to reach customs and passed through customs in 1 day.
A carbon rim I ordered March 17th appears to be missing in action. I have no proof that it has left China. [Package leaving origin country/region.
Apr 2, 01:47 (GMT-6)] On April 17th, I can submit a refund request because the item guarantees a 30 day delivery. The seller states I should receive it "any day"
I would rather have the rim. I wanted to build up one more wheel for my bikes. :'(
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A couple more orders clear es quickly for me too, putting another one tonight. Focusing on choice item to limit the risk
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I placed orders for 200+ items (building up two new bikes, plus a bunch of other hobbies items). Now still have 6 items still on the way. I have a gravel handlebar that they obviously put on a boat so it's been 15 days and no update on the tracking. I think my remaining items will all arrive before May 2nd but I'm sure there would be chaos immediately after, unless Trump tweets again extending the deminimus for another 90 days.
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Looks like everything cleared customs without any action from me. Biggest ticket items were crankset and brakes (just over $100). Lots of other little items in separate shipments that seems to have breezed through.
Wishing I had ordered a gravel frame a month ago. Not sure I want to risk getting hit with a 30% charge.
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I think I have a decent parts stockpile that I started back in November 2024. Plus I rotate my bikes to minimize wear-n-tear and have an immersive chain wax routine as well. This is definitely the Chinertown apocalypse for US forum members!
I did put in a Choice order on a few spare parts and an expedited wheelset from Tagoola. If they can deliver before May 2nd, they'll get a big kudos from me! ;D
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I have a pair of sneakers that have been in customs for 3-4 days now and are making me a little nervous.
Hmmm... Ali says that my package was chosen for a customs inspection and might be delayed for 7-10 days. It's already been in customs inspection for 3-4 days. Ugh.
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Yeah, happening a fair amount lately. My frame was held for 5 days by Chinese customs. Its also landed in USA but no tracking movement for 5 days...
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Yikes. Hopefully not an early roll out of the tariff plan.
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Yikes. Hopefully not an early roll out of the tariff plan.
Or, my fear is that even the people implementing these procedures at various offices, regional and local, don't know what they should be doing so they're just "winging it".
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Or, my fear is that even the people implementing these procedures at various offices, regional and local, don't know what they should be doing so they're just "winging it".
Yeah. That's even worse!
Like most, I'm pausing all ali buys until this thing gets figured out. Hopefully its not as bad as we think.
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Hong Kong post is going to ban packages heading to or coming from the US soon.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/15/business/hong-kong-suspends-postal-service-to-us-intl-hnk/index.html
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In related news the joke continues. The title of this thread needs to be updated to 245% as of today. Or actually hold on? It might be 500 a day after tomorrow then 1000 then a million %
https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/04/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-ensures-national-security-and-economic-resilience-through-section-232-actions-on-processed-critical-minerals-and-derivative-products/
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Hong Kong suspends postal service to the US after Trump’s tariff hikes
https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/15/business/hong-kong-suspends-postal-service-to-us-intl-hnk?
What does this mean for Ali express orders? Do they use HK postal service or do they have their own system? Does this mean that the chinertown gravy train ends today?
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Hong Kong suspends postal service to the US after Trump’s tariff hikes
https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/15/business/hong-kong-suspends-postal-service-to-us-intl-hnk?
What does this mean for Ali express orders? Do they use HK postal service or do they have their own system? Does this mean that the chinertown gravy train ends today?
I've never had anything go through HK Post. It could be an issue if an AliEx seller is HK based though. I think AliEx is shipping Choice items ASAP and companies like Talooga are expediting wheels through FedEx. May 2nd should hopefully still be the cutoff. I guess I'm a bit luckier because all my Choice packages go straight to the AliEx SoCal warehouse and delivered directly using a private courier. I'm not sure how the rest of the US will fare with last minute packages.
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Wow! another complete spinoff regarding the tariffs that I just read about. Shipping container bookings out of China and other Asian countries have dropped by 60%. Due to massive order cancellations by US companies, and China restricting export of many goods. March and April shipping container deliveries were up by around 25% as US companies prepared for the Tariffs to take effect in May.
How does this impact the USA? 2 huge impacts one hasn't heard about in our mainstream news.
1. With 60% fewer cargo ships unloading in USA ports, this means 60% fewer ships transporting American goods to other countries. More competition for few ships = huge increased in per container shipping costs. (Remember Covid? Container shipping went from $3K per container to $10K)
2. With so many ships impacted, it is predicted that many ships will be taken out of service for "Maintenance" - Happened during Covid times. The removal of so many ships from the global fleet will impact many other countries. Canada, Mexico, South America, because many of these ships transport US goods to other countries on there way back to Asia.
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So a wee bit of good news for those with items in transit. My bike from Tantan arrived today, despite still tracking on 17track as sitting this am. Called USPS service line and they told me (automated) it was out for delivery.
No customs hassle. Qualified as de minimis, no questions asked.
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Maybe a silly question here, but does the May 2 date apply to the date of purchase or the date of arrival in a US port?
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It will depend on who does custom duty charges I think. If it’s done directly on AliExpress like sales tax, the. Date of purchase, if done by the shipping company/postal service it will be the day it cleared custom. Just WAG
Ali seems to be doing a great job of getting stuff moving quickly right now
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Maybe a silly question here, but does the May 2 date apply to the date of purchase or the date of arrival in a US port?
My understanding is for any package submitted to US customs after 11:59 and 59 seconds on May 1st, the existing De Minimus process for Chinese goods ends. At exactly 12:00am May 2nd, any package arriving in customs will be processed through the new Type 11 process. (Basically Tariffs and any associated fees must be paid)
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Look at the bright side. While everyone will be going crazy in the US with rising cost of living leading to mass riots and protests, we'll have an ample supply of tariff/tax free bike transportation! ;D
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Maybe a silly question here, but does the May 2 date apply to the date of purchase or the date of arrival in a US port?
Date of arrival, certainly.
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I couldn't help but bought a lot of stuffs off Aliexpress today. I think they'll arrive before 5/2. But after today it'll be increasingly higher risk.
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I couldn't help but bought a lot of stuffs off Aliexpress today. I think they'll arrive before 5/2. But after today it'll be increasingly higher risk.
Yeah, I made what is most likely my final order (the last of my 'final' orders, lol) the other day and noticed that they actually took a day or so longer to start shipping than usual. Some of them just shipped today even though I put the order in 2 days ago. I'm guessing I'm not the only one getting in lots of 'final' orders. My orders from the other week all seem to be hitting USPS locally except for one package (the only ONE I actually care about) that has been stuck in customs for over a week! I really hope it actually clears and does so soon.
My newest 'final' orders is all stuff I could have done without, probably, but it was all low dollar stuff that I will eventually use even if prices don't go up, and especially will come in handy if/when prices or availability become an issue.
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My last package until tariffs cool off just landed. Good luck to all you crazies still risking it.
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BBC reports that DHL has suspended deliveries to US. I expect something like this-commercial accounts get billed for tariff after delivery and DHL can collect. With consumers, less likely, and they don't want to warehouse until tariff paid up front. Sorry guys.
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They stopped delivery of b2c shipment above $800 from what I read
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They stopped delivery of b2c shipment above $800 from what I read
Yes, for now. But as of 5/2 I suspect it'll be all goods unless there's a streamlined process.
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The admin just folded and backed down saying USA won't play hardball and Bessent saying America doesn't want to be alone in this trade war. Does that mean we are expecting new, lower numbers soon?
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You can only expect the unexpected.
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I was mentally prepared for these tariffs to kick-in. On top of that de minimis is going to be eliminated, so we're not going to see any of the deals like before. AliExpress already has been consolidating Choice packages, so they're 2 steps ahead. Honestly, they should just go through with the high tariffs, it'll make the month of May quite interesting! ::)
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Yeah the post 2nd May times are what I am interested in. The admin will probably have a new toy to play with then.
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On my wishlist I'm seeing increased prices and quite a few items now can't be shipped to my location. (US)
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Yep on AliExpress I'm seeing:
- Choice items shipped by AliExpress: around double the price because tariffs are included.
- Items shipped by global sellers: huge tariffs charged separately at checkout.
- Many items not deliverable to the US.
- Some items with local shipping from US so no tariffs.
I also saw EliteWheels on AliExpress doesn't have tariffs. I ordered some in Jan when the first tariffs were announced but somehow they found a way to get them into the US and then ship them by UPS Ground from CA to FL so I was not charged any tariffs.
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I think Trump is bluffing and will back down on May 3rd extending the deminimus termination date for another 90 days or something.
We'll wait and see.
The stuffs I ordered in the past 2 months will get me going on my hobbies for quite a few months.
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I think Trump is bluffing and will back down on May 3rd extending the deminimus termination date for another 90 days or something.
We'll wait and see.
The stuffs I ordered in the past 2 months will get me going on my hobbies for quite a few months.
Sadly this is affecting many small businesses and entrepreneurs. I'm hearing stories of businesses that will just cease to operate because of these tariffs. It's one thing to have a bike hobby, it's another thing when your whole livelihood is completely f**ked and you can't pay for your house, car, food, etc.
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I just found out that on AliExpress, many sellers have their items listed as "shipped from the US" now, albeit at a higher price than just a couple of weeks ago. But this way at least we don't need worry about the Trump tariffs. The cheap stuffs era are probably gone. Or I might just do some vacation in China and focus my buyings over there.
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Strong advocate for the tariffs. Hopefully our companies make more of an effort to manufacture goods locally now. Sucks we can't get our frames as cheap anymore, but it's a price we have to pay to Make America Great Again. Z.
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Strong advocate for the tariffs. Hopefully our companies make more of an effort to manufacture goods locally now. Sucks we can't get our frames as cheap anymore, but it's a price we have to pay to Make America Great Again. Z.
You're an idiot. No one is going to start manufacturing in the US. Even brands that started in the US and recently moved manufacturing to Asia said they are not coming back. This will only lead to higher prices and small brands closing.
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You're an idiot. No one is going to start manufacturing in the US. Even brands that started in the US and recently moved manufacturing to Asia said they are not coming back. This will only lead to higher prices and small brands closing.
That dude is a troll bot. Pay no attention. The only thing he’s making great again is his mom’s basement! ;D
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My package that was held up in customs for about 2 weeks finally cleared. Might even be delivered today. Unfortunately, literally the same day it cleared customs (I think 15 days being held) I had panicked and ordered the same package again thinking it wouldn't make it. That package shipped ultra fast and might be delivered tomorrow. Oh well. 2x items is fine, I guess.
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No one is going to start manufacturing in the US.
Most people don't understand the astronomical cost of moving manufacturing facilities/infrastructure and the absolute nightmare it would have on production. Its a pipe dream. Big corporations will find tariff loopholes or worst case scenario, find some other country with cheap labor to move to.
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i just received my very LAST AliExpress bike order, pre-tariff prices. At this point, I won't be buying anything bike related in the near future. I'm now going through some of my old equipment and seeing what I can rebuild and/or refurbish. I'm now thinking of using my older gravel frame for the more gnarly terrain (narrow single track, baby heads, trail ruts, etc.). All it takes is one bad wipe out and my newly build gravel frame and groupset is toast with no affordable replacement!
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My last item just arrived! I am free an clear of all my Aiexpress orders. For me, it is the end of a great consumer era here in the USA. One thing I am wondering about is warranty issues with everything I have recently purchased. If my most recent Wheetop groupo purchases have issues, I doubt that Wheeltop will send replacements for free.
Remember that the $800 De Minimus is gone may 1st! Even if the Tariffs are removed, there will be other new fees and costs added in order to get packages processed through customs.
Time will tell...
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I just found out that on AliExpress, many sellers have their items listed as "shipped from the US" now, albeit at a higher price than just a couple of weeks ago. But this way at least we don't need worry about the Trump tariffs. The cheap stuffs era are probably gone. Or I might just do some vacation in China and focus my buyings over there.
I don't think it's that dire imho - it's just that AE prices will be roughly equivalent to say Harbor Freight. AE and Temu just carry super-economy stuff that HF didn't before because they didn't think there was a market for it. Now they do.
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Regarding Aliexpress items that "ships from USA"
I am 0 out of 5 for ever receiving any items I have ordered from Aliexpress where they state the item ships from the USA.
Every time I have placed a "ships from USA", several weeks pass without the item being shipped, Then, I ask why the item hasn't shipped and the seller states that the item is not available. Then, I ask for a refund, and a week later, I get the refund.
For me, each of these orders were sale items, with coins and coupons. I suspect that what I paid for the item is less than what the USA warehouse wants to sell the item for, so they wont ship the item to me.
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Regarding Aliexpress items that "ships from USA"
I am 0 out of 5 for ever receiving any items I have ordered from Aliexpress where they state the item ships from the USA.
Every time I have placed a "ships from USA", several weeks pass without the item being shipped, Then, I ask why the item hasn't shipped and the seller states that the item is not available. Then, I ask for a refund, and a week later, I get the refund.
For me, each of these orders were sale items, with coins and coupons. I suspect that what I paid for the item is less than what the USA warehouse wants to sell the item for, so they wont ship the item to me.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the product was never in a USA warehouse to begin with. This has happened to be twice on Ebay. I've ordered a part and paid more SPECIFICALLY because it was listed as shipping from the USA, only to wait multiple weeks and get a package shipped from China.
Now that De Minimis is gone, lying about shipping location to attract buyers is no longer a viable strategy.
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I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the product was never in a USA warehouse to begin with. This has happened to be twice on Ebay. I've ordered a part and paid more SPECIFICALLY because it was listed as shipping from the USA, only to wait multiple weeks and get a package shipped from China.
Now that De Minimis is gone, lying about shipping location to attract buyers is no longer a viable strategy.
Its a crap shoot for sure. I've gotten a few cheap bike parts shipped from US warehouses by chinese sellers. Most recently a shimano bb that just arrived today. Shipped from within my state, but seller was a chinese address.
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Sad trombone:
Shipping update - Shipment canceled
Apr 30, 10:28 EST
The seller has shipped your package.
Apr 22, 10:29 EST
Your package is currently being prepared.
Apr 11, 19:34 EST
Your order has been successfully created
Apr 11, 19:34 EST
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Well dang it. I ordered an AWST carbon frame from Aliexpress on April 21. I was hoping it was going to ship after a few days like my Elite wheels did. Estimated shipping date is May 14. Thinking of cancelling if I'm going to get totally screwed on duty fees.
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You are correct! I ordered a bunch of "ship from USA" items last week and they gave me USPS tracking number. However, after 4 days, the status still shows "waiting for item" at Los Angeles. That is where the port from Chinese cargo ship is! I'm pretty sure they are still shipped from China. I am currently trying to contact customer service to cancel these orders. I'm not paying the hundreds of dollars in customs fees.
Don't fall for the "shipped from USA" trap!
Regarding Aliexpress items that "ships from USA"
I am 0 out of 5 for ever receiving any items I have ordered from Aliexpress where they state the item ships from the USA.
Every time I have placed a "ships from USA", several weeks pass without the item being shipped, Then, I ask why the item hasn't shipped and the seller states that the item is not available. Then, I ask for a refund, and a week later, I get the refund.
For me, each of these orders were sale items, with coins and coupons. I suspect that what I paid for the item is less than what the USA warehouse wants to sell the item for, so they wont ship the item to me.
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I had a close call yesterday, losing traction and falling on my gravel bike. The first thing that went through my head, was hoping the bike was okay! I scraped my leg, but at least I'll heal! Not being able to replace a high tariff bike is far more important! Luckily I fell on my non-drive side and the blunt of the impact was mostly on my cheap nylon SPD pedals and thru axle release handle! In fact the thru axle saved my chain stays from potential damage!
So yeah, everyone should be a tad more careful on your Chinese bike frames, we can't easily replace them now! ;D
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So yeah, everyone should be a tad more careful on your Chinese bike frames, we can't easily replace them now! ;D
Pretty sure most of our non-chinese bike frames are all Chinese anyway. And, if you happen to own one of the handful of brands and models that aren't made in China, then you're probably not worried about a silly little thing like "replacement cost" anyway, lol
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Last day of the de minimis. This is it folks. Even if tariffs vanish I think days of shopping on every Choice day are over for me.
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We'll see what Trump will do. He is a business man who changes a lot just trying to get what he wants. I don't think he really cares about shopping on Ali and Temu but this is probably his "cards" that he "created" for negotiation.
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I woke up today feeling somehow different. No compulsion to look at "beginning of the month Choice and dollar" deals. No reason to spend endless hours searching for cool new items, or deals. No need to save coins and coupons.
Where I live, Spring has sprung, and its riding time. For some unknown period of time, it's time to put Aliexpress behind me as a past experience in life. :( :'(
I just wish I had stocked up on more tires...
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I'm still keeping up with my coins. I have access to a few international addresses I can ship stuff to. Though I would have to plan to have somebody pick up my items or take a trip myself to get the items. Hmm, what can I ship to Canada that will fit in a carry-on? ;D
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I just wish I had stocked up on more tires...
You get tires from Ali? The only items I don't use from AliExpress are tires, chains and bike kit.
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You get tires from Ali? The only items I don't use from AliExpress are tires, chains and bike kit.
Ditto on the tires and chains. But I have gotten a few pieces of clothing from Ali and have been impressed.
My other hard 'NO' for Ali stuff is helmets and water bottles.
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I got tires from AliEx, multiple times. Continentals for my cheapo rim brake builds that I did over last few years. Still have a couple of left in 28c. All have been fine. It was also the first time when I got brown (not tan) walled tires. I wish GP5000s were reasonably priced, there wasn't much benefit to buying them on AliEx.
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Ditto on the tires and chains. But I have gotten a few pieces of clothing from Ali and have been impressed.
My other hard 'NO' for Ali stuff is helmets and water bottles.
Actually I should specify I don't buy bibs from AliEx. I've tried a few and they don't give me that snug fit around the crown jewels! I do use AliEx gloves, cycling caps, double zipper wind vests and breathable cycling socks.
Strangely, I'm okay with AliEx helmets and magnetic water bottles for my gravel bike. I've crashed multiple times on road/dirt and my helmets have been fine. I specifically use magnetic bottles for gravel due to the fine grit dirt here in California. That stuff just scratches up traditional bottles like crazy. For my road bike I stick with CamelBak bottles.
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I got tires from AliEx, multiple times. Continentals for my cheapo rim brake builds that I did over last few years. Still have a couple of left in 28c. All have been fine. It was also the first time when I got brown (not tan) walled tires. I wish GP5000s were reasonably priced, there wasn't much benefit to buying them on AliEx.
My go-to tires are Panaracers from eBay, which seem to be cheaper buying on eBay as opposed to other vendors. My favorite for road are the Panaracer Agilest Duro. They come with an additional protection layer, but still weigh less than other tubeless road tires. Also I'm a hardcore 25c tire guy on road bikes and their 25c tires mount tubeless easily. For gravel I just get GravelKings. The new X1s are nice.
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My go-to tires are Panaracers from eBay, which seem to be cheaper buying on eBay as opposed to other vendors. My favorite for road are the Panaracer Agilest Duro. They come with an additional protection layer, but still weigh less than other tubeless road tires. Also I'm a hardcore 25c tire guy on road bikes and their 25c tires mount tubeless easily. For gravel I just get GravelKings. The new X1s are nice.
Mine too. Just got the Panaracers for my Dao wheels, from Amazon sold via 365cycles. $42 a pop, not bad. I always go for Panaracer GKs even on my endurance bike that I mostly used on the road.
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I'm still keeping up with my coins. I have access to a few international addresses I can ship stuff to. Though I would have to plan to have somebody pick up my items or take a trip myself to get the items. Hmm, what can I ship to Canada that will fit in a carry-on? ;D
ship it to Canada, ride it once, rinko it and voila!
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You get tires from Ali? The only items I don't use from AliExpress are tires, chains and bike kit.
I got a pair of tubeless continental terra trails for $40 for upcoming gravel build. They seem legit. I’ll see how they work out. Their price has since gone up to about $50 each.
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ship it to Canada, ride it once, rinko it and voila!
Alaska Air flies to Vancouver airport (YVR) direct from Los Angeles. They only charge regular baggage fees ($35 USD) to ship a bike up to 70 lbs. Though I pack a bunch other items in there (you know for cushion ;D ) and I'm still under 50 lbs. of stuff! I use them every chance I get when flying with my bike. That's also one of the reasons I don't use integrated bars/stem spacers, since it's easier to pack. :)
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that's a brilliant tip, cheers!
I do all my "real" mountain biking around Denver, but one of these days...
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Anyone place an order before May 2nd from AliExpress and received after? I have a pair of rims I ordered back in March that are stuck in customs. I'm assuming I'll get smacked with a big tariff charge.
F'n mess.
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I'm still keeping up with my coins. I have access to a few international addresses I can ship stuff to. Though I would have to plan to have somebody pick up my items or take a trip myself to get the items. Hmm, what can I ship to Canada that will fit in a carry-on? ;D
Dildos! a carry one suitcase full of dildos, just to troll airport security! Yes or yes?
Anyone place an order before May 2nd from AliExpress and received after? I have a pair of rims I ordered back in March that are stuck in customs. I'm assuming I'll get smacked with a big tariff charge.
F'n mess.
I think i heard that what counts is the export date, ie the date when the parcel left china. If that happened before the cut off, you're supposed to be safe
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Dildos! a carry one suitcase full of dildos, just to troll airport security! Yes or yes?
I think i heard that what counts is the export date, ie the date when the parcel left china. If that happened before the cut off, you're supposed to be safe
I've no idea! Does that count for de minimus too or just the tariff on $800+? I guess I'll find out. Been in customs for 2 weeks already and says 'u.s.a. customs clearance of import u.s.' since 4/21.
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I've no idea! Does that count for de minimus too or just the tariff on $800+? I guess I'll find out. Been in customs for 2 weeks already and says 'u.s.a. customs clearance of import u.s.' since 4/21.
I recently had a package get hung up at a US customs step for about 2 weeks. In fact, it was longer than 2 weeks. Because after 2 weeks with no updates I decided to re-order so as not to miss out on the item with the upcoming deadlines in case it never cleared. Just my luck it cleared a couple of days later so now I have 2 of that item (the second order arrived in record time, no customs hangup).
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Dildos! a carry one suitcase full of dildos, just to troll airport security! Yes or yes?
I was thinking one of those silicone dolls packed in my carry-on luggage should suffice! ;D
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Just got notification it's moving again. UPS has it. We'll see if it's hit with tariff bill. I've not had anything yet so I assume it's ok as I don't think they'd release it from customs without a paid invoice.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/temu-halts-shipments-to-us-from-china-de-minimis-tariffs/
"President Trump on April 30 said the import duty exemption for parcels worth $800 or less amounted to "a big scam going on against our country, against really small businesses.""
ROFL. Literally everything that comes out of this dude's disgusting pie hole is a lie.
The only ones that will benefit from closing this loop hole are BIG businesses. Tariffs are going to absolutely DESTROY small businesses that don't have the capital to absorb the losses...or bribe him for an exception.
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Yeah, after he got rid of the $800 de minimus, we the consumer will have to buy pretty much the same stuffs at a higher markup by the rich middleman like Amazon.
Manufacturing is not coming back to the US in any way. My kids are not going to work in those sweatshop factories, putting tiny tiny screws onto iPhones and whatnot.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/temu-halts-shipments-to-us-from-china-de-minimis-tariffs/
"President Trump on April 30 said the import duty exemption for parcels worth $800 or less amounted to "a big scam going on against our country, against really small businesses.""
ROFL. Literally everything that comes out of this dude's disgusting pie hole is a lie.
The only ones that will benefit from closing this loop hole are BIG businesses. Tariffs are going to absolutely DESTROY small businesses that don't have the capital to absorb the losses...or bribe him for an exception.
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Go ahead and bash Trump but note that last year House Democrats also attempted to end the de minimis exemption.
https://prosperousamerica.org/house-democrats-take-lead-on-closing-de-minimis-loophole-going-against-amazon-fedex-others/
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Go ahead and bash Trump but note that last year House Democrats also attempted to end the de minimis exemption.
https://prosperousamerica.org/house-democrats-take-lead-on-closing-de-minimis-loophole-going-against-amazon-fedex-others/
Yes, anyone paying attention knows both sides are terrible and Americas two team politics are basically one team, but this source is a joke. Whataboutsim is a weak argument and doesn't change the fact that Trump, MAGA politicians, and Project 2025 are why this is happening now and with such seemingly shortsightedness that will only benefit large corporations and the ultra rich.
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Well…looks like some not so terrible news in all this mess.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/us-weighs-plan-to-slash-china-tariffs-to-as-low-as-50-down-from-145-as-soon-as-next-week-sources/ar-AA1EqkSu
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Well…looks like some not so terrible news in all this mess.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/us-weighs-plan-to-slash-china-tariffs-to-as-low-as-50-down-from-145-as-soon-as-next-week-sources/ar-AA1EqkSu
So we'll just pay 50% on the national import tax? Wow we're so lucky, thank you Führer...I mean President! ::)
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So we'll just pay 50%
Old news. That was yesterday morning which in current times was ages ago.
Today the king said, in these exact words - "“80% Tariff on China seems right! Up to Scott B"
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No surprise, but it looks like gravel carbon wheelsets are some of the first bike components to sell out. I'm noticing inventory is shrinking and wheels that used to be in ample stock are now out of stock. :(
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From US stocks?
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Which ones? Elitewheels?
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From US stocks?
I'm always surfing bike parts on Amazon, so I feel like it's an early indicator of what's selling since third party vendors list their inventory stock on there. A month ago there were quite a few gravel wheelsets, but I'm seeing very little available.
Which ones? Elitewheels?
Elite Wheel gravel wheelsets are gone. Super Team gravel wheels which were plentiful are also sold out. I'm sure the higher priced gravel wheelsets will start to dwindle.
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Looks like the Chinese Tariffs are dropping back down to 30%. WOW! What a deal! Except... The bicycle industry in the USA has lost all of its tariff exemptions put in place back when the tariffs were only 20%, plus the $800 De Minimis is gone, and it is still not clear what process or fees we will have to pay in order to get items ordered from China through US customs.
I read that the Bicycle industry sent a letter to the Office of the President stating that POTUS had in effect destroyed the US bicycle industry. To date, no feedback from POTUS, but my understanding is that the Bicycle industry has already filed for Tariff exemptions.
What a waste of time, money and people's economic livelihood. All this to suck out another 10% tax on the average American consumer?
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Don't forget this is for 90 days.
Which means there is another round of this circus sometime in July unless the guy wakes up at midnight someday and fires off tweets saying 30% isn't good.
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It looks like a lot of "national tax" pricing has been baked into prices of items. At least for me, my Choice items get delivered by private courier direct from the distribution warehouse. I want to see how this will pan out for various small items. ;D
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Ha anyone actually ordered and received items from Aliexpress since May 2nd? I have been trying to find and read what the new system is dealing with items from China and Hong Kong. Without the De Minimis, supposedly all the lower value items are supposed to be processed through the modified Type 11 Customs process.
Except... There are some some interpretations of different fees that are being charged depending on the level of automation and involvement by Customs. Plus there are some percentage Tariff versus fixed charge regarding the tariffs.n On top of this, something about a huge fee being charged by USPS and/or the delivery carrier. See below from one article I copied this from.
Entry Type 11 fees:
$2.62 for Automated Entry or Release Not Prepared by CBP Personnel:
$7.85 for Manual Entry or Release Not Prepared by CBP Personnel
$11.78 for Entry or Release Prepared by CBP Personnel
In this example we will look at a shipment with customs value of $20 and country of manufacture of China. In this example, the shipment will qualify for Automated Entry or Release Not Prepared by CBP Personnel. The steps for calculating costs would be:
Since the shipment will be processed as Automated Entry or Release Not Prepared by CBP Personnel it will incur a $2.62 fee.
Since the Country of Origin is China, it will incur 20% IEEPA and 125% (now 10% for the next 90 days) retaliatory tariffs.
Therefore, a $20 shipment will have a $2.62 additional fee from customs clearance and $29.00 tariff fee. Additionally, if it was mailed through the postal system there would be an additional 120% fee or $100 fee decided upon by the carrier.
The above examples assume that the merchant and their carrier complied with all the declaration requirements and, therefore, there were no additional delays. In cases of non-compliance, shipments will be held at customs, and further charges will be incurred for storage and brokerage. If the shipments are held too long, they will be “Returned to Sender” at the merchant’s expense, auctioned off, or destroyed.
Still very confusing regarding how much consumers will actually end up paying...
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Except... There are some some interpretations of different fees that are being charged depending on the level of automation and involvement by Customs. Plus there are some percentage Tariff versus fixed charge regarding the tariffs.n On top of this, something about a huge fee being charged by USPS and/or the delivery carrier. See below from one article I copied this from.
Still very confusing regarding how much consumers will actually end up paying...
While checking social media, I am seeing lot of people posting how UPS is ripping making money off of them by charging something called "broker fee". For example one guy was asked to pay nearly $400 in government charges (lol) and another 275 in UPS brokerage charge (LOL), so nearly $700. The package wasn't even from China but somewhere in Europe.