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Chinese Carbon MTB => 29+ & 27+ => Topic started by: PeterXu on December 21, 2016, 01:36:21 AM

Title: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: PeterXu on December 21, 2016, 01:36:21 AM
Size 17.5'' coulbe preordered now  :):  http://www.xmcarbonspeed.com/Productinfo.asp?f=1485
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Carbon_Dude on December 21, 2016, 06:47:06 AM
Looks nice Peter!
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Bhaalgorn on December 25, 2016, 09:58:08 PM
Whoa! Cool!

Dang it. I had almost settled on the 821 and now I see this. Any idea how this would do setup as an xc 29er with say 120mm of travel front and 100mm travel in the rear?
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: FOM on December 25, 2016, 11:36:23 PM
How much shipped to the USA?
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: alexdi on January 13, 2017, 10:02:37 PM
Very impressive frame. The geometry is identical to Scott's 700 Plus, save for a slightly shorter head tube. Identical suspension geometry. Good cable routing. Properly thick chainstays and a solid rear triangle. If I were building a 650B+ trail bike, this would be my first choice. About the only negative I see is shared with the Spark: that kinked seat tube will limit dropper post travel.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Carbon_Dude on January 14, 2017, 06:53:15 AM
Very impressive frame. The geometry is identical to Scott's 700 Plus, save for a slightly shorter head tube. Identical suspension geometry. Good cable routing. Properly thick chainstays and a solid rear triangle. If I were building a 650B+ trail bike, this would be my first choice. About the only negative I see is shared with the Spark: that kinked seat tube will limit dropper post travel.

Well said.  If I didn't already have a 27.5+ bike, this frame would be my first choice.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: xcfreak on January 16, 2017, 04:50:40 PM
Will this frame be viable with 29inch wheels with 2.2 tyres?

Looks amazing!
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Luke.moore on January 16, 2017, 10:25:07 PM
Anyone think there will be a lot of pedal striking with the low bb? A 29" wheelset would help some maybe?
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: ChrisCarbon on January 30, 2017, 11:42:11 AM
Looks amazing!

Any idea if a 29er fork would fit this, together with 27.5+ wheels?

Price..?
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Polo7 on February 01, 2017, 09:07:21 AM
I asked Peter & he said yes.

I assume this is the same 120mm. frame used for the 29er Spark, with longer fork to correct geometry (pedal strikes) Did parking test ride on the 2017 Scott Spark 950 M (aluminum) & was impressed. Bike felt pretty snappy, it retained a cross-country feel with some "trail" playfulness. Super low stand-over height made it feel like a 27.5. Left suspension "open" the whole time (dislike the twinloc system) & could not feel excessive pedal bob. But this is NO racer.

Does anyone know exact rear shock that would go with this frame? My Scott dealer called to ask availability of the shock that comes stock with the 2017 Scott Spark Plus. You can order it but there is a 4 week wait time on it.

Just wondering if that is the rear shock to get here.





Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: PeterXu on February 16, 2017, 11:56:26 PM
Sorry that we did wrong claim on the shock size, it should be 168*38mm, now it is correct on our website
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: me3 on February 24, 2017, 05:57:32 AM
I want to XL version, shipped to Kyrgyzstan. What is avaialbility and price please?
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: mezastel on March 23, 2017, 08:22:44 AM
Seems like this isn't available for ordering yet. I think I'll wait until one of you brave souls buys it, does a build and posts your experiences.  ;)
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Luke.moore on March 24, 2017, 08:15:21 AM
I'm ordering it now with a set of 29" wheels.

So the only size available right now is the 17.5". This is the size my wife rides and this would get her off her hardtail. I'm starting her off with a set of boost 29" carbon/dtswiss 350s and I'll get a 27+ set for her later.
There are parts I haven't picked yet, but here's my build list so far.
Already have...
Sram x1 gxp crank arms 28t
Sram x1 shifter
Sram x0 rear derailleur
Sram xg1175 cassette
Sram pc1110
Sram Guide Rs 180mm rotors
Reverb Stealth Dropper 125mm
Saint pedals

I figure out the cockpit after I start building but I will stay close to the Scott dimensions.

I'm kinda stuck on what fork and shock to get.
Leaning to this fork in 140mm    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/manitou-magnum-pro-forks-15mm-2017/rp-prod157579
and this shock    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/manitou-mcleod-rear-shock/rp-prod129744

I'll start a build thread when I get the frame in. If you guys have any opinions or ideas, let me know, I'm totally open.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Polo7 on March 30, 2017, 01:22:25 PM
Per Peter, this frame clears 29er x 2.2'' max wheel.

Will you be using SCOTT Twinlock Remote Lever to tighten fork & shock?


Regards.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Luke.moore on March 30, 2017, 01:46:14 PM
I'm probably not going to use fox suspension so no twinlock levers. As for tires I'm looking at a Maxxis Minion DHF 29x2.5 in the front and a 29x2.3 Minion SS in the rear. I hope the 2.3 clears and peter was just being conservative.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Polo7 on March 30, 2017, 04:54:42 PM
Also hope he was being conservative. Don't see why a 2.3 wouldn't fit in there, it this is a 2017 Scott Spark 700 Plus replica.

Paying attention to your build, as this frame caught my attention.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Luke.moore on March 30, 2017, 06:59:15 PM
Yeah,  I'll let everyone know as soon the frame comes in.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: tripleDot on March 31, 2017, 12:17:45 AM
Guys, I don't know much about plus tire bikes so l was wondering why you're choosing to convert this to a 29er instead of just going for a regular 29er full sus frame.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Luke.moore on March 31, 2017, 05:46:21 AM
The 29er will be faster rolling than the 27+ for one. Secondly i wanted the geometry and travel this frame offers and i couldn't find the same in a true 29er frame. Eventually I'm also going to have 27+ wheel set, but I'm starting with the 29 set because they will be compatible wth my other bikes.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: tripleDot on March 31, 2017, 10:16:51 AM
I see.  Thanks for the enlightenment.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Polo7 on March 31, 2017, 03:35:52 PM
As much as people hate it, the whole bike industry is moving to BOOST. That is the new standard until manufacturers invent the new "thing." Some of the benefits are stiffer wheels, shorter chain stays, beefier bottom brackets... It's a way to future-proof your purchase. BOOST gives you the ability to run 27.5 BOOST wheels (2.8 -3.0 tires) or 29er wheels (2.2 - 2.35 tires) 27.5 Boost & 29er wheels are almost the same size, so you could have 2 bikes with 1 frame. Use the 27.5 Boost when looking for traction & fun, use 29er wheels when looking for speed & rollover ability. Of course, it all depends on your idea of "fun"
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Luke.moore on March 31, 2017, 04:32:28 PM
As much as people hate it, the whole bike industry is moving to BOOST. That is the new standard until manufacturers invent the new "thing." Some of the benefits are stiffer wheels, shorter chain stays, beefier bottom brackets... It's a way to future-proof your purchase. BOOST gives you the ability to run 27.5 BOOST wheels (2.8 -3.0 tires) or 29er wheels (2.2 - 2.35 tires) 27.5 Boost & 29er wheels are almost the same size, so you could have 2 bikes with 1 frame. Use the 27.5 Boost when looking for traction & fun, use 29er wheels when looking for speed & rollover ability. Of course, it all depends on your idea of "fun"

Well said.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Carbon_Dude on March 31, 2017, 07:16:43 PM
I have Boost hubs on three of my bikes.  I see no issues with it, other than maybe the need to buy new wheels if your old wheels are a different spacing.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: PeterXu on April 07, 2017, 07:10:45 AM
Yeah,  I'll let everyone know as soon the frame comes in.

Your frame can be shipped next week :)

And all sizes frames in UD matt first batch production can be availble in 20 days, we still have some frames left and they can be preordered now
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: bxcc on April 07, 2017, 01:07:32 PM
And all sizes frames in UD matt first batch production can be availble in 20 days, we still have some frames left and they can be preordered now

I don't need one, unfortunately. But I do know some that are in the market. I wish I could get one of them to buy one so I can try it for myself.

And for those that are curious to what bike it is similar too, I think I found one that is VERY close, the Santa Cruz Hightower. There may be others though. The difference is that this has 122mm of travel vs 135mm, and the bottom bracket is 6mm lower on the CS-FS27.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Carbon_Dude on April 07, 2017, 01:57:34 PM
I'm probably not going to use fox suspension so no twinlock levers. As for tires I'm looking at a Maxxis Minion DHF 29x2.5 in the front and a 29x2.3 Minion SS in the rear. I hope the 2.3 clears and peter was just being conservative.

Rockshox also has a twin pop-lock option if you went RS suspension front and rear.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Luke.moore on April 07, 2017, 09:17:05 PM
Yeah,  I'll let everyone know as soon the frame comes in.

Your frame can be shipped next week :)

And all sizes frames in UD matt first batch production can be availble in 20 days, we still have some frames left and they can be preordered now

Peter,
I'm excited! I'll start a build thread for all of us.
Are you going to post pics of the paint job?

Luke
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Freedazed on April 11, 2017, 07:25:32 AM
Looking forward to the build! Does anyone have some info on the price? cant find it on the websites?
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Luke.moore on April 12, 2017, 11:12:49 AM
Shoot Peter an email about pricing. He is quick to respond.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: mezastel on April 15, 2017, 05:08:30 PM
Speaking of this frame, how does one adapt a typical bottom bracket to BB92? For example, say I go for a Shimano 1x11 groupset - the XT MT800 bb states that is it compatible with 68mm and 73mm shell - what would you need to do to get it to work with BB92?
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: bxcc on April 15, 2017, 06:47:08 PM
Speaking of this frame, how does one adapt a typical bottom bracket to BB92? For example, say I go for a Shimano 1x11 groupset - the XT MT800 bb states that is it compatible with 68mm and 73mm shell - what would you need to do to get it to work with BB92?

It's super simple, just get one of these.
http://www.jensonusa.com/Shimano-SM-BB92-41B-Bottom-Bracket
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Luke.moore on April 15, 2017, 08:10:31 PM
Here's some pics of the frame and my rims. The frame is being painted pantone 299c blue and the rims are pantone 809c yellow/green. The rims look really yellow in the pics and less of neon yellow/green I was hoping for, but whatever, not a super big deal to me. I'll have a decal set made at my local vinyl wrap place and match it to the yellow. I ended up going with a Manitou Magnum Pro 140mm 27.5 plus fork and a Manitou McLeod rear shock. Cockpit is all Deity black and blue. Sram X0 rear derailleur, X1 shifter, Sram Descendant 30T 170mm gxp boost crank, Sram 1175 10-42 cassette, Sram Team GXP BB, Reverb Stealth 125mm dropper. Rims are the down hill 29's with DTSwiss 350/36T upgraded hubs. Tires are Minion SS 2.3 rear and DHF 2.5 front. I'll take my own pics when the frame shows up.

Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: mezastel on April 16, 2017, 03:56:00 AM
Speaking of this frame, how does one adapt a typical bottom bracket to BB92? For example, say I go for a Shimano 1x11 groupset - the XT MT800 bb states that is it compatible with 68mm and 73mm shell - what would you need to do to get it to work with BB92?

It's super simple, just get one of these.
http://www.jensonusa.com/Shimano-SM-BB92-41B-Bottom-Bracket

This appears to be the XTR variety. I did find a Shimano XT BB (http://www.performancebike.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10052_10551_1186171_-1___) though, hopefully that's the right one.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: bxcc on April 16, 2017, 07:28:45 AM
Speaking of this frame, how does one adapt a typical bottom bracket to BB92? For example, say I go for a Shimano 1x11 groupset - the XT MT800 bb states that is it compatible with 68mm and 73mm shell - what would you need to do to get it to work with BB92?

It's super simple, just get one of these.
http://www.jensonusa.com/Shimano-SM-BB92-41B-Bottom-Bracket

This appears to be the XTR variety. I did find a Shimano XT BB (http://www.performancebike.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10052_10551_1186171_-1___) though, hopefully that's the right one.

XTR, XT, SLX, or Deore, they will all work. I just searched for Shimano BB92 and that was one of the first that came up. And it was under $30.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Luke.moore on April 17, 2017, 07:59:50 AM
Painted frame...
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Polo7 on April 17, 2017, 04:18:17 PM
Very nice color!

Who painted it for you?

How much?


Regards.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Le Duke on April 17, 2017, 05:14:54 PM
And all sizes frames in UD matt first batch production can be availble in 20 days, we still have some frames left and they can be preordered now

I don't need one, unfortunately. But I do know some that are in the market. I wish I could get one of them to buy one so I can try it for myself.

And for those that are curious to what bike it is similar too, I think I found one that is VERY close, the Santa Cruz Hightower. There may be others though. The difference is that this has 122mm of travel vs 135mm, and the bottom bracket is 6mm lower on the CS-FS27.

This bike looks great, but aside from portions of its geometry, is nothing like the Hightower.

Think long travel XC vs. Enduro sled.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Luke.moore on April 17, 2017, 08:12:12 PM
Very nice color!

Who painted it for you?

How much?


Regards.

Peter painted it for me for a for bucks. I forget how much but it was less than $100. I'll have specifics in my build thread when i start it.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Luke.moore on April 17, 2017, 08:14:18 PM
And all sizes frames in UD matt first batch production can be availble in 20 days, we still have some frames left and they can be preordered now

I don't need one, unfortunately. But I do know some that are in the market. I wish I could get one of them to buy one so I can try it for myself.

And for those that are curious to what bike it is similar too, I think I found one that is VERY close, the Santa Cruz Hightower. There may be others though. The difference is that this has 122mm of travel vs 135mm, and the bottom bracket is 6mm lower on the CS-FS27.

This bike looks great, but aside from portions of its geometry, is nothing like the Hightower.

Think long travel XC vs. Enduro sled.

Scott copied this frame and called it the Spark 700 Plus. Geometry is the same.  ;)
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: RS VR6 on April 18, 2017, 09:01:02 PM
That's a cool color. Reminds me of the Nogarro Blue on the Audi S4. Looking forward to seeing it built up.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Le Duke on May 06, 2017, 09:49:37 AM
And all sizes frames in UD matt first batch production can be availble in 20 days, we still have some frames left and they can be preordered now

I don't need one, unfortunately. But I do know some that are in the market. I wish I could get one of them to buy one so I can try it for myself.

And for those that are curious to what bike it is similar too, I think I found one that is VERY close, the Santa Cruz Hightower. There may be others though. The difference is that this has 122mm of travel vs 135mm, and the bottom bracket is 6mm lower on the CS-FS27.

This bike looks great, but aside from portions of its geometry, is nothing like the Hightower.

Think long travel XC vs. Enduro sled.

Scott copied this frame and called it the Spark 700 Plus. Geometry is the same.  ;)

Sit on a Spark, a 130mm/122mm bike, and a Hightower, a 150/135mm bike, and tell me they are the same. Then put power into the pedals. Completely different.

Numbers on a table are one thing, but the actual riding position, when shocks are set up properly, is very different. They share similar geometry, but ride nothing alike.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: bxcc on May 06, 2017, 06:09:38 PM
Numbers on a table are one thing, but the actual riding position, when shocks are set up properly, is very different. They share similar geometry, but ride nothing alike.

I don't disagree with the fact that they could ride completely different. But with new frames straight from china, geo numbers is all we have to go on. But out of curiosity, have you ridden all 3? If not, it's not a fair judgement to say that they ride nothing alike.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Luke.moore on May 06, 2017, 06:43:50 PM
Numbers on a table are one thing, but the actual riding position, when shocks are set up properly, is very different. They share similar geometry, but ride nothing alike.

I don't disagree with the fact that they could ride completely different. But with new frames straight from china, geo numbers is all we have to go on. But out of curiosity, have you ridden all 3? If not, it's not a fair judgement to say that they ride nothing alike.
If you want to know how this frame feels, there is an easy solution.  Go to lbs. Ask for Spark 700 plus series. Test ride. It is the same. I promise. Suspension tune may play into it a little but it is a spark 700 plus. Its a fun bike.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Le Duke on May 06, 2017, 07:38:08 PM
Just so we're clear, I'm not bagging on the Scott or the FS-27. I'm probably going to buy one soon.

If anything, I'm defending the Scott from being compared to a SC. Had two SCs. Big, fat waste of money.

I'd love a 130/122mm FS to compliment my Yeti ASRc. I have two frames from Peter already, four Chinese carbon in total. Been very pleased.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Luke.moore on May 06, 2017, 08:05:39 PM
Just so we're clear, I'm not bagging on the Scott or the FS-27. I'm probably going to buy one soon.

If anything, I'm defending the Scott from being compared to a SC. Had two SCs. Big, fat waste of money.

I'd love a 130/122mm FS to compliment my Yeti ASRc. I have two frames from Peter already, four Chinese carbon in total. Been very pleased.
I wasn't in any way speaking for or against SC or Scott. Nor was i speaking to your posts other than saying that if you want a really close comparison,  ride the spark.  This is my wife's ride.  My bikes come from the large volume brands or boutique'ish brands. That being said,  this build is fun.  That's all from me.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Le Duke on May 06, 2017, 09:15:59 PM
We've been talking past each other. And I've been unclear. Sorry.  :)

I've ridden the Spark. It's an awesome bike. That's why I'm considering the CS-FS27.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Luke.moore on May 06, 2017, 09:45:51 PM
We've been talking past each other. And I've been unclear. Sorry.  :)

I've ridden the Spark. It's an awesome bike. That's why I'm considering the CS-FS27.
;) Beers are good tonight! 
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: ReverendRockRazor on June 19, 2017, 06:07:06 PM
 I just bought this frame I will be running cane Creek dbinline.
Can someone please link me a source for all the mounting hardware bushings bolts etc that I will need?

 Or if someone knows a source for the fox shock that is stock on the spark that would be an option too.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: drummercat on June 21, 2017, 08:53:58 PM
I dont think a ccdb inline will work...the space between rocker link and seat tube is too close. The comp/ rebound adjustment assy will hit the frame I think.

The upper shock hardware is 8x22 , lower should be 8x50 but it supplied shims to use with 8x22 too. The 22mm hardware will bent the 50mm length 8mm inner shaft if you bottom out hard I think.

I just built mine yesterday....will post pics soon.

I just bought this frame I will be running cane Creek dbinline.
Can someone please link me a source for all the mounting hardware bushings bolts etc that I will need?

 Or if someone knows a source for the fox shock that is stock on the spark that would be an option too.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: drummercat on June 21, 2017, 09:07:47 PM
Here`s mine.

Frame: FS27 M size
Shock: fox ctd non kashima 2014 165x38
Fork: Rockshox reba 120mm 29er
Crank: Raceface Next SL G4 with blackspire 30t chainring.
Cassette: X01 11s
Shifter:X01 11s
Rear Derailuer: X01 11s
Wheels: sram roam 50 with wolftooth boostinator 148 adaptor
Tyres: specialized gc 2.1 front and schwalbe nobby nic 2.2 rear (both will be replaced to ikon 2.3 and 2.2. Soon)
Brakes : XTR m9000
Seatpost: Brand X ascend dropper 120mm
Bar: Crank Brothers Iodine 3 730mm 8mm rise flat top(as I remember it is)
Stem: Deda 65mm
Grip: foam grip.
Saddle: SDG Fly solid Ti rail
Pedal: Shimano SPD

My scale shows 24.97lb for the current setting, I have some carbon bars and will replace the CB alu bar soon, also considering Ti axle pedal too..... Hope it will be 24.5 finally.


Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Carbon_Dude on June 22, 2017, 06:05:27 AM
Looks nice!  Is there cable routing for a remote lockout for the rear shock?
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: drummercat on June 22, 2017, 07:58:31 AM
There are 2 holes under the shock, which is the routing for dropper seatpost I suppose. So there is no cable routing for lock out of rear shock I think. (The BB shell has no holes going up.) The 2 holes for dropper under the shock are not facing each other so its quite difficult to install. Finally I drill 1 extra hole 1 inch closer to the shock.
Also I open some more ports for fully internal routing of the rear brake.

Looks nice!  Is there cable routing for a remote lockout for the rear shock?
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: ReverendRockRazor on June 22, 2017, 12:15:07 PM
I dont think a ccdb inline will work...the space between rocker link and seat tube is too close. The comp/ rebound adjustment assy will hit the frame I think.
 Ok so if money isn't a consideration what is the best shock one could put on this bike? I value high small bump compliance and low breakaway force.
 This will also be a place keeper until the newer metric shocks are available to the public.
 I am hoping like hell that DVO makes something to fit this.
The upper shock hardware is 8x22 , lower should be 8x50 but it supplied shims to use with 8x22 too. The 22mm hardware will bent the 50mm length 8mm inner shaft if you bottom out hard I think.

I just built mine yesterday....will post pics soon.

I just bought this frame I will be running cane Creek dbinline.
Can someone please link me a source for all the mounting hardware bushings bolts etc that I will need?

 Or if someone knows a source for the fox shock that is stock on the spark that would be an option too.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: drummercat on June 23, 2017, 05:21:14 AM
Ok so if money isn't a consideration what is the best shock one could put on this bike? I value high small bump compliance and low breakaway force.
 This will also be a place keeper until the newer metric shocks are available to the public.
 I am hoping like hell that DVO makes something to fit this.


Sounds like you need anything with a big negative air chamber, like the rockshock debonair air the scott stock fox evoc shocks.....

I will ride this sunday to see how the smallest fox ctd shock performs....
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Polo7 on July 07, 2017, 01:36:50 PM
Hey guys,

Got the CS-FS27 27.5+ frame

I purchased the Roxshox Monarch rt3 165x38 shock.

I'm having  hard time finding the right Hardware (bushings) for the frame.

Can anyone help?
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Carbon_Dude on July 07, 2017, 01:46:29 PM
Which bushings?  If it's for the shock, you can measure the width you need and go to Jenson USA and order the correct one.  Another option is RWC http://www.enduroforkseals.com/id275.html and order needle bearings for the shock.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Polo7 on July 07, 2017, 03:08:21 PM
Thank you Carbon_Dude,

Looking for rear shock hardware (bushings)

Regards.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: ReverendRockRazor on July 11, 2017, 04:27:17 PM
 A minor update after emailing DVO about a future topaz that would fit the Scott Spark.. I received a text that ended with
"We do not have a Topaz that will fit the Spark yet..."

Is this enough for me to get excited about?
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: McFaker on July 12, 2017, 01:58:12 AM
Does anyone have a ride report yet?
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: McFaker on July 22, 2017, 12:37:03 AM
So Peter from carbon speed says the cable routing has been fixed on the cs-fs27, but didn't say anything about the caliper mounting. He quoted $740 including fees and shipping for the frame with headset and axle.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: acedeuce802 on July 23, 2017, 09:46:39 PM
So Peter from carbon speed says the cable routing has been fixed on the cs-fs27, but didn't say anything about the caliper mounting. He quoted $740 including fees and shipping for the frame with headset and axle.
Did he say what the actual change is?  Does the brake now run through the down tube?
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: McFaker on July 24, 2017, 10:12:47 AM
Email from Peter: "Current rear cable routing is from top tube through seat tube. Do you want us to change the rear cable routing from down tube through chainstay ?"

My reply: "Yes routing the rear break through the down tube to chainstay would be a much better designs. I would purchase the frame with this change. I know a lot of the people on chinertown agree this is a necessary change. Please let me know if it is possible. thank you. "

Peters reply: "Yes, it is possible, what size do you need the frame in ?"
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: ReverendRockRazor on July 24, 2017, 04:37:18 PM
 Would this shock work with this frame?

https://www.worldwidecyclery.com/products/rockshox-deluxe-rt3-rear-shock-165x42-5mm-trunnion-2017-giant-anthem?gclid=CjwKCAjwtdbLBRALEiwAm8pA5aRv32x5VgxDJfNKdMnC5o5ehtYgsfd_cQhZz3jy4VstIN2qgxc5mBoCjgUQAvD_BwE
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: foozball26 on July 31, 2017, 08:47:24 PM
Email from Peter: "Current rear cable routing is from top tube through seat tube. Do you want us to change the rear cable routing from down tube through chainstay ?"

My reply: "Yes routing the rear break through the down tube to chainstay would be a much better designs. I would purchase the frame with this change. I know a lot of the people on chinertown agree this is a necessary change. Please let me know if it is possible. thank you. "

Peters reply: "Yes, it is possible, what size do you need the frame in ?"

Any pictures of the new cable routing? I would much prefer the rear brake to run through the downtube and chainsaw similar to the derailleur.



Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: GuitsBoy on August 10, 2017, 02:28:49 PM
I'm taking the plunge with a build of my own.  Officially ordered a stock 19" FS27 from Peter last night.  Excited to see how the quality compares to the Flyxii hardtail I built a couple years back.  This will be my first foray into full suspension, so feel free to slap me around if anything looks amiss.

Anyway, Ill be replacing the On-One parkwood frame I am currently riding, and Ill most likely be adding a [temporary] X-fusion O2 RCX shock for the time being, at least until the 165x45 shocks become available.

Here's the build spec:

CarbonSpeed FS27
X-Fusion O2 RCX shock
X-Fusion Sweep with Roughcut HLR damper
Nextie Jungle Fox II 52mm (i45) carbon rims on BHS/Bitex Hubs (3mm spacers for 142 to 148)
Nobby Nic 2.8 front and rear
SRAM x1 crankset with Absolute Black oval 28T
SRAM X01 11 Speed shifter, GX derailleur
e*thirteen 9-46t TRSr cassette (511% range)
Shimano m785 xt brakes
Raceface SixC bars, 35mm stem, nashbar carbon post and FR1 saddle, xpedo spry pedals

My current hardtail is right around 26 lbs flat.  I expect the new FS rig to be right around the same.   I ride mostly tight twisty xc singletrack with the occasional rooty climb or descent, and a 2-3 foot drop here and there.  I have no problem getting behind the seat, so no dropper for now.

Not counting the cost of the old frame, this seems like it should be a lot of bike for having only $3K into it.  Any suggestions or tweaks?
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: foozball26 on August 11, 2017, 05:45:43 PM
You can get the 165x45mm shock from a few places now, but it is 165x42.5 for the Giant Anthem. Giant just reduced the travel from 45mm to 42.5mm

It's around $330, search for 165x42.5mm

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RockShox-Deluxe-RT3-Rear-Shock-165x42-5mm-Trunnion-2017-Giant-Anthem-/182635025198


Peter sent me some pictures of the new cable routing, which looks much better than the top tube style.

Images:
http://imgur.com/a/oUIdF
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: GuitsBoy on August 11, 2017, 05:58:28 PM
That does look good. Are they all being shipped with the new routing?

EDIT:  Spoke with Peter, and yes, they are all being shipped with routing through the bottom bracket now.  Good work everybody who helped to convince him to make the design change.  Thanks.

As for the shock, the RS RT3 doesnt look like a trunnion shock to me, although I guess it has integrated spacers making it the full body width, so myabe that counts.  The pictures Ive seen of proper trunnion shocks show the mounting holes going into the top of the air can / body of the shock.  Not just a wider mounting tab like the standard shocks have.  Either way, the point is moot from my perspective.  I'm anit-rockshox to the bone.  Ill keep waiting for more options.  Thanks for the info though.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: McFaker on August 12, 2017, 04:09:46 PM
That super delux is as good a shock as any for this bike. It'll also be a couple bills less than anything else.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: ReverendRockRazor on August 12, 2017, 04:52:39 PM
That does look good. Are they all being shipped with the new routing?

EDIT:  Spoke with Peter, and yes, they are all being shipped with routing through the bottom bracket now.  Good work everybody who helped to convince him to make the design change.  Thanks.

As for the shock, the RS RT3 doesnt look like a trunnion shock to me, although I guess it has integrated spacers making it the full body width, so myabe that counts.  The pictures Ive seen of proper trunnion shocks show the mounting holes going into the top of the air can / body of the shock.  Not just a wider mounting tab like the standard shocks have.  Either way, the point is moot from my perspective.  I'm anit-rockshox to the bone.  Ill keep waiting for more options.  Thanks for the info though.
The picture shown isn't nessasary the one you are buying.
Go look at a 2017 Anthem look how it is mounted that is what you are buying.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: ChrisCarbon on August 12, 2017, 05:18:24 PM
Will this shock work with the frame, can anyone confirm?

http://www.cycleservicenordic.com/en/product/rockshox-rear-damper-deluxe-rt3-mid-

Or will this work aswell:

http://www.cycleservicenordic.com/en/product/rear-suspension/rockshox-rear-damper-monarch-rt3-mid--00-4118-124-000



Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: GuitsBoy on August 12, 2017, 05:37:48 PM
The picture shown isn't nessasary the one you are buying.
Go look at a 2017 Anthem look how it is mounted that is what you are buying.
Yes, I did look up the anthem after posting, and youre probably right.  Different size shocks probably have different mount points but are all considered trunnion.   Searching that model shock all showed pics of the mounts past the body, but then anthem clearly shows the mounts ON the shock body.

Anyway, I didn't mean to say it was a poor shock in any way, its just the RockShox as a company is just not for me.  I love sram, but have always disliked RS forks, so I'm reluctant to try their shocks as well.  But in no way did I mean to imply it was a bad shock in any way.  I'm just going to wait for the size/technology to trickle down to the point end of season deals start popping up on XF or Fox shocks.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: McFaker on August 13, 2017, 06:02:20 PM
The trunnion design is singular universal mount, 50mm x 8mm I believe. The pic on the shock is just wrong. It happens a lot.

Does anyone know of another option besides the not yet available fox Dps?
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: GuitsBoy on August 26, 2017, 02:04:16 PM
FS27 Build
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: R_Pierce on August 26, 2017, 08:15:46 PM
FS27 Build

YES!!  Nice bro!
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: GuitsBoy on August 28, 2017, 06:55:49 AM
Has anybody actually successfully mounted the rockshox RCT3 deluxe 165x42.5 yet?   I have to return the x-fusion shock I bought due to non functioning rebound.   I'm softening my stance towards RS since there no other game in town for 120mm travel.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: R_Pierce on August 28, 2017, 11:52:37 AM
I dont think that shock is going to work like you want at your weight posted on MTBR.  I made the mistake of getting an RT3 and its trash in comparison to the Mcleod.  Was a waste of money.  I understand that Manitou doesnt make a 42.5 shock, but it might be worth calling them and asking if they will make a custom length.  I have that much faith in the McLeod....
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: ReverendRockRazor on August 28, 2017, 01:17:39 PM
Won't work. The trunnion bolts are 10mm the mount holes are 8mm. Even if they matched the air valve comes out the side and hits the mount.

That shock won't fit in there in any sort of way.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: ReverendRockRazor on August 28, 2017, 01:24:04 PM
Matter of fact unless someone comes out with a trunnion shock with 8mm mounts this frame will never have 120mm travel.
I did talk to dvo and they are coming out with an inline shock called the opal and they said it will have one to fit the Scott spark. But you will still likely have to enlarge the holes on the frame.
Which is why I am selling my frame.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: GuitsBoy on August 28, 2017, 01:58:39 PM
Thanks guys, from what I can tell, the Anthem shock was a bust due to the air filler valve location.  RS as a whole is not my favorite brand.  I like fox, but seems overpriced.  I like x-fusion, but not a full price either.  The manitou has been recommended over and over on various threads, so thats the direction I'm headed.  Seems like it could be a longer term shock than originally expected since its possible there wont be any trunnion shocks that fit. 
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: R_Pierce on August 28, 2017, 11:11:21 PM
Thanks guys, from what I can tell, the Anthem shock was a bust due to the air filler valve location.  RS as a whole is not my favorite brand.  I like fox, but seems overpriced.  I like x-fusion, but not a full price either.  The manitou has been recommended over and over on various threads, so thats the direction I'm headed.  Seems like it could be a longer term shock than originally expected since its possible there wont be any trunnion shocks that fit.

very good choice!!
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: GuitsBoy on September 22, 2017, 02:33:21 PM
Since it looks like trunnion mounted stocks are not going to be an option any time soon, if at all....

Has anyone considered using an offset/eccentric shock mount bushing to effectively shorten the shock side leverage of the pivot by 2mm?  I'm still trying to work out the actual numbers, but some rough guestimation puts it right around 107 mm travel.  Dropping to 6x22 hardware would allow for 110mm travel.  Sure its not the full 120, but for relatively little money, it gets you half way there.

Any thoughts or concerns about trying this?

https://www.offsetbushings.com/collections/all/products/offset-bushing

EDIT:
I decided to pick up some 1/2" round aluminum bar stock from amazon for $5.  I'm going to drill and tap a hole, as offset as possible to maximize the increase in travel.  I think I can get a little closer to the edge by bolting right into it, rather than drilling with a larger hole for the normal 8mm hardware to go through.  Hope that makes sense.

Anyway, if I get bored one rainy day, Ill see if I can fabricate something up.  Or I may just decide its not worth the aggravation for a measly 7 to 10 mm extra travel.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: ReverendRockRazor on September 25, 2017, 03:04:52 PM
Bent my 8x50 lower shock bolt anyone no where to get one at. It would be nice if it is stronger then original.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: GuitsBoy on September 25, 2017, 03:31:23 PM
Bent my 8x50 lower shock bolt anyone no where to get one at. It would be nice if it is stronger then original.

I ordered one from china...   I ordered m6 x 62, but I haven't test fit it yet.  I think I ordered it just a touch big, since they didn't have exact length.  I figured I could grind it down if necessary.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/M6-%CE%A68-29-33-45-50-56-70-78mm-bike-bicycle-Shock-absorbers-Lock-Bolts-Screw-nut/201357021728?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=500573777539&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649

Consider using this instead of the two spacers.  It should be much stronger.
https://365cycles.com/catalogsearch/result/?cat=0&q=RS1526

While you wait for the new bolt to come in, see if you can tap the old one back straight again.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: ChrisCarbon on October 18, 2017, 01:40:26 PM
Can anyone explain to me what will happen if I put a 184x44 shox on this, together with a 140mm fork?
Will it totaly ruin the geometry or what's gonna happen?
Only asking because I can get a new 184 shox for free..  :D
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: GuitsBoy on October 18, 2017, 01:44:00 PM
Can anyone explain to me what will happen if I put a 184x44 shox on this, together with a 140mm fork?
Will it totaly ruin the geometry or what's gonna happen?
Only asking because I can get a new 184 shox for free..  :D
It quite simply wont fit. 
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: ChrisCarbon on October 18, 2017, 02:37:33 PM
Can anyone explain to me what will happen if I put a 184x44 shox on this, together with a 140mm fork?
Will it totaly ruin the geometry or what's gonna happen?
Only asking because I can get a new 184 shox for free..  :D
It quite simply wont fit.

Oh, that easy huh? Thanks for the info  :)
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: GuitsBoy on October 18, 2017, 02:43:36 PM
I'm running a 140mm fork and I love it.  But youre definitely going to need to run a 165mm shock.  No way around that.  I'm running a manitou mcleod shock.  Its a steal at $239 from take a hike bike shop.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: ReverendRockRazor on October 19, 2017, 10:56:42 AM
I'm going to ask dvo to out a 45mm stroke on a eyelet opal when its released. Using offset bushing will take up 5mm of the extra 7mm the rest being 2mm taken up by suspension.
 I think it will work.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Peter60 on October 20, 2017, 05:29:00 PM
ReverendRockRazor can you give us your feedback and pics once you will have tested this 165X45mm shox with offset bushing?
I would install the same options with a Monarch XX to reach the 120 mm travel.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: GuitsBoy on October 21, 2017, 07:11:07 AM
I'm going to ask dvo to out a 45mm stroke on a eyelet opal when its released. Using offset bushing will take up 5mm of the extra 7mm the rest being 2mm taken up by suspension.
 I think it will work.
Just curious why you would attempt to take up stroke with an offset bushing when the frame supposedly can handle the full 45mm stroke?  The only trouble is finding 45mm stroke in a 165 eye to eye shock.  Once the trunnions come out, maybe we will have some luck.  But then we'll have to worry about the air fill fitment between the frames trunnion mount.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: ReverendRockRazor on October 21, 2017, 11:13:29 AM
If you put a 45mm stroke on a 165mm normal eyelet shock it becomes 172mm.
And by yht way worldwidecyclery now has fox trunnion 165/45 in stock. But you still will need to enlarge the bottom mount holes to 10mm. And hope the shock controls clear the bottom tube.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: R_Pierce on October 21, 2017, 11:42:14 PM
I'm running a 140mm fork and I love it.  But youre definitely going to need to run a 165mm shock.  No way around that.  I'm running a manitou mcleod shock.  Its a steal at $239 from take a hike bike shop.

Are you even noticing the 120mm rear travel?  Or can you tell its short on travel and would like more?  From reading about these newer geo shorter travel rear bikes, it sound like everyone says it feels like a 150 rear travel bike.  Curious to hear your thoughts on that.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: GuitsBoy on October 22, 2017, 07:20:02 AM
I'm running a 140mm fork and I love it.  But youre definitely going to need to run a 165mm shock.  No way around that.  I'm running a manitou mcleod shock.  Its a steal at $239 from take a hike bike shop.

Are you even noticing the 120mm rear travel?  Or can you tell its short on travel and would like more?  From reading about these newer geo shorter travel rear bikes, it sound like everyone says it feels like a 150 rear travel bike.  Curious to hear your thoughts on that.
Hard to say since this is my first full squish.  I would have to believe it is pretty noticeable, since the 38mm  travel equates to only 100mm travel in the back, not 120.  The travel and spring rates noticeably different, but some tweaking gets them as close as possible, IMO.  I'm running the shock at a little less pressure, with reduced volume to make the spring a bit more progressive.  I'm running 95 psi in the fork, and 190 in the rear.  Bumping it up to 200 feels a bit harsh.  190 still blows through nearly all  the travel, but I haven't felt it bottom out yet.  I'm running the compression at the second notch from open.  I have a tick over 300 miles on the setup so far, so Ill be able to further tune it as I get more used to it, but so far I love it.  Coming from a 140mm hardtail, the bike is certainly much more capable of plowing through chunk.  The few rock gardens and rooty sections we have around here are way easier to hold speed through.  But since I dont have anything to compare, its really hard to say.  I will say the bike climbs extremely well, and my climbs have actually improved over my hardtail times due to added traction.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: Peter60 on October 24, 2017, 04:55:34 PM
I would like to understand why a trunnion shox is not possible? I suppose a diameter 10mm metallic tube (8mm inner diameter) can be used to fit with the 10mm holes of the trunnion shox.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: rideczech on October 30, 2017, 06:01:14 AM
Anyone found any other 165x45mm shock option for this frame....?  :D
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: ReverendRockRazor on October 30, 2017, 09:53:18 AM
 You can get the McLeod at bike24 for 170$  shipped now. The fox 165/45 trunnion for 450$. Fox may fit with 8mm thread reducers. Looking at pictures of the dvo opal it looks like the air valve is on the drive side which means no way in hell the trunnion version will fit unless they make a spark specific version. And they may.
 That dbinline will not fit by the way. But I took a grinder to it and made it fit.
 One more thing this frame needs a very progressive shock to make it work right. What ever shock you are using put some volume reducers in it and you will see what I mean.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: GuitsBoy on October 30, 2017, 09:57:52 AM
You can get the McLeod at bike24 for 170$  shipped now.
  Thats a great price, but I'm showing 170 euro shipped, which is almost $200 USD.
Title: Re: Carbon Speed 2017 27.5 plus FS frame CS-FS27
Post by: rideczech on October 30, 2017, 02:58:05 PM
Bit of a shame to limit the frame to 100mm with the 38mm stroke shock...