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Chinese Carbon Road Bikes => Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components => Topic started by: Velovelo on February 07, 2025, 09:23:03 AM
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New Elves frame alert!
"Elves Falath EXP 2025"
Elves Bike Malaysia is calling for bookings on their social media.
It is not on the websites yet. I wonder if they'll sell this globally with these ongoing trade wars.
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Well thats one way to do the seatpost i guess...
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I truly hope it's not going to become a new trend after y1rs
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Hmm, very Madone-esque looking frame. Is it just me or is the wheelbase really short?
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God why can't these companies just do their work and design a good frame? Why is it only possible to make crap or a gimmick. Come on man, it can't be that hard
the sides of the hole aren't even parallel to the direction of travel
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I think AI could do much better:D
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Perhaps I'm in a small minority in liking different designs. Moving from a 3T Strada, to the Elves Falath Evo, and now sourcing the final parts for a Tideace CR068. The designs may be gimmicky but for those wishing for a more 'normal' design, there are hundreds of options out there.
The seatpost hole in the Madone doesn't seem to have delivered aero benefits and it's early yet to know if the Y1RS delivers any improvements but at least it's interesting after a few years where the big brands pushed out one frame as better at everything, it's nice to see some variation, in my opinion.
Btw...I love the short wheelbase (especially the rear triangle) if this were true. Reminds me of my early fag paper Dave Russell. However need to look at the geometry charts as I think the graphics might be just that. Some of the pictures of the Falath Evo showed a shorter rear triangle than the reality (my Falath Evo can fit sensible gravel tyres!)
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terrible :-\
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This may be one of the ugliest frames I have seen ;D To each their own though
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I actually think it looks pretty sick minus that massive hole in the seat tube
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If we are sick of Chinese and Western brands producing SL7 and Scott Foil clones, what exactly are we looking for in terms of innovation?
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I wonder if it has super weird geometry like most Elves frames. :)
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If we are sick of Chinese and Western brands producing SL7 and Scott Foil clones, what exactly are we looking for in terms of innovation?
Simply good bikes without glaring issues would be a start.
I don't see much innovation in this bike. Seka Spear is innovative in terms of design features that actually improve the performance of the bike and a more relaxed geometry for a more average rider who still wants a 'racing' bike.
Just rapidly churning out ideas without following through and ensuring the implementation is actually a net positive isn't innovation, it's gimmickry.
Take the Tideace FM-CR068, f.e.: It's an absolutely terrific design, and I would've genuinely put it in league with big western designs and bough one myself, if not for one thing: the mess that is the rear end. Putting the fixed 73° seat angle aside, the whole mess they made to have that Lapierre, Madone, whatevere-else-esque design does nothing but add weight, demolish aerodynamics and incerease complexity and likelihood of failure.
I actually don't mind the hole as much as I mind the poor implementation of it.
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Well that's another clown car from Elves. All the bad parts of various big brand bikes, cobbled together into one package.
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If we are sick of Chinese and Western brands producing SL7 and Scott Foil clones, what exactly are we looking for in terms of innovation?
Giant TCR/Scott Addict/Factor O2 VAM clones with round seatposts.
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Not a fan of the bussy. I wonder if this comes to western markets I imagine it will be more expensive than the current Falath and that’s getting into winspace C5 aero territory which I can’t see it competing well against.
I really wanted to go Elves on my build but the Falath Evo seemed like a weak evelution against the Falath Pro. They just seem a couple years behind at the moment.
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Not a fan of the bussy.
Don't knock it til you try it
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Don't knock it til you try it
Legitimately laughed out loud when I first read his original post. Glad I'm not the only who thinks like this. #nodiddy
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Maybe it'll look a bit better in less tiny sizes. It looks like a 44 or 46.
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Looks like a really bad mash-up between the new Colnago and the Madone rear hole.
I kinda liked the previous Falath Evo, had they just reduced the distance between the wheels and the frame a bit more and gotten the weight down a bit it would have been a fine aero bike. Then again, Elves sales are imo mostly carried by their fancy paintjobs.
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Elves is making bikes for the TikTok generation lol
When these kids come of age they are gonna ride colorful Elves bikes with abnormal designs with no nostalgic feel to the frame designs etc.
There is a market for what Elves is trying to do. That's what really matters these days. Know, make and sell to your target market.
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Elves is making bikes for the TikTok generation lol
When these kids come of age they are gonna ride colorful Elves bikes with abnormal designs with no nostalgic feel to the frame designs etc.
There is a market for what Elves is trying to do. That's what really matters these days. Know, make and sell to your target market.
I totally agree, it's just that they only would have needed to make minimal modifications (front wheel closer to the downtube, super deep steering tube and deeper, more U-shaped fork) to make their previous aerobike legit good. But yeah, they are clearly a style over substance brand who sell stuff via their nice looking paintjobs and the Tolkien "inspired" names (how they still haven't gotten in legal trouble for it at least in the UK is surprising to me).
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These guys still don’t know how to design a headtube, huh. Always busting out “aero” bikes with nearly unfaired headtubes the diameter of a coke can.
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Why is there such a disconnect between the factories who produce for large western brands, versus their own in-house brands? You'd think the folks working on these projects would be taking notes.
-Their frame designs are terrible
-Branding is awful
-Brand name is horrendous
-Paint color palette decisions are questionable at best
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Looks like a really bad mash-up between the new Colnago and the Madone rear hole.
I kinda liked the previous Falath Evo, had they just reduced the distance between the wheels and the frame a bit more and gotten the weight down a bit it would have been a fine aero bike. Then again, Elves sales are imo mostly carried by their fancy paintjobs.
Let's not act like Colnago totally didn't rip the design off from 2 of their competitors.
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What did they rip off? Bayonet forks aren't that unique anymore, and imo, that Colnago is the best execution of one on a road bike. The seattube design concept was done before, somewhat, on a steel bike, but Colnago put massively more thought into it.
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What did they rip off? Bayonet forks aren't that unique anymore, and imo, that Colnago is the best execution of one on a road bike. The seattube design concept was done before, somewhat, on a steel bike, but Colnago put massively more thought into it.
Cervelo S5 and TT version of BMC Timemachine
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Why is there such a disconnect between the factories who produce for large western brands, versus their own in-house brands? You'd think the folks working on these projects would be taking notes.
-Their frame designs are terrible
-Branding is awful
-Brand name is horrendous
-Paint color palette decisions are questionable at best
I often wonder about this, because this is true across entire Asian producers (probably besides Winspace and SEKA). You would expect that at the very least, they could hire someone who could pull decent marketing off. Is this a cultural thing? Are we, the western audience, conditioned to to expect impeccable marketing?
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Cervelo S5 and TT version of BMC Timemachine
S5 wasn't even the first road bike to use a bayonet fork, it was Factor. And just about every serious TT bike nowadays has a bayonet fork, why is it a ripoff to bring it to a road bike?
BMC, sure I guess, but they use it more to bring the seatpost forward after fairing the tyre with the seattube, Colnago did it so they can give the seatmast a slacker angle to increase deflection, otherwise they could have just done the same rear end as the foil, S5, etc.