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Chinese Carbon MTB => 29+ & 27+ => Topic started by: PeterXu on December 21, 2016, 01:36:21 AM

Title: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: PeterXu on December 21, 2016, 01:36:21 AM
Size 17.5'' coulbe preordered now  :):  http://www.xmcarbonspeed.com/Productinfo.asp?f=1485
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Carbon_Dude on December 21, 2016, 06:47:06 AM
Looks nice Peter!
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Bhaalgorn on December 25, 2016, 09:58:08 PM
Whoa! Cool!

Dang it. I had almost settled on the 821 and now I see this. Any idea how this would do setup as an xc 29er with say 120mm of travel front and 100mm travel in the rear?
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: FOM on December 25, 2016, 11:36:23 PM
How much shipped to the USA?
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: alexdi on January 13, 2017, 10:02:37 PM
Very impressive frame. The geometry is identical to Scott's 700 Plus, save for a slightly shorter head tube. Identical suspension geometry. Good cable routing. Properly thick chainstays and a solid rear triangle. If I were building a 650B+ trail bike, this would be my first choice. About the only negative I see is shared with the Spark: that kinked seat tube will limit dropper post travel.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Carbon_Dude on January 14, 2017, 06:53:15 AM
Very impressive frame. The geometry is identical to Scott's 700 Plus, save for a slightly shorter head tube. Identical suspension geometry. Good cable routing. Properly thick chainstays and a solid rear triangle. If I were building a 650B+ trail bike, this would be my first choice. About the only negative I see is shared with the Spark: that kinked seat tube will limit dropper post travel.

Well said.  If I didn't already have a 27.5+ bike, this frame would be my first choice.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: xcfreak on January 16, 2017, 04:50:40 PM
Will this frame be viable with 29inch wheels with 2.2 tyres?

Looks amazing!
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Luke.moore on January 16, 2017, 10:25:07 PM
Anyone think there will be a lot of pedal striking with the low bb? A 29" wheelset would help some maybe?
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: ChrisCarbon on January 30, 2017, 11:42:11 AM
Looks amazing!

Any idea if a 29er fork would fit this, together with 27.5+ wheels?

Price..?
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Polo7 on February 01, 2017, 09:07:21 AM
I asked Peter & he said yes.

I assume this is the same 120mm. frame used for the 29er Spark, with longer fork to correct geometry (pedal strikes) Did parking test ride on the 2017 Scott Spark 950 M (aluminum) & was impressed. Bike felt pretty snappy, it retained a cross-country feel with some "trail" playfulness. Super low stand-over height made it feel like a 27.5. Left suspension "open" the whole time (dislike the twinloc system) & could not feel excessive pedal bob. But this is NO racer.

Does anyone know exact rear shock that would go with this frame? My Scott dealer called to ask availability of the shock that comes stock with the 2017 Scott Spark Plus. You can order it but there is a 4 week wait time on it.

Just wondering if that is the rear shock to get here.





Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: PeterXu on February 16, 2017, 11:56:26 PM
Sorry that we did wrong claim on the shock size, it should be 168*38mm, now it is correct on our website
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: me3 on February 24, 2017, 05:57:32 AM
I want to XL version, shipped to Kyrgyzstan. What is avaialbility and price please?
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: mezastel on March 23, 2017, 08:22:44 AM
Seems like this isn't available for ordering yet. I think I'll wait until one of you brave souls buys it, does a build and posts your experiences.  ;)
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Luke.moore on March 24, 2017, 08:15:21 AM
I'm ordering it now with a set of 29" wheels.

So the only size available right now is the 17.5". This is the size my wife rides and this would get her off her hardtail. I'm starting her off with a set of boost 29" carbon/dtswiss 350s and I'll get a 27+ set for her later.
There are parts I haven't picked yet, but here's my build list so far.
Already have...
Sram x1 gxp crank arms 28t
Sram x1 shifter
Sram x0 rear derailleur
Sram xg1175 cassette
Sram pc1110
Sram Guide Rs 180mm rotors
Reverb Stealth Dropper 125mm
Saint pedals

I figure out the cockpit after I start building but I will stay close to the Scott dimensions.

I'm kinda stuck on what fork and shock to get.
Leaning to this fork in 140mm    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/manitou-magnum-pro-forks-15mm-2017/rp-prod157579
and this shock    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/manitou-mcleod-rear-shock/rp-prod129744

I'll start a build thread when I get the frame in. If you guys have any opinions or ideas, let me know, I'm totally open.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Polo7 on March 30, 2017, 01:22:25 PM
Per Peter, this frame clears 29er x 2.2'' max wheel.

Will you be using SCOTT Twinlock Remote Lever to tighten fork & shock?


Regards.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Luke.moore on March 30, 2017, 01:46:14 PM
I'm probably not going to use fox suspension so no twinlock levers. As for tires I'm looking at a Maxxis Minion DHF 29x2.5 in the front and a 29x2.3 Minion SS in the rear. I hope the 2.3 clears and peter was just being conservative.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Polo7 on March 30, 2017, 04:54:42 PM
Also hope he was being conservative. Don't see why a 2.3 wouldn't fit in there, it this is a 2017 Scott Spark 700 Plus replica.

Paying attention to your build, as this frame caught my attention.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Luke.moore on March 30, 2017, 06:59:15 PM
Yeah,  I'll let everyone know as soon the frame comes in.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: tripleDot on March 31, 2017, 12:17:45 AM
Guys, I don't know much about plus tire bikes so l was wondering why you're choosing to convert this to a 29er instead of just going for a regular 29er full sus frame.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Luke.moore on March 31, 2017, 05:46:21 AM
The 29er will be faster rolling than the 27+ for one. Secondly i wanted the geometry and travel this frame offers and i couldn't find the same in a true 29er frame. Eventually I'm also going to have 27+ wheel set, but I'm starting with the 29 set because they will be compatible wth my other bikes.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: tripleDot on March 31, 2017, 10:16:51 AM
I see.  Thanks for the enlightenment.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Polo7 on March 31, 2017, 03:35:52 PM
As much as people hate it, the whole bike industry is moving to BOOST. That is the new standard until manufacturers invent the new "thing." Some of the benefits are stiffer wheels, shorter chain stays, beefier bottom brackets... It's a way to future-proof your purchase. BOOST gives you the ability to run 27.5 BOOST wheels (2.8 -3.0 tires) or 29er wheels (2.2 - 2.35 tires) 27.5 Boost & 29er wheels are almost the same size, so you could have 2 bikes with 1 frame. Use the 27.5 Boost when looking for traction & fun, use 29er wheels when looking for speed & rollover ability. Of course, it all depends on your idea of "fun"
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Luke.moore on March 31, 2017, 04:32:28 PM
As much as people hate it, the whole bike industry is moving to BOOST. That is the new standard until manufacturers invent the new "thing." Some of the benefits are stiffer wheels, shorter chain stays, beefier bottom brackets... It's a way to future-proof your purchase. BOOST gives you the ability to run 27.5 BOOST wheels (2.8 -3.0 tires) or 29er wheels (2.2 - 2.35 tires) 27.5 Boost & 29er wheels are almost the same size, so you could have 2 bikes with 1 frame. Use the 27.5 Boost when looking for traction & fun, use 29er wheels when looking for speed & rollover ability. Of course, it all depends on your idea of "fun"

Well said.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Carbon_Dude on March 31, 2017, 07:16:43 PM
I have Boost hubs on three of my bikes.  I see no issues with it, other than maybe the need to buy new wheels if your old wheels are a different spacing.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: PeterXu on April 07, 2017, 07:10:45 AM
Yeah,  I'll let everyone know as soon the frame comes in.

Your frame can be shipped next week :)

And all sizes frames in UD matt first batch production can be availble in 20 days, we still have some frames left and they can be preordered now
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: bxcc on April 07, 2017, 01:07:32 PM
And all sizes frames in UD matt first batch production can be availble in 20 days, we still have some frames left and they can be preordered now

I don't need one, unfortunately. But I do know some that are in the market. I wish I could get one of them to buy one so I can try it for myself.

And for those that are curious to what bike it is similar too, I think I found one that is VERY close, the Santa Cruz Hightower. There may be others though. The difference is that this has 122mm of travel vs 135mm, and the bottom bracket is 6mm lower on the CS-FS27.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Carbon_Dude on April 07, 2017, 01:57:34 PM
I'm probably not going to use fox suspension so no twinlock levers. As for tires I'm looking at a Maxxis Minion DHF 29x2.5 in the front and a 29x2.3 Minion SS in the rear. I hope the 2.3 clears and peter was just being conservative.

Rockshox also has a twin pop-lock option if you went RS suspension front and rear.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Luke.moore on April 07, 2017, 09:17:05 PM
Yeah,  I'll let everyone know as soon the frame comes in.

Your frame can be shipped next week :)

And all sizes frames in UD matt first batch production can be availble in 20 days, we still have some frames left and they can be preordered now

Peter,
I'm excited! I'll start a build thread for all of us.
Are you going to post pics of the paint job?

Luke
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Freedazed on April 11, 2017, 07:25:32 AM
Looking forward to the build! Does anyone have some info on the price? cant find it on the websites?
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Luke.moore on April 12, 2017, 11:12:49 AM
Shoot Peter an email about pricing. He is quick to respond.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: mezastel on April 15, 2017, 05:08:30 PM
Speaking of this frame, how does one adapt a typical bottom bracket to BB92? For example, say I go for a Shimano 1x11 groupset - the XT MT800 bb states that is it compatible with 68mm and 73mm shell - what would you need to do to get it to work with BB92?
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: bxcc on April 15, 2017, 06:47:08 PM
Speaking of this frame, how does one adapt a typical bottom bracket to BB92? For example, say I go for a Shimano 1x11 groupset - the XT MT800 bb states that is it compatible with 68mm and 73mm shell - what would you need to do to get it to work with BB92?

It's super simple, just get one of these.
http://www.jensonusa.com/Shimano-SM-BB92-41B-Bottom-Bracket
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Luke.moore on April 15, 2017, 08:10:31 PM
Here's some pics of the frame and my rims. The frame is being painted pantone 299c blue and the rims are pantone 809c yellow/green. The rims look really yellow in the pics and less of neon yellow/green I was hoping for, but whatever, not a super big deal to me. I'll have a decal set made at my local vinyl wrap place and match it to the yellow. I ended up going with a Manitou Magnum Pro 140mm 27.5 plus fork and a Manitou McLeod rear shock. Cockpit is all Deity black and blue. Sram X0 rear derailleur, X1 shifter, Sram Descendant 30T 170mm gxp boost crank, Sram 1175 10-42 cassette, Sram Team GXP BB, Reverb Stealth 125mm dropper. Rims are the down hill 29's with DTSwiss 350/36T upgraded hubs. Tires are Minion SS 2.3 rear and DHF 2.5 front. I'll take my own pics when the frame shows up.

Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: mezastel on April 16, 2017, 03:56:00 AM
Speaking of this frame, how does one adapt a typical bottom bracket to BB92? For example, say I go for a Shimano 1x11 groupset - the XT MT800 bb states that is it compatible with 68mm and 73mm shell - what would you need to do to get it to work with BB92?

It's super simple, just get one of these.
http://www.jensonusa.com/Shimano-SM-BB92-41B-Bottom-Bracket

This appears to be the XTR variety. I did find a Shimano XT BB (http://www.performancebike.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10052_10551_1186171_-1___) though, hopefully that's the right one.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: bxcc on April 16, 2017, 07:28:45 AM
Speaking of this frame, how does one adapt a typical bottom bracket to BB92? For example, say I go for a Shimano 1x11 groupset - the XT MT800 bb states that is it compatible with 68mm and 73mm shell - what would you need to do to get it to work with BB92?

It's super simple, just get one of these.
http://www.jensonusa.com/Shimano-SM-BB92-41B-Bottom-Bracket

This appears to be the XTR variety. I did find a Shimano XT BB (http://www.performancebike.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10052_10551_1186171_-1___) though, hopefully that's the right one.

XTR, XT, SLX, or Deore, they will all work. I just searched for Shimano BB92 and that was one of the first that came up. And it was under $30.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Luke.moore on April 17, 2017, 07:59:50 AM
Painted frame...
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Polo7 on April 17, 2017, 04:18:17 PM
Very nice color!

Who painted it for you?

How much?


Regards.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Le Duke on April 17, 2017, 05:14:54 PM
And all sizes frames in UD matt first batch production can be availble in 20 days, we still have some frames left and they can be preordered now

I don't need one, unfortunately. But I do know some that are in the market. I wish I could get one of them to buy one so I can try it for myself.

And for those that are curious to what bike it is similar too, I think I found one that is VERY close, the Santa Cruz Hightower. There may be others though. The difference is that this has 122mm of travel vs 135mm, and the bottom bracket is 6mm lower on the CS-FS27.

This bike looks great, but aside from portions of its geometry, is nothing like the Hightower.

Think long travel XC vs. Enduro sled.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Luke.moore on April 17, 2017, 08:12:12 PM
Very nice color!

Who painted it for you?

How much?


Regards.

Peter painted it for me for a for bucks. I forget how much but it was less than $100. I'll have specifics in my build thread when i start it.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Luke.moore on April 17, 2017, 08:14:18 PM
And all sizes frames in UD matt first batch production can be availble in 20 days, we still have some frames left and they can be preordered now

I don't need one, unfortunately. But I do know some that are in the market. I wish I could get one of them to buy one so I can try it for myself.

And for those that are curious to what bike it is similar too, I think I found one that is VERY close, the Santa Cruz Hightower. There may be others though. The difference is that this has 122mm of travel vs 135mm, and the bottom bracket is 6mm lower on the CS-FS27.

This bike looks great, but aside from portions of its geometry, is nothing like the Hightower.

Think long travel XC vs. Enduro sled.

Scott copied this frame and called it the Spark 700 Plus. Geometry is the same.  ;)
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: RS VR6 on April 18, 2017, 09:01:02 PM
That's a cool color. Reminds me of the Nogarro Blue on the Audi S4. Looking forward to seeing it built up.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Le Duke on May 06, 2017, 09:49:37 AM
And all sizes frames in UD matt first batch production can be availble in 20 days, we still have some frames left and they can be preordered now

I don't need one, unfortunately. But I do know some that are in the market. I wish I could get one of them to buy one so I can try it for myself.

And for those that are curious to what bike it is similar too, I think I found one that is VERY close, the Santa Cruz Hightower. There may be others though. The difference is that this has 122mm of travel vs 135mm, and the bottom bracket is 6mm lower on the CS-FS27.

This bike looks great, but aside from portions of its geometry, is nothing like the Hightower.

Think long travel XC vs. Enduro sled.

Scott copied this frame and called it the Spark 700 Plus. Geometry is the same.  ;)

Sit on a Spark, a 130mm/122mm bike, and a Hightower, a 150/135mm bike, and tell me they are the same. Then put power into the pedals. Completely different.

Numbers on a table are one thing, but the actual riding position, when shocks are set up properly, is very different. They share similar geometry, but ride nothing alike.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: bxcc on May 06, 2017, 06:09:38 PM
Numbers on a table are one thing, but the actual riding position, when shocks are set up properly, is very different. They share similar geometry, but ride nothing alike.

I don't disagree with the fact that they could ride completely different. But with new frames straight from china, geo numbers is all we have to go on. But out of curiosity, have you ridden all 3? If not, it's not a fair judgement to say that they ride nothing alike.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Luke.moore on May 06, 2017, 06:43:50 PM
Numbers on a table are one thing, but the actual riding position, when shocks are set up properly, is very different. They share similar geometry, but ride nothing alike.

I don't disagree with the fact that they could ride completely different. But with new frames straight from china, geo numbers is all we have to go on. But out of curiosity, have you ridden all 3? If not, it's not a fair judgement to say that they ride nothing alike.
If you want to know how this frame feels, there is an easy solution.  Go to lbs. Ask for Spark 700 plus series. Test ride. It is the same. I promise. Suspension tune may play into it a little but it is a spark 700 plus. Its a fun bike.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Le Duke on May 06, 2017, 07:38:08 PM
Just so we're clear, I'm not bagging on the Scott or the FS-27. I'm probably going to buy one soon.

If anything, I'm defending the Scott from being compared to a SC. Had two SCs. Big, fat waste of money.

I'd love a 130/122mm FS to compliment my Yeti ASRc. I have two frames from Peter already, four Chinese carbon in total. Been very pleased.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Luke.moore on May 06, 2017, 08:05:39 PM
Just so we're clear, I'm not bagging on the Scott or the FS-27. I'm probably going to buy one soon.

If anything, I'm defending the Scott from being compared to a SC. Had two SCs. Big, fat waste of money.

I'd love a 130/122mm FS to compliment my Yeti ASRc. I have two frames from Peter already, four Chinese carbon in total. Been very pleased.
I wasn't in any way speaking for or against SC or Scott. Nor was i speaking to your posts other than saying that if you want a really close comparison,  ride the spark.  This is my wife's ride.  My bikes come from the large volume brands or boutique'ish brands. That being said,  this build is fun.  That's all from me.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Le Duke on May 06, 2017, 09:15:59 PM
We've been talking past each other. And I've been unclear. Sorry.  :)

I've ridden the Spark. It's an awesome bike. That's why I'm considering the CS-FS27.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Luke.moore on May 06, 2017, 09:45:51 PM
We've been talking past each other. And I've been unclear. Sorry.  :)

I've ridden the Spark. It's an awesome bike. That's why I'm considering the CS-FS27.
;) Beers are good tonight!