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Chinese Carbon MTB => 29er => Topic started by: Arraider on January 04, 2015, 05:21:03 AM
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Hi guys, i had a Chinese 26 carbon frame and loved it, so i decided to go for a Chinese 29er. Put the bike for sale but no one grabbed it. So decided to only sell some parts, and keep some that i could use on the new bike, and in less than a month everything was sold.
Ordered the frame from Xmiplay, had loads of problems with local customs but a month later i go it. Just ordered the missing parts. So the complete picture is gonna be this:
(http://s30.postimg.org/fcmuba7y9/Untitled.png)
9.2 Kgs or 20.28 pounds. Later i want to convert to 1*11 but for now this will do.
I'm gonna post pictures soon, weights (as all the red parts are not weighed by me as i don't have them yet). But i kind wanted some help because the idea was to assemble it myself, it's not like this is my first rodeo, but i never assembled one bike from zero.
Never messed with BB30 bottom brackets before, how difficult is it? anyone got a good DIY video?
Another question is from where to start? i never did this from zero and it might seem silly but i got some problems imagining what needs to come 1st and so one. Do i go for the BB 1st, then internal cables, then i need derailleurs, suspension, handlebar to know where to cut then,...
Also i got some lose tips. I guess the neco headset must go, the bottom door must be sealed in order not to enter the water and dirt, the brake line inside the frame but be involved in foam in order no to make noise. Anything else?
Have a nice 2015, lots of fun riding and hope to get some help and return with some low cost project descripton
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Hi Arraider, welcome to Chinertown! Where are you located? Just wondering since you said you had problems with customs.
As for your build, looks like you will have everything you need.
Most people start with the Headset and BB first and go from there.
Good luck and we look forward to seeing picture of a finished product!
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one other doubt, should i go straight to drilling the cable stops for a full encased gear cable or try to see if the naked cable inside the frame works fine. Kind of worried about water and mud getting inside and/or having the cable loose inside the frame
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BB30 is pretty easy to work
You need to get the clips set in first - a needle nose pliers work good for this
You can buy many different tools to help with the pressing of the bearings but all you need is a bolt and washers see here:
https://nuxx.net/gallery/v/acquired_stuff/salsa_mukluk_2/IMG_6908.jpg.html
here is a video of bearing on a bmx bike - same concept though:
http://www.vitalbmx.com/forums/General-BMX-Talk,2/How-to-make-a-homemade-bearing-press,310190
Next time I do it, I have purchased adapters: http://www.ebay.com/itm/BB30-Bottom-Bracket-Press-Adapters-/291234751511
I had a problem getting them to go in straight - part of that was I did both sides at the same time.
I don't think I would take on drilling out your frame right away...being relatively new to building a bike, I would get it built and ridden a little before going after the frame with a drill and such.
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thanks brmeyer :D
some photos, more to come... including the frame. This batch are the components that came from the predecessor...
xt cassette 11-34 (not new, but almost, under 1000kms, most part on asphalt)
(http://s22.postimg.org/4ptmnt7v5/cassete_xt_11_34.jpg)
xt chain (the same as the cassette)
(http://s21.postimg.org/s5s85e3rr/corrente_xt.jpg)
X0 crankset 2*10 175mm BB30
(http://s4.postimg.org/c8ddx5zwt/crancks.jpg)
xt rear dérailleur (the oldest component, this it's 3rd bike now). Must clean it...
(http://s17.postimg.org/ju4z2fnyn/desv_traseiro_xt.jpg)
Selle Italia SLR XC
(http://s27.postimg.org/ogxiwcn43/slr.jpg)
KCNC Seatpost
(http://s4.postimg.org/foeoy7bwt/espigao.jpg)
xt brake disc 160
(http://s24.postimg.org/r75al0qx1/Untitled.jpg)
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Santa has just arrived, i guess he must have some reindeer problem 8)
(http://s16.postimg.org/qy0bla0h1/DSCF1322.jpg)
SRAM BB30
(http://s12.postimg.org/kfppsw3hp/DSCF1323.jpg)
Rocket Ron 29 2.25 Evo (some weird weight difference between the 2 ??? )
(http://s17.postimg.org/sj00wep7z/DSCF1324.jpg)
(http://s22.postimg.org/vq4t2lytt/DSCF1325.jpg)
XT ispec Shifters
(http://s17.postimg.org/s19guap0v/DSCF1326.jpg)
(http://s16.postimg.org/jlzgth7mt/DSCF1327.jpg)
RS SID RCT3 100 29 15QR (weight with maxle include - i have no ideia how to remove it ;D Later will try again)
(http://s13.postimg.org/emun3a693/DSCF1328.jpg)
(http://s7.postimg.org/blrpbimd7/DSCF1329.jpg)
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I'd say that 6g between the tires is perfectly fine. Difference over 20g wold be weird. Looking forward to the final build ;)
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meanwhile the helicopter has arrived as well, only a few things missing. Worst part is that the 2nd shipment from xmiplay also got stopped in customs (Bert got the order wrong and sent 135 dropouts and i had ordered 142, so i purchased a handlebar and rear maxle and he sent the dropouts, he should have at least assumed the shipping cost but made me pay for the dropout and shipping, but i may need him later for warranty so no point in starting wars)...
stay tunned 8)
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I just got the new Xmiplay shipment 8)
the thing to protect the frame from the chain
(http://s30.postimg.org/seqrli3tt/DSCF1341.jpg)
the headset top (it's carbon, very nice finishing. I did not request the brand, it was a bonus i guess ;D )
(http://s9.postimg.org/92tyuc6q7/DSCF1339.jpg)
the 142 dropout set
(http://s12.postimg.org/bf1qc2jbx/DSCF1338.jpg)
Note: if anyone cares, the 135 dropout set is 37gr (have one to sell 8) )
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... continuing...
the spacer kit
(http://s12.postimg.org/nvq0g9kyl/DSCF1340.jpg)
IP-B04 (700mm)... i got cut it, way to enormous... to a 680mm ;D Loved the matte finishing, top notch quality
(http://s4.postimg.org/hq8cetcm5/DSCF1342.jpg)
and the frame (19.5) - A bit on the heavy side compared to others i seen, but i guess is quality improvements 8) 8) 8)
(http://s2.postimg.org/9vvdr7sk9/DSCF1333.jpg)
(http://s7.postimg.org/n8hlk58cb/DSCF1334.jpg)
(http://s3.postimg.org/k7rpssu7n/DSCF1335.jpg)
(http://s1.postimg.org/66l1k0hv3/DSCF1336.jpg)
(http://s12.postimg.org/korc29s2l/DSCF1337.jpg)
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dropout screws, i read something about low quality, didn't find that, light and good quality. Aluminum
(http://s11.postimg.org/xqjgbjosj/DSCF1330.jpg)
DM screws, this are low quality, heavy and the magnet stuck to them with full force. Don't know if they will rust but i'm not gonna give them even the benefit of the doubt
(http://s29.postimg.org/46acj4mg7/DSCF1332.jpg)
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:) fantastic, waiting for the bike pictures!!
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Thanks Bert, this is the result of 72 mails we exchanged 8)
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sid maxle lite
(http://s21.postimg.org/u0et8zbg7/sid_maxle_lite.jpg)
still don't have all the puzzle parts, so i cannot go much furter on the assembly.
(http://s8.postimg.org/rpuybu8dh/DSCF1345.jpg)
have a nice weekend... the final pieces should arrive tomorrow. Fingers crossed.
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TA 38T 120BCD
(http://s27.postimg.org/4wknift2r/TA_38.jpg)
front derailleur XT DM E2
(http://s28.postimg.org/jh0tal31p/dev_frt_xt_dm_b.jpg)
almost gotta everything... :(
those front shifter screws that come with the frame seem way to big in order for me to put there the 24Teeth chainring... gotta find anothers around the "home shop"
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hi guys i need some help, almost going crazy with the rear brake... :-[ :-[ :-[
I hope i can explain this as English is not my 1st language...my problem is the frame supports for the rear brake. they make some strange angle, if i unscrew both screws a little everything is fine, i spin the wheel and no problem, but as soon as i tight either screw the brake caliper starts to tilt and it gets a angle and with either screw or both screwed i cannot get the rotor to spin freely... anyone got this problem.
I tried, my mechanic tried and nothing...
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the supports for the brake caliper are crooked, the inside part is lower than the outside and the caliper gets angle... i did not deserve this...
i put a nylon washer i had just on the inside part of the supports (not on the srew, just on the outside and between the screw and the support), to "uncrooke", or to compensate the "crookness" and it bloody works, but i cannot see a solution for this OMG!
this is the result without any compensation
(http://s14.postimg.org/gmcpsg1z5/DSCF1359.jpg)
in the photo attached you can see the caliper crooked and like this there is no way i can ride the bike, the rotor scraches constantly the inside of the caliper, on the top on the outside and on the bottom on the inside.
the supports on the frame for the caliper are tilted for the inside, crooked, they are higher on the ouside then on the inside, when you fasten the screw it all goes weel until you get to the end and it forces the caliper and the face of the support to touch, the caliper starts to tilt to the inside and from there all goes wrong.
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Hmm. Are u missing the cone washers?
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Interesting, glad you brought it here.
First, this is a known good caliper?
If so, do you have a dremel type tool with grinding wheel?
I would look to do something like that to get the angle needed.
Or, work with the seller.
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I would ask the frame seller to send you a dimensioned drawing of your frame so you can check and see if the caliper mounting bosses are the correct height. Seems like there should be a dimension you could check, a distance from the rear axle line to the top of the caliper mounts.
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OUtriding, English is not my 1st language, but i googled cone washers and i have no idea what cone washers should i have or where to apply them?!
brmeyer135, yes it is a good caliper, it was mounted with success on 2 previous bikes, and when i removed it it was religiously stored. The rotor has no problem either i checked. I taught of doing something like that, but the inside angle is common to both screw supports (at least it's coherent i guess) and i don't know if i can level them without making thing worse (in reality worse is really hard as i cannot ride like this), but you guys get my point)
Carbon_Dude that's a very good idea, will definitely do that
i just had to go there after and look more into it, disbelieve i guess, and the rotor and the screw (just putting in the screw without the caliper) are not parallel. And if i just screw everything with the caliper and all, the rotor touches the inside of the caliper, and you can hear a screeching sound when you press the brakes because of the angle the caliper forces the rotor to bend. For me there is no doubt as to what is wrong
thanks to all ;) I have no idea what to do... i had everything mounted, it will be a pain to remove everything and send it back, and not feeling really good about starting to mess with the frame especially when it involves brakes, if it where something else....
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Now that you are saying that the screw is not in straight/parallel - that is a return to vendor to me...get some pictures and you should have no problem.
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yes, it's my best bet also.
I'm still gonna try somethings to relieve my conscience that i'm not crazy, try some other caliper and try some washer that are higher on one side then the other, but because of this i do not think they will work.
Anyone knows how this returns usually work with the Chinese vendors? Do they assume the freight charges both way?
my bad luck... :( :( :( :(
Just out of curiosity how can this happen, i have no idea what the construction process of a carbon frame involves?!
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No problem...
I might have used the wrong term..
This is what I was thinking of... and I did not see them in your pic..
http://www.parktool.com/uploads/images/blog/repair_help/avid-hydro-672.jpg
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ok mine are shimano xt, they do not use them. ;)
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Can the mount surfaces be sanded flatter so that the brake can sit flatter? In wondering if the mount is correct but the final finishing level of paint/resin is uneven.
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yes vipssana it's a common suggested solution, the problem is that the place where the screw enters the frame is also tilted, i don't know if just sanding the surface will work
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Ah, in that case you might be out of luck. :-\
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i guess this is the best way to show my problem, no words needed... :(
(http://s8.postimg.org/r73gra68l/DSCF1373.jpg)
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i guess this is the best way to show my problem, no words needed... :(
oh man, that doesn't look good.
Are you sure there isn't a problem in the dropouts ?
Otherwise, it's a production failure. I hope you can solve this problem without any costs.
It's now to XMIPlay to show how good their service is ...
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i guess this is the best way to show my problem, no words needed... :(
oh man, that doesn't look good.
Are you sure there isn't a problem in the dropouts ?
Otherwise, it's a production failure. I hope you can solve this problem without any costs.
It's now to XMIPlay to show how good their service is ...
Agreed, that's no good at all. :( Doubt it could be a problem in the dropouts or something like that - if the wheel wasn't set well enough that the disk was shifted that much the tire would very likely be rubbing in the frame.
According to their own site:
(http://www.xmiplay.com/Upload/images/warranty.jpg)
That's found on this page (http://www.xmiplay.com/ProductDetails1691)
I'd be very interested to hear how it goes for you, since I'm pretty close to making a purchase.
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by now i tried everything, taught of everything, really exasperating, the bike is ready and can't ride it.
I even got a spare set of dropouts, and the wheel is in place, tried 2 rotors, 2 calipers, i tried everything.
to solved i taught of :
-sanding of filling the surface of the mounts but the screw is tilted also so i do not think it will work.
-using some avid cone washers, but that would raise the caliper too much and the pads would only touch a fraction of the rotor and i do not know if it will work either, on top the washers tilted rub the rotor, i would have to be incredibly creative.
-using an adapter and using 180mm rotor (thats the rotor you see on the last picture, mine is a xt 160) but with that angle the higher the screw the worse it gets, tighter angle.
-the best solution was presented by a friend, that with special qbolt glue of some sort you fill the screw hole and create a new one (it's very hard for me to explain this in English). But it's also hard, time consuming, very precise and i have to pay someone to do it, and of course the results are not guaranteed
I talked with Bert at Xmiplay about the return and to get a new one. Waiting for a reply, we have a huge time zone difference. To be fair i guess i would not have to pay for either shipping to or from China. I already paid shipping i did not have to pay as i had to make a new order because they sent the wrong dropouts and made me pay for both shipping costs and the dropout :( Besides the money i spent already on helicopter tape (already installed) and for mechanic as i needed help with some things, but that is not a problem. Shipping is.
I will tell you guys whats happen.
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I'd be talking to the vendor about exchanging the frame, that is clear manufacturing defect. Otherwise you will need to create a shim (basically as you have already done) to get it to work.
XMIplay is usually very good to work with. They should pay for shipping of the new frame to you as well as return shipping if they want the defective frame back. Good luck, let us know if the exchange goes smoothly.
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in this case if they assume the problem they have to get the frame back because my customs make me sent the frame back in order to get a new one if it is the case. Otherwise is just a new import and i have to pay VAT again. :P
And if i sent it to China it costs more then double the freight charges that they pay to sent from China to my country, and mind you they sent EMS and i'm talking normal shipping :o
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the supports for the brake caliper are crooked, the inside part is lower than the outside and the caliper gets angle... i did not deserve this...
i put a nylon washer i had just on the inside part of the supports (not on the srew, just on the outside and between the screw and the support), to "uncrooke", or to compensate the "crookness" and it bloody works, but i cannot see a solution for this OMG!
this is the result without any compensation
(http://s14.postimg.org/gmcpsg1z5/DSCF1359.jpg)
in the photo attached you can see the caliper crooked and like this there is no way i can ride the bike, the rotor scraches constantly the inside of the caliper, on the top on the outside and on the bottom on the inside.
the supports on the frame for the caliper are tilted for the inside, crooked, they are higher on the ouside then on the inside, when you fasten the screw it all goes weel until you get to the end and it forces the caliper and the face of the support to touch, the caliper starts to tilt to the inside and from there all goes wrong.
Hi, dear Mr Arraider, I am so sorry to heard that bad news, both we want everything is ok, unfortunately, we come upon this time.....actually, I should tell everybody here, our frames, every one been tested and passed the brake test. we screwed brake on the frames!!! Surley I do not want to pass the buck to anybody or anything, but do you mind confirm something?
1. did you use the right tools?
2. did you screw the bolts violently when it is not smoomthly, especially the firt time? because the thread will be broken when you do like that, and never been paired.
I think everyone here know this truth that the IP-256SL is a good frame, man. what we can do is how to slove this problem since it happened, isn't it?
So sorry for my words, surley we will try our best to serve for you guys, actually, we are doing now. thanks .
Bert
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No need to apologize for the English Bertz. I'm just glad you're willing to come out in the open and try to address this issue in public forum. Usually, sellers want to handle these matters privately but there is nothing to hide. All of us here know that in manufacturing these things are going to happen with ANYTHING you buy.. What's important is that the seller remain open, honest, and communicate so we can all see that if this happens to us - We'll be taken care of. Hopefully, this can be resolved in a way that's fair for everyone.
Again, thanks for being willing to talk about this openly, and participating in the forum. Makes me feel much more comfortable ordering from you guys.
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Bert i also appreciate the reply.
I know, believe me, that this is a good frame, i read and read and read before buying, but mistakes happen, i can assure you of 2 things, i did not screw wrongly nor do i think honestly that the problem is other than the one i told here. Both screws are at that obvious angle. Even if the angle was opposite i could understand, but the way the angle is it's almost impossible to think it was badly screwed. But i also think that you have every right to be skeptical, i would be in your place.
Now like i told you this is not even your companies 1st mistake, i clearly asked in bold and underlined for a 142 frame, you sent me 135 dropouts, we talked you asked me to support freight charges or buy something else, i bought a lot more stuff, and even so you made me pay for the new dropout and for freight cost and i even had to pay VAT at customs, all things i could avoid. But i did it even if i did not think it was especially fair. You said i was a nice guy remember?
I bought a lot of stuff from Chinese vender's, i can sent to you my ebay account and very good feedback, i do not do this because i want to. I quadrupled checked or more, and not only me, but even so, I'm ready to take any more pictures, do videos, test whatever. When you get the defective frame you can see what i and others saw.
Now i have everything mounted, i will post a picture. I spent money on helicopter tape, you can see for yourself when you receive it, i used the hydraulic brake hose but i do not think it can resist a new 1cm cut, and i will probably have to buy a new one. I spent some money on a mechanic for some assembly and especially to look at this brake problem. I do not have the BB tool.
As you also now ( we talked so much about this and i appreciate all your help) my local customs are something that words can not describe and going back there is like pulling teeth. The last time i made five :o :o :o 70kms round trips with toll and diesel costs on me.
I will have to disassembly the bike and do everything all over. There is no reason for me to not be absolutely sure that there was no other way to solve this, that the problem is unequivocal. Trust me on this. And as you can see i tried everything here, on mtbr, on a local mtb forum, on friends on facebook, and the conclusion was that the problem was just to big for other alternative that do not pose too much problems, reliability, cost and even it could go wrong.
I also am not doing this to get 2 frames as i already explained either i sent this one to you or it's a new import and i have to pay VAT and custom charges again.
This is not my first chinese frame nor the first, 2nd or 3rd time i mount a bike. The last one was a AXMAN 26 frame.
Now all this to say what. Problems happen, mistakes are made, i understand that, i just want now is a fair solution, as fair as possible for both of us. As i mentioned i already payed for a 1st mistake in full, you Bert, assumed 3 usd, i payed for a new dropout in full and freight charges in full, except those 3 usd discount. You can not ask me to support the freight charges to china, i asked at the local post office, it's an insane amount of 82 euros, but like i sad there is also the Machiavelli plot twist that the my country's post office company is Chinese owned. So not even that you can input on me.
This about all i have to say.... this has been a experience where everything went wrong, everything, with customs, with you, with bike24.de (the online store) that messed up also. I'm just so tired that no words can describe. After all this ordeal, mounting everything and you could only notice this particular problem right at the end, and dying so close to the beach and having this insanely nice bike just there and not being able to ride it breaks my heart :-[ :-[ :-[
I just hope sincerely that we can get to an agreement and fast, for my part i sent you the frame but i do not think it's fair to make me pay freight charges to or from China this time. Then you can see by yourself and i will not run and be here to discuss if you think it was my fault or a production problem.
Like i proposed the best way to solve this is on a chat, some internet chat. I'm willing. I even woke up at 5 am because of time differences to solve this. We exchange some emails but still no conclusion and all very confusing.
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Sorry to hear this (again).
I had the same problem. They sent me the wrong wheel set, it was not what I ordered.
They offered me to buy a new set and sell the wrong wheel set on my own. No way I agreed that.
It was not a option for them to let me sent the wheel set back, because of the customs in China, costs 120 USD. And they won't pay me my shipping costs and my second payment to the Dutch customs.
So, after some communication on the email about their fault, costs for them, cost for me, no time to wait again (because my bike trip in Germany), etc etc, we came to a solution that was fine for both of us. I ordered a new wheel set with enough discount to my satisfaction. So, now I have laying a spare wheel set.
I've learned that the warranty / service in China isn't that great as we have over here.
The profit is low, the cost (shipping, custom, paypal) are high.
So, if you want really good service, the same as at the LBS, don't buy in China, but at your LBS and pay a lot more.
They don't realize that they can have much more business if the give good service in case of warranty or manufacturing faults.
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yes he talked to me about some custom charges of 150 USD, and i did not expected top warranty, but for the love of god i spent an insane amount of money and have not even rode once :-\ :-\ :-\
there is always compromises to be made, but i do not have any more money to spent, that's something that it will not happen, or a much, much smaller amount, 82 euros is completely out of the question. I can not do what's impossible for me. And having to buy a new helicopter tape, pay the mechanic for some help, more travel to customs, buy a new brake hose,... those are all costs that i have to endure even without paying nothing else.
i did not twist anyone's arm to sell me nothing, if i must understand their side i ask the same from them. I live in a poor country, with stupid customs also. And for China standards what i already paid could feed a small village. Like i said the 1st time they made a mistake it was all on me, and the amount in euros was pretty huge (shipping + dropout again + custom charges), i compromised like crazy already and i see no compromise on the other side.
Paypal charges they were all on me, i do not know if i has the only one, but with me i paid them, not Xmiplay. Shipping i payed everything also.
Sending me the frame i paid for it's not compromise, it's fair. If he does what's fair, we will lose freight charges both way and the chinese customs i guess. For him it should be easy to repair the frame and sell it again and recover all the money and some.
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My opinion is: they have to take their lost. As Bert said, they tested every frame and mounted brakes . Lets believe this is true. In that case, this frame should never being sent to you. It slipped through their quality-tests. So, now matter what, they should send you a new frame. And if they want the old frame back, they have to pay you the return-shipping costs. The only cost you may have to pay is the customs in your country. So be it. That's 'fair', I think
So, I hope Bert is reading this and realize that if he solve this in the right and decent way, it's GOOD and 'cheap' publicity for him and his company.
After this, when there is a solution or not, everybody know if his company is reliable and worth it to spend a bit more money for their service and quality.
I hope for a good outcome, for you and also for Bert's company ( good publicity = more business for him ).
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They don't realize that they can have much more business if the give good service in case of warranty of manufacturing faults.
This. So much this. Especially now that chinertown is up and running and enough people are reading these forums. The chinese sellers are going to have to realize that there is a little more accountability than there was before - they're not used to that, I don't think. If they're smart, the extra accountability will be a good thing for their business because they can turn it into trust.
That said, I think it's important to remember that we are getting these carbon frames for pretty damn cheap - I'm sure profit margins are low. For a smaller operation, like Iplay, taking a loss probably isn't something that's easy to do. Obviously, I'm just speculating here.. point is, there are always two sides to the coin.
Ultimately, it's up to Iplay how they want to strategize and position themselves for the long run, in this market.
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Paypal charges they were all on me, i do not know if i has the only one, but with me i paid them, not Xmiplay. Shipping i payed everything also.
Not just you. That's standard policy on every order.
Sorry to hear about your situation.. hopefully it gets worked out.
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MTB2223
in my case i only have to pay customs in my country if i do not sent them the defective frame.
But of course if Bert says you keep the defective and i send you a new one, my custom charges i'm not gonna demand from Bert. I'm really honest here, i will try and sell the frame to anyone that wants it on the cheap to repair to pay for customs and if i make any extra i can send it back to Bert minous the cost of the dropout+shipping+taxes (only that not the extra stuff i bought, that's totally on me) from the 2nd shipment. I say this here and i will do it.
But also on the honest side i pray i do not have to go to my customs again, i rather pull my teeth with a screw driver :(
I just want something fair. At least i think i'm not being unreasonable
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this is all very sad
1) Bert now understands a lot less english than in the beginning
2) Bert did not even propose a remotely fair agreement for the 2nd time. I'm gonna pay for all freigh cost for the 2nd time for the 2nd mistake he made even without riding once on the bike
3) For the 1st mistake i even bought a lot more stuff and 3USD discount. I guess this time i don't even deserve that.
4) if anything else goes wrong i pay 2 frames in just freight costs for Berts little mistakes. I guess i should get 2 frames
3) i guess paypal will sort this out. I guess warranty does not exist :-\
What gets to me is if i rode it for 2. 3 months and something went wrong i would understand a bit more, but if i want to ride even once i'm already almost half the frame cost in extra costs just because shit went wrong in Xmiplay.
God dam offer me something, put something in the deal, this shit is ridiculous. I do not wanted to do this but i must go for the Paypal solution. If we keep doing this they don't learn to double check orders or do quality control, i guess it's educational service. And of course he's lying if they had tested the brakes they should have seen the obvious, it's impossible to make the wheel rotate.
Bought so many things from Chinese vendours and never encountered such a bad service. The worst. What a mess... :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
I want my frame. And if Xmiplay wants the defective he must pay not me.
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Just spoke to one of the two owners of Xmiplay, Peter, about this delicate issue.
Maybe there's some miscommunication.
According to Peter the quality of their products and the service is always high priority of Xmiplay.
As it look like, there is really a warranty-issue, but it should be confirmed.
If it's a confirmed warranty issue, Xmiplay will send a new frame WITHOUT any costs.
First Peter wanted to see the frame to see if it's a warranty-issue or just the fault of the customer.
Sending back the frame is expensive, due the cost for shipping, but also due the customs in China. Xmiplay have to pay more than 100 USD to get the frame back.
I suggested to let an independent LBS take a look to the frame because of the brake issue. Depending on the outcome, the case will be a warranty-issue or not.
So Arraider/John The rider, please take contact with a independent LBS and let him make a small report of his findings. After that, contact Peter/Bert. It's really important for them that you're satified. They only want happy customers!
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i appreciate the help.
I am the most reasonable customer Peter will find and he should very well know that. How many here would get the wrong dropout. Talked to them. Got a reply that i had to pay freight cost for the dropout unless i ordered something else, i ordered a lot more stuff, and in the end they made me pay for the dropout, for the freight cost, for everything with a 3USD discount.
Who? seriously? who would accepted this? ???
i accepted and end up paying a lot more and customs and another 70km trip to customs. I'm fair and reasonable but do not mistake kindness with stupidity. That i will never accept.
Now you gut to help me because i have no idea what LBS means? i googled it and came up with "local bike shop", is that it? i guess a mechanic form a local bike shop? the irony is that the 1st person to notice the problem has a mechanic from a local bike shop (www.binaclina.com you can even contact him at bina.clinica@gmail.com or facebook. I have no idea if he speaks english). But i will happily do whatever it takes. As soon as i know what a LBS means! You can indicate one near me i don't mind. Whatever it takes.
The fault is so absolutely obvious that i will be out of there in 2 seconds. You guys can not imagine how many persons look at this and we all saw the same thing no quality control but i do not want to go there.... so i got no problem with that.
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LBS = Local Bike Store.
Please, ask the mechanic to write it down (on their paper with company logo if possible) to make it official, make a photo and send it to Bert/Peter. And wait for further instruction.
The time is all takes is one of the down side dealing with China and what I understand from you, your country (Portugal).
Please keep us informed. It's good to know if it finally solved correctly.
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Hi Arraider,
Sorry about your predicament.
Can you find a bike shop nearby that has a post-mount disk brake facing tool? Without actually interfering with the bike it should be able to indicate whether the face of the mounts are "wrong" or not.
It seems to me that if the mount "surfaces" were truly perpendicular to the rotor, even if the bolt thread were slightly out of alignment, the whole brake would pull itself into position as the bolts were tightened. It may just be that the tabs need facing?
I think you really need a seriously good mechanic to have a look and IME, they are few and far between.
If it is accepted as a warranty issue suggest cutting out the offending part of the rear triangle - cheaper to post, may solve customs their end, reassures them that you're not "scamming" a frame . This was acceptable in some non-china warranty issues I knew of.
Hope you get sorted.
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david, i have a few things to say:
1) i'm 100% sure it is a manufacturing problem and poor quality control
2) even so, i'm ready to be subjected to whatever test xmiplay wants me to do
3) i went to 4 forums on the internet to discuss this looking for solutions to solve it, i did not wanted to sent or receive no frame.
4) i went to 2 different LBS
5) specifically to the problem. The mount is not leved, when the bottom face of the caliper encounters the mount the calipers starts to tilt to the inside of the bike. This is clear at the naked eye. The place where the screw enters inside the mount is tilted bad. I already put a photo. When you mount the caliper the unleveled mount twists the caliper. But even if i sand the caliper the crooked screw pushes the caliper inside. Physics. Any solution with washers or adapters raises the caliper and increases the problem as the higher the caliper the closer the angle between screw and rotor and the worse the problem gets.
6) Of course this not something that does not have a solution. I could fill the hole with qbold, epoxi, liquid aluminnium, and make a new one. But this requires money, precision (make a new hole that's parallel it's difficult, so difficult xmiplay that does it every day screw it up). a good mechanic. Tools. I have none of this. NONE.
7) I had no idea what i was talking on 6) a week ago, i inquired, i asked, i lost hours on end to figure this out
8 ) If China have crazy customs mine are not any good. Last time i made five 70kms trips do customs to get the frame. China is a poor country, so is mine. For me what i payed is a lot, don't judge me for or standards. My country's wages are nothing like yours.
9) If i do not send the frame for China. When i receive the new frame i must pay taxes, customs, and wait more than a month, because it's a new import for them. I DO NOT WANT THIS.
10) i want to sent the frame to China. i repeat: i want to sent the frame to China. I do not want 2 frames.
11) now we can see who is in good faith here and who's not.
12) This is XMIPLAY's 2ND MISTAKE
13) I specifically asked for a 142 frame. He sent 135 dropouts. But did he sent the dropout to me that i had already paid. Read about it again (i have emails that prove all this):
I am the most reasonable customer Peter will find and he should very well know that. How many here would get the wrong dropout. Talked to them. Got a reply that i had to pay freight cost for the dropout unless i ordered something else, i ordered a lot more stuff, and in the end they made me pay for the dropout, for the freight cost, for everything with a 3USD discount.
THIS COSTED ME MORE THEN THE 82.25 EUROS THAT IT COSTS ME TO SENT THE FRAME TO CHINA, ALL BECAUSE XMIPLAY DID CRAP.
14) the bike is mounted, i have to loose the hidraulic brake (20 euros), the helicopter tape (10 euros), the assembly i payed at a shop, i do not have some tools (35 euros). I have to go to customs again (toll and diesel , i don't know but something like 50 Euros
do the math...
i both a frame, have no frame.
xmiplay made 2 mistakes, so far payed for none, i payed for one already (about 80 euros), xmiplay payed ZERO EUROS
xmiplay wants me to pay more 82.25 euros for the 2nd mistake
i don't know if this is a problem with my english or a nationality clash, but this is unfair, unreasonable, stupid, i should already have this settled. i have no problem with mistakes, i have with people who do not face them. I get even more upset when i read that to others when theres mistakes xmiplay gets them discounts and to me i get the middle finger.
You guys wanna help write to xmiplay at peter@xmiplay.cn and ask i'm to do the right thing, pressure him. ;)
This is so insane at the point that xmiplay does not even understand that paypal will get them and probably loose more than to settle with me.
Xmiplay could offer me a amount in cash so i could repair it, xmiplay could the 1st time sent the dropout free of charges and now i would probably face this all thing in a different light
It's hard to get sympathetic to the argument that they have to pay chinese customs and all that crap, when the 1st mistake they had none of that and made me pay for the fricking dropout twice, freight cost i did not had to pay in the 1st place and more customs i did not had to pay in the 1st place... and i even bought more stuff because he asked.... insane
SEE MY POINT. :(
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Arraraider,
I think you misunderstand me. I am completely behind you and agree with everything you say. IMO the only satisfactory solution is a new frame, all costs covered but how likely is that?
If that doesn't happen then how can you move forward and get on your bike with minimum further expense?
You talk of "sanding the posts" - this is what a facing tool is designed to do. It shaves the surface of the post so it is parallel to the axle. We are talking single mms so washers beneath the caliper are unnecessary. Even if the bolt is "crooked" the caliper should still end up parallel to the faced post and centered on the post. This does appear to be in the correct position and anyway there is already allowances built into the caliper holes to allow for slight deviations.
Have either of the bike shops even mentioned a facing tool to you?
Regarding my income; well unfortunately my great government also sent us down the road of an IMF bailout so it may not be as substantial as you think. If it was, you probably wouldn't find me on this forum.
I really hope the company steps up to the plate for you.
david
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IMO the only satisfactory solution is a new frame, all costs covered but how likely is that?
And this is exactly what Peter of Xmiplay offered in case of a warranty-issue. And it is a warranty-issue as what Arraider said.
So, don't what any longer, fix that small report of the LBS, send it to Peter and wait!
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My rear caliper was too high on the disc. About 1.5mm off.
This caused an odd pad wear.
Some others have reported the same problem.
One day I felt brave(or stupid) enough to take a file and shave some mm from the posts.
I didn't go well initially, making the caliper tilt quite badly, like in your case.
But then after some trials and errors, and sweat, I got it back parallel to the disc.
All this to say that I think it is still possible to get your rear brake right.
And if you find an LBS with the DT-4.2 Parktool, it is even better.
The tilted screw can be managed with a conic washer on top, the face is what matters.
I understand how frustrating it can be if iplay doesn't honor their warranty, and make you pay more than you planned.
But if at some point there is no hope for an easy and free return or compensation.
You may consider this as a plan B.
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I just wanted to jump in and say that I've seen the communications from Peter about this matter, and it seems to me that they will honor your warranty to the full extent. I understand (I'm sure we all do) your frustrations, but it is understandable that they want more than your word that it wasn't your fault. Most businesses won't take your word for it in a situation like this.
Either way, this sucks for you and you'll be out some extra $$$ and some time wasted not being able to ride.. and I def feel for ya (I would've been super disappointed) but like I said, from Peter's words.. They're going to take care of you.
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Here.. In peter's own words so there is no confusion.. Peter is the darker blue and MTB2223 the lighter blue:
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(MTB - hope you don't mind me posting this, I thought it would help reassure Arraider and anybody else reading to hear it straight from Peter - If you do, feel free to delete it)
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i said all i had to say at this point. Just wanna thank you guys that helped and those you took time to comment.
trying my best to get the LBS report, maybe today.
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Mythbusters i guess... 8)
Disclaimer: i am a lossy photographer ;D No photoshop tricks were used as i don't even know how to if i wanted to.
the screw mounted and not parallel to the rotor.
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maybe the wheel is not centered? It's centered.
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maybe the dropouts are crooked. I have two sets as Xmiplay knows. I tried them both
maybe it's the axle. This theory i cannot even understand. But it's Xmiplay also. But no it's fine.
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i cannot see anything wrong with them and they are properly tightened and fastened... photos.
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now some tests
Disclaimer: i went and got some ruler set for this. Chinese to make it cheaper- 32 cents, really good quality ;D
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maybe someone forced the srews at an angle. No they didn't.
tried to photograph the thread... crazy i know ;D ... no conclusion, just some bad photo
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the screws, shimano, not twisted i guess. I used 4, this are 2 of them, used on this test because their are larger than the 160mm rotor ones.
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so i made a video, screw bolted, no play.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er11BJlo8ao (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er11BJlo8ao)
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i never really got the conic washer thing as i never liked or used avid brakes...
bu i got them, and an adaptor for 180, and a 180 rotor, and normal washers...
don't mind if the washers are not at the right angle, just to show that the top washer tilted rubbed the rotor, the space is non existent. This with a completely even rotor, if the rotor got some angle later in the mountains things got even worst.
But besides that i don't know if the angle is to big or i'm just not really skilled at this art, but i could never got it parallel (mind you the mounts are also crooked, i could of course try both washers and sanding the mounts, but i really hesitate on sanding the frame then it does not work and when i complain to xmiplay they say i voided the warranty)
The solution (for me) as i don't even use 180 rotor but 160 and don't want adapters or larger rotors, was to both sand the mount and reconstruct the thread inside the mount. 1st part is easy, 2nd not so much because you have to create a parallel thread and that's not easy and the margin for error is not great and the space to work is cramped because of the closed space your working on. And if it goes wrong it's on me.
I have a plan B, i just don't think i should need it ;)
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Now you guys tell me is there even a shadow of a doubt?
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Arraider,
I am no mechanic, but i recently built a 29" chiner. I figured with all the reading that i did that i would have to "fit" some things. I was right i recieved my frame and the bottom cup in the headset was a little tight and out of round. May bee .002 -.003". Careful sandpaper work and this was fixed. My other problem was like yours be it nowhere as severe, but all the same my brake bosses need a little truing, but the bolts in mine were strait enough. A few minutes with a file and they were fixed It did fustrate me though.
I think i may have a solution for you. If you use the 160 rotor and get rid of the spacer the shorter bolts wont conflict with the rotor,but u will need to file the brake bosses perpendicual to the rotor. Then bolt the brake caliper to the bosses with the avid cones on the top of the brake caliper,(between the caliper and the bolt head only). Hope this explanation is clear.
If it were me i would not try to re-drill and tap the bosses. This may work, but i don't think that there is enough working room in the stays to properly re-drill and tap new threads. Plus you would likely need a jig of some sort to ensure they were strait.
I believe that the vendor should be responsible for a manufacture defect period! That being said a simple fix may be easier than dealing with customs, vendor, shipping, travel and so forth.
I am confident i could make this repair, but no matter make sure before you try any thing you are confident as well. Because if you damage the frame the vendor will likely tell you that you are on your own.
Good luck. I hope the vendor steps up and takes care of this. Keep us posted.
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Now you guys tell me is there even a shadow of a doubt?
I don't think anyone here is doubting you at all, man.
Sitar_Ned posted the communication with Peter where he agreed and confirmed that Iplay would cover the new frame and shipping. I guess it's just a matter of proof? I can honestly understand them asking for verification via LBS that it was manufacturing defect, but with all of the pics and that vid it looks pretty obvious to me.
Iplay - I think it's obvious he's not trying to cover up a mistake he made during installation. It's a defect in the frame. It's time to take care of this customer.
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i was always ready for some handy work as you can read here, in this thread, i was ready to drill the stops... 8)
thanks to all you guys for the help and comments, i talked to Bert and Peter and we come to and understanding that i think it's fair for everybody. Now i will try to solve the issue by myself with the help of a friend ;D
i will keep you guys posted...
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Great to hear. I knew they'd do what needed to be done in the end.
Like I said before, can't blame them for being skeptical. Can't blame you for being pissed lol. Glad it ended well.
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not exactely ended :P but in the right path ;)
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It's alive, It's alive..... 8)
The 1st real ride... great winter day, rocky and hard terrain
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The 1st ride just near home to test everything
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it's fixed, a slow process with the finest file i found, it ended up pretty nice in the end, one can hardly notice by looking at the mounts. I guess as long as the screw is as low as possible the inclination of the screw is not a problem.... so as long as i don't use adapters or any rotor bigger then the 160 (which is enough for me any way) it's OK
If i try the 180 rotor and adapter the problem came back :(
It's gonna stay like this :D
and i have already rode it, and fell. Not the bikes fault, the gps came loose and in the confusion i ended up on the ground, rough rocky terrain and all it took was for me to distract myself for a fraction of a second. So i ended up by riding almost the all time in a little pain and still can't really comment on the ride quality :(
The suspension was not tunned for me, i followed the RS guidelines and it completely missed the target, ended up for only using half the travel in the end. Guess i have to take some air off.
No noises because of the hydraulic tube, i stuffed some pipe foam in the frame and it worked wonders.
Shifting was crisp, on time and no noises.
The handlebar seemed sturdy and comfortable, and it ended up being the only part of the bike to suffer with the fall, some scratches. I just think 700mm is a bit much for me
The neco headset also behaved very well, no noises, no play.
Just notice some noise from either the pedal or the BB30 bearings, must take a better look
The rear axle nut has not tight at the end of the ride, not sure i forgot to tight or if it come loose by itself... read more people have this problem with xmiplay axles so got to do some more testing
Not a fan of the Rocket Ron Evo on the front, accepting suggestions.... come from a the Maxxis Ikon and seemed a lot better.
Could be just because i haven't ridden in almost 2 months, but the ride comfort seemed a bit off compared with my 26'' Axman frame. It could be also tires too inflated.
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check your chainring bolts for possible noise
I would have thought with a bolt hole a little out of alignment, a little filing wouldn't fix your issue.
Good that you are up and running. Nice ride. You have a weight?
Beautiful area you have to ride in.
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Please Arraider, stop posting such beautiful pictures. I'm so jealous :) I like the environment. Maybe a good vacation location for the summer for the family (we all riding mountainbikes).
Nice to see you manage the brake mounting issue. I guess you will never ride a bigger brake at the rear than 160mm.
I see you're riding the bike 2x10. Can you some me the FD cable output and the FD ? I'm curious what kind of angle the cable makes and what you think of it ...
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yes you guys by now know i'm picky so i really tested everything... if only i had gone for the file option sooner... the problem is that the angle that the screw makes is tighter the higher you put it, so keeping it as low as possible the problem is less noticeable... now this is a remedy off course, but i guess i managed to get it as straight as i can and in a way that i can live with it. Desmanteling the bike, sending it to china, wait for a new frame, assemble all would be a pain :(
i would make a drawing... but i will try my best to explain, the problem was that besides the tilted mounts the inclination of the screw pushed the caliper inside the bike... but keeping it low with the
160 rotor the screw almost has no effect. The problem was when i tried to remedy it with adapters and 180 rotors...
like i said i was never making trouble for the sake of making trouble, if it works fine... ;)
the bolts are sram original, not those extra light but will definitely check
the bike weighs 9.6Kg or 21.16 lbs, with 2 water bottle cages and a gps support
The area is named Arrabida Natural Park in Portugal, near the capital Lisbon, great place to ride, a small set of not very high mountains near the Atlantic. Weather has been superb, but cold, even if i guess is hot for some of you guys for this time of the year ;) If you guys came i can be your tour guide... lots of sun, good wine, amazing beaches.
I will post some pictures of the FD tomorrow, i guess it makes a strange angle but it works flawlessly
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The area is named Arrabida Natural Park in Portugal, near the capital Lisbon, great place to ride, a small set of not very high mountains near the Atlantic. Weather has been superb, but cold, even if i guess is hot for some of you guys for this time of the year ;) If you guys came i can be your tour guide... lots of sun, good wine, amazing beaches.
I'll keep that in mind ;) Two years ago I was in Lisbon. I liked the place.
It's never to cold to ride. Even with -19 degrees I don't care ;)
Nice weight for your bike.
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:D hi, this is Bert, it is great to see you have managed the brake mounting issue!! nice riding pictures!!
Anyway, thanks for your kindness and help.
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Another beautiful IP-256. Congrats on the build. Mine has been going strong for 6 months now and it puts a smile on my face every time I ride it. I hope your serves you well.
The loose axle is a super common thing with the Iplay axles. Mine lost a nut on it's first ride. A coworker had the same issue recently. There's something about them that makes them come loose easily. ???
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The loose axle is a super common thing with the Iplay axles. Mine lost a nut on it's first ride. A coworker had the same issue recently. There's something about them that makes them come loose easily. ???
You referring to the 142x12 rear axle, I assume?
I initially had that issue but then just realized I needed to tighten it down a bit more than I had been. No issues since. So for me it was just a case of being afraid to over tighten and harm the frame and/or hub. Of course, mileage will vary and it's possible that it's actually a problem with the axle - Just not for me.
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Shameless plug..
http://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,306.0.html
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Shameless plug..
http://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,306.0.html
:o
Oh yeah.. I completely forgot I ordered that from you! Sorry I didn't plug you myself! It was a great but minor upgrade well worth the peace of mind. Plus, it looks bad ass.
So yes. I had those issues with the Iplay rear axle and upgraded the bolt to a custom made one from outriding9800 and haven't thought about it since (which is a good thing!)
Before and after:
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Its all good...
I am just happy I got a place I can contribute.
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that looks nice. A couple more rides during the week but nothing rough at a point i can test the "problem nut" ;) if you ship it to Portugal i want one... sent PM
Bert 8)
Latter i will have the FD photo, sorry for the delay
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Arraider, may be you noticed already, but there is a small hole perpendicular to the axle and the nut.
You can put a headless screw there, to stick the nut and avoid loosing it if it gets loose.
Last week, I noticed after a ride my DT Swiss axle was loose. The nut stayed in place because of that screw.
So not only IPlay axle get loose.
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My frame came with a rear axle nut set screw installed in the drop out. Hopefully it's already there for you and all you need to do is tighten it down.
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thanks, i found the hole, but it did not bring no screw, but i have 3 sets of dropouts so i have no shortage of screws ;) I already used one to do the trick
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So i found the hole for the screw, used the screw yesterday and will be testing it some more...
Now i'm getting the hang of the SID, tunning here and there, but i still have to take here out just to try all the settings
Really loving the handlebars, but i had to turn them because the natural angle for them just does not work for me
I'm also loving the frame, climbs like a goat, really comfortable (got the tyre pressure finally figured out), the size is spot on for me and i can get a real good control even in tight singles.
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got to clean it and remove the wheel for a better picture of the FD... but i used some helicopter tape on the frame and a bit of pipe fome cut to fit the cable end made a hole in the midle and voila ;)
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Question:
How much spacers are need with a xt dubbel BSA bb on the IP-256sl? I have 1 on the driveside now.Should I get more (1 nondriveside and 2 on the driveside?)?
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Does anyone know the size of the set screw to hold the rear axle nut in place? it looks like M2.5 but confirmation would be great.
EDITED TO ADD:
Still not sure on size but on closer investigation there is a grub screw already in the hole but 2-3mm down the hole so out of sight. If I can find a small enough Allen key I will whip it out and measure it.
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Cnasta, you have all the manuals here:http://si.shimano.com/#seriesList/3
From what I remember it should be okay.
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Cnasta, you have all the manuals here:http://si.shimano.com/#seriesList/3
From what I remember it should be okay.
Thnx, I guess one should do the trick. Expecting last parts today/tomorrow so I can start building. Will open buildlog later :)
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so i was absent for a while...
the Chinese is still riding strong, over 1500kms now, no tarmac. I'm loving it.
Problems: just some craziness with the cable noise inside the tube, at 1st no noise, then it started i cannot find out why... not major, but a little noise and only on the small gear (front)!
Fun: lots and lots of fun... i love the geometry, climbs very well, descends even better
Getting on my nerves: loads of envy... oh my god so much envy.... amazing bike, beautiful, great weight for small euros... gets them crazy... and then the envy starts to morph into disapproval. F*** you i say, people spent upwards of 3000+ euros and not even close to my bike, i spend about 1500€.
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hi, Arraider, long time no see! ;) is your bike good now? you know, customer service time.
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yes Bert it is, no complaints from me i guess.
Sad to see that you and Peter left Xmiplay :(
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for those who doubt this frames quality.... roman roads uphill and downhill for more then 30 minutes up and 30 minutes day today.... it must have been more them 6 enormous sections of rough treatment 8)
resting after conquering one of the 4 castles of the day
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ok so i need some help...
regarding the BB... on one side the bearing sits there and problem solved, on the other side (non drive side) the bearing moves outwards (it does not get out of the frame, but comes out of place) just by removing the arm, so i guess is not very tight there.
Now i have some noise coming from the BB. In your case how's it going? any suggestions?
locktite 641?!
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Yes 641, but this is ok if you have a tiny play or not at all.
What bottom bracket do you have?
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thanks..
the BB is BB30 (just 2 bearings really) from SRAM original.
the bearings aren't tight and there's lot of noise :-X
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i got some really bad news. After about a year and 3 months the frame has a crack on the wishbone. Sent some photos to bert at xmiplay to see what we can do.
What do you guys think? i'm really sad about this as i was happy with both the frame and the bike. I'm not felling like ride it like this :-[
(http://s10.postimg.org/4yv9eywh5/G0160203.jpg)
(http://s21.postimg.org/aktfw4u3r/G0190211.jpg)
(http://s8.postimg.org/wnzqgwdyt/G0180209.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kx7sGzLa9Sw
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Definitely cause for concern- are you sure it's a crack and not just a surface scratch? Can you hear anything when you squeeze the area with your hand?
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the top part it's under the finish, you can't even feel anything.
On the right side and following for the bottom part it's already cracked to the surface.
It's goes all around.
My 1st bet was "it's a stratch, not the 1st even", but no, it's definitely giving up on that all area i guess. I tried squuezing but i hear nothing. Also tried the coin trick to try and hear a different noise on that area, but i came to no conclusion, the frame returns different noises all around and nothing special on that area i guess. :-\
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Dang. I better start watching mine closely. It seems like this is bound to happen to all of them soon.
CS41, here I come!
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yes, i've seen this a couple of times now :-\
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What's your weight if you don't mind me asking. I am 150lbs and going on my third season on the ip-256
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65kgs or 143 pounds according to google... and i can anticipate your next questions. No i do not do more than XC with the bike. And no it had no falls. :-\
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Too bad to hear the -256 frame seems to have a weak spot, right where I had predicted when I first saw this frame. The wishbone shape is just not structurally as strong has nicely joining the top tube junction across the seat tube and down through the seat stays.
Hope you get yours replaced under warranty and with a frame that's not going to cause you future issues.
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sad news Arraider
I' ll keep an eye on my CS196 too as they use the same structure type
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thx Carbon_Dude, Bert from xmiplay is looking into it. Unfortunately i share your concern :-[ I was thinking of asking for a different model in replacement, but my customs are idiots, or i receive exactly the same model, and they want to take pictures, or i have to pay customs all over again.
Molothi, i think we should always take a look at the bike top to bottom from time to time. That's how i noticed it ;)
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Arraider, I agree with your advice. I try to make an effort to always be looking for any problems in the carbon frame, bars and wheels when I'm prepping my bike for a ride. Nothing lasts forever, things like mountain bikes wear, fatigue, and eventually will need to be replaced. All we can do is check, maintain, and replace when necessary.
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Bert is apparently send me a new frame. 5 star warranty from xmiplay. :)
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Good to hear that you got your frame sorted!
Its also good to hear that the vendors are standing behind their products.