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Chinese Carbon MTB => 29er => Topic started by: Rick64 on December 28, 2016, 04:27:36 PM
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Hi, I would really appreciate your help and advice please guys.
Has anyone put a 120mm fork on a China carbon hardtail with head angle geometry designed for 90mm fork. I would ideally like to use my existing Reba RTL.
Thanks in advanced
Richard
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Which frame? I have 100mm SID on my WW 062 that I plan to bump to 120mm this winter. So I have no real input at this point. ;D
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I run a 120mm recon on a cs-057. I trash on this bike like it's a trail bike and it keeps coming back for more.
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I'd like to build as light as possible so looking at Carbonspeed CS-041 or 256-SL in 17" or 17' 1/2. or Workswell WCB-M-062 WCB-M-096, what and who's frame do you recommend? I'm around 65kg and 5'-10" and want it for XC and light trail riding, I have a plate and 4 screws holding my lower back together so no big drop off's or jumps these days. Will use my Mavic Crossmax ST's and Sram GX 1-11. I'd like to get a frame around 1000g.
Thanks
Richard
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Hi Richard,
I did thousands of km with the 3 frames. My order of preference is:
041: stiff and extremely stable when hammering the pedals.
The 27.2 seatpost provides comfort for the higher part of the frame.
Definitely my preferred of the 3.
062: the most playful on more technical terrain.
But it flexes too much when sprinting.
It is now my backup bike.
256: It was my first Chinese bike. And it sits between the two above, stiff but easy to corner too.
Unfortunately I did fall with all my weight on it last year, and a seatstay broke in 3 pieces.
I think it was more bad luck than a construction issue. The seatstay of the 062 are as skinny as the 256.
A friend has a 256 for 2 years now, he likes it so much, he bought another one second hand here on the forum.
As you may guess it quickly gets subjective or about impressions.
One thing sure, is that whatever frame you buy of the 3, you will be happy :)
I'm 5'10" too, and took always Large, with my 89cm inseam a 17 would put my seat far to high.
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Hi Cabonazza
The alloy frame I currently run is very close to the 17" for dimensions. My inseam is 84cm so would leave another 40mm in the seat tube and I slam my stem on the head tube. In your experience how much exposed 400mm seat tube is recommended? I think there should be close to 200mm left in the tube on a 17".
Another point is what BB do you guys go for? I was thinking PF30 but my local bike shop seem to think this is foolish on a carbon china (their very anti carbon imports) Whats your preference for BB.
Thank again for the help and advice 8)
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Hi BXCC
How do you rate the WW062? Its a nice looking frame, Ive asked WW for a price on in but can't decide on BB PF30 Or BSA.... Does the weight saving of PF outweigh the convenience of BSA....The BSA looks more solid, I have both cranks at home but don't like the bearing pre load adjuster on my GX100 1x, the BSA GPX is so easy to maintain and change for the sake of 100g penalty.... Why are you wanting to change to 120mm, have you looked to see how it will change the angles on the frame.
Thanks
Rich
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How do you rate the WW062? Its a nice looking frame, Ive asked WW for a price on in but can't decide on BB PF30 Or BSA.... Does the weight saving of PF outweigh the convenience of BSA....The BSA looks more solid, I have both cranks at home but don't like the bearing pre load adjuster on my GX100 1x, the BSA GPX is so easy to maintain and change for the sake of 100g penalty.... Why are you wanting to change to 120mm, have you looked to see how it will change the angles on the frame.
I am really enjoying the frame and I don't have any issues at all with it. I bought mine from Sobatostore on eBay. I went with the BSA as it is just simpler to use. 5 out of 7 bikes in my house are BSA with Sram GXP cranks as I like to keep things simple. I'm not sure if one is really better than the other, it's just my preference.
I want to swap it to 120mm mainly because I want to try it. It only takes a $30 airshaft and since my fork will be apart anyway, I figured why not. Realistically, it's a single speed and the 70.5 head angle is fine for where I ride and how i ride this bike. It should just put the HA at 69.5 which is still ins't really slack.
For the price, I think this frame is tough to beat. The geometry with the shortish chain stays is super fun for a HT. I honestly like it so much more than I expected. And at $350, it isn't a huge amount if you don't completely like it. One warning though, resale on chinese carbon frames sucks. But if my math serves me right, loosing 100% of $350 is still a LOT less than losing 50% of $1900, which is about average for a name brand frame.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sobato-29er-Carbon-Fiber-Mountain-Bike-Frame-BSA-MTB-Bicycle-Carbon-Frames-17-/162091443484?hash=item25bd67251c:g:Wr0AAOSwnNBXUPTp
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I've never sold a bike, but that's a good way to look at it. If you lose 100% resale on the Chiner frame, you're still ahead after buying another Chiner frame :)
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How do you rate the WW062? Its a nice looking frame, Ive asked WW for a price on in but can't decide on BB PF30 Or BSA.... Does the weight saving of PF outweigh the convenience of BSA....The BSA looks more solid, I have both cranks at home but don't like the bearing pre load adjuster on my GX100 1x, the BSA GPX is so easy to maintain and change for the sake of 100g penalty.... Why are you wanting to change to 120mm, have you looked to see how it will change the angles on the frame.
I am really enjoying the frame and I don't have any issues at all with it. I bought mine from Sobatostore on eBay. I went with the BSA as it is just simpler to use. 5 out of 7 bikes in my house are BSA with Sram GXP cranks as I like to keep things simple. I'm not sure if one is really better than the other, it's just my preference.
I want to swap it to 120mm mainly because I want to try it. It only takes a $30 airshaft and since my fork will be apart anyway, I figured why not. Realistically, it's a single speed and the 70.5 head angle is fine for where I ride and how i ride this bike. It should just put the HA at 69.5 which is still ins't really slack.
For the price, I think this frame is tough to beat. The geometry with the shortish chain stays is super fun for a HT. I honestly like it so much more than I expected. And at $350, it isn't a huge amount if you don't completely like it. One warning though, resale on chinese carbon frames sucks. But if my math serves me right, loosing 100% of $350 is still a LOT less than losing 50% of $1900, which is about average for a name brand frame.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sobato-29er-Carbon-Fiber-Mountain-Bike-Frame-BSA-MTB-Bicycle-Carbon-Frames-17-/162091443484?hash=item25bd67251c:g:Wr0AAOSwnNBXUPTp
Hi hope you had a good New Year
I'm waiting to hear back from Sobatostore regarding a 17" 062 with BSA to see if they have one ready to ship, did yours come with 142mm axel or did you have to purchase separately? Its roughly $350 shipped too.
It will be interesting to see how your 062 sits with the 120mm, I'm trying to find out if I can drop my Reba RLT to 90mm.
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What year is your Reba? If you're not sure, look at the serial number. If I recall correctly, the first two is the week of the year, then there is a letter, than the 4 place is the year it was made. So 34T5XXXXXXX would be the 34th week of 2015.
And yes, mine came with 135qr dropouts, 142x12 dropouts and the 142 axle. It should come with the headset too. The headsets are cheap but mine has been holding up great.
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Thanks
Its 46T5XXXXXXX, Ive got a new Ritchey WCS headset on the fork so will reuse that! hopefully.... The only other purchase will have to be a 27.2 carbon seat post as my current frame is 31.6.
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So the Reba is relatively new then. That makes it easy. You just need a new airshaft and they run about $30. It should be about $50 in labor including an oil and seal change from a decent shop. Nashbar has a nice house brand carbon post for under $50. I have two of them and I prefer it's clamp better than the Chiner ones.
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Thanks Bxcc, sorry for late reply as I'm working away at the moment... Ill look into the airshaft.
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062 17" BSA frame ordered direct from Workswell today. $385 for frame and WSP006 400mm seatpost and shipping to UK.
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Awesome! You should be very happy with it. Keep us updated on the progress.
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Email from Candy today
Hi, dear Richard
No problem , i have helped you change the address..
for the delivery time, first i hope you can understand , this frame is very hot selling, We have no stock in our warehouse.so have to arrange the production, cuz now it is near coming to our chinese spring festival and we have a lot of oders need deal with timely , so your frame will be finish and arrange to EMS air shipping after finishing our holiday, maybeFebruary 10,now all chinese factory is very busy ,
so pls kindly understand and patiently wait .we are sure to send you high quality frames
Best regards
candy
I thought I'd ordered in time to avoid this delay! As long as I get a 100% perfect frame then a small delay is cool.
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That stinks, but EVERYTHING shuts down for Chinese New Year.
Well, everything that involves selling stuff to the West.
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Received an email from Candy at WorksWell with EMS tracking number stating my frame will be shipped today :D
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Frame arrived in the UK awaiting customs clearance today ;D 90mm Airshaft, shock oil, SRAM butter, carbon paste and olives/ferrels all arrived ready for the build"............. Any tips on the best build procedure greatly appreciated thanks......
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Picked up my 062 from Parcel Force this morning and paid the £56 import duty at 11am, bike finished apart from a few minor jobs..... Reba is currently 120mm travel and looks ok but I will change it to 90mm as I have the airshaft, really happy with the frame quality and service from WorksWell.... Routing the rear brake hose wasn't to difficult and shifter was run with full housing... Weight is 10.045 kg but will reduce that with carbon cranks and wheels at some point..... I could revert to s-works tyres and save 500g but I like my X-King and Race-King protection, tyres are run 2bliss on the Mavic CrossMax......
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Airshaft now changed to 90mm
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Cable routing
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Looks good Rick64!
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Thanks Carbon.........
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Changed my WCS carbon rizer 660mm bars to S-Works Prowes xc flat 720mm......... Feels better on the rollers and looks better, just need to find time and get out and ride this weekend!
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You 100% right about the frame flex on the 062 rear Carbonazza when laying the power down, all the independent reviews I've read also mention the flex on the genuine carbon frame....... Its not a problem for me as i don't race and its such a fun frame to ride.....
Hi Richard,
I did thousands of km with the 3 frames. My order of preference is:
041: stiff and extremely stable when hammering the pedals.
The 27.2 seatpost provides comfort for the higher part of the frame.
Definitely my preferred of the 3.
062: the most playful on more technical terrain.
But it flexes too much when sprinting.
It is now my backup bike.
256: It was my first Chinese bike. And it sits between the two above, stiff but easy to corner too.
Unfortunately I did fall with all my weight on it last year, and a seatstay broke in 3 pieces.
I think it was more bad luck than a construction issue. The seatstay of the 062 are as skinny as the 256.
A friend has a 256 for 2 years now, he likes it so much, he bought another one second hand here on the forum.
As you may guess it quickly gets subjective or about impressions.
One thing sure, is that whatever frame you buy of the 3, you will be happy :)
I'm 5'10" too, and took always Large, with my 89cm inseam a 17 would put my seat far to high.
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Dropping weight.
Upgraded cranks to X01 direct mount and dropped another 200g ;D
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Carbon cranks are always a nice upgrade!
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Yes they are. I'm a big fan of the Sram GXP cranksets. The carbon ones aren't as light as the RF Next cranksets but they can be found for almost half the price.
I finally got the SID bumped up to 120mm but I'm currently buried in snow so I won't be trying it out anytime soon.
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Good to hear you've got the 120mm in, I found it quite easy dropping mine to 90mm, did you install yourself?.... The 062 sits quite well and looks very trail with it bumped up, hope you get to ride it soon :D I was very tempted to get the RF Next SL 425g with a 28T, but I'm happy with the X01 at a good price.
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When I was geeking out on cranksets and comparing price vs weight, I found that I could get a carbon SRAM crankset for the same price as a RF Turbine but the weight was 100g lighter. The RF Next is another 100g lighter than the SRAM but also $200+ more. Now I have too many bikes with GXP cranksets to change now.
I have done the air shaft swap a couple of times on some Pikes, and yes it's relatively straightforward. My local bike shop has given me some amazing prices lately so this time I just let them do it.
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So I have 60 or 70 miles on the 062 setup as a SS with a 120 RS SID. So far I'm loving it. Handling has been great and the bike feels playful and fun. Not trail bike playful but more of a XC type of fun. I'm definitely glad I bumped it up to 120mm in the front.