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Other Resources => Component Deals & Selection => Topic started by: dokken on June 04, 2016, 04:33:32 AM
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Hi friends, Im newbie here and I have one question.
Any experience with china brand LTWOO?
especially 1X11 group set
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/LTWOO-1X11-speed-170-34T-36T-mtb-bike-bicycle-group-set-mountain-bike-groupset/32634754261.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.9.5EnKR9&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_10,searchweb201602_1_10037_10017_507_10032_401,searchweb201603_6&btsid=1b4454f4-62df-46ff-a238-3aab0c0462c4
video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNdbY4PO7YM
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Interesting. So this is basically a sram replica?
Sorry, no info to contribute but thanks for posting. I was unaware these exist and will definitely be following along to see how they perform. They are insanely cheaper/more affordable that's for sure.
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How long have these been on the market? May be too new for their to be any real feedback on them yet. I knew we would eventually be seeing some sram 1x11 replicas but this is the first time I'm seeing them. Can't wait til we start getting some user reviews on for them
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Interesting.
Wonder what the weight is? Although the one listed for sale is a 170 crank, I'd want a 175.
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I think I'd rather pay the extra 80 or so dollars and get an XT group. At least you'll know what you're getting with the Shimano group. 11sp SLX will be out pretty soon too. That will be less than XT.
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I found another links:
http://baikbike.com/china-made-derailleurs-ltwoo-produces-asian-fit-derailleurs/
I used here translator:
http://www.biketo.com/product/geartest/22446.html
interesting
(http://www.biketo.com/d/file/product/geartest/2015-04-30/1cb0a097c2c4838139376b2234eed85d.jpg)
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1x11 groupset for ~$150 is really inexpensive: http://www.gccycle.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=61_85&product_id=194
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Interesting how there is never any specifics on these parts. Materials, weight, warranty are all unknown. Sure it's cheap, but I'm pretty skeptical at this point. You may find out it works terribly and wears out fast or rusts easily.
For an extra $200, I would just stick with SRAM GX 1x11 for now.
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That's right, not much information about this product..
something more here:
http://www.lelong.com.my/ltwoo-1x11-groupset-11-speed-sram-shimano-compatible-mtb-icebikeheaven-I2426589B-2007-01-Sale-I.htm
1 X LTWOO crankset with bearing (left and right): 36T - (170MM) Silver/ Black 660g
Universal Sealed BB compatible with carbon / alloy / titanium / aluminum / steel frame. 80g
1 X LTWOO Rear Derailleur (work like XT shadow plus) 235g
1 X Shifter 11 speed 120g
1 X 11 speed flywheel/ cassette (11- 42T) 510g
1 X 11 ONZE TAYA high quality 11-speed chain 255g
Weight : only 1920g full set
( Black/ silver Chrome)
All components are compatible with shimano and sram x11 mountain bike, MTB xc racing.
Quality level can rival XT groupset.
Similar light weight group set from sram / Shimano easily cost you rm2k.
Taiwan Made, warranty 365days by LTWOO
Compatible with Shimano Deore XT M8000 11 Speed Groupset (1x11)
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A friend of mine got this... He said it almost the same with Shimano XT performance!!! ;) Been thinking, I might try this... Just for a change,,,, ;D
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Try it and let us know how it works out :)
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Interesting how there is never any specifics on these parts. Materials, weight, warranty are all unknown. Sure it's cheap, but I'm pretty skeptical at this point. You may find out it works terribly and wears out fast or rusts easily.
For an extra $200, I would just stick with SRAM GX 1x11 for now.
I don't know.. If the set is priced at $150 then $200 extra is a big jump. I don't see any reason why it would perform below par considering they most likely just imitated the name brand counterparts. If the weight was decent, I might would be interested in using it for my next build (definitely a 29+ btw - you've thoroughly convinced me) but like you said durability would be my main concern. Guess time will tell. Really hope some people chime in soon with their experiences with LTWOO components.
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LTWOO 1X12 speed prototype
http://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/2016-Taipei-Bike-Show,9871/11-46t-Cassette-from-the-Back-Alley,102420/sspomer,2
(http://s32.postimg.org/4lq1rnbgh/DSC_0417.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/4lq1rnbgh/)
(http://s31.postimg.org/3nryxmshj/DSC_0443.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/3nryxmshj/)
(http://s32.postimg.org/vfmvyb3nl/IMG_4645.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/vfmvyb3nl/)
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12 speed is getting a bit more interesting.
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Hi Dokken, are you in any way associated with LTWOO?
I mean that if you are, your presence here would have a lot more value with you saying it upfront. We could ask you questions, provide feedback, gain trust... and maybe buy.
If we suspect a hidden advertisement the trust is definitely lost. So please clarify. We have vendors coming here, it's OK and even encouraged!
My first feedback is on the 1x11 video. This does not inspire confidence. Shifting is really poor, specifically with small sprokets. I suspect that to be due to the too-long chain. It's such a pity to develop a complete drivetrain and show poor performance because of demo setup :-[
My second feedback is on 1x12 design. If I go to 1x12 one day I want more range then 11-46. This range is actually smaller then 11sp cassette 10-42.
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Hi Dokken, are you in any way associated with LTWOO?
I mean that if you are, your presence here would have a lot more value with you saying it upfront. We could ask you questions, provide feedback, gain trust... and maybe buy.
If we suspect a hidden advertisement the trust is definitely lost. So please clarify. We have vendors coming here, it's OK and even encouraged!
Judging from is ip info, I don't think he is
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Thanks Sitar-Ned!
I want to clarify that I really meant no offense here :) it's just that Dokken has exclusively posted on LTWOO, so I thought he could be related to them. Actually, that's too bad that he's not!
Anyway, I had a deeper look into LTWOO and I'm not ready for that. My point is that each technology is finally 1 generation behind. 12sp has the range of 11sp, and similarly 11sp offers the range of 10sp. We are not into road bike where they like 1 tooth between each sproket, we want RANGE!! So when you compare LTWOO with SRAM or Shimano (in term of cost, weight) you need to compare the n-1 generation, and honestly a 10sp SRAM or Shimano groupset is affordable.
Sorry, but I don't see the value for now. Bump up the range and I'll think twice about it.
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No offense taken at all man.. No worries! I agree, if you're affiliated with a vendor it's much more beneficial for everyone to just be up front about it. I never really understand why they would try to post about their products "undercover" anyways. But they definitely do.
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This really isn't where you want to save money.
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I'm not a seller!
I only found this brand ... nothing more
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Again, that's too bad! It would have been interesting to discuss with someone from LTWOO.
I'd be curious to understand if they plan to increase the range of their cassette. That's a big show stopper to me. Their 11sp product does not offer more range then SRAM or Shimano 10sp.
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(https://s31.postimg.org/v6rudaj1j/1422754932058_1g5taz8mkmtfm_960_540.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/v6rudaj1j/)
(https://s32.postimg.org/lp5x64gm9/1422754932058_15z3bx71hdzi6_960_540.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/lp5x64gm9/)
(https://s32.postimg.org/5pe5ota81/1422755604069_dqo2ymz0xpyw_960_540.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/5pe5ota81/)
LTWOO AERO 11SPEED 11-42T
(https://s32.postimg.org/6w8q1lro1/LTWOO_AERO_11_SPEED_11_42_T.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/6w8q1lro1/)
and prototype 12s 11-46T
(https://s31.postimg.org/hvy0joj2f/s1600_TR_9391.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/hvy0joj2f/)
Sram Eagle 12s 10-50
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Strange, the range indicated is inaccurate. See correct range in the table below. As I mentioned earlier, LTWOO range is one generation behind SRAM (but similar to Shimano who went the 2x route with Synchroshift, which explains to me why they don't push the limit of 1x)
| Speed | SRAM | Shimano | LTWOO |
| 11 | 42/10=420% | 42/11=380% | 42/11=380% |
| 12 | 50/10=500% | N.A. | 46/11=420% |