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Chinese Carbon MTB => 26er & 27.5 (650b) => Topic started by: bxcc on November 09, 2016, 05:55:02 PM

Title: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on November 09, 2016, 05:55:02 PM
My next build has officially begun. This time for daughter #2, the AR in GKARTA.
I ordered the frame on November 7th and hopefully it's here before Santa as he is the official delivery dude. The frame is sold from a bunch of different vendors but I bought this one from Tideace or Haideli on AliExpress. It's also sold on eBay by Tideace and Dashine bikes and on Amazon by Fasteam. I had several emails with Amy and her communication has been great and she informed me that Tideace and Haideli are the same company but Fasteam and Dashine are different vendors. Here is the link for the frame I purchased.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/carbon-mountain-bike-frame-with-headset-carbon-mtb-frame-26-size-14-and-16-For-Bike/32530200941.html?spm=2114.13010208.99999999.264.OKUMT2

So on with the build details. The frame will get the household standard of GKARTA decals with a color preference of yellow. The only thing that isn't high on the color list is the white fork. But since it was new from Amazon for $165, white it is. Unless someone has a black Reba 27.5 fork they want to trade for a Revelation RCT3.

Frame: Tideace FM-M001 14" frame 3K weave in matte finish
Fork: RockShox Revelation RCT3 27.5 100mm travel 15mm thru axle
Bar: Chiner carbon flat bar 660 wide
Grips: ESI Racer's Edge yellow
Stem: Wake 40mm
Seatpost: GUB 31.6 straight post
Saddle: Codream 230x140 kids seat from Amazon
Brakes: Shimano Deore M615
Rotors: Avid G3 160mm 6-bolt rotors (painted ones from AliExpress)
Wheels: Stans ZTR Crest 32h, DT Swiss 350 hubs, DT Swiss Competition spokes, Sapim aluminum self locking nipples
Tires: WTB Bronson Race 26x2.1
Crank: SRAM Stylo GXP 1.1 150mm (cut down from 175)
Chainring: 32T N/W gold ring
Bottom Bracket: SRAM GXP BB92
Pedals: Race Face Chester
Shifter: Shimano SLX M7000
Rear Derailleur: Shimano SLX M7000
Cassette: Shimano XT M8000 11-42 11 speed
Chain: Sram NX PC-1110

Weight: no idea but I hope it's in the 23 pound ballpark. 20 lbs would be great but some of the parts are on the portly side so I don't think it's doable with the current budget. I have thought about re-lacing the wheels to some Stan's Crest rims which would drop some weight and gain 1.5mm in inner width but I'm not sure if it's a worthy investment.

I'll keep this thread updated as the parts arrive.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on November 10, 2016, 09:21:05 AM
Quick update. The frame has shipped already which is 2 days from ordering.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: carbonazza on November 10, 2016, 10:35:02 AM
Thanks for continually experimenting :)
Aren't Aliexpress sellers incentivized to ship fast?
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on November 10, 2016, 11:26:45 AM
I believe you are correct. One thing that I do like is that AliExpress (AliPay) doesn't release the funds until the seller states that everything is ok. It's probably a little more risk for the seller but as the buyer, it gives a better sense of protection.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on November 16, 2016, 10:28:54 AM
Quick update. I placed the order on Nov 8th and the frame arrived on Nov 16th. That's pretty darn quick! 8 days from placing the order to the northeast US. Everything was well packaged and appears to be good. Quality wise, it looks to be on par with other Chinese carbon vendors. So far, I'm very pleased.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: carbonazza on November 16, 2016, 10:58:11 AM
... 8 days from placing the order to the northeast US...
Isn't this the speed record of the forum ?  :)
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on November 16, 2016, 11:05:11 AM
 It has got to be pretty close. I have ordered things from the US that have taken longer than that.  I wanted to get the order placed early so that I would be sure to have it before Christmas. I guess I didn't need to sweat that one.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on November 16, 2016, 11:15:42 AM
Here are a couple of pictures. It seems I can't figure out the new Imgur site and have the pictures actually viewable without clicking the link.
http://imgur.com/nUlXmj3
http://imgur.com/fmaM23n
http://imgur.com/xxpeVmT
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on November 19, 2016, 11:44:37 AM
Minor update. I updated the first post as a couple of things have changed and all the parts are on their way. A different stem will be used than what is pictured.

(https://s18.postimg.org/tc86xiomt/IMG_1616.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/tc86xiomt/)
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on December 01, 2016, 06:59:35 AM
I have updated the build a bit. After a couple of emails with DT Swiss, I got the make up of the M1800 wheels. Hubs are 350's, rims are M480's, and spokes are DT Comp's. They are sending me some new 350 hub decals (want to get the M1800 decals off of the hubs) and I have the Crest rims on the way. The ERD is the same on both rims so not having to get more spokes makes it easier on the wallet, and so does finding some brand new in the wrapper rims on eBay for $45 shipped per pair. The rims are a bit narrow for my liking but with the 350 hubs and DT Comp spokes, it's a pretty solid build and should drop well over a half pound of rim weight for $45. So after springing for the Sapim Double Head self locking aluminum nipples in the bling color of yellow, I'll be into the wheels for $261.

Now just to find some chinese carbon 27.5 rims with an ERD of 540 so I can keep using the hubs and spokes as she grows into a 27.5 bike.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on January 04, 2017, 06:03:06 AM
The brakes finally arrived. They were ordered on Nov 11th on AliExpress and arrived on Dec 31st. I did give the bike to her for Christmas, just with out brakes. We installed them last night and threw it on the scale. 21.8 pounds with the RF Chester pedals. I would definitely like to see it under 20lbs but it will most likely stay where it is. She super excited to try it out but it will have to wait.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: carbonazza on January 05, 2017, 12:43:28 AM
Thank you for experimenting again  :)
What do you think about the brakes?
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on January 16, 2017, 04:41:39 PM
I like the brakes a lot. Between all the bikes at my house, I have the new XTR M9020 and 9000's, SLX M675's, XT M785's and M8000's, and the Deore M615's. Other than the feel of the dimpled lever, the only noticeable difference while riding is the XTR Race as they don't have the servo wave feature. All the others perform equally well. I was thinking of going with the M396 brakes but I wanted to keep all bikes sharing the same type of brake pad and bleeding procedure.

Anyway, here is a picture of the maiden voyage. Still waiting on the handlebars but everything else is complete. Final weight is 21.4 pounds as pictured.

http://imgur.com/wbg4ozb
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on February 06, 2017, 02:14:49 PM
The handlebars finally arrived and we got them mounted and all adjusted. The fit and finish of the frame is excellent and so isn't  the customer service of Tideace. 24" wheels would definitely help a bit but once she is on the bike, it fits great. The 26" wheels just makes it a little tall but she should do just fine. The crank arms at 150mm seem like a good fit too.

For the name, her favorite ski trail at Sugarloaf is White Nitro, and since she has been skiing it, she has been calling herself "White Nitro Girl". So I had to add a little personal touch.

Here are some final pictures.


(http://i.imgur.com/xRKIxEy.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/QKl6TsP.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/BufOybH.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/hXicqa8.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/7SOdAOx.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Ab2zuZz.jpg)
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: carbonazza on February 07, 2017, 05:02:48 AM
Wow. Beautiful bike!
I love the colors.
The gold carbon look of the spacers is so cool :)

Are they vinyl stickers?
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on February 07, 2017, 06:51:40 AM
Yes it Oracal 651 vinyl sheets. My sister in law has an embroidery / screen printing shop and she recommended that vinyl. I just had to figure out how to use her program and the plotter for the words. The rest is just done with a paper punch that can be bought at any craft store or on Amazon. There is better vinyl out there (Oracal 751 and 951) but this is supposedly the best bang for the buck for a 2 to 3 year use. The 751 will last longer as vehicle wraps but since it's on a bike that will be out grown in a couple of years and is stored inside, I went with the 651 as it's less than half the cost.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on June 11, 2017, 01:15:41 PM
Just a few action shots to confirm the build has worked out perfectly. The fit is great but the wheels are still a bit big. Nothing that has caused an issue just similar to someone who is 61" tall riding a 29er. But with the proper fitting crank and a good comfortable reach, it just took some getting used to a taller bike. I also came across a black RS Revelation for well under $200 so I did some part swapping between the bikes of daughter #1 and daughter #2. Both of us have been extremely happy with the finished product.

(http://i.imgur.com/O49nBJ7.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/OV5fAW2.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/pm5kJlm.jpg)
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: Ellagard on September 05, 2017, 04:28:21 PM
Nice build!

How tall was your daughter when she got the bike? My 9yo is on a 24" (14" seat tube) bike now, but I suspect that it will be slightly small next year. This frame looks like a really good option for a winter build for her and me.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on September 05, 2017, 08:05:43 PM
She is 4'6" and it fits great. It's a bit tall for her due to the 26" wheels, but once she is on and riding, it's near perfect. It took a few rides to adjust to the height but she's rolling comfortably now.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: Ellagard on September 06, 2017, 03:03:20 PM
Great!

My daughter in almost 2" shorter, but this a winter project. Since you use the short Wake stem and a seatpost with no setback, there should be som room for the girls to grow!
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on September 06, 2017, 03:25:44 PM
Great!

My daughter in almost 2" shorter, but this a winter project. Since you use the short Wake stem and a seatpost with no setback, there should be som room for the girls to grow!

Exactly! I did have to cut some of the seat post off so it would go low enough into the frame but those are cheap enough (under $15) that I can just get another when the time comes. Keep us posted on the progress!
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: Ellagard on September 07, 2017, 04:17:42 PM
Frame & fork ordered. Fork will be a Manitou Marvel Comp, found a good deal on it. Air, rebound, compression.  I have wheels and carbon bars, will do some bargain hunting during the winter for brakes and drivetrain. Over and out for now, the frame will probably be few weeks.

Greetings from Sweden!
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on September 12, 2017, 02:17:04 PM
Frame & fork ordered. Fork will be a Manitou Marvel Comp, found a good deal on it. Air, rebound, compression.  I have wheels and carbon bars, will do some bargain hunting during the winter for brakes and drivetrain. Over and out for now, the frame will probably be few weeks.

Greetings from Sweden!

Nice! Let us know what parts you may find difficult to source, we might be able to help. I may have the cranks from this bike (150mm GXP) for sale this winter. Daughter #1 will be getting a new bike and I'll probably be moving parts around a bit.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: Ellagard on September 14, 2017, 12:57:04 PM
I´ll keep you posted. Fork arrived this week, the frame shipped out today. Guessing that cranks may be the hardest parts to source.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on September 14, 2017, 06:11:05 PM
You should get the frame soon then. I have some 165mm cranks to sell too but those will probably be to long.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: Ellagard on September 15, 2017, 02:28:01 AM
It might be a good idea to measure her current cranks :) She rides a 24" alu Trek MT-200 to school and a 24" carbon MTB on the weekends. Will measure both.

No racing for us so carbon is over the top, but I got a really good second-hand deal on the 24" carbon bike. For the 26" I have been looking for a small and light alu-frame for some time now with no luck. I ended up paying $260 for the FM-frame (plus VAT over here possibly) and that makes it a viable option.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: Ellagard on October 28, 2017, 03:05:15 PM
The frame finally arrived! Took forever for them to ship it, but they eventually did and it looks good.

Seat post clamp was missing, but it will be sent to me.

Now the hunt for parts begins!
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on October 29, 2017, 07:12:11 AM
The frame finally arrived! Took forever for them to ship it, but they eventually did and it looks good.

Seat post clamp was missing, but it will be sent to me.

Now the hunt for parts begins!

Awesome! No pictures yet?  8)
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: Ellagard on October 30, 2017, 04:51:19 AM
It's black...  ;)

Will probably go for SRAM NX cranks, they are available in 155mm stock. I have the taps to drill and thread longer cranks, but most other options seem more expensive.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: Ellagard on October 30, 2017, 02:59:05 PM
Pics will follow...

Are away at the inlaws now...

Did some shopping:

Cranks: SRAM NX 155mm
Rear mech: NX 1x11
Shifter: SRAM GX grip-shift
Cassette: Sunrace 11-46
Generic chinese carbon seat post, no setback
Chinese carbon bars
SRAM Level brakes
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: Ellagard on November 06, 2017, 04:07:55 PM
Here is the frame - as stated above - it's black and fairly light!

Took a trip to the post office today to pick up a box of red SRAM-candy! Here pictured with the Manitou fork.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: slickrock22 on November 14, 2017, 08:47:18 AM
Great thread.  Thanks!  Where can I purchase this same FM-0001?  Does Peter sell it?  The original link doesnt work.

Thanks!
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on November 15, 2017, 09:55:40 AM
Peter doesn’t sell this frame but he did have a similar 15” 26er frame. My daughters frame is still going strong with out any issues. Here is a current link for the 14” frame.

http://s.aliexpress.com/yQ3mAN7f
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: slickrock22 on November 16, 2017, 11:18:15 AM
Thank you!
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: Ellagard on November 25, 2017, 09:03:42 AM
I bought mine from https://www.aliexpress.com/item/MTB-bike-cheap-frames-china-Best-Carbon-MTB-Frame-26er-Mountain-Bike-Frames-BB92-For-26ER/32753161894.html
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: Ellagard on November 26, 2017, 02:32:17 PM
And so it begins... for starters I hade to make a BB press-tool. 3/4" MDF, M12 threaded rod, some washers and nuts. Mating faces were greased before installation. BB went in witout issues.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: Ellagard on November 26, 2017, 02:33:05 PM
155mm NX cranks in place.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: Ellagard on November 26, 2017, 02:36:00 PM
The steerer tube was cut to a preliminary length, way too long. Will be adjusted later. I have short Wake stem on order, same as shown earlier by OP in this thread.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: Ellagard on November 26, 2017, 02:39:27 PM
Now I have also installed the bars and brakes, hoses are not cut to proper length. Rear mech is in place

The bike will get red as accent colour - I have a list of red things on order: Pedals, seat post clamp, shift cable housing, headset spacers and some other small bits and pieces!
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on November 26, 2017, 03:05:07 PM
Looking very nice! For the price, those short NX cranksets are tough to beat. Finally some decent short cranks available.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: voodoo320 on November 26, 2017, 10:54:29 PM
Nice selection of parts. Post your final built! :)
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: Ellagard on November 27, 2017, 03:46:08 PM
Thanks. The Level brakes were a slight disappointment. The reservoir / handle / piston unit is huge. I am sure they will do the job, but they look clumsy, unfortunately. Had I known, I would have gone with something from Shimano at the same price, I run XT/SLX on my own bikes and Deore is far slimmer than theese Level brakes.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: Ellagard on April 07, 2018, 07:38:42 AM
Spring is here and so are the final parts, the Swedish Mail has had some serius trouble with milions of chineese packages every week this winter. The stem and some other parts took forever to get.

The weight is 10.6kg and it feels light. A lighter fork and lighter wheels could save 1 kg, but that would double the cost of the bike. I originally bought Grip-shift, but after having two shifters fail on the bike stand I went for triggers. The defective shfters are sent back for warranty replacement. Tyres are Nobby Nic 2.25 Folding LiteSkins. Still good clearance and gives a bit of a plus-feeling on a kids bike. Cassette is a Sunrace 11s 11-46, same as I ride myself. Nice for casual trail riding.

@bxxc: Thanks for your help, much appreciated, I guess that you are still subscribed!



Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on April 08, 2018, 09:42:53 AM
That’s a great build! And you’re welcome. I’m glad this thread has helped others.

As for the fork, I may have a new RockShox Sid up for grabs. 2017 Sid RL for 27.5” wheels. 2 things to note though, the axle to crown will be 10mm higher and it’s for Boost hubs. You’ll need a boost adapter and the 10mm makes it the same as a 110mm travel 26” fork. And then there is the shipping to Sweden from the US. Let me know if you’re interested.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: Ellagard on April 08, 2018, 02:46:54 PM
Thanks, but no. The Manitou fork (brand new for the bike) is really nice, and not worth the hassle or money to replace.

Might get some action shots next week.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on April 19, 2018, 07:20:36 AM
So for anyone looking for a fork for this frame, I have a RS Sid RL 27.5" 100mm travel Boost 15x110 axle for sale. It's brand new and in the retail box with stealth decals, two tokens, and a star nut. The axle to crown measurement is only 10mm longer than a 100mm 26" fork so it won't mess with the geometry of this bike much. I'm putting one on my daughters frame and I'll post up some pictures once it's installed.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: flynmoose on July 24, 2018, 08:02:07 AM
Hey BXCC

If you are still monitoring this thread, I have a question.

You mention putting 27.5 hoops on at some point.  Are the chainstays long enough on this frame to support 650B?  This is what I have been thinking of doing as well.  I have a couple of sets of Crest hoops in 26 - so was going to put my daughter on this frame and then grow her up to 650B. 

I had been looking at the 15.5 frames that are marketed as 650B but I thought it would be a bit tall for her for a while.

Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on July 24, 2018, 11:40:50 AM
Yup, I’m still here. If you can give me a couple of days, I can check for you. I can pull the rear wheel off of my other daughters bike, I’ll just have to swap end caps to make sure it lines up correctly.

How tall is your daughter? My first thought would be that when she is ready for 27.5” wheels, the frame will already be a bit cramped for her. My oldest is 5 foot even and fits great on the 15.5” frame from Peter at XMCarbonspeed.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: flynmoose on August 01, 2018, 11:52:13 AM
So here is where I'm at:

9.5 year old daughter has been riding a Marin 13" frame 24" wheelset for about 18 months.  She hasn't REALLY outgrown it but the 24" wheels are really starting to impact her riding compared to her peers.  She raced CX on a 24" CX frame last year and wants to race again this year but on a MTB instead of a CX bike.

So - I would like to build her a new bike as light or lighter than my previous build on the Marin (~23lbs).  Have looked at the FM-M001 frame and it would certainly fit the bill but have also looked at a FM-M009 27.5 in 15" frame.  I have some 26" Crest hoops that I plan on using to build Triplet laced wheelset for her.

By my calculations - this would put the standover height at around 26-27" (1/3 way up top tube) with 26" wheels and closer to 28.5" with 650B.   Effective Top Tube length is 30mm longer (about an inch) so she would probably be a "little" more stretched out but probably manageable with short stem and zero offset post.

Here are her stats:
Height: 58" (147cm)
Sternal Notch: 47" (119cm)
Inseam (cycling): 28" (71cm)
Trunk: 17" (43cm)
Forearm: 10" (25cm)
Arm: 19" (48cm)
Thigh: 18" (46cm)
Lower leg: 19" (48cm)

I would expect she will grow 1-1.5" in the next year based on her growth curve and her older brother's heights (she has bee taller than both of them at every milestone and 14 y.o. is now 5'10")

Is it worth it to bother with a 650B frame in hopes of putting larger hoops on later? (Seems like this frame and 650B would easily get her to 5'2" without being to jammed up?)
Will 26" wheels on the 650B frame mess up the rideability considerably?
She is going into 4th grade - so she has 2 years before she starts riding on our NICA team. Am I fooling myself to think she could ride this bike (assuming built in the next 6 months) in the Spring of 2021?

Nothing can be transferred from the 24" and I will probably hand that down to one of the other neighborhood girls. 

I'm sort of using the TrailCraft Timber 1x top build as a benchmark.  With a lightweight aluminum frame and wheelset - they claim 21.75lbs for a 26" bike.  But I think I can build it for less than $2300 using Chinese Carbon, hand built wheels etc.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: thesmokingman on August 01, 2018, 05:24:20 PM
Your kid is 4'8 so she will fit this frame w/o issue. My kid switched to a larger frame around 5'2 iirc. He went thru a couple NICA seasons with it. And as far as Trailcraft, you can easily beat them at the game with this frame. Here is my sons retired FM001 which weighed 22.5lbs with dropper.

(https://i.imgur.com/QoIl9myl.jpg)

When he outgrew that we went FS with a FM076.

(https://i.imgur.com/LQTFZItl.jpg)
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: ldavies on March 04, 2019, 12:37:52 PM
Hello Ellaard, bxcc and thesmokingman.  Did you have any issues with the seat tube internal dimensions on your frames?  On my Tideace FM-001 I could not fit the correct sized seatpost down more than a couple of inches and upon further investigation found that the carbon had stuck to the mold and had to get a file out to undo a blockage in the seat tube.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on March 05, 2019, 05:07:48 AM
The one I got was clear of any debris or leftover resin. How does it fit after the clean up? Both of the Workswell frame I have needed some resin cleanup before I could build them up. Given the cost of these frame, I don't get to worked up if they need a bit of TLC out of the box. Just as long as it's something I can take care of and it isn't a lack of resin in a critical spot.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: flynmoose on March 20, 2019, 08:46:16 PM
Well got it finished.  She wanted to start riding before I had a suspension fork, so is riding it now with the rigid (which I bought for CX season.)

She likes it so much that now I have the Reba sitting on a shelf waiting for a moment when I can take the bike apart and trim the steerer tube down.

The Sprinkle Donut steerer tube cap and the purple nipples on the rims were a big hit.

No weight or cost data ATM as I was lazy on record keeping and the 27.5 wheels that are on there now are heavy AM wheels that I bought as spares for the 2 Kona Full Squish bikes that we have.  I have a set of 26" Crest hoops that are drilled 24H so I could lace them up triplet (16:8) and make a really light wheelset.  But she fits the 27.5 just fine and the Stans rims are white which won't work as well aesthetically (and its all about the looks at this point.)

I did go with a Praxis BB so I could run the Trailcraft cranks.  The bummer and delay with that option was the nut plate laid up in the bottom bracket shell extended too far into the hole to allow the outer sleeve for the Praxis bracket to go through.  About a 30min with a small grinder wheel on a mini dremel tool took that down with plenty of threads left on the nut plate and screw to hold the access cover on the bottom.

(And NO - I didn't send her out without any brake discs!  Snapped these pics before I got them installed and just haven't taken any pics of the complete/complete bike.)

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Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: carbonazza on March 21, 2019, 05:51:11 AM
What a beautiful and so girly bike !
What color reference did you ask ?
I can't wait my currently 6 years old to grow to be able to build her one like this  ;)
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: Sitar_Ned on March 21, 2019, 10:31:15 AM
Man I would've killed for a bike like the ones in this thread when I was younger!
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: flynmoose on March 21, 2019, 09:34:03 PM
@carbonazza - the color was called purple chameleon.  Frame was painted by Tideace when I bought it.  They also had a greenish/blue chameleon paint job.

Here is my component list - I don't have the actual weight for all the parts.

Frame:  Tideace FM-M009 - 27.5" frame - painted - 1120g (as advertised - includes QR dropouts) - $291
Tideace supplied headset, seat clamp, rear thru-axle, carbon steerer compression plug - ~250g (forgot to weigh)
Seatpost: Tideace carbon - 400mm - ~210g - $25
Handlebar: Tideace carbon - 660mm - ~120g - $17
Fork#1: Tideace carbon ridgid 29" fork - painted - 515g (untrimmed.  TA and nut added 110g) - $96
Fork #2: Rockshox Reba 27.5" 100mm 15mm TA - 1660g (untrimmed.  includes TA) - $280
Crank: Trailcraft 152mm crankarm dirct mount 24mm "hollowtech" - 570g - $112
Chainring: AbsoluteBlack 30t oval- direct mount - ~55g - $50
Praxis BB30 Conversion bottom bracket - ~140g - $74
Quaxar IRIS  160mm brake discs - ~132g -  $28 (for 2)
Shimano SLX Front/Rear brakes ~557g - $134
Sunrace MX8 11-46 cassette ~485g - $40
KMC 11.93 chain ~266g - $20
Shimano M8000 - Rear Mech ~273g - $68
Shimano M8000 - Shifter ~144g - $39
Forte Corsa stem - ~120g - $13
Wheels - WTB i25 second-hand, hand built - ~2200g (HEAVY!) - $180
Tires - Schwalbe Evo Snakeskin - Nobby Nick Front / Rocket Ron back ~1340g - ~$70 (for both)
Sella Italia Ldy Gel saddle - ~280g - $100 (Mom didn't like it.)
Specialized clamp-on grips - ~120g - Free! (door prize)
Generic composite pedals - ~350g - leftovers
Tubes 27.5 x 2.1 ~400g

From my spreadsheet that I just did, 9757grams calculated.  On the scale right now as ridden on the trails- 9.8kg (bathroom scales - my nice hanging scale drowned in a rainstorm.)

So - not exactly svelt - but almost 2lbs extra in the crappy wheelset.  That would put me under 20lbs with the rigid fork and under 22lbs with the Reba installed.

And for ~$1600 - she has a bike that can be run rigid for CX and front squish for MTB.  To buy an equivalent 26" bike, would be in for $2300 and wouldn't have the rigid fork and this bike is 27.5.

I'm happy - and more important the daughter is happy (second bike I built her and SHE LOVES that it is a "Daddy" brand without any letters all over it.)



Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on September 18, 2020, 09:44:16 AM
This bike has been going strong for the last few years. And since my kid has decided to grow beyond this bikes useable range, it is up for sale. There has been a couple of changes since it was originally built. The fork is now an all black 2017 SID RL 100mm boost fork, the crank is a 155mm NX crank, and the stem is a white Truvativ stem. It will have a new chain and clean drivetrain at the time of sale as well. Let me know if anyone is interested.

Yes it's a shameless "for sale" post but I think the OP will be fine with it.  ;)
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: batboy on October 22, 2020, 01:36:05 PM
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001441685047.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.4ba33e561expOX&algo_pvid=e3fea48a-fc9e-47f0-8ea0-be83835082fe&algo_expid=e3fea48a-fc9e-47f0-8ea0-be83835082fe-2&btsid=0b0a557016033898987554154ef99d&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_ (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001441685047.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.4ba33e561expOX&algo_pvid=e3fea48a-fc9e-47f0-8ea0-be83835082fe&algo_expid=e3fea48a-fc9e-47f0-8ea0-be83835082fe-2&btsid=0b0a557016033898987554154ef99d&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_)

I found a similar frame but see that the internal routing is all backwards. 

1)  The single hole on the right side of the headtube is threaded for the rear derailleur (I would like this to be for the internal routed dropper post.
2)  The bottom of the 2 holes on the left side of the headtube is threaded for a front derailleur (I would like this to be for the rear Derailleur)

This leads me to my last question, can these be changed?  It looks like there is an access port under the bottom bracket that is used to route lines. 
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on October 22, 2020, 02:27:16 PM
Judging by the pictures, I believe you can change them. They normally don't run tubes inside of the frame. This layout looks similar to one my oldest daughter is using. I drilled out the removable plastic cable stop to make it a cable guide. I like running full length housing. You should be able to redirect the cables from the bottom cover plate. Not sure if you can access the seat tube though.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: batboy on October 24, 2020, 09:44:43 PM
Judging by the pictures, I believe you can change them. They normally don't run tubes inside of the frame. This layout looks similar to one my oldest daughter is using. I drilled out the removable plastic cable stop to make it a cable guide. I like running full length housing. You should be able to redirect the cables from the bottom cover plate. Not sure if you can access the seat tube though.

Does your frame have the access door under the bottom bracket?  What is the purpose of this door?  It looks like there should be access to the seat tube since that's where the front derailleur thread comes out of.