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Chinese Carbon MTB => 29er => Topic started by: bdub on January 11, 2015, 01:49:42 PM

Title: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on January 11, 2015, 01:49:42 PM
Came into this wanting to build up a IP-057 for under 2k and came in just under that.

My build list:

Component   Part   Price   Site
Frame   IP-057   $400    XMIPlay
Fork   RockShox Reba RL   $382    Bike Discount
Groupset   Shimano XT   $537    Merlin
Wheelset   DT Swiss M1900   $215    Bike Discount
Tires   Continental Mountain King   $67    Merlin
Handlebar   IP-B04 700 MM   $35.00    XMIPlay
Stem   Race Face Ride XC   $29.92    Merlin
Seatpost   IP-SP7   $45.00    XMIPlay
Seatpost Clamp   Clamp Free      XMIPlay
Seat   SDG Falcon   $37    Merlin
Pedals   Shimano M530   $42    Amazon
Grips   ESI Chunky   $17.00    
Headset   Nico   $15.00    XMIPlay
Extra Hanger   Hanger   $25.00    XMIPlay
Thru Axle   Rear Axle   $18.00    XMIPlay
Headset Spacers   Spacers   $7.50    XMIPlay
         
         
   Shipping:   $106.62    
         
   Total:   $1,980    

This doesn't include tools that I purchased or grease etc. Include that and it was about $100 more.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: Patrick C. on January 11, 2015, 05:59:48 PM
Yes- you won't have superlight parts, but you should be able to get a very good bike for less than $2k.  It won't be 20 pounds, but I think you might hit 25.   

   frame       2.86       500       ip-057 including shiping and paypal fees   
   fork       3.74       270       Manitou Tower Pro is on sale at Pricepoint again, but it looks like only in 120mm QR http://www.pricepoint.com/Brand/Manitou/Manitou-Tower-Pro-29er-Fork.axd    
   group       7.50       380       SLX full group, including brakes http://www.merlincycles.com/shimano-slx-m675-2-x-10-disc-brake-groupset-58862.html    
   wheels       4.63       400          
   tires       3.96       60          
   handlebar       0.55       40          
   stem       0.37       25          
   seatpost + clamp       0.68       40          
   seat        0.50       25          
   pedals       0.58       50          
   spacers              5          
   grips       0.20       5          
   paste              10          
                           
                           
   total       25.57       1810.00          

I plugged in typical numbers for all the other parts- you may be able to do better, or get lighter parts for about the same price.  You could actually go quite a bit cheaper on the wheels, but I put $400 in there to show that even with a pretty good wheelset you can come in under $2k.  If you can't get or don't want the Tower Pro fork, you should be able to find another air fork at around $400 - 450.

My build cost me around $2400 (at first :) ), but I had the frame painted, went with an XT group, a Rockshox SID,  and got name-brand carbon parts for the handlebars and seatpost.  I put together a spreadsheet to compare the cost and weight of different options- this will really help you decide where it is worthwhile to spend a little more or where to save some $$$. 

You'll need some tools as well, but you should already have a lot of what you need if you  do any maintenance on your bikes- bottom bracket tool, cassette lockring tool, etc.  You don't have to have a repair stand to put the bike together- I did it without one, but then I bought a stand afterward- having one will make it easier.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on January 12, 2015, 10:11:26 AM
Thank you for the info and the build list as well that is very very helpful. I noticed you put $400 for a wheel set. Do you think that money is better spent on a fork or group set? Also Is the handlebar's seat post etc from XMI worth the money, or should I look elsewhere for those pieces?

Thanks again for the great information, I emailed Peter to see if we could get some stuff ordered.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: Patrick C. on January 12, 2015, 12:48:28 PM
I don't have any of the other iplay parts, but several folks on here do- with some digging or Google-fu you should be able to find reviews. 

If there's any way you can fit carbon rims into your budget I think that would be the way to go, but that may make it impossible to keep it under $2k since the wheels will be at least ~$650.

I don't really have an opinion on which is the most important, but with ~$1200 to spend on the group, fork and wheels you'll just have to see what you can find that fits in the budget.  You could save a lot of money and weight with a rigid fork, then add a suspension fork later if you like.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: blueducati on January 12, 2015, 02:02:50 PM
I, too, tried to keep costs down when building my bike. I wanted cheap, wide, strong wheels. I found these, and like them so far. $170 for both wheels.

http://www.jensonusa.com/WTB-ST-I25-RimSlx-Hub-29-Wheelset-Black-29-15X142-Axles-Centerlock-DSK
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on January 12, 2015, 06:20:01 PM
Quote from: blueducati on January 12, 2015, 02:02:50 PM
I, too, tried to keep costs down when building my bike. I wanted cheap, wide, strong wheels. I found these, and like them so far. $170 for both wheels.

http://www.jensonusa.com/WTB-ST-I25-RimSlx-Hub-29-Wheelset-Black-29-15X142-Axles-Centerlock-DSK

Thanks, those look pretty nice. I saw you got the Marzocchi Cora Fork. I was looking at that one as well. Do you like it?
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: blueducati on January 13, 2015, 08:17:21 AM
Quote from: bdub on January 12, 2015, 06:20:01 PM
Quote from: blueducati on January 12, 2015, 02:02:50 PM
I, too, tried to keep costs down when building my bike. I wanted cheap, wide, strong wheels. I found these, and like them so far. $170 for both wheels.

http://www.jensonusa.com/WTB-ST-I25-RimSlx-Hub-29-Wheelset-Black-29-15X142-Axles-Centerlock-DSK

Thanks, those look pretty nice. I saw you got the Marzocchi Cora Fork. I was looking at that one as well. Do you like it?

Yeah, I really like it. I'm new to MTB, so I don't have much to compare it to, but so far so good. The lockout is a bit tricky to set up, but I love having it.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: Vipassana on January 13, 2015, 09:58:25 AM
The Iplay components like handlebars and seat post are a very good value for the money and seem to be holding up really well for all of us using them. They might not be the cheapest part out there, but the performance per dollar can't be beat. If you find cheaper components, they will likely be heavier by a good amount.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: brmeyer135 on January 13, 2015, 03:55:14 PM
Good price on the fork - and stated weight is not much more than a reba
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on January 15, 2015, 05:17:47 PM
Can any of you recommend a good BSA Bottom Bracket for a decent price?
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: JohnnyNT on January 15, 2015, 05:50:17 PM
It depends on the group you are using, if you go with SLX mentioned above, BB should be included with the crankset.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on January 15, 2015, 07:24:10 PM
Quote from: JohnnyNT on January 15, 2015, 05:50:17 PM
It depends on the group you are using, if you go with SLX mentioned above, BB should be included with the crankset.

OK I wasn't sure if the bottom bracket came with the crankset.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: tlmadsen on January 16, 2015, 03:26:08 AM
Hi Everybody

(my first post to this forum)

I have also been "sneaking" around a budget build, and I am quite sure it can be done for sub 2.000 US$ (my budget is 10k DKK, = more like 1800 US$).
My major concern is putting the bike together. I know how to do normal repair/service of the gear/breaks ex. on my MTB/Racer, but I have never played around with the headset or Bottom bracket.

I know that the YouTube have a huge amount of "how to" on these subject, but this is actually the problem. They are never 100% the same and when you know nothing about it, it becomes very difficult to know what to trust.
Anyone who can guide me to the right info ?

(...........should this go into a separate threat )

BR

Thomas
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: Cnasta on January 16, 2015, 03:34:19 AM
Quote from: tlmadsen on January 16, 2015, 03:26:08 AM
Hi Everybody

(my first post to this forum)

I have also been "sneaking" around a budget build, and I am quite sure it can be done for sub 2.000 US$ (my budget is 10k DKK, = more like 1800 US$).
My major concern is putting the bike together. I know how to do normal repair/service of the gear/breaks ex. on my MTB/Racer, but I have never played around with the headset or Bottom bracket.

I know that the YouTube have a huge amount of "how to" on these subject, but this is actually the problem. They are never 100% the same and when you know nothing about it, it becomes very difficult to know what to trust.
Anyone who can guide me to the right info ?

(...........should this go into a separate threat )

BR

Thomas

Go for a BSA bb, can't go wrong with that one :) Headset, check the thread om mtbr or youtube, isn't that hard. Think guiding the brakes internally (and/or bleeding them) is te most difficult part of the build (and that you say you can allready do) :)
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on January 22, 2015, 12:32:33 AM
Well I got a better bonus than I expected so I have decided to go with a Full Suspension instead. Talking to Bert about getting an IP-O36, unfortunately it is a 60 day wait for one with a BSA bottom bracket, however he does have one in BB30. My plan before was to go with an SLX or XT group set but I am now am not sure if that is possible. Can I still do this with a BB30 bottom bracket?
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: JohnnyNT on January 22, 2015, 04:42:20 AM
With an adapter of course ;) http://wheelsmfg.com/bb-30-shims-shimano.html
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: Carbon_Dude on January 22, 2015, 08:06:38 AM
From a quick web search, it appears there is a steel press fit adapter that can convert BB30 to a threaded BB.  However, it's not something I would recommend, it's another part that is pressed into the frame which can cause more creaking problems and of course adds a bit more weight.  Here is a quick example of one of the adapters:  http://www.competitivecyclist.com/sram-bb30-to-bsa-bottom-bracket-adaptor-kit

Just put in your order for an IP-036 and in the meantime gather up all your other components.  While you are at it, go for a custom paint scheme :) for your new frame.

Quote from: JohnnyNT on January 22, 2015, 04:42:20 AM
With an adapter of course ;) http://wheelsmfg.com/bb-30-shims-shimano.html

That's another type of adapter, the one drawback I see with that one is it spaces out the cranks quite a bit, probably less ergonomic.  It may cause additional fatigue in a person's knees if your pedals are spread out more.  Many people like a narrow Q-factor as it's a bit more ideal.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: brucevilanch on January 22, 2015, 05:27:01 PM
What type of bottom bracket type does the ip-036 come with? I'm trying to figure out what parts to buy before ordering the frame.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: Vipassana on January 22, 2015, 05:41:34 PM
You have your choice. BSA or BB30. Possibly PF30 as well, but I'm not certain on that.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: Carbon_Dude on January 22, 2015, 05:44:06 PM
Quote from: brucevilanch on January 22, 2015, 05:27:01 PM
What type of bottom bracket type does the ip-036 come with? I'm trying to figure out what parts to buy before ordering the frame.

It's your choice, you can have BSA or BB30 (no PF30 option).  Someone earlier said Peter at Iplay had BB30 in stock but there was a 2 month wait for the BSA option.  Personally, I still recommend the threaded BSA option, some people have had poor experiences with BB30.

http://www.xmiplay.com/ProductDetails1579
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on January 22, 2015, 07:14:34 PM
Bert says it will be at least 60 days before they have any with the BSA option available. Apparently they have none in stock and they are coming up on the Chinese new year. Sure wish I could have 2 weeks off of work every year.

I guess really it comes down to if I want to spend the extra money to go with an SRAM setup as opposed to Shimano. Looking at the SRAM options it's going to have to be X7. What Shimano group compares to X7?

The adapters don't look that great as you said Carbon Dude. Lot's of people over at MBR seem to think they work just great so its hard to say.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: outriding9800 on January 22, 2015, 07:54:48 PM
I have chinese carbon bike and I ordered a bb30 but decided later to go bsa by using a adaptor
9 months later and it has not made a noise..  note I did use that sleave "glue" 

I made borrowed a press that was made out of threaded rod and plates of metal.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: brucevilanch on January 22, 2015, 08:49:19 PM
Quote from: bdub on January 22, 2015, 07:14:34 PM
Sure wish I could have 2 weeks off of work every year.

Yeah, me too. I work for Amazon, we don't get weeks off at a time for holidays. hahaha
Quote
I guess really it comes down to if I want to spend the extra money to go with an SRAM setup as opposed to Shimano. Looking at the SRAM options it's going to have to be X7. What Shimano group compares to X7?

I would like to find this out too. I'm currently looking at the Shimano SLX groupset, minus the brakes. I'm probably going to go with Avid BB7 mechicals.


I'm thinking about waiting to see some reviews of the Enduro copy. I don't know about the geometry of it, but the frame itself looks awesome. Does anyone have a link to who is selling these, that isn't ebay?

(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTEwWDgwMA==/z/IGsAAOSwq7JT007J/$_57.JPG)
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: Carbon_Dude on January 22, 2015, 08:55:48 PM
Contrary to what was said earlier about people getting two weeks off for the Chinese New Year, all of the people I work with over in China generally take one week, very similar to our Christmas to New Years week many people take off work in the US.

As for which Shimano group is like SRAM X7, I would agree that you'd be looking at SLX.  Get a clutched R/D if you go with either brand, it's well worth it to eliminate chain suck.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: brucevilanch on January 22, 2015, 09:03:39 PM
Quote from: Carbon_Dude on January 22, 2015, 08:55:48 PM
Get a clutched R/D if you go with either brand, it's well worth it to eliminate chain suck.

Which Shimano would you recommend? I see that the SLX M675 is clutched, that's the one I was planning on getting. One that would be budget oriented, so we stay on topic. hahaha
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on January 24, 2015, 12:25:28 PM
Just going over frame sizing to make sure I have the right size.

I am 6'0 tall with a 31.5 inseam. I was thinking 17.5 IP-036 would work for me but want to make sure it's not to small. Do you guys think a 19 would be better?
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: MTNRCKT on January 24, 2015, 02:15:56 PM
Quote from: brucevilanch on January 22, 2015, 08:49:19 PM

I'm thinking about waiting to see some reviews of the Enduro copy. I don't know about the geometry of it, but the frame itself looks awesome. Does anyone have a link to who is selling these, that isn't ebay?

I agree. Absolutely love the look of that frame, but haven't researched it enough to know if it fits my needs yet.

Here's the Chinertown thread on it, so we don't jack bdub's thread (feel free to add any info you find - very interested): http://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,472.0.html

Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: Cnasta on January 24, 2015, 03:03:29 PM
In my opinion, go for SLX over X7. At least here (Netherlands) it's generally seen as better spec. Even if that's untrue, it still helps with future selling of your parts :)

btw: I'd prefer SLX of X7. SLX supposed to be good as well :)
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: Sitar_Ned on January 24, 2015, 07:11:02 PM
Quote from: brucevilanch on January 22, 2015, 09:03:39 PM
Quote from: Carbon_Dude on January 22, 2015, 08:55:48 PM
Get a clutched R/D if you go with either brand, it's well worth it to eliminate chain suck.

Which Shimano would you recommend? I see that the SLX M675 is clutched, that's the one I was planning on getting. One that would be budget oriented, so we stay on topic. hahaha

I have the M675 and so far love it. From the research I did when buying my drive train - The best budget strategy is to get the lowest acceptable derailleur (SLX or X7) but upgrade the shifters to XT or X9, as there is supposedly a noticeable difference. Also, with Shimano the XT shifters will allow you to shift into a higher gear in increments of two whereas the SLX will only let you shift into higher gears in increments of one. After getting used to my bike, I really like being able jump up two gears especially when going downhill trying to quicly gain some momentum for an upcoming climb. I have no idea if the same holds true for the X7/X9 shifters.

If you go Shimano, I say go SLX M675 rear derailleur and XT shifters. That's what I chose, at least.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: cmh on January 24, 2015, 07:23:47 PM
Quote from: Sitar_Ned on January 24, 2015, 07:11:02 PM
If you go Shimano, I say go SLX M675 rear derailleur and XT shifters. That's what I chose, at least.

I would have agreed in the past, but for me I'd run SLX for both. I've run XT shifters and the multiple-upshift kinda annoys me - I always seem to get multiples when I'm hitting bumps, exactly the wrong time to find yourself a gear or two too high. Plus I never have any problem firing off a couple presses when I do want multiple upshifts.

I got an all-SLX bike back in 2011, and figured I'd upgrade it as I went, but wound up really, really impressed with the SLX parts. If I was doing a budget build, I'd have zero problems going all SLX. For me, a higher level in the rear derailleur makes no difference, and I actually prefer the SLX for the shifters.

Opinions are like some body part, so take mine for what you will. :)
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: Sitar_Ned on January 24, 2015, 09:22:48 PM
Interesting input, cmh.. I love the double shift. That said.. I've never tried SLX shifters.

Next build, hopefully SRAM 1x11 though
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: Carbon_Dude on January 24, 2015, 09:23:11 PM
Quote from: bdub on January 24, 2015, 12:25:28 PM
Just going over frame sizing to make sure I have the right size.

I am 6'0 tall with a 31.5 inseam. I was thinking 17.5 IP-036 would work for me but want to make sure it's not to small. Do you guys think a 19 would be better?

You are a similar size to me and I am very comfortable on a Large 19" frame so you may want to reconsider if you need a 17.5" (med) frame or a 19" Large frame.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: Carbon_Dude on January 24, 2015, 09:27:01 PM
Quote from: Sitar_Ned on January 24, 2015, 09:22:48 PM
Interesting input, cmh.. I love the double shift. That said.. I've never tried SLX shifters.

Next build, hopefully SRAM 1x11 though

You know the wear issues I've experienced with my XX1 setup, however, it just works so well for the trails I ride.  Some people are putting together hybrid Shimano 1x10 setups with OneUp components large 42T cog and R/D cage, shadow plus R/D, and a wide/narrow chain ring.  Giving most of the benefits of XX1 but in a Shimano setup but at a lower price point.  I'd be curious to ride one and compare it to my SRAM setup.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on January 24, 2015, 10:26:46 PM
I would love to try to 1x10 setup but I am worried I would need more gears. Here in Utah we have such varied terrain it's always either up or down and I not being the strongest climber worry I will run out of power.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: Sitar_Ned on January 24, 2015, 11:58:12 PM
Quote from: Carbon_Dude on January 24, 2015, 09:27:01 PM
You know the wear issues I've experienced with my XX1 setup, however, it just works so well for the trails I ride.  Some people are putting together hybrid Shimano 1x10 setups with OneUp components large 42T cog and R/D cage, shadow plus R/D, and a wide/narrow chain ring.  Giving most of the benefits of XX1 but in a Shimano setup but at a lower price point.  I'd be curious to ride one and compare it to my SRAM setup.

Hmm, yeah I wasn't aware that people were making R/D customizations with third party parts, or even that OneUp had already released such a part.

Pretty satisfied with my current build but if I ever commit the $$$ to a full suss build, it's something to consider. The durability of the higher end sram is a little concerning. That's a lot of dough.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: davidd on January 25, 2015, 05:49:24 AM
Re: the 1x10 setup.  I had the same concerns over having a wide enough gear range but spent a lot of the time crunching the numbers and observing what gears I used.  I went with a 2x10 xt crank so if needed it is easy to switch over.  It's very hard to beat the XT crank for value/weight.  Without rings it is only slightly heavier than XTR and the BB is usually included.

Watch my build over the next week or so, I will be using the full OneUp conversion of RadR cage, 42 tooth cog and 34 tooth Ring. It looks like I will have the frame sometime this week and everything else is ready to go.  I'll certainly post my thoughts on the setup over the next few weeks as the spring racing resumes in two weeks. 
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on January 26, 2015, 12:03:46 AM
After speaking with Peter about how long it will be before they have any IP-037's in stock I have decided to go back to the 057. Went ahead a placed my order tonight so hopefully i will be getting it in the mail shortly.

Now taking a look at my budget I can expand out a little and get some higher quality components. Unfortunate I still can't afford some carbon wheels but at least I can spend a little more on some nice hoops now. Any suggestions for wheel sets in the $300 to $400 range?

Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: Andy on January 26, 2015, 09:13:33 AM
What is the Ip 037 frame?  I don't see that on Xmiplays website.
Thanks,
Andy
IP036
LTK023
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on January 26, 2015, 10:48:59 AM
Sorry meant the IP-036 to many damn model numbers.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: Andy on January 26, 2015, 11:46:41 AM
Got it, thanks.
Andy
IP036
LTK023
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: MTNRCKT on January 26, 2015, 02:25:55 PM
Quote from: bdub on January 26, 2015, 12:03:46 AM

 Any suggestions for wheel sets in the $300 to $400 range?

How much do you weigh?
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on January 26, 2015, 04:10:29 PM
Quote from: MTNRCKT on January 26, 2015, 02:25:55 PM
Quote from: bdub on January 26, 2015, 12:03:46 AM

 Any suggestions for wheel sets in the $300 to $400 range?

How much do you weigh?

215 lbs
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: MTNRCKT on January 26, 2015, 06:00:59 PM
Crap. The sale is over on the ones I was thinking of but at your weight they'd be perfect.

They were $299: http://www.pricepoint.com/Brand/Sun-Ringle/Sun-Ringle-Charger-Expert-29er-Tubeless-Wheelset.axd

Keep an eye on them, they are always going on sale for $250-$300.. Depending on how soon you need them.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on January 26, 2015, 09:24:05 PM
Peter kept in constant contact with me while I ask questions. As soon as I make my payment he hasn't responded in over 24 hours even to tell me he received my payment. Seriously sketchy....
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: carbonazza on January 27, 2015, 04:01:39 AM
bdub, they focus on what matters.
Understanding you well and help you decide for the right frame and items.
Once ordered and paid, it is done.

Dealing with our occidental anxiety of ordering abroad is not that important in the end.
May be it is cultural or they are simply overloaded.

To be honest, I was anxious too, especially as I ordered from a rather unknown provider.
But with Iplay you are in good hands.
So relax, insure you have all parts ready and compatible, you will get the frame.


Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: Andy on January 27, 2015, 07:40:26 AM
+1 What Carbonazza said.
Andy
IP036
LTK023
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: MTNRCKT on January 27, 2015, 08:29:13 AM
Yep. Totally normal, at least with the few vendors I've used. After the sale service isn't exactly a strong point for any of them. Like carbonazza said, not sure if it's cultural or what but all in all Iplay has definitely been the most helpful/communicative that I've dealt with.

You'll get your frame.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: Patrick C. on January 27, 2015, 08:30:02 AM
Not much to add, but +1.  Once it's ordered it is tough to sit back and wait, but you just gotta be patient.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on January 27, 2015, 11:14:34 AM
Thanks guys. Glad that this is the normal process for them. I know it's a send your money and pray kind of deal. Just hard to do sometimes.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: MTNRCKT on January 27, 2015, 11:59:04 AM
Hahaha, No need to pray, man. You will without a doubt get your frame. Worse case scenario is you have to be out time and energy and shipping costs if something is wrong with the frame or damaged in shipping or something like that. But even that is a rare occurrence. You make it sound like you're in the middle of a large drug deal or something lol.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on January 27, 2015, 12:27:33 PM
Quote from: MTNRCKT on January 27, 2015, 11:59:04 AM
Hahaha, No need to pray, man. You will without a doubt get your frame. Worse case scenario is you have to be out time and energy and shipping costs if something is wrong with the frame or damaged in shipping or something like that. But even that is a rare occurrence. You make it sound like you're in the middle of a large drug deal or something lol.

Haha are you saying there might be an extra present inside the carbon?  :P
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on January 27, 2015, 12:28:55 PM
I am looking at a Fox Float in 120mm. I have seen someone on MTBR put that much travel on a 057 but is it actually a good idea or will it mess up the geometry, put to much pressure on the frame?

Also what amount of offset works best with this frame?
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: Carbon_Dude on January 27, 2015, 12:49:30 PM
I would say up to 120mm is fine for an IP-057, I would believe the geometry should be fine.  Any more than that, you don't need a hard tail, you need a FS bike.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on January 27, 2015, 03:43:06 PM
Thanks Carbon_Dude

Sorry to ask so many dumb questions but never built my own bike before.

Can you guys take a look at this groupset and make sure that those SLX Components will work on the IP-057.
http://www.merlincycles.com/shimano-slx-m675-2-x-10-disc-brake-groupset-58862.html
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: MTB2223 on January 27, 2015, 03:59:35 PM
There are no dumb questions!

About the group. Looks good. Some part options are out of stock.
Do you know which chainrings you want and what cassette?
The long cage shadow+ is a good one. If you decide later to go for 1x10, it's possible then.

I'm not really sure if the FD is the right one. Don't know what the different is between top swing and top pull. But I think it's okay.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: Carbon_Dude on January 27, 2015, 04:08:35 PM
The SLX groupset is a solid group.  You should have no problem with a long cage shadow+ R/D, Brake rotors are 6-bolt which hopefully match your hubs, I'd recommend the 11-36T cassette for the widest range, your choice on the chain ring option, 26/38 is common for a 2x setup but 24/38 would be useful if you do a lot of long climbs.  I have no idea if the "double front derailleur option is right for an IP-057 frame.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: Patrick C. on January 27, 2015, 08:42:01 PM
You want the standard Shimano SLX M676 Double Front Derailleur- that's what I have on my IP-057.   The rest of my group is XT, but they were out of XT front ders when I ordered. The SLX front der is excellent- it shifts cleanly with no jerks even when pedaling uphill.

I wouldn't give up the time I've had my Chiner, but the XT group is now almost $100 less than when I ordered >:(
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on January 27, 2015, 11:26:05 PM
Thanks guys, good to know I am getting the right stuff. That XT set at only a few hundred dollars more sure is tempting me though. Got to keep myself under control or the wife wont be happy.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: MTB2223 on January 28, 2015, 01:32:23 AM
Quote from: bdub on January 27, 2015, 11:26:05 PM
Thanks guys, good to know I am getting the right stuff. That XT set at only a few hundred dollars more sure is tempting me though. Got to keep myself under control or the wife wont be happy.
Don't worry about your wife. When you come home after your first ride, with a big smile, she's happy again. And it's a long term investment  ;D
But don't let us talk money out of your pocket. It's your decision and as Carbon_Dude said: The SLX groupset is a solid group.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: JohnnyNT on January 28, 2015, 02:47:33 AM
Quote from: bdub on January 27, 2015, 12:28:55 PM
I am looking at a Fox Float in 120mm. I have seen someone on MTBR put that much travel on a 057 but is it actually a good idea or will it mess up the geometry, put to much pressure on the frame?

Also what amount of offset works best with this frame?

Fox 120 mm has 521mm Axle to Crown length and will change angles of 19" IP-057 by 0.71 degree, not that much
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: davidd on January 28, 2015, 08:59:26 AM
I'm not sure what you have or have not bought at this stage but if you're happy buying from Europe, and with the current dollar/euro situation you should be, can I suggest the following;

hibike.com
bike-discount.de
bike24.de
rczbikeshop.com

hibike and bikediscount are substantially cheaper than even chainreaction, where I used to buy all my stuff.  RCZ have absolutely incredible clearance and promotional deals.  They're not great if you want it NOW but if you subscribe to their newsletters you can pick up unreal bargains.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: carbonazza on January 28, 2015, 09:22:40 AM
davidd,  since you put a list of online shops in Europe.
Here is www.r2-bike.com (http://www.r2-bike.com), from Germany too.
They have generally the special parts you will not find easily elsewhere.

bike-discount.de and bike24.com have huge stock and are generally cheaper than the UK shops.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on January 28, 2015, 09:37:54 AM
Thanks guys. I will for sure check out these other sites.

I am a bit torn on getting the Fox fork. I can get a Reba for $100 less. Is the Fox worth it?
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: Carbon_Dude on January 28, 2015, 09:42:58 AM
I have a Rockshox Reba Dual Air on my IP-057 which is not in production anymore but works great.  On my FS 29er I have a Fox CTD remote and it is also nice because I can select from three different settings using the remote lever on the bar.  If it wasn't for the remote options, I'd say there is very little perceptible difference between an equivalently priced Rockshox or Fox Fork.  Unless you are going with a remote lock out, go for the fork that is the best value.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: JohnnyNT on January 28, 2015, 11:21:17 AM
Great idea about the list of the shops, maybe make a sticky out of them in the "components deals&selection" subforum ?
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on January 28, 2015, 03:02:21 PM
Quote from: Carbon_Dude on January 28, 2015, 09:42:58 AM
I have a Rockshox Reba Dual Air on my IP-057 which is not in production anymore but works great.  On my FS 29er I have a Fox CTD remote and it is also nice because I can select from three different settings using the remote lever on the bar.  If it wasn't for the remote options, I'd say there is very little perceptible difference between an equivalently priced Rockshox or Fox Fork.  Unless you are going with a remote lock out, go for the fork that is the best value.

I was thinking the same. I like the CTD system but for a hard tail its not nearly as important.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on January 28, 2015, 03:28:59 PM
Quote from: davidd on January 28, 2015, 08:59:26 AM
I'm not sure what you have or have not bought at this stage but if you're happy buying from Europe, and with the current dollar/euro situation you should be, can I suggest the following;

hibike.com
bike-discount.de
bike24.de
rczbikeshop.com

hibike and bikediscount are substantially cheaper than even chainreaction, where I used to buy all my stuff.  RCZ have absolutely incredible clearance and promotional deals.  They're not great if you want it NOW but if you subscribe to their newsletters you can pick up unreal bargains.

Damn BikeDiscount has a SID for under $500 US. That's pretty damn impressive.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: Carbon_Dude on January 28, 2015, 07:23:24 PM
Quote from: bdub on January 28, 2015, 03:28:59 PM
Quote from: davidd on January 28, 2015, 08:59:26 AM
I'm not sure what you have or have not bought at this stage but if you're happy buying from Europe, and with the current dollar/euro situation you should be, can I suggest the following;

hibike.com
bike-discount.de
bike24.de
rczbikeshop.com

hibike and bikediscount are substantially cheaper than even chainreaction, where I used to buy all my stuff.  RCZ have absolutely incredible clearance and promotional deals.  They're not great if you want it NOW but if you subscribe to their newsletters you can pick up unreal bargains.

Damn BikeDiscount has a SID for under $500 US. That's pretty damn impressive.

Grab it!  (As long as it's the right axle style and travel you need)
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on January 29, 2015, 12:58:37 AM
Just couldn't pull the trigger on the SID. Was just to much to spend on the relatively small advantage of the SID over the Reba. At least for my use it's a relatively small advantage. If I was going to race this bike or something I would have absolutely gone for the SID.

So.. I ordered this stuff.

http://www.bike-discount.de/en/buy/rock-shox-reba-rl-29-solo-air-100-tapered-ml15-black-266499/wg_id-8720
http://www.bike-discount.de/en/buy/dt-swiss-m-1900-spline-29-wheelset-100-15-x-142-12-139223/wg_id-8821

I hope that's a good wheel set.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: Carbon_Dude on January 29, 2015, 07:52:15 AM
The Reba Sola Air and DT Swiss XR1900 wheels are a high value, solid choices for your build.  I particularly like the star ratchet in the DT Swiss hub, it's a mechanically simplistic design that works very well.  You should be quite happy with those components on your Chiner frame.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: JohnnyNT on January 29, 2015, 08:21:12 AM
Unfortunately these wheels don't have star ratchet but normal pawl system, still really nice for the price though.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on January 29, 2015, 10:16:57 AM
Well I know they are not the best wheels but I figure I will get some carbon hoops in a year or so.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: Carbon_Dude on January 29, 2015, 10:33:08 AM
My mistake, I forgot that the budget DT Swiss wheels do not have the star ratchet system.  Either way, DT Swiss makes quality components, I'm sure you will be happy with them.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on January 29, 2015, 12:35:31 PM
Can someone explain to me what I-Spec B Model mean on XT? From what I can tell the brake lever and shifter are combined?
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: Carbon_Dude on January 29, 2015, 12:46:10 PM
I believe it means you can use a special bracket/hardware kit to mount the shifter and the brake lever together.  It makes for a cleaner cockpit, possibly improved ergonomics.  SRAM makes something similar called Matchmaker.  Since I have a SRAM drivetrain and Shimano brakes, it's not something I bothered to look into on either of my builds.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: MTB2223 on January 29, 2015, 12:48:02 PM
Quote from: Carbon_Dude on January 29, 2015, 12:46:10 PM
I believe it means you can use a special bracket/hardware kit to mount the shifter and the brake lever together.
This is correct.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on January 29, 2015, 12:59:42 PM
Aww OK makes sense. I can use them normally though correct?
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: DECIM8 on January 29, 2015, 01:49:44 PM
Quote from: bdub on January 29, 2015, 12:35:31 PM
Can someone explain to me what I-Spec B Model mean on XT? From what I can tell the brake lever and shifter are combined?

Just be mindful that when you order hydraulic brakes from Europe they often come "moto" style. Moto style is front brake on the right and is more common in the EU. Mountain bikes in the US have the front brake on the left. All it means is that you MAY have to swap the hydraulic lines. On Shimano hydraulics you may need new olives to do this. Some EU sellers note which style they are, some do not. Just something to be mindful of.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: davidd on January 29, 2015, 02:13:23 PM
Quote from: bdub on January 29, 2015, 12:35:31 PM
Can someone explain to me what I-Spec B Model mean on XT? From what I can tell the brake lever and shifter are combined?

Shimano have two systems of mounting the shifter on the brake lever, the original I-spec (A?) and the later I spec B.  It's well explained here http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/difference-between-shimano-i-spec-types-a-and-b (http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/difference-between-shimano-i-spec-types-a-and-b)

I bought XT brakes from bike-discount in the last few weeks. Both came with looonng hoses and would need trimming front and back.  A spare olive and insert were also in the box.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: carbonazza on January 29, 2015, 02:54:36 PM
Quote from: DECIM8 on January 29, 2015, 01:49:44 PM
brakes from Europe they often come "moto" style

Well... there is only one country in Europe where they drive on the "other side": the UK.
All other countries have the front brake on the left.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: davidd on January 29, 2015, 03:08:42 PM
Quote from: carbonazza on January 29, 2015, 02:54:36 PM
Well... there is only one country in Europe where they drive on the "other side": the UK.
All other countries have the front brake on the left.

Ah Carbonazza, Greetings from Ireland ! I know we're small but last time I looked we were still in Europe (whether thats good or bad is open to discussion) And we drive on the left.  ;)
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: carbonazza on January 29, 2015, 03:14:06 PM
davidd, yeah.... when I clicked "Post", a doubt flashed but it was too late :)
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: davidd on January 29, 2015, 03:21:49 PM
Quote from: carbonazza on January 29, 2015, 03:14:06 PM
davidd, yeah.... when I clicked "Post", a doubt flashed but it was too late :)

No problem, anyone from a country that pioneered chips with mayo and cyclocross can get away with anything.. ;D
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: Patrick C. on January 29, 2015, 03:22:09 PM
Isn't Ireland part of England? 

[flame suit]   :)



I ordered from Merlin and got the 'normal' front brake on the left.  The hose is long, but not so long that it has overcome my laziness to make me trim it (it just makes a slightly larger loop).

I wish I had known about the i spec mounts before I ordered-  I didn't realize I had to specify the mounts.  Some people prefer separate mounts to have them at different angles, but I think I'd prefer to have the shifters further inboard, more tucked under the levers.  Replacement mounts are pretty pricey for what they are, so I'm sticking with the two clamps.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: davidd on January 29, 2015, 03:28:17 PM
Quote from: Patrick C. on January 29, 2015, 03:22:09 PM
Isn't Ireland part of England? 

[flame suit]   :)



Careful now or I'll send Conor "the notorious" McGregor over to sort you out  ;)

On I spec; I got it this time as I like the idea, however I'll have to see how it works in practice.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on January 29, 2015, 03:44:55 PM
It's weird on Merlin they don't specify the I spec on the brake levers so who knows maybe they won't combine with the Ispec shifters. Guess we will find out in a few weeks because I caved in and bought the XT group instead of SLX.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: davidd on January 29, 2015, 03:49:51 PM
Quote from: bdub on January 29, 2015, 03:44:55 PM
It's weird on Merlin they don't specify the I spec on the brake levers so who knows maybe they won't combine with the Ispec shifters. Guess we will find out in a few weeks because I caved in and bought the XT group instead of SLX.

I wouldn't worry. I'd imagine that all current sets are B compatible, to the point that it's no longer worth mentioning.  Nice levers!
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: Patrick C. on January 29, 2015, 03:50:46 PM
You really can't go wrong either way.  You can justify it by saying you won't be as tempted to upgrad in the future, so in the long run it will save you money. 




Disclaimer- don't try to use that justification outside of a bike forum.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on January 29, 2015, 04:37:33 PM
Awesome well everything has been ordered. Now to just wait for delivery and pray for better weather so I can ride soon.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: brmeyer135 on January 29, 2015, 04:57:04 PM
I ordered Shimano shifters from Merlin in i-spec.
If you don't like the ergonomics of i-spec - pretty much shifter sits on brake with 3/4" left to right adjustment.
If you like your brakes angled down(you standing out of your seat) but like your shifter angled for when your sitting - no go...they sit at the same angle.

Otherwise, you can't beat the RS Reba fork.  Good price...great weight and comes in 100 or 120 if desired:  see here:  http://www.bike-discount.de/en/buy/rock-shox-reba-rl-29-solo-air-120-tapered-ml15-black-255259/wg_id-8722
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on January 29, 2015, 06:14:26 PM
Quote from: brmeyer135 on January 29, 2015, 04:57:04 PM
I ordered Shimano shifters from Merlin in i-spec.
If you don't like the ergonomics of i-spec - pretty much shifter sits on brake with 3/4" left to right adjustment.
If you like your brakes angled down(you standing out of your seat) but like your shifter angled for when your sitting - no go...they sit at the same angle.

Otherwise, you can't beat the RS Reba fork.  Good price...great weight and comes in 100 or 120 if desired:  see here:  http://www.bike-discount.de/en/buy/rock-shox-reba-rl-29-solo-air-120-tapered-ml15-black-255259/wg_id-8722

Hmm well I hope the I-spec works out and fits me OK.

Pretty much the exact Reba I got except went for 100 instead of 120.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: foamman1 on January 29, 2015, 07:04:31 PM
Bdub,
  I know this may be a little to little a little too late ,but i just recieved an email from Ribble for extra 10% off. DISC10 Well maybe it will help someone else.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on January 30, 2015, 10:20:00 AM
Quote from: foamman1 on January 29, 2015, 07:04:31 PM
Bdub,
  I know this may be a little to little a little too late ,but i just recieved an email from Ribble for extra 10% off. DISC10 Well maybe it will help someone else.

Thanks foamman1, I don't need it but I am sure someone could use it.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on February 03, 2015, 09:18:59 PM
Received my frame today! Frame was packed so well it took me 30 minutes just to get all the bubble wrap off of everything. I have no idea how these things get damaged during shipping but it's by far the best packed package I have ever received. Also purchased the seat post, handlebar, and headset. All came looking good.

Now to wait for the other stuff so I can get this thing built.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: Arraider on February 04, 2015, 03:03:14 AM
nice, now comes the fun part..  ;)
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: Carbon_Dude on February 04, 2015, 08:38:47 AM
Quote from: bdub on February 03, 2015, 09:18:59 PM
Received my frame today! Frame was packed so well it took me 30 minutes just to get all the bubble wrap off of everything. I have no idea how these things get damaged during shipping but it's by far the best packed package I have ever received. Also purchased the seat post, handlebar, and headset. All came looking good.

Now to wait for the other stuff so I can get this thing built.

I agree, they are well packaged.  However, on my IP-057, one of the drop outs poked through the box and got a little scraped up.  I mentioned it to Peter in hopes that XMI covers the drop outs with bubble wrap on future shipments.  Once I mounted the r/d you could not see the damage to the rear drop out.

While it seems with all the bubble wrap that the frames are well packaged, sometimes the boxes are abused by the shippers.  I think they see that it comes from China and they make an extra effort to beat up the boxes even more.  With all the frames that are shipped, I would like to see XMIplay create some custom foam pieces to take the place of the bubble wrap and do an even better job protecting the frame.  However, custom packaging costs money, bubble wrap and tape are cheap so I doubt we will see any changes.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on February 04, 2015, 10:10:20 AM
The dropouts were wrapped so maybe he did listen to you after all. I agree, custom spacers in the corners would have helped but from what I have seen nothing would have stopped the damage some people have had on their frames.

In the end this frame is coming a really long way and a lot of different people are touching the box and throwing it into planes and trucks. It's a miracle we don't hear about more damaged frames.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on February 09, 2015, 10:31:07 AM
It's been in the 50's and 60's here for the last few weeks. while I wait for my components to be delivered and I am getting really anxious to try out this new bike. Of course as soon as I finally get all my stuff it will snow the next day.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on February 11, 2015, 05:05:06 PM
Random question, but did those of you who used Jagwire cables, use the inner liner with the runs through the frame or just the bare cable?
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: Carbon_Dude on February 11, 2015, 06:41:00 PM
For my IP-057, the shift cable was run bare with a ferrule at each end.  Not sure it would work right if you tried using a cable liner of any kind in the frame.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: Sitar_Ned on February 11, 2015, 07:08:25 PM
I tried using the inner lining that comes with the Jagwire cables but the fit was too tight.. I probably could have gotten it through but I was literally to the point of having to jam it through and it was moving a centimeter at a time. Finally decided it was best to just discard the inner lining, and all worked fine. Guess I'll never know if shifting performance would be better with the liner.. I wish the inner cable routing was the same diameter as it is on the brake side because then you it'd definitely slide through with ease. Sucks to buy the fancy cables, read about how the super duper teflon lining provides superior shifting, only to not be able to use it. I'd probably never notice it one way or the other, but I think it's safe to say that most of us here want to get maximum performance for our dollar, no matter how incremental the performance increase is.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: MTNRCKT on February 11, 2015, 07:42:53 PM
^^ Yep. Pretty much my experience exactly.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on February 12, 2015, 12:01:29 AM
Well that saves me a lot of frustration in trying to get it to work. To bad but oh well what can you do.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: Carbon_Dude on February 12, 2015, 07:01:46 AM
I did put on a cable lubricant when installing my r/d and remote lockout cables.  I think it was Cablemagic, lubes the cable and helps prevent corrosion.  My shifting is as smooth and accurate as the day I built the bike.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on February 12, 2015, 10:05:00 AM
Quote from: Carbon_Dude on February 12, 2015, 07:01:46 AM
I did put on a cable lubricant when installing my r/d and remote lockout cables.  I think it was Cablemagic, lubes the cable and helps prevent corrosion.  My shifting is as smooth and accurate as the day I built the bike.

Interesting, everywhere I read says you don't need to lubricate modern cables. I may look into that, it can't hurt.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: ecaos on February 12, 2015, 10:54:30 AM
Hi, I just bought a Jagwire MTN Pro kit, it’s my first time using something different than the standard shimano steel cable + prelubed housing. I bought the kit expecting better performance for longer. I hadn’t paid that much attention to the whole kit until reading this so I didn’t know there is a separate piece of liner besides the housing. My frame has internal cable routing and from reading the instructions on the kit, seems to me that the liner is for those sections of external routing in between cable stops where there’s no housing. So, the liner shouldn’t be used in internal routing, isn’t it?
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: cmh on February 12, 2015, 02:47:46 PM
Quote from: Carbon_Dude on February 12, 2015, 07:01:46 AM
I did put on a cable lubricant when installing my r/d and remote lockout cables.  I think it was Cablemagic, lubes the cable and helps prevent corrosion.  My shifting is as smooth and accurate as the day I built the bike.

I've tried cable lubes in the past and have found that running them dry works best as long as you're using good quality cables and housing, and that doesn't necessarily mean expensive. Especially if you have multiple short sections of housing vs. a full run, it just seems like cable lube winds up attracting dirt and such. For the most part, they don't hurt, for sure, but I just haven't found them to be necessary or increase longevity.

To that point, I've tried a bunch of the high end fancy cable/housing sets - Nokon, Gore, etc - and don't find it to be worth the money. It's kinda like expensive spark plug wires for your car - if your old cables were really beat, the expensive new ones will make it seem like they're super awesome - when a new set of basic cables would have done the same thing. Plus, you don't feel so bad about regularly changing them which I've found over the years to be by far the best way to maintain shifting performance.

As for preventing corrosion, you should never be using anything but stainless cable so that shouldn't be an issue. :) Haven't found any benefit to running drawn cables or coated cables, so I just run plain stainless Jagwire cables.

Run full housing wherever you can, and replace it when the shifting isn't perfect.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on February 12, 2015, 04:28:17 PM
Received my fork and wheelset from Bike-Discount.de today. Parts were packaged extremely well, and certainly no damage to anything. Total shipping time was exactly 2 weeks and didn't own any duties or taxes either.

Would definitely recommend them to anyone looking for a great price.

Now just waiting for my Merlin package. Will be exactly 2 weeks tomorrow so hopefully it comes before the long weekend.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: Andy on February 12, 2015, 06:48:35 PM
Quote from: Carbon_Dude on February 12, 2015, 07:01:46 AM
I did put on a cable lubricant when installing my r/d and remote lockout cables.  I think it was Cablemagic, lubes the cable and helps prevent corrosion.  My shifting is as smooth and accurate as the day I built the bike.

I also use cable lubricant on all my bikes.  Cuts down on friction HUGE!!!!  Highly recommended for the ultimate performance from your shift/derailleur system.
Andy
Ip036
Ltk023
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on February 19, 2015, 01:12:58 PM
Going on 20 days since I ordered my XT Groupset from Merlins. Starting to get a little frustrated with this.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on February 20, 2015, 11:08:39 AM
Apparently my package has been lost at the Royal Mail facility in the UK since 3 days after they shipped it, so over 2 weeks. Merlin probably could have fixed this last week when I emailed them if they hadn't blown me off. Really awful customer service.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on February 25, 2015, 10:41:53 AM
Finally received my package from Merlins. What an adventure that was. Package went from the UK to the Netherlands, all the way to San Francisco and then finally to Utah. Hope to get this thing built by the weekend.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on February 28, 2015, 12:38:59 PM
I have everything installed and now just trying to adjust the shifting and running into some issues. When I go to the biggest gear in the back and front the chain jams on the front derailleur. When installing the bottom bracket I used one spacer on the drive side per instructions. Possible that I shouldn't have used any?
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on February 28, 2015, 03:06:50 PM
Here she is all done. Just need to do a little adjusting here and there but she is ready to ride.

(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah154/bdubracer/17830e4c-fc7d-45d5-b17f-79c3be05bb80_zps6p90abt1.jpg~original) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/bdubracer/media/17830e4c-fc7d-45d5-b17f-79c3be05bb80_zps6p90abt1.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on March 02, 2015, 04:08:00 PM
Updated my first post with my build list and prices.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: Carbon_Dude on March 02, 2015, 09:28:35 PM
Nice job keeping the cost down to around $2,000 USD.  Best bang for the buck!
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: MTB2223 on March 03, 2015, 03:29:49 AM
Looking good!! Do you know the total weight ?
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on March 03, 2015, 11:01:02 AM
Thanks guys. Not sure on weight yet. Need to take it in to the shop to have it weighed.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on March 18, 2015, 12:13:39 PM
Finally was able to get in a few rides and I am really like this bike. However I do have a few fit issues that I am not sure of the best way to fix. Going up hill it feel great but on the downhill it feels very twitchy and I feel like I am over the handle bars to much. What are things I can try to fix that?
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: JohnnyNT on March 18, 2015, 02:00:26 PM
Offset seatpost maybe ?
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: Carbon_Dude on March 18, 2015, 07:22:00 PM
Shorter stem, wider bars should take away some of the twitchiness.  My IP-057 has 680mm bars and a 100mm stem and it doesn't feel twitchy to me.  I am seeing bars as wide as 800mm and 50mm stems on many of the brand name trail oriented bikes.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on March 20, 2015, 03:51:21 PM
The bars I am using now are 700mm and my stem is 70mm. Thinking I may need to try the Offset seatpost as JohnnyNT suggested.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on April 18, 2015, 07:39:23 PM
Had a little crash today and put a few scratches into my frame. They are cosmetic but not sure if I need to do anything to them?

(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah154/bdubracer/Mobile%20Uploads/edfa19fc-be1d-4701-88c8-fa169882b98e_zpsoev7qdcp.jpg~original) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/bdubracer/media/Mobile%20Uploads/edfa19fc-be1d-4701-88c8-fa169882b98e_zpsoev7qdcp.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: Carbon_Dude on April 18, 2015, 08:44:57 PM
Just a few scratches, nothing you can do but go ride some more.
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: Oolak on April 18, 2015, 09:16:03 PM
Structurally, it's fine. Aesthetically, maybe try a black marker?
Title: Re: Budget Build
Post by: bdub on April 20, 2015, 10:14:33 AM
I figured that was the case but wanted to make sure.