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Chinese Carbon MTB => 29er => Topic started by: Klaster_1 on February 15, 2017, 08:42:43 AM

Title: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: Klaster_1 on February 15, 2017, 08:42:43 AM
This is my first 29er and full suspension bike, before that I was riding a meager Merida Matts TFS-100 2011. Not the first chinese frame (http://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,1090.msg12402.html#msg12402), though.

Build list (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VSs4fpCMdeyprIfcxefqJzcgb2gh3znI4IERou-u_PU/edit?usp=sharing). Main goal was to reuse most of components from Merida for now and upgrade some parts later. I also wanted to try wider internal rims and not to save any money on wheels, since these are pain in the ass to rebuild (can't reuse spokes or rims, low local resale chance). The target weight is sub 10kg, which I failed to achieve  :'(

It will take awhile to complete the build, some parts are still en route or not shipped/ordered. I'd especially appreciate your help with shock bushings.

So, the frame. The price was 660USD for frame, 15USD for headset and 185USD for shipment/fees. 845USD in total.

(http://i.imgur.com/kl3ZYqc.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/kl3ZYqc.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/HOM7Aeh.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/HOM7Aeh.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/tb490Av.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/tb490Av.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/uJdDQBX.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/uJdDQBX.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/2S3p4Fc.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/2S3p4Fc.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/dEUlFB9.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/dEUlFB9.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/NN2y5KS.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/NN2y5KS.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/fcGeoSM.jpg) (http://"http://i.imgur.com/fcGeoSM.jpg")

Some notes:

And a bit about wheels:

(http://i.imgur.com/vogGQ4M.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/vogGQ4M.jpg)

Considering I'm not that heavy at about 65kg and no rough trails, I hope 28 spokes will be more than enough. The rims are interesting, Carbonfan Bicycle lists (http://www.carbonbicycle.cc/proshow.php?cid=77&tid=8&id=207) these as designed for AM use. I've contacted them about making a pair at lower range of claimed 400±15g, which they agreed to. Both rims turned out at ~375g. Complete wheelset weights 1280g. With narrower rims you could easily do a sub-1200g combo.
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: adbl on February 15, 2017, 10:54:19 AM
Interesting build! I've been contemplating building one of these for a while now. I'll be interested in how it turns out and what you think of the performance. I'm most curious about the pedaling efficiency.
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: carbonazza on February 17, 2017, 06:37:33 AM
Both rims turned out at ~375g. Complete wheelset weights 1280g. With narrower rims you could easily do a sub-1200g combo.
Nice light wheels. Some questions :)
What width are your rims?
Is it the first time you use Extralite hubs?
And finally what spokes did you use?
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: Klaster_1 on February 17, 2017, 06:45:27 AM
What width are your rims?
35mm external, 29mm internal, hookless.
Is it the first time you use Extralite hubs?
Yup.
And finally what spokes did you use?
Pillar PSR X-TRA 1420.

You can check out complete build list with weights, prices and notes here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VSs4fpCMdeyprIfcxefqJzcgb2gh3znI4IERou-u_PU/edit?usp=sharing).
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: xcfreak on February 17, 2017, 03:15:43 PM
Awesome, I am also looking at this frame, looking forward to see how this comes together!

Good Luck!
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: Klaster_1 on February 20, 2017, 11:14:06 AM
Meanwhile, I've decided put rear tire on to see how everything looks together. Thunder Burt 2.2" didn't require levers at all, but was still too loose in order to seat with track pump. After some muscling, I've managed to pull the tire on about half the bead on both sides, which finally allowed to pump air. It measures 54mm on a 29mm inner rim, that's 4mm short of 2.2". Seatstay clearance is about 13mm in every direction, maybe a bit less at chainstays. Claimed 2.3" clearances seems about right, I guess tires up to 60mm should be fine. I'll post tomorrow about air loss without sealant.

I've also ordered more stuff:

(http://i.imgur.com/6JQyqUo.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/6JQyqUo.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/eIQZxHq.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/eIQZxHq.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/UfPfzGo.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/UfPfzGo.jpg)
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: carbonazza on February 21, 2017, 03:26:15 AM
Next time, you can try this less muscular trick: inflate a tube inside the tire (not mounted) for a few hours or the night before.
The tire takes a better, more rounded shape.
Then put it on, and hear this nice double pop come much more easily.

Another advice is to use a removable-core valve.
Once the tire is inflated and beaded, unscrew the core and inject the fluid with a 60ml syringe.
It helps too, when refilling every couple of months or so.
It is clean and keep the fluid inside the tire only :)
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: MTB2223 on February 21, 2017, 09:25:38 AM
Then put it on, and hear this nice double pop come much easier.
And to hear this nice double pop a little bit quicker, spray your tire sides with soapy water. It will pops quicker and with less tire pressure.
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: Polo7 on February 21, 2017, 01:10:19 PM
Hey Klaster_1,

"...One RWC needle kit in 22.2mm for rocker arm shock eyelet. Didn't decide about frame one, but probably something Fox-style."

Very interested in the rear shock you select/purchase for this frame. 
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: xcfreak on February 21, 2017, 03:33:11 PM


Would it be possible to see a picture of these bearings when you install the shock, I am a little confused about what is included in the frame purchase, and what additional hardware is required for mounting the rear shock.
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: RS VR6 on February 21, 2017, 04:25:09 PM
That's some good stretch on those tires. :o
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: Klaster_1 on February 21, 2017, 08:05:31 PM
Next time, you can try this less muscular trick: inflate a tube inside the tire (not mounted) for a few hours or the night before.
Interesting advice, never heard this one before. Will a 26 tube fit? I didn't buy any 29 tubes yet.

Another advice is to use a removable-core valve.
And to hear this nice double pop a little bit quicker, spray your tire sides with soapy water. It will pops quicker and with less tire pressure.
Yeah, that's what I usually do, but decided to try everything dry to save time. Btw, the tire did stay inflated first night, then at 20h mark it lost the pressure. I hope there aren't any leaks sealant won't fix.

Very interested in the rear shock you select/purchase for this frame. 
Nothing special, I went with a reasonably priced Manitou Radium Pro. It came with two DU bushings preinstalled.

Would it be possible to see a picture of these bearings when you install the shock, I am a little confused about what is included in the frame purchase, and what additional hardware is required for mounting the rear shock.
Sure, I'll post more updates when new items arrive. It will take at least several weeks for RWC bearings. The frame includes only two binding posts (see photo in OP), you have to get two shock mounting kits, exact items depend on what your shock of choice comes with.
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: Charly42 on February 26, 2017, 08:11:03 AM
hi klaster

i'm french and, on a french forum, a men have the same frame(19"), but he have a problem with this frame :
on big jump, or if the rear shock have 0 air the little  reinforcement on the rear come to touch the seat tube!!!!! if big jump, it's possible bracke the frame...

more information on this forum(french) http://light-bikes.fr/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=1020 (16 post).

do you have same problem? maybe look that (with 0 bar on your rear shock).

thanks for help

charly
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: carbonazza on February 26, 2017, 12:10:19 PM
Next time, you can try this less muscular trick: inflate a tube inside the tire (not mounted) for a few hours or the night before.
Interesting advice, never heard this one before. Will a 26 tube fit? I didn't buy any 29 tubes yet.

Not sure a 26" tube will be big enough, but it is easy to try.
The over-inflated tube will look ugly for sure :)
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: MickeF on February 26, 2017, 04:00:21 PM
hi klaster

i'm french and, on a french forum, a men have the same frame(19"), but he have a problem with this frame :
on big jump, or if the rear shock have 0 air the little  reinforcement on the rear come to touch the seat tube!!!!! if big jump, it's possible bracke the frame...

more information on this forum(french) http://light-bikes.fr/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=1020 (16 post).

do you have same problem? maybe look that (with 0 bar on your rear shock).

thanks for help

charly

Hi,
is it possible that he's using a shorter shock?, e.g. 152 mm instead of the required 165/38mm?
/Micke
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: Klaster_1 on February 27, 2017, 08:22:06 AM
do you have same problem? maybe look that (with 0 bar on your rear shock).
I did not put the shock on yet due to missing mounting kits, so can't say for sure. What I can share though might sound both suspicous and reassuring. Without shock, the bridge comes to about 3cm of seattube easily. Then frame starts to resist further compression, but it's possible to make the bridge touch the seat tube, yes. It takes about 7.5kg on pocket scale attached to the rear axle, pulling in direction of shock. I will check everything again when mounts arrive. If problem persists, I'll think about shock spacer. Maybe an offset shock mount can help too?

Charly, while at it, can you ask guys from that thread about what width shock mount hardware they went with?
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: MickeF on February 27, 2017, 09:59:27 AM
do you have same problem? maybe look that (with 0 bar on your rear shock).
I did not put the shock on yet due to missing mounting kits, so can't say for sure. What I can share though might sound both suspicous and reassuring. Without shock, the bridge comes to about 3cm of seattube easily. Then frame starts to resist further compression, but it's possible to make the bridge touch the seat tube, yes. It takes about 7.5kg on pocket scale attached to the rear axle, pulling in direction of shock. I will check everything again when mounts arrive. If problem persists, I'll think about shock spacer. Maybe an offset shock mount can help too?

Charly, while at it, can you ask guys from that thread about what width shock mount hardware they went with?

Dengfu states a shock "165/38", so isn't that 38mm the max travel for the bridge, before the shock bottoms out?

Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: Klaster_1 on March 02, 2017, 07:27:14 AM
Some stuff has arrived this week. Unfortunately, fork and pedals keep getting delayed time after time, b-c.de estimates are well into May now. I think I'll put these stem bolts on my road bike, these are 2g lighter!
(http://i.imgur.com/wKvJZ6Y.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/wKvJZ6Y.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/F8mRYWm.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/F8mRYWm.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/aUgpMLv.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/aUgpMLv.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/IQJNCb9.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/IQJNCb9.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/h76HvWJ.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/h76HvWJ.jpg)
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: steven-iam on March 02, 2017, 10:12:52 AM
Hello fellow Chinertowners.

I'm new to the site, so please excuse me for any lack of etiquette.

I'm very excited to have ordered the DengFu M06 last week. I'll be using the parts from my Scalpel Carbon Team. I purchased a Monarch XX 165/38,  a "Lefty For All" conversion Kit , SRAM  BB92 GXP Team Bottom Bracket and a SRAM XX1 GXP Crankset. I bought the headset bearings from Deng Fu. I'm hoping some one can help me with specifications for the following parts:
1. Pivot Bearing Sizes for a Monarch xx
2. Sex Bolts for the rear Monarch XX shock
3. Rear Disc Brake adapter
I asked Dengfu about the bushings and they could only send me this picture, it falls between the standard 21.85mm and the 22.2mm sizes from RWC. Also, will I notice a change in stiffness?
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: Charly42 on March 02, 2017, 11:37:59 AM
hi klaster

i'm french and, on a french forum, a men have the same frame(19"), but he have a problem with this frame :
on big jump, or if the rear shock have 0 air the little  reinforcement on the rear come to touch the seat tube!!!!! if big jump, it's possible bracke the frame...

more information on this forum(french) http://light-bikes.fr/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=1020 (16 post).

do you have same problem? maybe look that (with 0 bar on your rear shock).

thanks for help

charly

Hi,
is it possible that he's using a shorter shock?, e.g. 152 mm instead of the required 165/38mm?
/Micke

Hi , no . it's ok he have a 165*38.
A other men in france have the same problem with this frame but in size 15.5".... .
I have send, with the other men in france amessage to dengfu. Normaly, i have a reponse this WE.
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: MickeF on March 03, 2017, 05:22:23 AM
hi klaster

i'm french and, on a french forum, a men have the same frame(19"), but he have a problem with this frame...


Hi,
is it possible that he's using a shorter shock?, e.g. 152 mm instead of the required 165/38mm?
/Micke

Hi , no . it's ok he have a 165*38.
A other men in france have the same problem with this frame but in size 15.5".... .
I have send, with the other men in france amessage to dengfu. Normaly, i have a reponse this WE.

Can someone with the frame measure the distance "X", from bridge to seat post when the distance between shock eyelet is 165 mm?
X should be more then 38 mm...

Se picture:

Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: Klaster_1 on March 03, 2017, 06:15:28 AM
Can someone with the frame measure the distance "X", from bridge to seat post when the distance between shock eyelet is 165 mm?
X should be more then 38 mm...
About 43mm with a stock 163mm spacer installed, measured along seatstays just like on picture. Should be a couple mm more with a proper shock.
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: MickeF on March 03, 2017, 06:28:25 AM
Can someone with the frame measure the distance "X", from bridge to seat post when the distance between shock eyelet is 165 mm?
X should be more then 38 mm...
About 43mm with a stock 163mm spacer installed, measured along seatstays just like on picture. Should be a couple mm more with a proper shock.

Then it shouldn't be a problem, even if the linkage shortens the distance some.
Thank's! for sharing!
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: Charly42 on March 03, 2017, 09:50:49 AM
Ok thank's all.

For your information , Dengfu reply me :
Quote
Hello Charly,
After tested, M06 frame have the problem which you saw on the forum, except the size of 17.5''. The mould has been adjusted, pls find the drawing in attachment.
Don't worry about this, we will not supply any quality issue frames.

and the pictures attachement from dengfu :
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: steven-iam on March 03, 2017, 08:38:14 PM
It's interesting that the picture depicts the shock installed backwards
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: Klaster_1 on March 03, 2017, 10:08:17 PM
For your information , Dengfu reply me :
Quote
Hello Charly,
After tested, M06 frame have the problem which you saw on the forum, except the size of 17.5''. The mould has been adjusted, pls find the drawing in attachment.
Don't worry about this, we will not supply any quality issue frames.
That's confusing. Did I understand it right that all frames shipped prior to quoted reply, except for 17.5" size, had seatstay bridge / seat tube clearance design issue?
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: jaytee on March 05, 2017, 03:16:50 AM
hi klaster

i'm french and, on a french forum, a men have the same frame(19"), but he have a problem with this frame...


Hi,
is it possible that he's using a shorter shock?, e.g. 152 mm instead of the required 165/38mm?
/Micke

Hi , no . it's ok he have a 165*38.
A other men in france have the same problem with this frame but in size 15.5".... .
I have send, with the other men in france amessage to dengfu. Normaly, i have a reponse this WE.

Can someone with the frame measure the distance "X", from bridge to seat post when the distance between shock eyelet is 165 mm?
X should be more then 38 mm...

Se picture:

I have just bought a 17.5 M06  fitted  a 2017 Fox 165x38....... measured with shock fitted have about 56mm of travel so it should be fine.
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: Klaster_1 on March 05, 2017, 04:55:39 AM
I have just bought a 17.5 M06  fitted  a 2017 Fox 165x38....... measured with shock fitted have about 56mm of travel so it should be fine.
What mounting hardware width did you use?
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: xcfreak on March 05, 2017, 03:50:08 PM
For your information , Dengfu reply me :
Quote
Hello Charly,
After tested, M06 frame have the problem which you saw on the forum, except the size of 17.5''. The mould has been adjusted, pls find the drawing in attachment.
Don't worry about this, we will not supply any quality issue frames.
That's confusing. Did I understand it right that all frames shipped prior to quoted reply, except for 17.5" size, had seatstay bridge / seat tube clearance design issue?

This is quite alarming, the message essentially reads they had issues with moulds apart from the 17.5". Then they go on to say, not to worry as they wont ship out frames with quality issues, obviously not the case as there have been reports of people getting these frames... Klaster, what frame size do you have?
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: steven-iam on March 05, 2017, 05:07:05 PM
...First attempt to measure shock mount points gave ~21.3mm for front and ~21.6-21.8 for rear. I'll try to measure again later.
HI Klaster_1,

Do the RWC 22.2 on your build list fit? I sent Deng Fu's Picture showing their measurement of 21.94 to Chris at RWC. They suggested using the RWC 21.85 version. Since the way their spacers compress on the bushing, it will be a good fit.

Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: Klaster_1 on March 05, 2017, 08:38:59 PM
Do the RWC 22.2 on your build list fit? I sent Deng Fu's Picture showing their measurement of 21.94 to Chris at RWC. They suggested using the RWC 21.85 version. Since the way their spacers compress on the bushing, it will be good fit.
No idea, it wil take a while to arrive. I was planning to either grind spacers down a bit with a help of machinist friend or send kit back for replacement.


This is quite alarming, the message essentially reads they had issues with moulds apart from the 17.5". Then they go on to say, not to worry as they wont ship out frames with quality issues, obviously not the case as there have been reports of people getting these frames... Klaster, what frame size do you have?
The frame is 19". During weeking I've sent a message to Dengfu in order to confirm if my 19" has the issue.
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: jaytee on March 06, 2017, 04:56:30 AM
I have just bought a 17.5 M06  fitted  a 2017 Fox 165x38....... measured with shock fitted have about 56mm of travel so it should be fine.
What mounting hardware width did you use?

I bought this shock from Chain Reaction and the standard bushes fitted to the shock were the correct size.

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/au/en/fox-suspension-float-dps-a-rear-shock-2016/rp-prod155132

Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: jaytee on March 06, 2017, 05:12:31 AM
I have just bought a 17.5 M06  fitted  a 2017 Fox 165x38....... measured with shock fitted have about 56mm of travel so it should be fine.
What mounting hardware width did you use?

I bought this shock from Chain Reaction and the standard bushes fitted to the shock were the correct size.

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/au/en/fox-suspension-float-dps-a-rear-shock-2016/rp-prod155132
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: steven-iam on March 06, 2017, 08:05:42 AM
I bought this shock from Chain Reaction and the standard bushes fitted to the shock were the correct size.
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/au/en/fox-suspension-float-dps-a-rear-shock-2016/rp-prod155132
That's great news. Thank you Jaytee.
I ended up buying the RWC 21.85mm. I ordered a Rock Shox Monarch xx w/ remote lockout from Walmart.com ($230).
https://www.walmart.com/ip/RockShox-Monarch-XX-Shock-6-5-x-1-5/171913683 (https://www.walmart.com/ip/RockShox-Monarch-XX-Shock-6-5-x-1-5/171913683) (also on ebay from same supplier)

FYI, Kelsey at Deng Fu informed me that they only supply one 8mm shock pivot bolt, so I ordered a second for $6, along with an extra Thru-Axle for $10 and a couple extra Derailleur hangers in case they are hard to find.

I ordered the bike with a custom logo which takes an extra 15 days, so I still have another week before they ship. Their website says it can take up to a month for delivery.
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: jaytee on March 06, 2017, 04:15:32 PM
I bought this shock from Chain Reaction and the standard bushes fitted to the shock were the correct size.
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/au/en/fox-suspension-float-dps-a-rear-shock-2016/rp-prod155132
That's great news. Thank you Jaytee.
I ended up buying the RWC 21.85mm. I ordered a Rock Shox Monarch xx w/ remote lockout from Walmart.com ($230).
https://www.walmart.com/ip/RockShox-Monarch-XX-Shock-6-5-x-1-5/171913683 (https://www.walmart.com/ip/RockShox-Monarch-XX-Shock-6-5-x-1-5/171913683) (also on ebay from same supplier)

FYI, Kelsey at Deng Fu informed me that they only supply one 8mm shock pivot bolt, so I ordered a second for $6, along with an extra Thru-Axle for $10 and a couple extra Derailleur hangers in case they are hard to find.

I ordered the bike with a custom logo which takes an extra 15 days, so I still have another week before they ship. Their website says it can take up to a month for delivery.

Interesting mine came with 2 shock bolts. I wish i was told the through axle bolt didn't come with the frame I'll have to find one now.

The only problem i can see with the frame is they have positioned bottle cage too far up the down tube. A bottle won't fit under the shock and if i turn the shock around i cant use the remote.
i see from previous drawing on here, dengfu have the cage bolt hole drilled a 180 from the BB which would work ok........my frame is drilled at 225mm which is useless. :'(
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: maui400 on March 07, 2017, 08:32:00 AM
The only problem i can see with the frame is they have positioned bottle cage too far up the down tube. A bottle won't fit under the shock and if i turn the shock around i cant use the remote.
i see from previous drawing on here, dengfu have the cage bolt hole drilled a 180 from the BB which would work ok........my frame is drilled at 225mm which is useless. :'(

Wow, that's big issue. A xc bike without bottle cage is next to useless. Did you confront them with this error? Normally they should replace that frame. Would be a test to check the real customer friendliness.
As a fallback it should be possible to use a cage with straps. 
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: steven-iam on March 07, 2017, 11:06:05 AM
... bottle won't fit under the shock...

...A xc bike without bottle cage is next to useless.
I brought this up with Kelsey at Deng Fu. Here is her response. "We already solve this problem, don't worry about this." So future shipments should be good.

Jaytee, It seems like it would be a pain to send your bike back. I bet if you ask them, they will make a custom bottle cage that will have the mounting holes closer to the top (or drill them yourself). I had to do that with my Scalpel's bottle cage.


Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: MickeF on March 08, 2017, 03:58:51 PM
Hi, I got my frame today!

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3889/33201861401_45f0b2766d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/SzWdEe)


More here: https://flic.kr/s/aHskQzyWJk

Size: 17.5
Color: "Pantone 431 c" (Painted by Dengfu)
Weight frame: 2030 gram

Fork: Fox 32 factory fit4. (Color: Very very green!)

More parts - and pictures - to come!
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: jaytee on March 09, 2017, 02:48:53 AM
Looks great will the green Fox forx.
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: adbl on March 09, 2017, 09:40:06 AM
Looks great so far! I'm interested in keeping up with your build as i am contemplating building one myself  ::)

Please keep us posted as to your thoughts on the ride when your're finished. I know a lot of us on here wonder about Chiner attempts at implementing contemporary designs into their frames. Are they the real deal with new geometry designs or just a wannabe?
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: maui400 on March 09, 2017, 11:27:17 AM
Hi, I got my frame today!
...
More parts - and pictures - to come!

Awesome! I'm also interested in this frame. What about making your own build thread?
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: MickeF on March 11, 2017, 11:39:21 AM
(deleted, will start own thread).
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: MickeF on March 11, 2017, 05:52:03 PM
Awesome! I'm also interested in this frame. What about making your own build thread?

Yep, here it is: http://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,1174.0.html
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: Klaster_1 on March 20, 2017, 08:54:10 AM
Meanwhile, I've got a rear axle lock nut machined by a friendly neightbor, weights 4g. Hopefully it will hold up.
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: maui400 on March 21, 2017, 01:53:49 PM
I would eloxadize it. Otherwise it might soon start to corrode. Especially in combination with carbon.
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: Klaster_1 on March 22, 2017, 09:25:22 AM
I would eloxadize it. Otherwise it might soon start to corrode. Especially in combination with carbon.
A reasonable idea, but lock nut will have contact only with aluminium axle and hanger. I'll see what can be done, mostly because black/red would look better.

By the way, a 22.2mm needle shock mount kit from RWC arrived today. The width was spot-on for rocker arm, inner bearing race does not have any lateral movement when put between eyelets. Using the same method I've checked front eyelet clearance and 22.2 doesn't fit at all, looks like I'll have to order 21.85 or even 21.4 kit. Oh, and rear binding post is officially too long by about 0.7mm, gonna grind it down.
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: carbonazza on March 22, 2017, 11:49:18 AM
Meanwhile, I've got a rear axle lock nut machined by a friendly neightbor, weights 4g. Hopefully it will hold up.
I'd like a friendly neighbour like this too :)
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: Klaster_1 on April 19, 2017, 07:58:46 AM
A small update to keep thread afloat.

Fox shock mount kit was delivered a couple of weeks ago, too bad seller did not cut it to specified length (21.4) due to "22.2 surely is the width that your frame accepts". Well, that's understandable, my frame has something shady going on for sure, given consistently smooth experience from fellow M06 users regarding eyelet distance. Maybe an early version? Anyway, I'll have to grind it down.

Polymer bushes were too tight too, had to sandpaper outer surface a bit, now pin sits semi-tight. How tight it should be, though? I can rotate it by hand, but not as freely when out of shock eyelet or compared to RWC needle bearing.

Remember one of binding post being too long? I've underestimated how much, at least a couple of mm had to go away.

Also got a pair of black Formula R1R, the build will be sub-10kg after all. The stoppers look great too.
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: steven-iam on April 19, 2017, 08:28:29 AM
Hi Klaster_1
I sent this picture Kelsey at DengFu sent me to RWC. RWC spec'd 21.85. They were spot on. I did have to file the bushings down a little to make it tight. See my build story at http://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,1186.0.html .

Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: Klaster_1 on April 27, 2017, 08:34:11 AM
Finally sorted out the shock mounts situation. Front Fox pin had to be ground down to 21.5mm, now it fits super snagly. Still waiting for fork and rim tape to arrive. There will be another new weenie part, but let's keep it secret for now ;)


Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: Klaster_1 on May 04, 2017, 09:03:57 PM
Almost there! When rim tape arrives in a few days, I'll have everything for a draft build. Remaining parts are Darimo bars and Xshifter.
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: charlesrg on May 04, 2017, 10:20:11 PM
Did you also noticed the rear axle space is out of spec ? Mine is super wide, 146mm instead of the standard 142.
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: Klaster_1 on May 05, 2017, 12:11:46 AM
Did you also noticed the rear axle space is out of spec ? Mine is super wide, 146mm instead of the standard 142.
Not sure what you mean. A 142 hub fits nicely, no issue with e-thru axle as well. Did you measure it without wheel?
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: charlesrg on May 05, 2017, 03:25:24 PM
Rear wheel axle is bigger than it should be. See the attached picture.
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: steven-iam on May 05, 2017, 03:57:03 PM
Hi Charlesrg,

I'm trying to understand the problem.

The frame has some flex. Is it that you can't spread the frame apart to accommodate the hub? Or you can't tighten the rear thru-axle because it is too long and you cannot place extra washers to take up the slack?

It seems if the thru-axle is too long, than it is your hub that is too narrow. What kind of hub do you have? My DT-Swiss was fine.

I had to place a spacer in mine so I could adjust the bear brakes. (see my build)

Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: charlesrg on May 05, 2017, 04:53:58 PM
Hi Charlesrg,

I'm trying to understand the problem.

The frame has some flex. Is it that you can't spread the frame apart to accommodate the hub? Or you can't tighten the rear thru-axle because it is too long and you cannot place extra washers to take up the slack?

It seems if the thru-axle is too long, than it is your hub that is too narrow. What kind of hub do you have? My DT-Swiss was fine.

I had to place a spacer in mine so I could adjust the bear brakes. (see my build)

I should not have to spread neither press the frame. The specs is for 142mm with + or - 1.5mm. Mine is 146. It's beyond the spec and I would consider a manufacturer defect. It causes issues with brake , chain line and Derailleur alignment.
I'm trying to see if they can replace the rear triangle.

My IP036 did not have this issue.
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: steven-iam on May 05, 2017, 05:38:39 PM
So sorry to hear that. . From everything I have read about Deng-Fu, yours is the first real problem, all others were just minor issues like bottle cage holes.

Keep us posted.
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: Klaster_1 on May 09, 2017, 01:13:11 AM
BB30 cranks in BB92 - done.
Tubeless setup - done.
Cranks debadging - done.
Brakes - in progress. Rear brake hose uses zip ties for now, but I plan to cut and route everyhting sooner or later.

When weather gets better I'll try the ride.
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: Midwest-MTBer on May 09, 2017, 08:10:17 AM
Looks really good! I'm really curious how this frame compares to the 036.
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: charlesrg on May 09, 2017, 08:22:41 PM
Looks really good! I'm really curious how this frame compares to the 036.
Definitely an upgrade in terms of linkage. The geometry is very different, two different beasts.
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: Midwest-MTBer on May 09, 2017, 11:43:26 PM
Looks really good! I'm really curious how this frame compares to the 036.
Definitely an upgrade in terms of linkage. The geometry is very different, two different beasts.

When you finish your build and feel like you know the bike, I'd be really interested in a thread comparing them. Not only the geometry, but ride quality too!
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: steven-iam on May 10, 2017, 06:21:14 AM
BB30 cranks in BB92 - done.
what adapter did you use to fit a BB30 crank?
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: dementia on May 10, 2017, 06:25:11 AM
I don't know how to have a correct feedback with a Thunder Burt as front tyre ...
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: charlesrg on May 10, 2017, 08:45:02 AM
Looks really good! I'm really curious how this frame compares to the 036.
Definitely an upgrade in terms of linkage. The geometry is very different, two different beasts.

When you finish your build and feel like you know the bike, I'd be really interested in a thread comparing them. Not only the geometry, but ride quality too!

I already finished the build. Already tried it. I've 057 and a M06 now. I took the parts of the 036 to build the m06. I posted the picture already.
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: Klaster_1 on May 10, 2017, 11:20:24 AM
Well, it works and feels way smoother than 26" hardtail, more stable. Housings in BB area held in place without hot glue trick. Tomorrow I'll to ride in a more hilly area, but TB didn't cause any troubles on relatively flat hardpack, not much of gravel / sand to make opinion on that.

what adapter did you use to fit a BB30 crank?
RaceFace BB92 30mm cinch bottom bracket. From my experience, BSA30 cranks tend to include a wavy washer, at least my Vumaquad did. With no way to source one, I first checked if cranks fit without BB "seals", which it did. Given the seals are actually more of T-shaped plastic washers, no resin like on Rotor BSA30 counterpart, I just sanded them until crank was snug and didn't bind bearings when torqued. You can actually grind non-driveside spacer as much as you need, because nds crankarm collar to spindle interface has similar diameter and will fit into inner race surface nicely. Maybe add some material with hot glue to shorten the gap.
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: Klaster_1 on July 28, 2017, 10:05:47 AM
Sorry for abysmal quality, but I figured these were better than nothing. Maybe I'll have a better phone camera next time something changes on the bike.


Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: adbl on July 28, 2017, 12:23:57 PM
Very nice!!!
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: Klaster_1 on August 13, 2017, 03:09:15 AM
Last weekend ride turned out to be super messy: rain, dirt, more rain and clay, which got everywhere. I've been cleaning bike on and off for a whole week. Suspension linkages had to be checked and cleaned too, somewhat scary the first time you do it! Here's some photos other M06 owners might be interested in: rocker arm area without rocker arm
 (https://drive.google.com/open?id=10FcputAPyqfEkF-rh5PYaOD_mdF1UbBBIQ), same from another point (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1O1z3IYyJykJ7OZLUR0hWdaR3b1zNpkjPAg), rocker arm scale shot (229g) (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1JI3rF8WYiyL5fA7XGoDEeU6QZ8GDDneWjQ), rocker arm inner side (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1anjctPl8m5Jxo-4SXVkNIa_6sYmrmzYCgA), bottom pivot bearing (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1e_BEj2PJ4HPkjjjRfFEtB_fcow9NyUGxYQ), chainstay clay scars (https://drive.google.com/open?id=151VSaQQJy7kd5lYzAidKa71CGXyrvY5MDQ), bottom bracket clay/chain drop scars (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1KI1V_KuzUbuNShmrD3oFXb3IWFdQ-NVwag), bottom pivot area before cleaning (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1_I5kpFarmUaZFgzm38xX0OnH9r1c73AUGg), bottom pivot axle scale shot (25g) (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1UKCqDICTSRoHl2U10gG2tAGalkiUcv1L5Q), bearing washer scale shot (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Yzg36gwySB9xICVuDB0R1u41_xMNV4iAMA), RD hanger (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1RKVbjwdpu9A96aQR4xBwRFkdTahsyYWvVQ), RD hanger bolt (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1YXkZv1dbWon9DS3OF-ocEiziQnz1NRM42A).

And some notes:
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: carbonazza on August 13, 2017, 10:39:50 AM
Do not worry, in a couple of months, you will not see the scars anymore  ;)
Thank you for the detailed pictures.
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: Klaster_1 on August 18, 2017, 08:53:59 AM
I've got a new phone with a better camera! Today was the first successful ride after the clay incident, even after thorough cleaning and a dose of lube the chain produces annoying grinding noise. I guess I'll have to replace it. Also got a great deal on 1099 cassette, it shifts different compared to 771: snappy and loud.
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: Klaster_1 on August 27, 2017, 10:08:07 PM
This weekend ti shock binding posts from titaniumplant were delivered, here's a photo (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ExjJ0giIO-yBFotlG072rSIv0MnBwojpww). Too bad things didn't proceed as smooth as I hoped for: rear binding post had to be shortened like the previous one, but works fine as far as I can tell; the front binding post didn't seem to cause any trouble during installation, but right before test ride I noticed that Fox polymer shock bushing clicks against it when move the bike vertically a bit. 10 minutes swap back to original binding post fixed the issue, but this kept annoying me through entire ride :-\ Any ideas? My only guess would be a bad case of tolerances mismatch between fox bushing sleeve and new binding post sleeve, the RWC bearing works fine.
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: ArAddict on September 01, 2017, 05:59:00 AM
Im thinking of putting a 120-130mm front fork on mine instead of the 100mm SID im running now since im riding way more techinal trails at the moment, and tend to use my CX/Gravelbike for anything else. How do you find the handling/change of geometry with your 120mm fork or does it just feel as great as it looks :) I asked Deng Fu and they replied the frame is specs for 100-110mm travel so Im abit concerd how a longer fork would affect geometry but also headset stress even though the headset angle wouldnt be affected much according to my calculations.

Doing some research the current Rockshox SID XX 100mm 29 has an AC (axel to crown) measurement of 526mm and the Fox 32 130mm 29" has 530.8mm, so the difference is in reality only 4 mm between the forks AC. I checked the Manitou Mattoc Pro 120mm and it has 531mm AC, so just abit more then the Fox.

I cant see how more travel without a much longer AC measurement would put more stress on the frame then running a 100/110mm of any brand, or do I miss something here with the longer stroke etc ?
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: Klaster_1 on September 01, 2017, 11:08:26 PM
How do you find the handling/change of geometry with your 120mm fork or does it just feel as great as it looks :)
No complaints from me about handling, with 530 axle to crown, 2cm of spacers and flat bar the bike feels very stable. During several rides with slammed stem it became more responsive, akin to my previous 26" hardtail (almost same reach/stack) which I liked too. In case you want more saddle to bar drop, there's a lot of places to shave stack off left (reversed riser bar, -17/20 degree stem, reducing travel). Take what I say with a grain of salt, as I'm not that experienced of rider to notice small handling or geometry changes.

I asked Deng Fu and they replied the frame is specs for 100-110mm travel so Im abit concerd how a longer fork would affect geometry but also headset stress even though the headset angle wouldnt be affected much according to my calculations.
Given my previous experience with open mold dealers, support personell (Melodies, Jennies and so on) know shit about actual frames sans what instructions say. Several centimeters are nothing to bother about, just like you said even same travel forks from different manufacturers can vary that much, add travel adjustment to equation and you pretty much get into very vague limits of what frame can handle.

If you want to try more travel, I'd get my hands on adjustable fork in desired travel range and try out what's best for you by riding it in different setups.
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: ArAddict on September 02, 2017, 01:31:13 AM
How do you find the handling/change of geometry with your 120mm fork or does it just feel as great as it looks :)
No complaints from me about handling, with 530 axle to crown, 2cm of spacers and flat bar the bike feels very stable. During several rides with slammed stem it became more responsive, akin to my previous 26" hardtail (almost same reach/stack) which I liked too. In case you want more saddle to bar drop, there's a lot of places to shave stack off left (reversed riser bar, -17/20 degree stem, reducing travel). Take what I say with a grain of salt, as I'm not that experienced of rider to notice small handling or geometry changes.

I asked Deng Fu and they replied the frame is specs for 100-110mm travel so Im abit concerd how a longer fork would affect geometry but also headset stress even though the headset angle wouldnt be affected much according to my calculations.
Given my previous experience with open mold dealers, support personell (Melodies, Jennies and so on) know shit about actual frames sans what instructions say. Several centimeters are nothing to bother about, just like you said even same travel forks from different manufacturers can vary that much, add travel adjustment to equation and you pretty much get into very vague limits of what frame can handle.

If you want to try more travel, I'd get my hands on adjustable fork in desired travel range and try out what's best for you by riding it in different setups.

Great info! And just my thought about the frame durability. Getting a 2nd hand Fox 130mm travel next week that I will try on the bike.
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: sclyde2 on September 02, 2017, 05:30:07 AM

Doing some research the current Rockshox SID XX 100mm 29 has an AC (axel to crown) measurement of 526mm


I'm not sure where you are getting 526mm for that fork.  From what I've read, it is closer to 506mm.
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: ArAddict on September 03, 2017, 12:43:15 PM

Doing some research the current Rockshox SID XX 100mm 29 has an AC (axel to crown) measurement of 526mm


I'm not sure where you are getting 526mm for that fork.  From what I've read, it is closer to 506mm.

Thats correct, measured my fork to be sure, got the 526mm from first best google hit :) thx
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: maui400 on September 03, 2017, 03:06:52 PM
Great info! And just my thought about the frame durability. Getting a 2nd hand Fox 130mm travel next week that I will try on the bike.

The seat tube angle is already with a 100mm Fork on the edge. Sure you want to push it even further?
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: sclyde2 on September 03, 2017, 03:40:59 PM
I don't think the seat tube is the issue.  It would be more the headtube - adding an inch of fork length would be putting a fair bit more torque on the head tube.
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: steven-iam on September 03, 2017, 06:27:17 PM
Seems like your turning an XC  Bike into a trail. Not sure it was designed for big jumps. But I remember someone mentioning their plus bike is the same frame with different chainstays. Keep us posted
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: jaytee on September 03, 2017, 08:56:06 PM
I'm running a 120mm Fox 34 on my M06 and love it, I did have a 100 fox32 on it for a couple of weeks but i prefer the longer fork.

Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: Klaster_1 on September 03, 2017, 09:52:31 PM
I'm running a 120mm Fox 34 on my M06 and love it, I did have a 100 fox32 on it for a couple of weeks but i prefer the longer fork.
Do mind making a build thread for your M06? I bet others would like to see it as well, especially after you mentioned going from 32 to 34.
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: ArAddict on September 04, 2017, 03:36:18 AM
Seems like your turning an XC  Bike into a trail. Not sure it was designed for big jumps. But I remember someone mentioning their plus bike is the same frame with different chainstays. Keep us posted

I wont be riding harder nor do any big jumps with it, just curious how it affects the overall performance/feel of the bike on the mix of very technical trails with alot of climb/ascent to pure gravel/XC, perhaps its a no brainer once I tried. Got some segments im doing often so it will be easy to measure the difference.
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: Klaster_1 on October 14, 2017, 12:08:28 AM
New parts: Darimo T1 seatpost. As I was afraid, it's incompatible with my open mold saddle: rails too short (5cm) and too widely spaced, so I took a Saevid Alien from road bike (out use until April anyway). Complete combo weights 168g, which is roughly on par with a Berk railed combo from Gullholm's thread on WW.
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: Klaster_1 on May 28, 2018, 06:07:22 AM
No updates in a long time, so here's a "sub-9kg" scale shot to compensate.
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: Jar_head on May 28, 2018, 08:47:46 AM
What's that wheelset? Looks like Pi Rope spokes..
Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: Klaster_1 on June 15, 2018, 11:00:59 PM
What's that wheelset? Looks like Pi Rope spokes..
The spokes are Berd Polylight. A similar affair, but works with a lot (but not all) conventional hubs, unlike Pi Rope which requires proprietary hubs if I remember correctly. More weight can be shed with Dt Swiss fork/shock, I actually spent whole morning today drooling over a good deal for 120mm 29er OPM ODL Race (~750USD), but decided to stick to Manitou. A bag of valve shims will arrive soon, so I'd be able to tune the fork to my liking, which OPM ODL does not offer so easily.
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Title: Re: Klaster_1's Dengfu M06 build
Post by: lRaphl on June 18, 2018, 10:06:52 AM
I have a DT swiss OPM OLD 120mm (not the race one) and it's a great fork (the best I ever had in fact) but the 200h service can't be done at home and cost a lot.