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Title: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: FirstCFbike on April 09, 2017, 11:31:19 PM
First post.  Looking at the frame on eBay.  Any feedback from the forum on them?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/172557770653?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Thank you.
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: FirstCFbike on April 10, 2017, 03:02:17 PM
Seems to be the same frames carried by other vendors in DH Gate

http://www.dhgate.com/product/t1000-2017-3k-1k-road-carbon-fiber-bike-frame/396780289.html#s1-1-1b;searl|1152616918

Maybe too new for anyone to have some experience with it... I want to get it in matte finish with the 3K CF finish... no paint and no decals.

Plan is to get a Shimano Ultegra 6800 11 Speed Groupset to go with the frame... Not sure on what wheels to use at this time... still pretty much in research mode.
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: FirstCFbike on April 12, 2017, 08:48:34 AM
I am so eager to pull the trigger... but not sure if I forgo looks and go with a proven frame that others here have shared their build... argghhhhhh! 

Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: Sitar_Ned on April 12, 2017, 10:02:50 AM
I honestly wouldn't worry about being new all too much since it's a road frame. They just aren't beaten on as much as the mtb frames. Others might disagree with that statement so don't take it as gospel.. I'm not very experienced with road bikes.

It certainly looks bad ass.. especially for the price. Got me wanting one. Looks like a $2500 frame. i know people kinda frown upon the chiners that have decals to look like name brand frames, but that black and gray Pinarello decal frame looks pretty sweet.

I say if you like the geometry, and that's the frame you really want.. go for it. Try to buy from a trusted seller and get the bike you want.
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: FirstCFbike on April 12, 2017, 04:18:35 PM
I honestly wouldn't worry about being new all too much since it's a road frame. They just aren't beaten on as much as the mtb frames. Others might disagree with that statement so don't take it as gospel.. I'm not very experienced with road bikes.

It certainly looks bad ass.. especially for the price. Got me wanting one. Looks like a $2500 frame. i know people kinda frown upon the chiners that have decals to look like name brand frames, but that black and gray Pinarello decal frame looks pretty sweet.

I say if you like the geometry, and that's the frame you really want.. go for it. Try to buy from a trusted seller and get the bike you want.

Thank you.  The challenge that I have is that this vendor seems to be the only one selling that frame and I can find references nor other buyer's feedback.  Would be great if I could find someone that took delivery and can provide their opinion.
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: SportingGoods on April 13, 2017, 07:48:24 AM
I'm one of those who doesn't like brand names decals on Chiners frames  8) (but I don't think you mentioned you want decals!)

I see 2 problems. First, this turns the frame into a pure counterfeit product, just because of the decals. Maybe the frame is different enough that it doesn't infringe the design of the original frame (or the design is not protected at all), but the decals do (names are protected). This is illegal and I don't support that. Then, time might come when you will want to resell your bike, completed. Some people might be tempted to claim it is a real Dogma, just to up the sell price. This is wrong.

All this can be avoided by refusing this type of decals.

I forgot to mention that if the frame is noticeably different from a Dogma, and people spot the difference, you look plain stupid. I also forgot to mention that if customs decides to have a look at your parcel they will not only keep your frame but also send you a fine (and the seller will keep his money).

Then, I thought like Sitar Ned that road bikes takes a lot less stress then a MTB. That was before I get a road bike. Now I understand that there is a pretty strong stress because of the narrow tires and high speed. Cobbles, rail tracks are very stressful. Any bump, road crack causes high stress at 70, 80, 90+ km/h. Riding my MTB transfers less vibration/impact then riding my road bike. Suspension and large tires are really efficient.
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: FirstCFbike on April 13, 2017, 09:13:17 AM
I'm one of those who doesn't like brand names decals on Chiners frames  8) (but I don't think you mentioned you want decals!)

I see 2 problems. First, this turns the frame into a pure counterfeit product, just because of the decals. Maybe the frame is different enough that it doesn't infringe the design of the original frame (or the design is not protected at all), but the decals do (names are protected). This is illegal and I don't support that. Then, time might come when you will want to resell your bike, completed. Some people might be tempted to claim it is a real Dogma, just to up the sell price. This is wrong.

All this can be avoided by refusing this type of decals.

I forgot to mention that if the frame is noticeably different from a Dogma, and people spot the difference, you look plain stupid. I also forgot to mention that if customs decides to have a look at your parcel they will not only keep your frame but also send you a fine (and the seller will keep his money).

Then, I thought like Sitar Ned that road bikes takes a lot less stress then a MTB. That was before I get a road bike. Now I understand that there is a pretty strong stress because of the narrow tires and high speed. Cobbles, rail tracks are very stressful. Any bump, road crack causes high stress at 70, 80, 90+ km/h. Riding my MTB transfers less vibration/impact then riding my road bike. Suspension and large tires are really efficient.

I do not want paint nor any decals, correct.  I don't want to pass it for what it is not.  I do love the looks and lines of this frame and that is the only reason I am looking at it.  I already exchanged a few messages with the vendor on finishes.  If I decide to buy it it will be finished in 3K Carbon Fiber matte finish (not DU)... now, I know, as someone pointed out, exposed carbon fiber finish is so a thing of the past and DU is the new thing... call me old school... I still like the matte cf expose finish on these parts.

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/Frame_zps6k1y75hb.jpg)

Also looking at these wheels...

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/Wheels_zpsrq65upwi.jpg)

or going with Shimano Ultegras... two different looks, I know...

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/G0002ACK_zpsqw7lcw1o.jpg)

And the other option is going with a GAN 105...

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/Screen%20Shot%202017-04-12%20at%208.12.49%20PM_zpsvo5snb3z.png)

Right now the questions that I am trying to answer is.   If you can detach from the genuine frame vs copy frame argument for a moment, is a Chinese build, with better parts, a better option than going with the GAN 105 as is?? This is really where I am at right now....

Once I decide if I go with Pinarello GAN 105 or with the Chinese frame... then I need to decide on the different components and start ordering. This is what I have so far in my list if I go with the Chinese frame:



Still researching/deciding on:
Anything I get is sure to be better than my current ride... do not laugh... 1999 Pacific YX 240 with road tires...

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/7557123a-642a-491a-b4f8-80e398238130_zpslewhdmuu.jpg)
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: SportingGoods on April 13, 2017, 10:51:26 AM
I like 3K carbon weave too, but I picked mine in Glossy  8)

Actually, I get both. My MTB is UD mat, my road bike is 3K Glossy. I think glossy fits better to 3K when mat fits better to UD (personal choice!). My choice would be to mount a chiner with better components then a brand bike. I like building bikes. I trust my bikes a lot more then I trust any other bike. And I'd pick the carbon wheels from China, not Shimano. Now that I know how to build wheels I prefer to mount them myself. I get exactly what I want, for less, and it is more robust then stock wheels. The Ultegra groupset is fantastic.

PS: nice bike! try to sell it to a museum :)
And it looks like you also get a nice car. What is that enxt to the bike??
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: FirstCFbike on April 13, 2017, 07:32:02 PM
I like 3K carbon weave too, but I picked mine in Glossy  8)

Actually, I get both. My MTB is UD mat, my road bike is 3K Glossy. I think glossy fits better to 3K when mat fits better to UD (personal choice!). My choice would be to mount a chiner with better components then a brand bike. I like building bikes. I trust my bikes a lot more then I trust any other bike. And I'd pick the carbon wheels from China, not Shimano. Now that I know how to build wheels I prefer to mount them myself. I get exactly what I want, for less, and it is more robust then stock wheels. The Ultegra groupset is fantastic.

PS: nice bike! try to sell it to a museum :)
And it looks like you also get a nice car. What is that enxt to the bike??

Upside down photo  ;)  I did not have a photo of the bike on the floor...
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: FirstCFbike on April 13, 2017, 11:41:35 PM
Well... 

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/jump-off-cliff_zpsfydoxxja.jpeg)

Frame ordered... worst case scenario, I ended up also buying the Pinarello GAN if this frame does not work out...
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: FirstCFbike on April 14, 2017, 12:07:55 PM
Updating parts ordered, prices, and vendors - prices include shipping

EDIT April 21st - Adding the build list here. Updating parts ordered, prices, and vendors - prices include shipping

Frame (Package includes - Frame, Fork, Seatpost, Clamp, Headset, and two spare rear derailleur hangers) - US$540.00 - eBay - Arrived
This is what I asked for: Order was for 1 Frame (Package includes - Frame, Fork, Seatpost, Clamp, Headset) Size 50 cm Bottom Bracket - BB68 for Shimano Groupset Finish - no stickers - finished in 3K Carbon fiber weave and in matte clear coat with spare rear derailleur hanger


Ordered from Competitive Cyclist - Arrived
Most Aero 1K Carbon Top Cap Black, 15mm - MOS0004-BK-S45MM - US$31.49
Most Aero 1K Carbon Headset Spacer Black, 2 Pack, 10mm - MOS0006-BKS2PAC-S10MM - US$9.89
Most Aero 1K Carbon Headset Spacer Black, 2 Pack, 5mm - MOS0006-BKS2PAC-S5MM - US$7.19

Most Aero Bicycle Headset Expander Plug Top Cover - MO-16-AERO-TOP-COVER-1K - US$31.18 - Amazon - Arrived

Edit:  Found one set in eBay, so ordering that instead - US$42.99 for these parts: Arrived

Continental GatorSkin DuraSkin Tire Folding - 700x25 - US$88.00 - Amazon - Arrived

Arrived
Shimano Ultegra PD-6800 Spd-Sl Pedals Carbon, Pair - US$88.99 - JensonUSA
Shimano Ultegra 6800 Tubeless Wheelset Black/Silver, 10/11 Speed - US$279.99 - JensonUSA
Selle Italia Max SLR Gel Flow Saddle Black, L3, TI-316 Rails - US$179.99 - JensonUSA
Continental 700C Presta Valve Tube 700 X 18-25, 42mm Presta Valve (2) - US$12.00 - JensonUSA
US$20.00 oversize shipping cost - JensonUSA

Arrived
Shimano Ultegra 6800 Quick Release Grey, Rear and Front Skewers (was not aware these were sold separately... US$22.00 - JensonUSA - Edit - Looks like I will have a spare set...for the price I rather keep them than return them.  So beware, the Shimano Wheelset includes these...
Shoes - These were on special... I hope I got the size correct... Shimano SH-RP3 Wide Road Shoes Black, 43 - US$99.99 - Ordered - JensonUSA
Handlebar Tape - Ended up with all black tape... Shimano Pro Sport Control Bar Tape Black - US$9.99 - Ordered - JensonUSA

Shimano Ultegra 6800 11 Speed Groupset - Grey - 172.5mm-11/28-34/50 BSA - Box- US$530.24 - ProBikeKit -  Arrived

Kool Kovers-Cleat covers for Shimano SPD-SL Pedal Systems - US$14.17 - Amazon - Arrived

Tools (all ordered from Amazon): - Arrived
Park Tool Mini Chain Brute Chain Tool - CT-5 - US$15.26
Hozan 4th Hand Brake Tool - US$17.04
Best Value Torque Wrench Set - IRONARM Torque Wrench Bike. Good Bicycle Repair Tools and Allen Key Set - US$43.95
Park Tool BBT-9 Bottom Bracket Tool to remove and install Shimano Hollowtech II bottom brackets. - US$19.34
Finish Line Ceramic Grease 2-Ounce Tube US$9.96
Shimano Hollowtech-II crank-arm/cap tool, TL-FC16 - US$5.32

Arrived
BV Bicycle Y-Series Strap-On Bike Saddle Bag / Bicycle Seat Pack Bag, Cycling Wedge in Medium size - US$14.99 - Amazon
Relefree Mini Bike Pump Portable Bicycle Frame Pump - 260 PSI High Pressure for All Road & Mountain Cycle Tires or Soccer,Basketball and Volleyball Presta & Schrader Valve - US$15.89 - Amazon
Park Tool Supergrip Carbon and Alloy Assembly Compound - 4 oz. tube - US$10.76 - Amazon
Shimano 11-Speed Chain Pins 11-Speed, Bag of 3 - US$9.40 - Amazon
Vktech 5x Converter Presta to Schrader Bicycle Bike Valve Adaptor Tube Pump Tools (only needed one but these come in a bag of 5) - US$3.49 - Amazon

Handlebar - eBay - Arrived
Handlebar Stem - Amazon - Arrived

Shimano Dura-Ace 9000 Brake Cable Set Polymer-Coated Brake Cable Set Black - Ordered May 14- JensonUSA
Shimano Dura-Ace Polymer Shift Cable Set Polymer-Coated Deraileur Cable Set Black - Ordered May 14 - JensonUSA
Water bottles - Camelbak Podium Big Chill 25 Oz Bottle Red, 25 Oz - Ordered May 14- JensonUSA
Bottle holder - eBay - Ordered
Helmet - Giro Foray Helmet - Picked at the local bike shop.

Pending:

Bell - Spurcycle Bell in Black
Computer/GPS - Wahoo Elemnt Bolt
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: FirstCFbike on May 15, 2017, 12:13:14 AM
Frame is here!!!! (And yes...I know the forks are in the wrong direction, lol )

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/9DF087F6-F7A5-4340-A2E7-F10D05AAD5E4_zpsxwgmuc5n.jpg)

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/78CAB751-5C26-441C-A2BF-9A3B48751443_zps8cl1hbhe.jpg)

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/8CCDBC64-74EE-4ACA-AF98-2FA879B84C1A_zpsrgw9vvnu.jpg)

Everything looks great.  It looks all black in the photos, but it is actually a 3K carbon fiber finish.  Need to get close to see it.

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/2B8FAF35-7989-4D3A-B36F-D5ED18CA9DDC_zpsp8nzo9u8.jpg)

Will see, quality wise, how it holds up.  Almost done with the build.  Can't wait to take it for a ride.

It is coming along... messed up the front brake cable length and had to do it again... so need to pick up another cable tomorrow to do the rear brake...

I also ordered two more spacers for the fork/stem setup.  I want to make sure I have enough length to adjust height as I find the right fitment specs for me.  What you see in the photo is just a round 10 mm spacer I used to measure and be able to cut the fork tube.

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/F00B1E7F-CB3B-404C-B4B7-83C3CBE7D82A_zpsghofta6i.jpg)

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/E292D004-5589-4377-B9D0-18DFBD8D70EB_zpsmhpaz0o8.jpg)
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: RoadClimber on May 15, 2017, 12:52:54 AM
Hi FirstCFbike:

Nice frame man! I like it. I am trying to do the same, I mean to build my own bike and I would like to ask you some questions. How long did it take? Where in eBay did you get it? Is there any reason why you did not want to get the frame painted? What's the measure of the rear spacing? and.. what would be the maximum tyre width you can use with the wheels you have? Is the bottom bracket BSA=BB68? Do you think I can go 32-36 in the rear cassette?
Thanks for your feedback and comments, again. nice set up for your bike.
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: FirstCFbike on May 15, 2017, 07:35:07 AM
Hi FirstCFbike:

Nice frame man! I like it. I am trying to do the same, I mean to build my own bike and I would like to ask you some questions. How long did it take? Where in eBay did you get it? Is there any reason why you did not want to get the frame painted? What's the measure of the rear spacing? and.. what would be the maximum tyre width you can use with the wheels you have? Is the bottom bracket BSA=BB68? Do you think I can go 32-36 in the rear cassette?
Thanks for your feedback and comments, again. nice set up for your bike.

I ordered the frame on April 13.  So it took a month to make and deliver.  Once it was shipped it was just a few days to get here.

I bought it via eBay, correct.  You don't see the listing anymore because it got removed since they were using photos with logos... I can give you their email.  Transaction was via PayPal (I wanted that protection since it was my first time buying from them).  But they kept great communication and replied quickly every time I asked for an update.

On the paint.  Several reasons.  Paint was 100.00 additional charge.  First frame that I buy from them and wanted to keep my out of pocket risk to the minimum.  Also,  I did not want any stickers/logos nor paint, as I did not wanted to pass this for something that it is not.   And even (as someone told me) if it is so "yesterday/old look" by today's trend, I like the bare carbon fiber look.  Now that I see the frame and the quality (still to be completely tested when I finish it and take it for a ride)... anyway, now, if I had to do it again, I would have ordered it painted in some cool colors (but still no logos/stickers).  Even a full painted frame in red would have looked amazing... I might just do that (order a second one painted), but need the wallet to heal before I do so :)

Rear spacing?  For tires you mean?  I will measure, take some photos, and get back to you.  Right now I am running 25 mm tires with good clearance, but have not measured anything.

Correct.  Bottom bracket is BSA/BB68.  I cleaned the threads (some carbon dust in them).  There was also just one spot that had some resin on it... got one of those thread cleaner blades with the 24 tooth spacing

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/s-l1600%203_zpscp00dpog.jpg)

and it cleaned right away.  Greased them, and everything bolted smoothly by hand before applying spec torque.

32-26 in the rear cassette - Sorry.  ???  Can't help you there.  Do not understand the question.  I am a newbie (I mean, I have ridden bicycles since I was a kid... but never gotten as technical as things are today... so I am still learning).  I ordered what seemed to me to be a common setup   :-\

I hope that helps.  Will get you the additional info when I get home from work.
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: RoadClimber on May 15, 2017, 09:37:45 PM
Hi:

Thanks for your reply. I really appreciate the time you spent to answer my questions. Yes, I would like you to give me the email address so that I can start reaching out the guy. Knowing that your transaction was safe, I will start the process to purchase the frame. I will wait for those pictures you are going to take to see the rear spacing measure. I think, it should be 130mm for 25-28 mm tyres but I am not sure as I have not seen the measure. Was the bottom bracket you ordered BSA=BB68 English or Italy. You probably asked for the English, right?  Did you have to pay any import duties or taxes? Was it door-to-door delivery? I am sorry for the many questions I am asking to you man, but I want to make sure this is safe to do it. My question about the 32-36 is because I am planning to get a rear cassette with sprockets 32-36 for climbing. Which cassette do you have? 11-28,11-32? If you used Ultegra, you probably have 11-28, 11-32. That's the reason I asked you that. The front crankset should be 50-34, compact, right?

Thanks for the information and waiting for that final picture when you finish assembling your bike. By the way, what is the final weight you are expecting once you build it.

RoadClimber
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: FirstCFbike on May 15, 2017, 10:06:53 PM
Hi:

Thanks for your reply. I really appreciate the time you spent to answer my questions. Yes, I would like you to give me the email address so that I can start reaching out the guy. Knowing that your transaction was safe, I will start the process to purchase the frame. I will wait for those pictures you are going to take to see the rear spacing measure. I think, it should be 130mm for 25-28 mm tyres but I am not sure as I have not seen the measure. Was the bottom bracket you ordered BSA=BB68 English or Italy. You probably asked for the English, right?  Did you have to pay any import duties or taxes? Was it door-to-door delivery? I am sorry for the many questions I am asking to you man, but I want to make sure this is safe to do it. My question about the 32-36 is because I am planning to get a rear cassette with sprockets 32-36 for climbing. Which cassette do you have? 11-28,11-32? If you used Ultegra, you probably have 11-28, 11-32. That's the reason I asked you that. The front crankset should be 50-34, compact, right?

Thanks for the information and waiting for that final picture when you finish assembling your bike. By the way, what is the final weight you are expecting once you build it.

RoadClimber

Ask away... no worries there.  Do check reply #10 in this thread.  I try to keep the complete list of parts ordered as well as what I paid and the vendor.

Frame was US$450.00 + US$90.00 shipping to the USA.  That was it.  No additional costs.... if you wanted a painted frame with decals, it was an additional US$100.00
Bottom bracket is English, not Italian.  It is the BB68 - This is what I asked for: Order was for 1 Frame (Package includes - Frame, Fork, Seatpost, Clamp, Headset) Size 50 cm Bottom Bracket - BB68 for Shimano Groupset Finish - no stickers - finished in 3K Carbon fiber weave and in matte clear coat with spare rear derailleur hanger

For the groupset I have the Shimano Ultegra 6800 11 Speed Groupset - Grey - 172.5mm-11/28-34/50 BSA - Compact

Is this the measurement you are looking for?  The wheels I am using are the Shimano Ultegra 6800 Tubeless Wheelset Black/Silver, 10/11 Speed and those lock in place at 130 mm

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/73C5388B-139F-464A-B797-F7C2F0BDFE9E_zpsekcknarc.jpg)
(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/DCB02012-974B-41D7-9470-DC3646740566_zpsfd9iu0lb.jpg)
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: RoadClimber on May 16, 2017, 12:12:17 AM
Thanks! yes, that's the measure I thought it was. As I would like to start the purchase process, do you mind if you send me the email address of the guy so I can start working on it?
Do not forget to send the final pics when you finish building it. I've tried to look for it on eBay but there is nothing.  On another note, when you import goods there is a tax to pay, right? Is that something exclusively from eBay? I mean, tax exempt. Can you clarify on that please. The other vendors like DHGate and AliExpress tell the buyer to pay custom tax and import duty one.
Thanks,

RoadClimber
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: FirstCFbike on May 16, 2017, 05:18:52 AM
Thanks! yes, that's the measure I thought it was. As I would like to start the purchase process, do you mind if you send me the email address of the guy so I can start working on it?
Do not forget to send the final pics when you finish building it. I've tried to look for it on eBay but there is nothing.  On another note, when you import goods there is a tax to pay, right? Is that something exclusively from eBay? I mean, tax exempt. Can you clarify on that please. The other vendors like DHGate and AliExpress tell the buyer to pay custom tax and import duty one.
Thanks,

RoadClimber

Check your messages.  I sent you a PM last night with the info.

And nothing else paid.  540.00 was the total for the frame shipped.
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: carbonazza on May 16, 2017, 06:38:50 AM
If you are in Europe expect a 4% import duty.
If the frame is painted, expect a 48.5% of anti-dumping  :o (Especially Belgium, Spain, may be Germany)

If it is not painted, fight against the anti-dumping, it took 3 months, but I won.
A friend didn't have that chance, since he accepted the package, but then couldn't prove the unpainted frame was the one in the box(nasty trick).

Then add your VAT, something about 20%.
And a fixed amount like 30€ to handle your custom declaration.

The world is not the same for everyone.
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: karstenhorn on May 16, 2017, 07:42:24 AM
If you are in Europe expect a 4% import duty.
If the frame is painted, expect a 48.5% of anti-dumping  :o (Especially Belgium, Spain, may be Germany)

If it is not painted, fight against the anti-dumping, it took 3 months, but I won.
A friend didn't have that chance, since he accepted the package, but then couldn't prove the unpainted frame was the one in the box(nasty trick).

Then add your VAT, something about 20%.
And a fixed amount like 30€ to handle your custom declaration.

The world is not the same for everyone.

For Denmark that would be about 34%, 9% in customs and 25% import tax. That is if you do not get caught for importing copied goods. Its a obvious copy of a F10 and customs in Denmark are not stupid. I would never take the risk as I could end up with a fine of maybe 2000$+
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: carbonazza on May 16, 2017, 07:49:03 AM
As long as you get it unbranded, I don't think there is any risk.
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: karstenhorn on May 16, 2017, 08:00:33 AM
As long as you get it unbranded, I don't think there is any risk.

There have been cases here in Denmark where the frame even had some local Chinese stickers where it got confiscated and the person who got it had a huge fine about the same size as the cost of the original brand. There is a trademark on the frame design and as I said, customs are extremely curious when goods arrive from China here. Apart from that, I would never buy a copy of something as I don't want to support illegal activities. If this frame design is protected by law, it is indeed criminal activity to produce a copy it and in my eyes also buying it as it is obvious that it is a copy product. I'm very happy with my open mold legal FM098 road frame.
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: lRaphl on May 16, 2017, 09:03:16 AM
I'm in Canada and never had to pay anything for all my carbon parts from China (frames, wheels, rims, ...). But paying in US $ makes up for that big time with currency change here. ;)
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: FirstCFbike on May 16, 2017, 09:19:40 AM
...The world is not the same for everyone.

Correct.  Reason why I made it clear that this was in the USA...not sure where RoadClimber is located.
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: RoadClimber on May 16, 2017, 02:24:29 PM
Hi:
I checked reply #10 as indicated but there is no email from the vendor(eBay) you got the frame. The other parts I can see the vendors with the links.
If I can have the email from the guy I can star the purchasing process.
Thanks again
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: seahog32 on May 16, 2017, 03:05:17 PM
I'm in Canada and never had to pay anything for all my carbon parts from China (frames, wheels, rims, ...). But paying in US $ makes up for that big time with currency change here. ;)

I'm in Canada too and I find this hard to believe. I mean, no offence intended, but are you saying you never had to pay taxes and brockerage fees, if not duties, on expensive parts like frames and wheels? I know from personal experience that they don't charge you anything on cheap parts like seat post, handlebars or seats, but was sure they would not let a big price tag item slip by without getting their cut. If you can confirm that, that would be a game changing info for me. Thanks.
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: FirstCFbike on May 16, 2017, 03:27:11 PM
Hi:
I checked reply #10 as indicated but there is no email from the vendor(eBay) you got the frame. The other parts I can see the vendors with the links.
If I can have the email from the guy I can star the purchasing process.
Thanks again

Check your messages in the forum... I sent you a private message (PM) last night.  Click on "My Messages"
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: RoadClimber on May 17, 2017, 12:56:17 AM
Hi FirstCFbike:

I sent you private messages. Hope you can answer those questions.

Thanks,

RoadClimber
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: lRaphl on May 17, 2017, 08:05:23 AM
I'm in Canada and never had to pay anything for all my carbon parts from China (frames, wheels, rims, ...). But paying in US $ makes up for that big time with currency change here. ;)

I'm in Canada too and I find this hard to believe. I mean, no offence intended, but are you saying you never had to pay taxes and brockerage fees, if not duties, on expensive parts like frames and wheels? I know from personal experience that they don't charge you anything on cheap parts like seat post, handlebars or seats, but was sure they would not let a big price tag item slip by without getting their cut. If you can confirm that, that would be a game changing info for me. Thanks.

So far, I did 7 major orders from China.

1st: 2 carbon rims from Light Bicycle. No taxes or duties paid.
2nd: 1 Road bike frame with seat post, handlebar, stem, headset, 2 bottle cages, spare hanger and fork from Dengfu. No taxes or duties paid.
3rd: 1 pair of road wheels from Far Sports. No taxes or duties paid.
4th: 1 Carbon FS bike frame (IP-036) with headset, seat post, 4 bottle cages and a spare hanger from IPlay. No taxes or duties paid.
5th: 2 carbon rims from Carbonbicycle. No taxes or duties paid.
6th: 1 carbon rim from Carbonbicycle. No taxes or duties paid.
7th: 1 carbon rim and 2 bottle cages from XMCarbonSpeed. No taxes or duties paid.

Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: RoadClimber on May 17, 2017, 01:06:34 PM
RU in the USA?
Were all your orders delivered door-to-door?
I guess it depends on the country you live in, if the customer pays or not the import taxes and duties.
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: lRaphl on May 17, 2017, 01:31:10 PM
I'm in Canada and have to pay taxes on everything comming from other places like Chainreaction Cycles, Merlin Cycles, Ribbles, Bike24, Bike-components, etc. But it seems like carbon parts from China are not subjected to that! :)
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: seahog32 on May 17, 2017, 02:14:15 PM
I'm in Canada and have to pay taxes on everything comming from other places like Chainreaction Cycles, Merlin Cycles, Ribbles, Bike24, Bike-components, etc. But it seems like carbon parts from China are not subjected to that! :)

Did the seller state a lower than actual price? Some of them seem to offer to do that. Happened to me once without asking. Anyway, thank you for the information.
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: lRaphl on May 18, 2017, 07:34:27 AM
Yes, the seller always stated a lower price without me asking. They also alway add that it's sample bicycle parts in the details.
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: FirstCFbike on May 21, 2017, 03:57:33 PM
Well... looks like the major areas/issues are done.  Maybe some fine tuning... Still waiting for the bottle cage to arrive.  And using normal pedals for now while I get use to it.

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/DAE55EE7-660D-4BCA-8CFC-C72D04EE8FF4_zps5roilwwg.jpg)

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/630281D1-FFFB-4EA4-AAF0-DC2F465E4BC1_zpsitbzx9ya.jpg)

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/C36FCE92-C601-4CB9-B7E0-138901B6971C_zpsrkmuzjkf.jpg)

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/572B6396-5419-4955-91B7-024007F350D8_zpsgrkjtez7.jpg)

Looking at the photos I remember that I was going to cut a bit more the rear brake housing :(  Will do so next...

Anyway... my first road bike.  Took it out just around the neighborhood... oh goodness... this thing is hard as a rock!  My a*s*s still hurts!  No wonder everyone uses the padded underware (or padded shorts) :eek:

Total weight of the bike as you see it in the photos is 19.18 lbs  Keep in mind that tool bag alone (tools inside) is 1.89lbs.  Plus the pedals are heavier than the Ultegra clipless units.   So with lighter tires, Ultegra pedals, taking off the toolbag... this could be a 17lbs bike.  I was not going after any specific weight... just sharing in case anyone cares.

I will need to get used to how harsh this bike rides.  Proper gear will certainly help.  I will have to build up to be able to go with my friend on his 50+ miles rides... no way in heck I can do that right away... (yes, I am quickly realizing what it will take to make such a long ride  :twitchy: )

Alright... let me ride this thing again... back in a few.
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: FirstCFbike on May 21, 2017, 05:41:46 PM
Took it out for 10 miles.  Made additional adjustments to the brakes (fixed the housing on the rear section of the rear brake line) and front/rear derailleur... it is done!  Well... at least for now, lol.  Shifting and braking is smooth.  Getting use to the seat.  I know my Old Navy shorts are not right for this ride, will get some decent riding gear soon.

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/FB41AD55-7A07-441A-9261-2CAFB8F4510E_zpsg211czzo.jpg)

Ohh... and I fixed the toolbag... I had installed it upside down  :-[

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/014725C9-2420-4B0D-91CC-07CD68386099_zpsr6u9kizo.jpg)


Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: FirstCFbike on May 21, 2017, 09:27:00 PM
Logo almost gone... will do a second coat tomorrow...

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/1F0EFD89-B959-4870-AA37-6DF0A2D0C1A5_zps26dnixup.jpg)

Very happy with the build.  Pretty sure a shop would have done a better job but a lot of the fun for me is doing the build myself.

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/E5C1CEF2-901F-4DCC-B488-4D67CFC65D00_zpsv26y670i.jpg)
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: SportingGoods on May 23, 2017, 02:20:23 AM
It looks very good! Congrats.

I like the 3K matte finish. A few thoughts:
- The bike should not feel harsh. I suspect that this comes from the tires. Use good quality, expensive, 25 mm tires, inflated low enough and it should be a smooth ride. The tire is your only contact with the road; as high quality the rest of the bike is, this is what ensures grip and damping. I like the Schwalbe Pro One mounted tubeless. Continental tires are known to be too rigid.
- make sure to adjust your saddle height properly. It should be higher then a MTB. Move it up gradually, it might feel odd at first but then you understand that this is how you can push strong. I use the formula inseam x 0.883 for the BB to top of saddle measurement.
- move to clipless pedals as soon as you can.
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: FirstCFbike on May 23, 2017, 09:52:09 AM
It looks very good! Congrats.

I like the 3K matte finish. A few thoughts:
- The bike should not feel harsh. I suspect that this comes from the tires. Use good quality, expensive, 25 mm tires, inflated low enough and it should be a smooth ride. The tire is your only contact with the road; as high quality the rest of the bike is, this is what ensures grip and damping. I like the Schwalbe Pro One mounted tubeless. Continental tires are known to be too rigid.
- make sure to adjust your saddle height properly. It should be higher then a MTB. Move it up gradually, it might feel odd at first but then you understand that this is how you can push strong. I use the formula inseam x 0.883 for the BB to top of saddle measurement.
- move to clipless pedals as soon as you can.

Thank you!! 

On the road feel.  I think it was more of a newbie first ride on a bike like this... remember where I come from in terms of riding  ;D 

I went with the Continental Gatorskin for road puncture protection... I would love to have an additional set of wheels with lighter tires/tubes.... maybe later when the wallet heals.

On saddle adjustment.  Well, overall bike fitting.  I used this to select frame size

https://www.competitivecyclist.com/Store/catalog/fitCalculatorBike.jsp

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/Screen%20Shot%202017-04-13%20at%206.18.34%20PM_zps7wrenohh.png)


And then used a few videos on setting seat height and seatback, etc.  Got a goniometer to measure the angle of my legs and adjusted the seat height.  And I had a plomb to determine the seatback.


https://youtu.be/oxNznrlRXGU

https://youtu.be/oE3XyTXUIxU


On the clipless... I have the shoes and pedals... just a bit afraid of using them from the start and falling... will try them out this weekend.  Got some liner chamois short to use under my normal shorts... that will help with getting used to the seat and ride...

Baby steps... getting there :)
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: FirstCFbike on May 23, 2017, 10:52:13 AM
I also ordered some mirrors.  Went with these.  Did not feel good riding without being able to see behind me.

Sprintech Roadbike Review Mirrors (Pair) (http://"https://www.amazon.com/Sprintech-Drop-Mirror-Black-Pair/dp/B00168K3IY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1495554158&sr=8-2&keywords=sprintech+drop+bar+mirror")
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: SportingGoods on May 23, 2017, 11:34:51 AM
Tubeless is all you want for puncture protection. I highly recommend Schwalbe Pro One mounted tubeless as they offer everything: puncture resistance, super smooth ride, low weight.

And for the mirror... I will just refer to this: http://www.velominati.com/the-rules/#66  ;D
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: FirstCFbike on May 23, 2017, 12:06:45 PM
...And for the mirror... I will just refer to this: http://www.velominati.com/the-rules/#66  ;D

hahahahahahahah reminded me of this movie...

https://youtu.be/AjGXn249Fc0
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: RoadClimber on May 23, 2017, 11:39:31 PM
Congrats!

I see you finally finished building your bike. Get used to the pedals and do not be afraid of falling onto the floor. It may happen but you have to try them.
Let us know how it goes.

Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: FirstCFbike on May 24, 2017, 10:23:55 AM
Congrats!

I see you finally finished building your bike. Get used to the pedals and do not be afraid of falling onto the floor. It may happen but you have to try them.
Let us know how it goes.

I will try those this weekend... holding on to a car or something...

On other news.  Stopped by the local shop and got a front light...

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/90C94AB7-0A93-4489-B50A-259707A43674_zpsx0yoclx2.jpg)

Do not mock my tape wrapping skills  :D :P
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: FirstCFbike on May 24, 2017, 01:52:58 PM
Hi FirstCFbike:

I sent you private messages. Hope you can answer those questions.

Thanks,

RoadClimber

I just sent you a PM... reach out to the vendor for this.

Well... I was not happy with how the  front derailleur cable was going into just a hole behind the seat tube, this just stayed in the back of my mind... Went to the local shop and sure enough... it should have a cable guide (grommet) .  Similar to this:

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/Front%20Derailleur%20Grommet%20-%20sm_zps8cds3407.jpg)

I sent an email to the vendor that sold me the frame to see if they have these and can send them as soon as possible.   

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/Front%20Derailleur%20Grommet%20Needed_zpssvpyc5jb.jpg)

I did place a cable cover on the cable to avoid direct contact with the frame... but I want the right grommet for that spot... the one I got from the local shop was a generic one they gave me to test and it does not fit...

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/3A5765C5-67C0-4E38-8B4A-D542DAE746DD_zpsiqclskut.jpg)

And no, local shop did not have the Pinarello factory units to sell separately.  They are supposed to come with the frame.  Mine being a China frame (I was open with them on this...) it is pretty much " good luck mate! ".  But they did try to help.

So email to the frame vendor and the search is on for something that fits in case the vendor is unable to provide them.
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: FirstCFbike on May 24, 2017, 03:52:59 PM
I have a friend with an F8... This is what he has... interesting...  that is not the normal cable housing.  Just a sleeve that goes into a grommet... darn it... I need to take more photos...

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/AFC12307-D130-47A3-8BFB-C11A5A812809_zpsxj8mbr7m.jpg)

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/52872DC4-1D91-432A-986B-98B8CC33CAAD_zpsiivvpsfu.jpg)

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/7099DACA-E2DD-42EE-9AD8-EBB9C3980DCD_zpsonvudaya.jpg)

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/0BA48481-83B2-40CC-999F-D268C967354D_zpsastb20gr.jpg)

and it seems to cover the bend as well...

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/5508953C-5AB2-419E-93A2-2B32A141E24B_zpsg28f2sz4.jpg)
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: FirstCFbike on May 24, 2017, 11:18:48 PM
A few things came in today:

Bottle cages

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/DA85BBE3-AD15-4839-AAFB-DFFBA8E83EA4_zpspn94clc1.jpg)

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/76382CC4-1AE9-4E3E-8A11-5415BA88E694_zpsmxatdlvu.jpg)

Wahoo Bolt

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/DF9AE327-5C34-4A31-B943-C1AC0FB02411_zpsxysfgdf7.jpg)

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/AAFA85FF-5B94-461C-B321-B048EE64674B_zps426tg50w.jpg)

Sensors installed

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/4325C9DC-F10D-4AA8-ABDC-0FB1E93CD6C3_zpslmrbqttz.jpg)

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/31FDAD46-F964-4536-84F5-B8C29E7CAE38_zpssbftfjuf.jpg)

Also took a few photos of my front derailleur cable...

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/ED573686-F625-416D-B197-6F26ABF220CC_zpst7mitm4b.jpg)

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/9D0E49CF-A1B5-4845-8B9A-59D165A0D0BB_zpsb343qh9y.jpg)

Ordered some Jagwire Black Housing Liner (30 meters roll) and added some Jagwire Inline Index Detent Adjusters as well... Taking into account some of the recommendations made by a few fellow members and to improve the way the front derailleur cable goes in.

With the longer cable liner I can install everything with the liner going over the bottom piece like my friend's F8

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/08872F46-0322-40D2-9D84-650DDC9EA637_zpsq1xrukcp.jpg)


Better to do this now (rain scheduled for the weekend helps in the decision, lol )
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: FirstCFbike on May 25, 2017, 09:24:01 AM
Fully loaded photo... 20.13 lbs - again... I was not shooting for any particular weight target... just sharing total weight of the build.

Wahoo Bolt and sensors
Lights
Tool bag full of essentials
Water cages and bottles
Heavy normal pedals (I have the Ultegra pedals that I will test this weekend)
Wheels with tires, inner tubes, and skewers are 5.5lbs alone!  But I need those for now for my heavy a*s*s*

Maybe when I loose the 50lbs again, I can worry about weight reduction on the bike :D

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/D0A03F0F-F449-46AD-A3C0-808997A45858_zpst4uyj4of.jpg)
Title: Re: F10 T1000 Feedback
Post by: FirstCFbike on May 25, 2017, 08:10:00 PM
Now I am done (with the exception of swapping pedals this weekend)....

Mirrors installed

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/Road%20Bike/B604EB1B-549F-4D29-857E-B696FFDBC7E4_zpslytnw1i4.jpg)

I feel much better now.  Even if it goes against rule 66.  :P

http://www.velominati.com/the-rules/#66