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Chinese Carbon Road Bikes => Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components => Topic started by: Velovelo on April 11, 2025, 11:07:11 AM
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Is anyone's frame delivery affected by the trade wars?
Is it safe to pull the trigger on a frame now or just wait it out?
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I’m in the US and couldn’t make my decision on what frame in time.
Looks like I’m going to be waiting it out unfortunately.
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Maybe geographic and supplier dependent
I would ask any supplier you’re planning on buying a frame from myself.
If you’re from the not so good ole U S of A you maybe screwed.
I ordered a frame Monday last week go told it was on hold Monday then given the all go again yesterday but I am in the UK.
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I’m in the US and couldn’t make my decision on what frame in time.
Looks like I’m going to be waiting it out unfortunately.
Yes. Same boat. I have waited to long. I think it will get worked out but may take some time for sure.
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I would t chance it now if not in stock and with expedited shipping
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I wouldn't buy at the moment unless you assume that you're going to pay 1.5x on top of the listed price.
Even with a declared value below $800 you're now looking at ridiculous tariffs, and again while we know stuff gets shipped with low declared values, I suspect that will become more risky as the stakes go up.
If all you're concerned about is delivery, I don't see that as a problem. If anything the sellers are likely going to be hungry for sales. They don't pay the tariff, you do.
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My understanding is that for China and a few other countries, the De Minimis is being replaced by an enhanced "type 11" process. This process lets one import items with values up to $2500 USD in a streamlined process. Exporter/seller has to follow the "enhanced" custom's steps where the seller has to pre-register with Customs the item/s being imported. Seller's name/business, Purchaser's name and address, the full 10 digit commodity code, Item/s value, and then pay up front associated tariffs and processing fees. This way it makes it look like the seller is paying all the tariffs, but in reality, the seller has to collect the tariffs from the buyer and then pay this to Customs. If the Tariffs aren't paid, then the buyer must pay the bill before the item clears customs.
My understanding is that it is a similar process to how sellers in other state's like E-bay, online shops, and Amazon have to collect sales taxes for the states they ship their items to.
I presume that this burden will fall on Aliexpress, Temu, and other foreign online sellers.
Through this process, if tariff rates and policies change, Customs will charge and collect the Tariff-de-jour. For all of us who used the De Minimis process, those days are gone forever.
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I guess I'm going to order some carbon wheels. The days of affordable bike parts is done, so might as well go all-in now!
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I guess I'm going to order some carbon wheels. The days of affordable bike parts is done, so might as well go all-in now!
Do you think your wheels will arrive before 2nd May if you order tomorrow?
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Do you think your wheels will arrive before 2nd May if you order tomorrow?
The Tagoola vendor says 7 days is doable with FedEx International. Only with wheelsets already built, like the 50mm depth road and 40mm depth gravel wheels.
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The Tagoola vendor says 7 days is doable with FedEx International. Only with wheelsets already built, like the 50mm depth road and 40mm depth gravel wheels.
I'll talk to them. Was this on Aliexpress or the thread here?
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I'll talk to them. Was this on Aliexpress or the thread here?
On the Tagoola thread and my AliEx message correspondence mentioned which wheels can ship once order has been paid.
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My understanding is that for China and a few other countries, the De Minimis is being replaced by an enhanced "type 11" process. This process lets one import items with values up to $2500 USD in a streamlined process. Exporter/seller has to follow the "enhanced" custom's steps where the seller has to pre-register with Customs the item/s being imported. Seller's name/business, Purchaser's name and address, the full 10 digit commodity code, Item/s value, and then pay up front associated tariffs and processing fees. This way it makes it look like the seller is paying all the tariffs, but in reality, the seller has to collect the tariffs from the buyer and then pay this to Customs. If the Tariffs aren't paid, then the buyer must pay the bill before the item clears customs.
My understanding is that it is a similar process to how sellers in other state's like E-bay, online shops, and Amazon have to collect sales taxes for the states they ship their items to.
I presume that this burden will fall on Aliexpress, Temu, and other foreign online sellers.
Through this process, if tariff rates and policies change, Customs will charge and collect the Tariff-de-jour. For all of us who used the De Minimis process, those days are gone forever.
I think that's mostly correct. Current rule 11 items come in with an invoice from the transporter-ie FedEx or DHL. For commercial accounts they bill after delivery, but for consumer accounts going forward I suspect they'll bill prior to. It wouldn't surprise me if the Chinese shippers do what they already do for Europe, which is offer DPD (duty paid delivery) where the tariff is rolled into the shipping cost up front. This streamlines the timeline. But first you have to have a stable and known tariff....
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My frame in transit just tracks now as landed, so I'll know shortly what the current deal is.
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My frame in transit just tracks now as landed, so I'll know shortly what the current deal is.
How did it go?
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How did it go?
No issues. It didn't show up on usps tracking after a couple days so I called their tracking helpline. It was out for delivery that day, arrived, no issues, no duty owed.
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Some shippers from China consolidate multiple items into a single bulk shipment when sending goods to America. The shipment is declared as one entity for customs purposes, and taxes and duties are paid based on the declared value. Often, the declared value is intentionally set lower to reduce the amount of tax and duty owed, which most people already know.
Once the bulk shipment arrives in America, it is handed over to a local shipping agent, who then arranges the final delivery of individual items.
This method is commonly used to manage, minimize, or avoid higher taxes on shipments by under-declaring values and consolidating multiple packages into one, taking advantage of how customs processes bulk imports, likely why some of the American packages are getting through unaffected.
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My frame in transit just tracks now as landed, so I'll know shortly what the current deal is.
We will be very interested to know what happens and how much the tarrif or taxes do duties all cost if you don’t mind sharing when you find out.
I also waited to long.
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I have been looking at the winnow tt119 frame, when i put it in my cart on ali exp it estimates an addition 2000USD in fees on the 1200USD frame, really puts a damper on me wanting to build a budget TT bike that has the specs that I want.
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I just received a set of wheels from Xiamen this past Friday via UPS. No issues...
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I'm pretty sure, at least in the US, the de minimis exemption for goods from China ends on May 2, so items that arrive before then and are under $800 (or just declared under $800) will not be tariff'd. After May 2 though, there will no longer be a de miminis exemption for imported goods from China and everything will be tariff'd.
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I have been looking at the winnow tt119 frame, when i put it in my cart on ali exp it estimates an addition 2000USD in fees on the 1200USD frame, really puts a damper on me wanting to build a budget TT bike that has the specs that I want.
Wow!
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No issues. It didn't show up on usps tracking after a couple days so I called their tracking helpline. It was out for delivery that day, arrived, no issues, no duty owed.
I'm terrified to pay my balance and set my Waltly in motion. It feels like such a crap shoot. Do I pay my balance, let them ship it and just wait and see what CBP does? I just don't know.
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I'm pretty sure, at least in the US, the de minimis exemption for goods from China ends on May 2, so items that arrive before then and are under $800 (or just declared under $800) will not be tariff'd. After May 2 though, there will no longer be a de miminis exemption for imported goods from China and everything will be tariff'd.
Right. This is the issue.
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I have been looking at the winnow tt119 frame, when i put it in my cart on ali exp it estimates an addition 2000USD in fees on the 1200USD frame, really puts a damper on me wanting to build a budget TT bike that has the specs that I want.
Yikes. Most items I was looking at now show up as "can not be delivered to your address".
I did see the flyxii gravel frame I bought for $400 now available from US warehouse for $1200. Absolutely bonkers.
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Yikes. Most items I was looking at now show up as "can not be delivered to your address".
I did see the flyxii gravel frame I bought for $400 now available from US warehouse for $1200. Absolutely bonkers.
right, I was seeing this too when going to take that screenshot. Really really sucks for my plans.
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What I am seeing is like explaining above. They are apparently putting it all in the tax line item. I don’t like it but at least we know exactly how it is going now. Need a deal down soon……doubt it is soon.
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Time to take advantage of China's 240hr./10 day visa free permit and vat/tax-free reimbursement policy! I was told Guangzhou is the best region to pick-up bike components, has solid cycling infrastructure, excellent food and is affordable to visit! It would probably be cheaper than paying tariff costs! ;D
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Maybe we'll see more US produced carbon bikes move past the vaporware point.
https://bikerumor.com/lemond-8-carbon-road-bike/ (https://bikerumor.com/lemond-8-carbon-road-bike/)
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Maybe we'll see more US produced carbon bikes move past the vaporware point.
https://bikerumor.com/lemond-8-carbon-road-bike/ (https://bikerumor.com/lemond-8-carbon-road-bike/)
Parlee is real.
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Parlee is real.
And 5500USD+ a framset
Maybe we'll see more US produced carbon bikes move past the vaporware point.
https://bikerumor.com/lemond-8-carbon-road-bike/ (https://bikerumor.com/lemond-8-carbon-road-bike/)
They would also want an arm, a leg, and your left kidney
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Maybe we'll see more US produced carbon bikes move past the vaporware point.
https://bikerumor.com/lemond-8-carbon-road-bike/ (https://bikerumor.com/lemond-8-carbon-road-bike/)
Unlikely the skilled labour and tooling it takes just isn't that big of a thing in the USA and as soon as it's USA based you're looking at $5k frames typically (Enve, Parlee, etc).
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Unlikely the skilled labour and tooling it takes just isn't that big of a thing in the USA and as soon as it's USA based you're looking at $5k frames typically (Enve, Parlee, etc).
MSRP for current year S-works framesets is $5500 and Pinarello Dogma are almost $7k for Taiwan/western mainland Taiwan production.
The skilled labor and tooling probably also exist between aerospace and maybe even the surfboard/sailboat industries
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I placed an order for a light carbon frame mid March, I ordered a new model that is yet to be released and I was told it would be shipped the first week of May, at that time I wasn't expecting all this tariff nonsense to escalate to this point. The frame hasn't shipped yet, I'm in the US, how screwed am I? would the fact that the invoice shows as paid in March be of any use to avoid tariffs? Should I try to cancel the order?
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I placed an order for a light carbon frame mid March, I ordered a new model that is yet to be released and I was told it would be shipped the first week of May, at that time I wasn't expecting all this tariff nonsense to escalate to this point. The frame hasn't shipped yet, I'm in the US, how screwed am I? would the fact that the invoice shows as paid in March be of any use to avoid tariffs? Should I try to cancel the order?
Tariffs are applied at arrival. Date of purchase won’t matter unfortunately. Unless you’re wanting to deal with the possibility of paying ridiculous fees, the safe bet is to cancel. Get your money back and see how this all plays out. You can try ordering later if it’s still within budget.
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I placed an order for a light carbon frame mid March, I ordered a new model that is yet to be released and I was told it would be shipped the first week of May, at that time I wasn't expecting all this tariff nonsense to escalate to this point. The frame hasn't shipped yet, I'm in the US, how screwed am I? would the fact that the invoice shows as paid in March be of any use to avoid tariffs? Should I try to cancel the order?
I bet they'll declare the value as a lot less than you actually paid. You could ask them to send you a copy of the commercial invoice when they ship it so you can check what value they declare (that's what the tariff should be based on). If you don't want to pay, you can probably refuse to receive the shipment. It would be a big bummer to go through that and not receive it though :/