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Chinese Carbon MTB => 26er & 27.5 (650b) => Topic started by: bxcc on November 09, 2016, 05:55:02 PM

Title: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on November 09, 2016, 05:55:02 PM
My next build has officially begun. This time for daughter #2, the AR in GKARTA.
I ordered the frame on November 7th and hopefully it's here before Santa as he is the official delivery dude. The frame is sold from a bunch of different vendors but I bought this one from Tideace or Haideli on AliExpress. It's also sold on eBay by Tideace and Dashine bikes and on Amazon by Fasteam. I had several emails with Amy and her communication has been great and she informed me that Tideace and Haideli are the same company but Fasteam and Dashine are different vendors. Here is the link for the frame I purchased.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/carbon-mountain-bike-frame-with-headset-carbon-mtb-frame-26-size-14-and-16-For-Bike/32530200941.html?spm=2114.13010208.99999999.264.OKUMT2

So on with the build details. The frame will get the household standard of GKARTA decals with a color preference of yellow. The only thing that isn't high on the color list is the white fork. But since it was new from Amazon for $165, white it is. Unless someone has a black Reba 27.5 fork they want to trade for a Revelation RCT3.

Frame: Tideace FM-M001 14" frame 3K weave in matte finish
Fork: RockShox Revelation RCT3 27.5 100mm travel 15mm thru axle
Bar: Chiner carbon flat bar 660 wide
Grips: ESI Racer's Edge yellow
Stem: Wake 40mm
Seatpost: GUB 31.6 straight post
Saddle: Codream 230x140 kids seat from Amazon
Brakes: Shimano Deore M615
Rotors: Avid G3 160mm 6-bolt rotors (painted ones from AliExpress)
Wheels: Stans ZTR Crest 32h, DT Swiss 350 hubs, DT Swiss Competition spokes, Sapim aluminum self locking nipples
Tires: WTB Bronson Race 26x2.1
Crank: SRAM Stylo GXP 1.1 150mm (cut down from 175)
Chainring: 32T N/W gold ring
Bottom Bracket: SRAM GXP BB92
Pedals: Race Face Chester
Shifter: Shimano SLX M7000
Rear Derailleur: Shimano SLX M7000
Cassette: Shimano XT M8000 11-42 11 speed
Chain: Sram NX PC-1110

Weight: no idea but I hope it's in the 23 pound ballpark. 20 lbs would be great but some of the parts are on the portly side so I don't think it's doable with the current budget. I have thought about re-lacing the wheels to some Stan's Crest rims which would drop some weight and gain 1.5mm in inner width but I'm not sure if it's a worthy investment.

I'll keep this thread updated as the parts arrive.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on November 10, 2016, 09:21:05 AM
Quick update. The frame has shipped already which is 2 days from ordering.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: carbonazza on November 10, 2016, 10:35:02 AM
Thanks for continually experimenting :)
Aren't Aliexpress sellers incentivized to ship fast?
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on November 10, 2016, 11:26:45 AM
I believe you are correct. One thing that I do like is that AliExpress (AliPay) doesn't release the funds until the seller states that everything is ok. It's probably a little more risk for the seller but as the buyer, it gives a better sense of protection.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on November 16, 2016, 10:28:54 AM
Quick update. I placed the order on Nov 8th and the frame arrived on Nov 16th. That's pretty darn quick! 8 days from placing the order to the northeast US. Everything was well packaged and appears to be good. Quality wise, it looks to be on par with other Chinese carbon vendors. So far, I'm very pleased.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: carbonazza on November 16, 2016, 10:58:11 AM
... 8 days from placing the order to the northeast US...
Isn't this the speed record of the forum ?  :)
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on November 16, 2016, 11:05:11 AM
 It has got to be pretty close. I have ordered things from the US that have taken longer than that.  I wanted to get the order placed early so that I would be sure to have it before Christmas. I guess I didn't need to sweat that one.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on November 16, 2016, 11:15:42 AM
Here are a couple of pictures. It seems I can't figure out the new Imgur site and have the pictures actually viewable without clicking the link.
http://imgur.com/nUlXmj3
http://imgur.com/fmaM23n
http://imgur.com/xxpeVmT
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on November 19, 2016, 11:44:37 AM
Minor update. I updated the first post as a couple of things have changed and all the parts are on their way. A different stem will be used than what is pictured.

(https://s18.postimg.org/tc86xiomt/IMG_1616.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/tc86xiomt/)
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on December 01, 2016, 06:59:35 AM
I have updated the build a bit. After a couple of emails with DT Swiss, I got the make up of the M1800 wheels. Hubs are 350's, rims are M480's, and spokes are DT Comp's. They are sending me some new 350 hub decals (want to get the M1800 decals off of the hubs) and I have the Crest rims on the way. The ERD is the same on both rims so not having to get more spokes makes it easier on the wallet, and so does finding some brand new in the wrapper rims on eBay for $45 shipped per pair. The rims are a bit narrow for my liking but with the 350 hubs and DT Comp spokes, it's a pretty solid build and should drop well over a half pound of rim weight for $45. So after springing for the Sapim Double Head self locking aluminum nipples in the bling color of yellow, I'll be into the wheels for $261.

Now just to find some chinese carbon 27.5 rims with an ERD of 540 so I can keep using the hubs and spokes as she grows into a 27.5 bike.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on January 04, 2017, 06:03:06 AM
The brakes finally arrived. They were ordered on Nov 11th on AliExpress and arrived on Dec 31st. I did give the bike to her for Christmas, just with out brakes. We installed them last night and threw it on the scale. 21.8 pounds with the RF Chester pedals. I would definitely like to see it under 20lbs but it will most likely stay where it is. She super excited to try it out but it will have to wait.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: carbonazza on January 05, 2017, 12:43:28 AM
Thank you for experimenting again  :)
What do you think about the brakes?
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on January 16, 2017, 04:41:39 PM
I like the brakes a lot. Between all the bikes at my house, I have the new XTR M9020 and 9000's, SLX M675's, XT M785's and M8000's, and the Deore M615's. Other than the feel of the dimpled lever, the only noticeable difference while riding is the XTR Race as they don't have the servo wave feature. All the others perform equally well. I was thinking of going with the M396 brakes but I wanted to keep all bikes sharing the same type of brake pad and bleeding procedure.

Anyway, here is a picture of the maiden voyage. Still waiting on the handlebars but everything else is complete. Final weight is 21.4 pounds as pictured.

http://imgur.com/wbg4ozb
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on February 06, 2017, 02:14:49 PM
The handlebars finally arrived and we got them mounted and all adjusted. The fit and finish of the frame is excellent and so isn't  the customer service of Tideace. 24" wheels would definitely help a bit but once she is on the bike, it fits great. The 26" wheels just makes it a little tall but she should do just fine. The crank arms at 150mm seem like a good fit too.

For the name, her favorite ski trail at Sugarloaf is White Nitro, and since she has been skiing it, she has been calling herself "White Nitro Girl". So I had to add a little personal touch.

Here are some final pictures.


(http://i.imgur.com/xRKIxEy.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/QKl6TsP.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/BufOybH.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/hXicqa8.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/7SOdAOx.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Ab2zuZz.jpg)
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: carbonazza on February 07, 2017, 05:02:48 AM
Wow. Beautiful bike!
I love the colors.
The gold carbon look of the spacers is so cool :)

Are they vinyl stickers?
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on February 07, 2017, 06:51:40 AM
Yes it Oracal 651 vinyl sheets. My sister in law has an embroidery / screen printing shop and she recommended that vinyl. I just had to figure out how to use her program and the plotter for the words. The rest is just done with a paper punch that can be bought at any craft store or on Amazon. There is better vinyl out there (Oracal 751 and 951) but this is supposedly the best bang for the buck for a 2 to 3 year use. The 751 will last longer as vehicle wraps but since it's on a bike that will be out grown in a couple of years and is stored inside, I went with the 651 as it's less than half the cost.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on June 11, 2017, 01:15:41 PM
Just a few action shots to confirm the build has worked out perfectly. The fit is great but the wheels are still a bit big. Nothing that has caused an issue just similar to someone who is 61" tall riding a 29er. But with the proper fitting crank and a good comfortable reach, it just took some getting used to a taller bike. I also came across a black RS Revelation for well under $200 so I did some part swapping between the bikes of daughter #1 and daughter #2. Both of us have been extremely happy with the finished product.

(http://i.imgur.com/O49nBJ7.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/OV5fAW2.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/pm5kJlm.jpg)
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: Ellagard on September 05, 2017, 04:28:21 PM
Nice build!

How tall was your daughter when she got the bike? My 9yo is on a 24" (14" seat tube) bike now, but I suspect that it will be slightly small next year. This frame looks like a really good option for a winter build for her and me.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on September 05, 2017, 08:05:43 PM
She is 4'6" and it fits great. It's a bit tall for her due to the 26" wheels, but once she is on and riding, it's near perfect. It took a few rides to adjust to the height but she's rolling comfortably now.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: Ellagard on September 06, 2017, 03:03:20 PM
Great!

My daughter in almost 2" shorter, but this a winter project. Since you use the short Wake stem and a seatpost with no setback, there should be som room for the girls to grow!
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on September 06, 2017, 03:25:44 PM
Great!

My daughter in almost 2" shorter, but this a winter project. Since you use the short Wake stem and a seatpost with no setback, there should be som room for the girls to grow!

Exactly! I did have to cut some of the seat post off so it would go low enough into the frame but those are cheap enough (under $15) that I can just get another when the time comes. Keep us posted on the progress!
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: Ellagard on September 07, 2017, 04:17:42 PM
Frame & fork ordered. Fork will be a Manitou Marvel Comp, found a good deal on it. Air, rebound, compression.  I have wheels and carbon bars, will do some bargain hunting during the winter for brakes and drivetrain. Over and out for now, the frame will probably be few weeks.

Greetings from Sweden!
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on September 12, 2017, 02:17:04 PM
Frame & fork ordered. Fork will be a Manitou Marvel Comp, found a good deal on it. Air, rebound, compression.  I have wheels and carbon bars, will do some bargain hunting during the winter for brakes and drivetrain. Over and out for now, the frame will probably be few weeks.

Greetings from Sweden!

Nice! Let us know what parts you may find difficult to source, we might be able to help. I may have the cranks from this bike (150mm GXP) for sale this winter. Daughter #1 will be getting a new bike and I'll probably be moving parts around a bit.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: Ellagard on September 14, 2017, 12:57:04 PM
I´ll keep you posted. Fork arrived this week, the frame shipped out today. Guessing that cranks may be the hardest parts to source.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: bxcc on September 14, 2017, 06:11:05 PM
You should get the frame soon then. I have some 165mm cranks to sell too but those will probably be to long.
Title: Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build
Post by: Ellagard on September 15, 2017, 02:28:01 AM
It might be a good idea to measure her current cranks :) She rides a 24" alu Trek MT-200 to school and a 24" carbon MTB on the weekends. Will measure both.

No racing for us so carbon is over the top, but I got a really good second-hand deal on the 24" carbon bike. For the 26" I have been looking for a small and light alu-frame for some time now with no luck. I ended up paying $260 for the FM-frame (plus VAT over here possibly) and that makes it a viable option.