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Chinese Carbon MTB => 29er => Topic started by: Golo777 on July 13, 2014, 01:26:53 PM
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Hi! New to this Forum, but already like it! I own a Airborne New Goblin 29er; fine bike and well-equpped for the money, but the aluminum frame is poorly finished and ride is harsh. Only upgrades were the Mavic Cr29ssMax, and a Thomson seatpost. Thinking of buying a 056 frame (quick release) and swapping all components possible to the new frame, plus adding a carbon seatpost. Seeking advice from Forum members if anyone has attempted this before, and whether there are any other parts that must be changed for the frame swap.
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Hi Golo,
welcome.
When you choose another frame, you have pay attention to the following part:
- Bottom bracket: BSA/PF30/BB30 etc
- Quick release / 12x142 / 10x135
- Front derailleur: how is it currently mounted, can you reuse the same type of FD
- Fork: your fork is shortened. Does if fit in the frame with (maybe) different head tube length
- Geometry: compare it to you current geometry. You cannot doing a test ride ....
- Seatpost: diameter of the seat post tube
- Maybe you will need new cables because some are too short
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Thanks MTB.
Another question. Would the 056 handle my weight: 210lbs?
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Thanks MTB.
Another question. Would the 056 handle my weight: 210lbs?
That's not a problem. 210lbs isn't that heavy ;)
The question is: can your wheels handle your weight. Some wheels have weight limits. But, you're using your current wheels, so this isn't a problem.
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Thanks! Some other questions, for both the 256SL, and the 056 frames:
What is the front derrailleur type and diameter?
What is the standover height for the 15.5, 17.5 and 19 inch frame sizes? I read somewhere about someone surprised about how little clearance they had once assembled , even with the sloping top tube.
What is the reccomended headset brand?
I am serious about assembling this bike, but since I have already several other name brands ( Epic 29er, Roubaix Comp, Motobecane 29er, and other oldies) I want to make sure my Airborne NewGoblin parts fit the XMIPlay frame before placin the order.
Thanks for your great support, MTB. Any other advisors?
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The 056/057 frames use a 34.9 mm clamp on front der and the cable comes from the top. Not sure about the size of the Goblin tube, but it is the same style front derailleur as the 056/057.
The 256 has a direct mount front, and the cable comes from below which is different from the Goblin frame. You could probably get it to work, but it is a different setup.
Looks like the Goblin also has a tapered headtube, so you should be OK there. The small 056/057 and 256 are 105 mm long, but the other sizes are longer, up to 135 mm. The Airborne page shows all Goblin sizes with a 110 mm headtube length and a couple of spacers, so as long as you didn't shorten the steer tube you should be OK.
The IP-256 drawing I got from iPlay doesn't show standover, but for the 056/057 it is 769, 805, and 826 mm or 30.3, 31.7, and 32.5 inches respectively. I would like a bit more, but I haven't smacked my nads on the top tube yet.
I have the Necco headset that IPlay sells. Some don't like it, but it works for me so far.
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Thanks! I am leaning to the 056 since I already have the Cr29ssMax quick release wheels . Very helpful info! I will print both sketches and compare them. My Goblin is 18" so preliminarily it may be the 17.5 in the 056. Will let you guys know how it goes. Thanks.
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You should be able to get either frame with the 135 mm QR dropouts- mine is an 057 with the QR dropouts.
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Hmmmm . I need to some more homework. I had the impression that the QR vs through-axle was the only difference between a 056 and the 057!
I will read the fine-print!!
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It is a bit confusing..
- First, there was the 056 with QR, and the 057 was the through axle version.
- Then, it went to just the 057 and you could choose between QR and though-axle.
- But, the 056 still hangs around as the exact frame as to confuse people.
At least, I think that's the case. Lol.
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I was told by Peter that you order the IP-057 and specify the dropout style you want. Forget about the IP-056 I guess.
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I would get with Airborne about their headset size.
These(chinese frames), as has been said many times over, use a 'campy' style....size IS42 top and IS52 bottom
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OK Thanks everyone. Some further info shared by Peter today:
IP-057 and IP-056 are same frame, the only difference is IP-056 is with aluminum dropout for QR only, IP-057 is for replaceable dropouts for QR and 142x12
IP-057 frame and IP-056 frame are with all inner cable routing.
IP-029 is with external brakes cable routing and for QR only
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Another question: as far as frame size, for a 5'-11.5" rider, 32" inseam pant's size, would a 19 inch frame that shows a stand-over height of 826.9 ( 32.5"), be OK? ( A 17.5 shows a Stand-over height of 31.7").
What's the experience out there ?
Is the IP-057 really that tall? Other frame dimensions on the sketch seem to indicate that generally they match other mainstream brands, except on the stand-over height where they show unusually tall measures..
Actual users' experience? Deciding between a 17.5 and a 19" now.
Thanks
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On my 19" IP-057, with my tire sidewall height, I get a stand over measurement of 31.5"-32.0", depending on where you measure. The top tube is curved and it depends on how far away from the seat that you measure.
I'm 5'-11" with a 32" inseam and have no problem with the stand over height that I have.
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Thanks CD....
One additional Q: Last night I placed the order with XMIplay via PayPal. PayPal charged me directly a fee of almost 4% (3.95 aprox). In the end, XMI received their net payment ,but without the 4% they wanted me to include in the order, which I paid directly. Is this typical in the way you have been deaing with payments to xMI, or you send a payment for the items' total plus the 4% and Then XMI pays PayPal? I could not find any other option to pay but the way I did.
Peter replied that my payment was incomplete, and he wanted me to include the 4%, but that would raise my payment over the quantity invoiced by XMI . I am waiting on Peter's response currently.
Forum member's experience?
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I have always paid the agreed upon amount which included the 4% paypal fee, which would net the amount XMIplay wants for the parts and shipping. If there is a shortage you need to confirm the amounts with Peter.
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Ok I see. I will contact PayPal to see what went different. I had no option but to pay the fee and only the net for the items and shipping was paid to XMI. We'll see,
Tks!
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Peter always asks for the total plus 4%. Paypal automatically takes the 4% from the money before giving it to the vendor (iplay). So yes, Peter got the correct amount and has "paid" Paypal. This is pretty standard when dealing with vendors using Paypal. I do the same on things that I sell.
I think you're good to go!
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Ok. Vip. I will wait for Peter to wake up later today and look at my Emails. We'll see..i think it may have to do with selecting as method for payment " Make Payment" instead of selecting "Send Money".
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Ah, perhaps that's it. I always select the "Send Money" option.
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Ok. It went through Ok . It sems both options are fine, with Make Payment you end up paying PayPal their fee directly. Now I wait and let you know how it goes!
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FYI - I'm curious how your build goes. The reason I'm curious is I'm about to start getting into mtn biking from road biking and I'm considering on purchasing for my first bike, a Airborne Guardian 2.0 29er. After maybe a year or two of getting more into it, I'd like to eventually purchase a carbon frame and build up using the parts on my Airborne.
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Tenazrael: Have not posted in over 4 months, but to answer your q, build went smooth, all components from the Airborne fit the 057. The only tricky part was cutting the hydraulic hoses to pull them through the frame. Saved over 1 lb, and with some Cr29erMax we had it has turned out really well, and feels more comfortable .