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Chinese Carbon Road Bikes => Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components => Topic started by: PeterXu on January 17, 2025, 06:25:24 AM
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Sorry, last topic I made seems doesn't work fine. So this is new one.
Attachments are our newest carbon crankset which would be released after Chinese New Year holiday. 165mm size is under testing, 325+/-5g/ set including 29mm DUB 7075 aluminum spindle, 24mm titanium spindle would be availlable as well.
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What is the interface to the spider?
If it’s 3 bolt, NICE! I can use my Magene PM. I passed on some frames because of BB86 and lack of carbon cranks with 24mm spindles that had 3 bolt interfaces. Titanium spindle makes that build much more do-able. Still might be interested in the DUB now that I have a T47 frame coming
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What is the interface to the spider?
If it’s 3 bolt, NICE! I can use my Magene PM. I passed on some frames because of BB86 and lack of carbon cranks with 24mm spindles that had 3 bolt interfaces. Titanium spindle makes that build much more do-able. Still might be interested in the DUB now that I have a T47 frame coming
Easton style. There might be patent problem on 3 bolts design that is why we don't do bolts version.
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Do you have any price for the 24mm titanium version?
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Do you have any price for the 24mm titanium version?
No yet. 24mm titanium version won't be available until March or early April.
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What's the alu price? Q-factor? any stiffness test comparisons against the competition?
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Interesting!
Is the spindle swappable for different lengths? Is it compatible with the Easton spindles?
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the spindle-crank interface looks identical to cybrei, the arms are different, so no and yes.
Like the cranks arms actually, there were complaints about clearance issues with the straight arms like elilee and cybrei
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Looks great, would be interested in a 24mm titanium version.
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the spindle-crank interface looks identical to cybrei, the arms are different, so no and yes.
Like the cranks arms actually, there were complaints about clearance issues with the straight arms like elilee and cybrei
Ah yes, I realized looking at it that the preload collar threads are on the spindle vs. on the crank. I sure hope they are swappable though, would be nice to be able to get different lengths for gravel setups etc.
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I got some pictures from the preproduction models. Weight should remain the same for production.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/N8YueX3CwPc6cgfh7
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I got some pictures from the preproduction models. Weight should remain the same for production.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/N8YueX3CwPc6cgfh7
Looks good, but too bad they won't do 3-bolt interface though... There are already a lot cranks that look the same as these, but none 24mm and 3 bolt
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@PeterXu do the factory and designers making this have experience making big brand or Chinese brand thermoplastic cranks?
SRAM had early problems with delaminating inserts and a few cracks. Easton had a lot of issues early on, and still some now. Various cheap Chinese ones have had the same. Quality Chinese ones from Incolor and Elilee both had extensive issues initially.
I.E. If the factory and designers have experience, we might expect the launch product to work fine. If not ... I think it may be a mess.
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considering the crank-to-arm interfaces are a 1-to-1 Cybrei copy (probably from the same machine shop), I expect there's probably some other Cybrei sauce in there too
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Sorry, last topic I made seems doesn't work fine. So this is new one.
Attachments are our newest carbon crankset which would be released after Chinese New Year holiday. 165mm size is under testing, 325+/-5g/ set including 29mm DUB 7075 aluminum spindle, 24mm titanium spindle would be availlable as well.
Whats the suggested retail price for this Peter?
Im finding multiple brands are basically doing the same style/design of crank
Lexon
CarbonBike Kit
Sprill/pass quest
Cybrei
Elile
Riro
Leese
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Looks good, but too bad they won't do 3-bolt interface though... There are already a lot cranks that look the same as these, but none 24mm and 3 bolt
Same here, I want 24 axle so badly, but I don't want to get rid of my good old p2Max 3-bolt spider PM...
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The DUB 29mm aluminum spindle version could be pre-ordered now, the lead time would be 30-45 days.
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Watching with interest. Need the 24mm version.
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The DUB 29mm aluminum spindle version could be pre-ordered now, the lead time would be 30-45 days.
Is there a price Peter?
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Is there a price Peter?
230 USD/ set for DUB 29mm aluminum version crankset only
We offer spider, different versions chainrings as well: https://photos.app.goo.gl/XwGd4ANeadbm8yrX8
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Im guessing no 8 bolt version either?
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any plans to make other crank lengths? Looking for 155 or 160.
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any plans to make other crank lengths? Looking for 155 or 160.
Yes, next size would be 170mm, then 160mm or 155mm
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I'm super excited for the 24 titanium version. Will be curious to see what spider power meters are compatible.
Currently all my Shimano built bikes run either 29mm DUB/Quarq spindles or Magene PES Base power meters. The Magene probably is most ideal since it's 24mm, but is a bit heavy if you're a weight weenie. And spending $850 on the Cybrei setup is a tall request.
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it's already confirmed to be easton mount standard...
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I'm waiting for 24mm titanium 172.5mm ;D
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@PeterXu do the factory and designers making this have experience making big brand or Chinese brand thermoplastic cranks?
SRAM had early problems with delaminating inserts and a few cracks. Easton had a lot of issues early on, and still some now. Various cheap Chinese ones have had the same. Quality Chinese ones from Incolor and Elilee both had extensive issues initially.
I.E. If the factory and designers have experience, we might expect the launch product to work fine. If not ... I think it may be a mess.
@Peter
Can you comment on this?
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230 USD/ set for DUB 29mm aluminum version crankset only
We offer spider, different versions chainrings as well: https://photos.app.goo.gl/XwGd4ANeadbm8yrX8
Nice, just patiently waiting for 24mm 165mm version then
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Looks good nice plain and simple :-)
Ok now wait for the new Quick Pro ER:One some XM Wheels Ultegea and this crank and I'm ready to go!
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So this will work with the Magene P505 power meter, or am I being daft? If so, that'd be great. As Pat said, the P505 is a porker at 800g+. (170mm & 52/36)
I need to drop some weight from the Magene crank or go to pedal based PM.
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So this will work with the Magene P505 power meter, or am I being daft? If so, that'd be great. As Pat said, the P505 is a porker at 800g+. (170mm & 52/36)
No, Magene uses its own proprietary interface for the P505 Base cranks, and does not make an Easton version for the P505 spider. Both XCadey and Sigeyi make power meters to suit the Easton crank interface.
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What makes you think it would be p505 compatible?
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What makes you think it would be p505 compatible?
I'm not familiar with the "easton mounting standard". The Magene P505 PM spider is round and has four mounting bolts, not unlike those pictured in this thread (which are apparently compatible). raisinberry777 set me straight. I'm just not that into my p505. I thought having a PM would be the final frontier, but the p505 added 100g+ to my bike, and the data isn't *that* useful.
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This is still more expensive for me than the Lexon/Ryet branded one on Ali.
What advantages does this offer? No 24mm yet?
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with the lexon redesign to make it cheaper to produce, this is lighter
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Looking for a crank + PM + chainrings for a new build. Would love it to be reasonably light, 165, 167.5 or 170mm cranklenght.
Love ordering via Peter, since I have nothing but good experience with him.
However, I have a few questions:
A lot of ppl seem to wait for:
What is the difference between 24 en 29mm? Why would you rather have 24mm?
For the titanium I guess its stronger or lighter (or both) than alu?
Furthermore, what powermeter (spider) and chainrings would you go for? I love a closed ring and riding 52/36.
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The main reason to wait for 24mm is for people with a BB86 frame, since a 29mm DUB crank (made of aluminium) requires the use of smaller bearings. 24mm needs steel or titanium - aluminium has a risk of shearing at those smaller diameters. Weight is roughly the same or slightly in favour of the aluminium cranks normally. If you have any other type of frame you might as well use the 29mm version.
Chinese PM options are XCadey or Sigeyi, they use the Easton interface.
Best Chinese chainring options are Stone or Pass Quest. Lexon is another option.
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The main reason to wait for 24mm is for people with a BB86 frame, since a 29mm DUB crank (made of aluminium) requires the use of smaller bearings. 24mm needs steel or titanium - aluminium has a risk of shearing at those smaller diameters. Weight is roughly the same or slightly in favour of the aluminium cranks normally. If you have any other type of frame you might as well use the 29mm version.
Chinese PM options are XCadey or Sigeyi, they use the Easton interface.
Best Chinese chainring options are Stone or Pass Quest. Lexon is another option.
Thanks!
Since I'm going for a BSA BB frame, I can just as wel go for the 29mm spindle :)
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For me, the biggest reason to choose 24mm is that with a BSA or BB86 frame, the bearings are very small for DUB and 30mm axles. So You have better durability (of course there is anecdotal evidence suggesting otherwise...) if you stick with a 24mm Shimano standard axle.
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Bsa bearing are positioned outboard the bb shell. The only thing limiting the bearing size is the bb itself
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Looking for a crank + PM + chainrings for a new build. Would love it to be reasonably light, 165, 167.5 or 170mm cranklenght.
Love ordering via Peter, since I have nothing but good experience with him.
However, I have a few questions:
A lot of ppl seem to wait for:
What is the difference between 24 en 29mm? Why would you rather have 24mm?
For the titanium I guess its stronger or lighter (or both) than alu?
Furthermore, what powermeter (spider) and chainrings would you go for? I love a closed ring and riding 52/36.
Probably repeating what everyone has said, but a 24mm spindle—especially in a BSA bottom bracket—means larger bearings, which naturally last longer.
I have a DUB Cybrei on my SL8, and since I have a press, swapping it is no big deal. Longevity isn't a major concern for me, but I do use steel bearings (SKF/NTN). I previously had a THM Clavicula with their ceramic bottom bracket, and it was terrible—bearings didn’t last, and as a heavier rider, it was noisy as hell when climbing out of the saddle. That was super annoying since I need everything to be completely silent. I ended up selling it and went back to my Dura-Ace crank before getting the Cybrei.
I’m currently running 54/38 MetAero Cybrei rings with an 11-34 cassette, paired with an X-Cadey power meter, which works fine. I’ll be testing this setup in Gran Canaria next week ahead of Mallorca 312 in April. We’ll see if my legs blow up—if they do, I might switch to 52/36 rings.
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In case someone wants to have good solution for BSA:
SRAM Red E1 arms (308g, DUB)
Sigeyi AXO (110g)
Shimano chainrings (147g)
Total 580g
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Has anybody tried one yet?
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Probably repeating what everyone has said, but a 24mm spindle—especially in a BSA bottom bracket—means larger bearings, which naturally last longer.
I have a DUB Cybrei on my SL8, and since I have a press, swapping it is no big deal. Longevity isn't a major concern for me, but I do use steel bearings (SKF/NTN). I previously had a THM Clavicula with their ceramic bottom bracket, and it was terrible—bearings didn’t last, and as a heavier rider, it was noisy as hell when climbing out of the saddle. That was super annoying since I need everything to be completely silent. I ended up selling it and went back to my Dura-Ace crank before getting the Cybrei.
I’m currently running 54/38 MetAero Cybrei rings with an 11-34 cassette, paired with an X-Cadey power meter, which works fine. I’ll be testing this setup in Gran Canaria next week ahead of Mallorca 312 in April. We’ll see if my legs blow up—if they do, I might switch to 52/36 rings.
The bearings typically used for 30mm/29mm/Dub (6806 or 6806-29) and 25mm/24mm (6805 or MR2537) have the same size balls. BB86 is the only standard where you should want a 24mm axle.
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There's a mix regarding DUB and BSA bottom brackets. Despite not being limited by size, SRAM still use smaller bearings on BSA bottom brackets. Some other manufacturers like Wheels Mfg use 6806 bearings.
See here:
https://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=165166
However, it's also worth considering that loads of major bike brands use either BSA or BB86 frames with SRAM builds and there are seemingly no reports of widespread issues.
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I just received the LEESE LSE-C01 carbon crank from Aliexpress which took nearly a week to arrive in Asia. The format is in EASTON DUB as I have the TIME Alpe d'Huez in DUB, making the swap a straight forward affair should I replace the current crankset.
The crankarms are detachable from the DUB axle which made installing of spider or powermeter a breeze. Indeed I have a XCADEY Gen 2-S powermeter spider lying around since the previous LEXON Carbon crank could not install this spider properly. All I took was less than 5 minutes to assemble the powermeter together with the crankset and it was all set to be mounted on the bike. Of course, I do not have a torque wrench to go 40nm but a good yank of the allen key till there is no play is probably going to keep things together.
Total weight is 500 grams flat = crankarms + axle + XCADEY Spider; compare that to a Shimano Ultegra R8100 crankset which weighs 700 grams without chainring and we get a decent 200 grams shaved off.
I have done a short introduction video here - youtu.be/SdwSQCgpMFM in youtube.
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There's a mix regarding DUB and BSA bottom brackets. Despite not being limited by size, SRAM still use smaller bearings on BSA bottom brackets. Some other manufacturers like Wheels Mfg use 6806 bearings.
See here:
https://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=165166
However, it's also worth considering that loads of major bike brands use either BSA or BB86 frames with SRAM builds and there are seemingly no reports of widespread issues.
SRAM uses that smaller bearing in the PF30 as well. I have not looked at a t47, but no reason to believe it would be an exception. I believe they use the same bearing across the range. It's a custom bearing you can't buy, so it's very much a one-off.
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Total weight is 500 grams flat = crankarms + axle + XCADEY Spider; compare that to a Shimano Ultegra R8100 crankset which weighs 700 grams without chainring and we get a decent 200 grams shaved off.
Bit less for the weight savings - Ultegra R8100 is 547g in 165mm without rings, see here:
https://handsonbike.blogspot.com/2023/09/12-speed-crankset-comparison-dura-ace.html?m=1
In any case, better off starting a new topic as this is for the XMCarbonSpeed cranks, not the Leese ones.
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Yes I concur with the above poster my r8100 with 52/36 rings in 165mm is 709grams.
I'm looking forward to the 24mm version to see if it's worth getting over the dub axle.
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I've just got a new grouspset and weighed every component
R8100 50/34 165mm - 705g
(https://i.imgur.com/LQBQSq6.jpeg)
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^This has nothig to do with the topic of this thread come on
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^This has nothig to do with the topic of this thread come on
I was just confirming the weight of Ultegra cranksets as surely the point of a Carbon crank is it is lighter?
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I was just confirming the weight of Ultegra cranksets as surely the point of a Carbon crank is it is lighter?
wow thanks for the information its exactly what we wanted. none of us knew that the aluminum crank with a steel spindle is heavier than the ultralight carbon crank and we couldn't look it up. Thanks for the info!
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eneral question on this and other Carbon cranksets. I am around 100kg and wondering how carbon cranks hold up with heavier riders. Any experience or ideas?
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eneral question on this and other Carbon cranksets. I am around 100kg and wondering how carbon cranks hold up with heavier riders. Any experience or ideas?
Dude, relax. Yes, it is helpful to know the weight of the gold standard crankset when considering buying a premium avant garde piece of kit.
wow thanks for the information its exactly what we wanted. none of us knew that the aluminum crank with a steel spindle is heavier than the ultralight carbon crank and we couldn't look it up. Thanks for the info!
I wouldn't worry. 100kg isn't THAT heavy, and i suspect you're not a track sprinter. Don't buy ultra lightweight components, like these cockpits that are pool noodles because they weigh nothing. Ditto, dont get feather weight aluminium cassettes. You'll probably wear out chairings fast if you get chinese ones, but they're cheap.
These carbon cranksets have been around for many, many years, i've had a sram red carbon crankset on my rim brake bike for a million years. As long as there's no manufacturing defect or dumb design (raceworks had a dumb design), you should be fine.
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I'd hardly consider shimano the gold standard of cranks
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I'd hardly consider shimano the gold standard of cranks
How bout you crank me off
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eneral question on this and other Carbon cranksets. I am around 100kg and wondering how carbon cranks hold up with heavier riders. Any experience or ideas?
Should be fine imo, although if you have cash done waste it on THM tough ;D had one at 90kgs and was a bag on sh1t any climbing out of saddle noisy as f1ck! and fiddley as f1uck as well to set up. For the 60/70kgs rider!
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@PeterXu do the factory and designers making this have experience making big brand or Chinese brand thermoplastic cranks?
SRAM had early problems with delaminating inserts and a few cracks. Easton had a lot of issues early on, and still some now. Various cheap Chinese ones have had the same. Quality Chinese ones from Incolor and Elilee both had extensive issues initially.
I.E. If the factory and designers have experience, we might expect the launch product to work fine. If not ... I think it may be a mess.
I guess we're not getting an answer this @PeterXu?
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I guess we're not getting an answer this @PeterXu?
We don't sell any items without QC, we have been doing the in-house testing for couple of months and had some pros tested these cranksets too, otherwise how could we announce releasing them? Thanks for your concern and questions.
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@PeterXu when do you expect the 170mm dub crank to be available? Thank you.
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Dude, relax. Yes, it is helpful to know the weight of the gold standard crankset when considering buying a premium avant garde piece of kit.
I wouldn't worry. 100kg isn't THAT heavy, and i suspect you're not a track sprinter. Don't buy ultra lightweight components, like these cockpits that are pool noodles because they weigh nothing. Ditto, dont get feather weight aluminium cassettes. You'll probably wear out chairings fast if you get chinese ones, but they're cheap.
These carbon cranksets have been around for many, many years, i've had a sram red carbon crankset on my rim brake bike for a million years. As long as there's no manufacturing defect or dumb design (raceworks had a dumb design), you should be fine.
Just giving him a hard time 8)