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Chinese Carbon MTB => 29er => Topic started by: Roadie2mtb on May 25, 2016, 05:26:39 PM
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Decided on doing my own build thread. I'm sure I'll have many questions, plus that way I can post stuff about my bike.
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Welcome, great way to start.
057 is a good choice, mine is holding up very well 2 years later, I'm doing a race tomorrow night with it.
What do you have planned for your build? And what questions do you have to get started?
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Got the frame, and most components, just waiting on wheels (backorder), seat (backorder), polylube, carbon paste, post clamp because I ordered wrong size, and bottle cage bolts.
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I'll try get a build list on here sometime
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CS-057 frame 17.5'' BSA UD matt for 142x12 - 365 USD/piece
Paint in single color - 55 USD
NECO headset -15 USD/ set
Rear 142x12 axle - 15 USD/piece
Extra dropout for 142x12 - 10 USD/piece
Seta seat post 31.6x400mm 3K glossy - 35 USD/piece
Seta straight handlebar 680mm 3K glossy - 30 USD/piece
Seta cages 3K glossy x 2 - 10 USD/piece * 2 = 20 USD
Didn't have glossy instock, so I got Seta instead, which I had never heard of, but Peter assured me they're just as good. Ordered on April 25, 2016
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(http://s33.postimg.org/a99rtpze7/20160516_212443_1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
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My frame. Took about 8 days for paint. It shipped out May 3, received May 11
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Awesome design !!!
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Got the seat today! It's full carbon, I'm hoping it will hold me up, and not too uncomfortable
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Awesome design !!!
thanks!
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(http://s33.postimg.org/to7ei3n3j/20160602_061904.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
free uploader (http://postimage.org/) The crown race slides on without any effort, seems little loose. thought it should be really tight, is this ok?
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My Neco came with a solid crown race- those are an interference fit, so it is really tight. I've not used a split one, but it looks like they have been around a while. Are you able to get everything tight, with no rocking or creaking of the headset?
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Have not put it in yet, but I have a star nut inside tube, I'm thinking should be pushed out through bottom?
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(http://s33.postimg.org/to7ei3n3j/20160602_061904.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
free uploader (http://postimage.org/) The crown race slides on without any effort, seems little loose. thought it should be really tight, is this ok?
With the split ring design, it will never be "tight". I guess they can work, but certainly not prefered. I had a split washer type that came OEM on my Santa Cruz TallBoy LT, I could never get the headset to stay tight, so I replaced the entire thing with a King headset, now now worries at all. The original Cane Creak headset had a bunch of plastic pieces in it. Not sure what the actual culprit was, but I'm much happier with the King, so much that I ordered another one for my Road Bike. I guess I'm at an age and financial position that I can just drop some coin to have the best of some things. Maybe not everything, but when talking $40 vs $140, I can do the $140.
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I had a bad experience with a split ring when building my kid bike too(a CS-016).
When tightening the headset, the steering wasn't smooth and made a rubbing noise( scratching a little the bottom of the headtube ).
Putting a solid crown instead solved the issue( hitting it with a piece of wood to put in place, as I didn't have the tube tool at that time ).
It is strange as they both had the same height and diameter.
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Hmm wonder if I could just purchase a solid crown race, and where could I find one that fits? Might install and see how it goes.
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I have the Neco headset
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If you go to an LBS with your bottom bearing, they will probably have one, and may be even place it for you.
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If you don't want to go full-bore with a Chris King, the Cane Creek 40 does well on these and is what I have on my 057 build.
http://www.amazon.com/Cane-Creek-Integrated-Headset-Tapered/dp/B00G5RWKW8/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1449844380&sr=8-5&keywords=cane+creek+40+headset
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I'll try Lbs for it. Thanks! If I end up not liking the Neco, then I'll get the Cane Creek 40-series
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What chainstay protector fits the 057? I like the Shimano pro carbon look one, but not sure if fits. Like the Lizard skin too! Measured the chainstay circumference on my frame, it's roughly 3-3/8 to 4-1/2
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I used color matched electrical tape 8)
With a clutch derailer, it's not as critical to have stuff all over the chainstay. I rode with a buddy Saturday who has an older bike, and I swear I could hear his chain slapping from 30 feet away.
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I used color matched electrical tape 8)
With a clutch derailer, it's not as critical to have stuff all over the chainstay. I rode with a buddy Saturday who has an older bike, and I swear I could hear his chain slapping from 30 feet away.
Oh lol. So your saying with the new XT Derailleur it may not have much chain slap if any? Maybe I could put some clear protective tape just to be safe.
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I used color matched electrical tape 8)
With a clutch derailer, it's not as critical to have stuff all over the chainstay. I rode with a buddy Saturday who has an older bike, and I swear I could hear his chain slapping from 30 feet away.
Oh lol. So your saying with the new XT Derailleur it may not have much chain slap if any? Maybe I could put some clear protective tape just to be safe.
I used handlebar tape in carbon look. Cheap, good looking and very protective!
(http://static.webshopapp.com/shops/052387/files/018460659/deda-tape-carbon-stuurlint.jpg)
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Oh lol. So your saying with the new XT Derailleur it may not have much chain slap if any? Maybe I could put some clear protective tape just to be safe.
Yeah, you still want something on there for protection, maybe two layers if you are using a very thin clear packing tape. I would try the clear tape first, just so it doesn't cover your design. Keep an eye on it when you wash/maintain the bike to be sure that it isn't getting dinged. Mine has been fine, but if you start seeing damage you can change to a thicker protector.
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Hey, thanks!!
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So your saying with the new XT Derailleur it may not have much chain slap if any?
Even with the new XT, if you are on the smaller sprockets the chain will probably slap on a shaky terrain.
At least it does on my kid's bike.
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My chain slaps the top of the chainstay when I'm in the smallest cog.
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Yeah was thinking it could slap. Now I'm thinking two layers of packing tape not enough. But I've seen some thicker tapes, they are just expensive.
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I have the Lizard Skins medium, but the large might be better fit.
(http://i794.photobucket.com/albums/yy230/325racer/Bikes/Carbon%20Hardtail/DSC03313_zps6205f77d.jpg)
I actually like the look of the Lezyne guard better, but they didn't have them in stock at my LBS when I did my build.
http://www.lezyne.com/product-orgnzrs-chainstyprotector.php#.V1Id3pErKUk (http://www.lezyne.com/product-orgnzrs-chainstyprotector.php#.V1Id3pErKUk)
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I ordered the Lizard skins clear stick on type, comes with two frame patches. Think I'll purchase some packing tape for areas like shoe rub, cable rub, and bottom of down tube.
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I also ordered some Stickers from Doityourselflettering.com, I'm hoping it turns out looking good! Still trying to find time for visit to LBS, to get a full crown race, and maybe cut the fork (its flush with top). Probably have them install BB, I don't have the tool
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So I made it to LBS today got the headset installed, BB, and crank. Took him no more than 25 minutes, and cost me $65! Didn't know it cost so much! The manager said it was right amount. Could have bought the tools and installed myself for cheaper. Well now I don't have enough $ for some new mtb shoes to go with my crank brothers. Oh well, guess I'll save up some more
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Seems a bit high...but not out of the norm for larger shops.
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Seems a bit high...but not out of the norm for larger shops.
I'm thinking they charge for a hour at a time, no 30 min or 15 minute increments
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That's not a crown race. It's the compression ring. Just google mountain bike headset. Look at the images.
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That's not a crown race. It's the compression ring.
Thanks for educating us :)
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My build list.
Frame- CS057 UD custom paint 12x142 rear 1242g
Wheels - Light bicycle WM29C19 Novatec- 771sb/772sb hubs, Piller aero X-TRA 1420 spokes, and decal color to match. Weight f685/r840 =1525g
Groupset-XT M8000-1x11
Crankset- XT + 32t chainring 701g
Cassette- 11-40t 410g
Derailleur- med cage 272g
Shifter- I spec II 138g
Chain- Shimano XT 264g
Bottom bracket- Shimano MT800 87g
Brakes- XT f/r with hoses and hardware 616g
Rotors- 180f + hardware 145g
160r + hardware 128g
Front rotor mount + hardware 35g
Shocks- RockShox recon gold tk 1791g
Headset- Neco 119g
Stem- Truvativ STYLO T20 60mm 130g
Spacers- No name alloy 10g
Handle bars- Seta 31.8X680 3K Glossy 132g
Grips- Lizard skins moab 108g
Seat post- Seta 31.8X400 3K Glossy 195g
Seat post clamp- No name alloy 26g
Seat- Toseek/No name 3K Matte 106g
Pedals- Crank brothers candy 1 280g
Flat Pedals for spares- Rock Bros magnesium, steel axle 223g
Bottle cages- Seta 3K Glossy 48g
Bottle cage bolts- No name, black alloy 4g
Tires- Schwalbe racing ralph performance -DC 2.25 f/r 1305g
Tubes- Schwalbe 415g
Axle- rear 79g
front 72g
Chainstay guard Sticker weight?
Stickers weight?
Total est weight of 10546g? 23.25lbs. Plus there is some hardware in the weight that may not be used.
Wanted to keep it below 10k. going tubeless might shave weight
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Should I be cutting my seatpost? It hits the cage bolts!
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My LB-Wheels shipping out this morning (posting )
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Fork, Shimano groupset + brakes are heavy. That's why you are not sub-10kg. Tubeless is a must as well, gain in weight and comfort.
But with such light wheels the bike should be pretty fast and dynamic despite the total weight.
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Fork, Shimano groupset + brakes are heavy. That's why you are not sub-10kg. Tubeless is a must as well, gain in weight and comfort.
But with such light wheels the bike should be pretty fast and dynamic despite the total weight.
Yeah it should ride great, might consider tubeless on next set of tires.
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Received the wheels yesterday! Have all the parts, just don't know when I'll get the bike built. I put the wheel weight in build list.
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You can probably drop a good 200gr by going tubeless and another 75gr by going with some bolt through axles.
http://fairwheelbikes.com/far-and-near-15mm-thru-axle/
http://fairwheelbikes.com/far-and-near-12mm-thru-axle/
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Yeah I could see some weight savings there, thanks!
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After ending up buying some more tools, finished the build. Doing final adjustments, need a shock pump, plus waiting on some rim tape, have the Tubes in, but could pop with spoke holes. Total weight 10.18kg. Rides great!! Fast! Pic coming soon
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Very nice! The matching color of the decals is super nice. The carbon saddle makes it look fast :D