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Chinese Carbon MTB => 29er => Topic started by: circoloco on September 20, 2017, 02:45:59 AM
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As the beautiful lcfs911 frame (which looks exactly like the Scott Spark, but with a different head tube angle and 10mm longer chainstays) is not available in XL
just got word from Yishuns sister company - no XL version available :(
I'm now looking at the Hongfu HF-FM058 which clones the Scott Spark geometry, but not it's looks:
http://www.hongfu-bikes.com/html_Products/Mountain_Frame/650B_29ER_Plus_Frame/2017/0622/482.html
(http://www.hongfu-bikes.com/uploads/allimg/170622/1-1F622102T91.jpg)
What do you think? 435mm chain stays sounds great, weight (1750+/-40g) is really low (too low?). Is the 69° HT angle still fashionable in 2018? BB92 will make me buy yet another pair of cranks. Plus, it says 21" is available, but they only sell 15, 17 and 19" on aliexpress. I'll find out.
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I really like the frame....
maybe run a 120mm front suspension and you will get a slacker HA? that is what I was planning. Aliexpress rep for TanTan cycling said 1 month for this frame.
It comes with a boost and non boost triangle.
I am worried which cranks to run with the boost triangle, but keen to run a bike which can have 27.5+ and 29er tyres.
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Me too. 120mm Fork could be a solution for more slack, BB drop is 50mm so this should still be fine, 20mm in the front will only result in 8-10mm reduced BB drop.
Which rear shock size would you choose - 165*38mm or 190*44mm? What's more common, are there pros and cons?
Did TanTan say you can use 27.5 and 29 on the same frame? They listed those as two different frame options on their site.
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I think the dual shock stuff is a mistake in the marketing material, I dont know how it can fit both.
TanTan didnt say you can use both wheels on the same frame, but the only difference between the two models appears to be the rear triangle width. In this case it makes sense going with the boost and running both 27.5 and 29er on a wider hub.
http://www.tantancycling.com/index.php?_m=mod_product&_a=view&p_id=567
http://www.tantancycling.com/index.php?_m=mod_product&_a=view&p_id=568
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So you think the different parameters in wheelbase or reach result from the wheel sizes? But why on earth is the 650b version *longer* than the 29er? TT and Chainstay are identical...
(https://i.imgur.com/aBGkGYq.png)
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mmm... I didnt see those differences but I would still choose the 27.5+ with the longer wheel base and I am sure it could run 29" tyres.
someone has to bite the bullet :)
lets try get Lisa online to explain :)
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Absolutely ;)
I wrote HF an email this morning with a couple of questions, boost and non-boost as well. Let’s see how they explain everything. I don’t think they use different main frames for 650b and 29, just the rear triangle.
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This frame look perfect except for one thing....2.2 MAX tire width. I can live with a BB92 instead of BSA but such a narow tire width isn't appealing at all.
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Hoping the boost rear will run something bigger
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hello guys , this is lisa . come from tantan factory . we have many new frame mould . we also have FM078 and FM058 Frame . good quality . good service .
this is our website: www.tantancycling.com
my email: info@tantancycling.com
skype: lisa-cycle .
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Thanks Lisa, but we’re looking for lightweight full suspension frames, not cyclocross or 650b hardtail.
@everybody else: I got an answer from hongfu - no XL/21“ version either :((((
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So, has anyone on here got one of these frames? I can't seem to find anyone on here with one.
It seems like some people have been scared off by the rear tyre clearance, but it might be not as much an issue as first thought.
for potential M06 owners, why would you go the M06 over the FM058, when you are after a XC race bike, and don't need boost rear spacing?
the overall geometry seems about the same (similar chainstay, 68.5vs69HA), but the FM058 seems a bit lighter.
I recently came across that french light bikes forum, and there are a few now with the FM058. One even has switched to a FM058 from a M06, but google translate is not making it clear to me what the reasons were for the switch. and it seems that 2.25 tyres fit, which is enough for me. now, they have an "SL" version (T800 carbon), which one guy has received and weighed to be just on 1700g (15.5", no shock or shock bolts).
any reason why so little FM058 love on here? is the M06 just getting more attention from XC racers because it has been around longer?
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is the M06 just getting more attention from XC racers because it has been around longer?
Most likely this, a year ago almost nobody here had any experience with either of frames. If I knew FM058 was ~300g lighter, I'd go that route instead of M06. If fly/sky weight rims are any indication, we might see even lighter frames in several years, on par with high end brand frames, like what happened with MTB rims. Here's a quote from conversations with Carbonbycicle.cc to prove the point, it's about road rims but I'm sure it's a sign of a bigger trend:
Yes, more Windweight road rims could appear in the near future, we think.We have to develop the technology into different rims step by step. That needs a lot of energy and investment for lay-up designs and testing.MTB rim's world market was expanding much faster than Road rim's. So, most Chinese manufacturers chose MTB rim first, for weight evaluation work.
We'll tell you that, someday when we have the windweight you want on road rims.
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Thanks Lisa, but we’re looking for lightweight full suspension frames, not cyclocross or 650b hardtail.
@everybody else: I got an answer from hongfu - no XL/21“ version either :((((
If you're going to respond to Lisa/TanTan, you should at least check out their site and realize that they make a <2000g Scott Spark replica.
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If anyone's interested, I've asked Hongfu about 19" FM-058: the price is 650USD and weight is in 1800±40g range.
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Check out this rad FM058 build posted on WW (http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=148902).
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Seems this is one of the few 29er Boost frames that can run 120mm fork without messing up the xc-ish geometry. But my main question: are the rear shock options that fit actually working in unison with the frame design or are they simply a matter of "if it fits, make it work". When Scott sells a frame with a rear shock it's been rigorously tested. Will the FM-058 perform similarly with whatever Monarch XX or Fox Evol?
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It appears that the FM058 has been rechristened as the "FM258." There's no difference between the two, and it is still possible to find the product page for the FM058 through a Google search. I sent Hongfu an email asking if the new frame was finally available in size 21", but the Lunar New Year shutdown is in full effect until the 26th of this month.
http://www.hongfu-bikes.com/html_Products/Mountain_Frame/29ER_Mountain_Frame/2017/0622/482.html (http://www.hongfu-bikes.com/html_Products/Mountain_Frame/29ER_Mountain_Frame/2017/0622/482.html)
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I see they still offer the 58', and the new one has the barake in the seatstay instead of the chainstay. I have no clue if this is good or bad, given that the rear end has to flex when the suspension moves...
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It appears that the FM058 has been rechristened as the "FM258." There's no difference between the two, and it is still possible to find the product page for the FM058 through a Google search. I sent Hongfu an email asking if the new frame was finally available in size 21", but the Lunar New Year shutdown is in full effect until the 26th of this month.
The geometry of FM258 is identical to 2017 FM058, but they changed the top tube to make it a 100% Scott Spark sibling. I like the new shape and if they finally create a 21" version, it may be the one for me. Even though I still don't understand the 2.2 tire clearance. At least make it 2.35"!
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The geometry of FM258 is identical to 2017 FM058, but they changed the top tube to make it a 100% Scott Spark sibling. I like the new shape and if they finally create a 21" version, it may be the one for me. Even though I still don't understand the 2.2 tire clearance. At least make it 2.35"!
According to Tom, whose FM058 build was posted at the top of this page, there's enough room for 2.25" and maybe 2.35" tires on moderately wide rims. I am confident that the FM258 will be offered in size 21", since the Spanish brand Megamo will soon sell it under the name "Track." Size 21" is listed in the geometry chart on their website. I'm still not enthusiastic about the Boost rear axle. The description on Hongfu website might say 142x12, but their Alibaba store states the frame will be Boost.
https://www.megamo.com/m_en/3298/track.html (https://www.megamo.com/m_en/3298/track.html)
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Boost and fitting a Fox EVOL would make it an option for me. With 120 F34 fork the geometry looks good.
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The geometry of FM258 is identical to 2017 FM058, but they changed the top tube to make it a 100% Scott Spark sibling. I like the new shape and if they finally create a 21" version, it may be the one for me. Even though I still don't understand the 2.2 tire clearance. At least make it 2.35"!
According to Tom, whose FM058 build was posted at the top of this page, there's enough room for 2.25" and maybe 2.35" tires on moderately wide rims. I am confident that the FM258 will be offered in size 21", since the Spanish brand Megamo will soon sell it under the name "Track." Size 21" is listed in the geometry chart on their website. I'm still not enthusiastic about the Boost rear axle. The description on Hongfu website might say 142x12, but their Alibaba store states the frame will be Boost.
https://www.megamo.com/m_en/3298/track.html (https://www.megamo.com/m_en/3298/track.html)
Hong Fu told me they have 29er 142x12, 650b boost and 29er boost. Their site is now updated.
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142*12 is not boost.
Boost is 148*12
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142*12 is not boost.
Boost is 148*12
Yep. And I wrote they have a 142x12, a 650 boost and a 29er boost.
But as of this morning the 29er boost is not available until May at earliest.
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Ok sorry
Bad Reading
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Yep. And I wrote they have a 142x12, a 650 boost and a 29er boost.
But as of this morning the 29er boost is not available until May at earliest.
Is this rear spacing information for the FM258 or FM058?
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Yep. And I wrote they have a 142x12, a 650 boost and a 29er boost.
But as of this morning the 29er boost is not available until May at earliest.
Is this rear spacing information for the FM258 or FM058?
I was told the May date for boost 29er.
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I want one of these. I think this will be my next build. I'd go with the 29r 142x12 frame. Maybe some time this summer.