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Chinese Carbon MTB => 29er => Topic started by: Sitar_Ned on June 04, 2014, 10:56:23 PM
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Okay so reading through a through a thread today and realized I don't even know what all frames are currently available - Fairly certain I'm not alone. All these unbranded, unstickered, numbered, all matte black frames are hard to keep up with!
So I thought it logical to start a thread compiling what all frames are available.
I'll start separate threads for hardtail and full suspension, and the threads will be stickied and moderated to remove duplicate entries and posts that do not add to the conversation. You're free to ask all the questions you like about the below frames.. but please do start another thread to do so. You are more than welcome to post in this thread - in fact, please do! - It just needs to be in the format that we collectively decide on - a standard level of info will make this thread all the more valuable as more and more frames become available.
This is strictly an info resource, and in order for it be of actual value then it will need more than just random mentions and discussions of frames. Therefore all posts should ideally aim to provide most of the following information:
name of frame
other known names of frame
amount of travel (if applicable)
weight (if known. this isn't mandatory bc we don't always have the info readily available however it is a major factor in most people's decision)
price (this can vary between vendors - doesn't have to be exact but at least a price range would be helpful for people)
picture of just frame
picture of frame assembled into complete bike
That should about cover most of the important points. Like I said, this isn't about having strict standards really.. I just feel that a solid effort to provide the basic information will result in a much more valuable resource for people. If the information is limited, no biggie, we can always add it later on if it becomes available. So if you see a listing with some info missing that you happen to know.. feel free to chime in and one of us will add it to the original listing.
To start, here's some geometries of some of the most popular frames:
FM218
(http://i.imgur.com/MiEKbwe.jpg)
CS-MB01
(http://i.imgur.com/poRvQxu.jpg)
CS-041
(http://i.imgur.com/yXnAd9s.jpg)
CS-256-SL
(http://i.imgur.com/ioCl4Nf.jpg)
WCB-M-062
(http://i.imgur.com/iMWMQ85.jpg)
And here is a chart Carbon_Dude made up containing geometries for some name brand frames for comparison:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/S2k_Dude/geometry.jpg)
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The IP-057
Originally, the version of the frame without the 142x12mm rear end was called the IP-056 but now there is just the 057. Here's a thread with additional info such as headset specifications and geometry charts. http://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,3.0.html
Depending on where you purchase it from the 057 will cost you about $500 shipped. Comes with option of BSA or BB30 bottom bracket with the claimed weights:
15.5'' - 1230g+/-40g,
17.5'' - 1260+/-40gg,
19'' - 1285g+/-40g,
21'' - 1310+/-40g
(http://i.imgur.com/JjpiGAB.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/p0CK1iA.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/XFlicMK.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/QYWzQ9j.jpg)
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IP-256 SL 29er Frame from iPlay:
(http://s25.postimg.org/fu754bkjj/IP_256_29_ER.jpg)
(http://s29.postimg.org/nshcx14vb/IP_256_29_ER_01.jpg)
(http://s29.postimg.org/fbhum406f/IP_256_29_ER_02.jpg)
(http://s29.postimg.org/7y2gn5g4n/IP_256_29_ER_03.jpg)
(http://s29.postimg.org/sw8ml8fzb/IP_256_29_ER_04.jpg)
(http://s29.postimg.org/fumxvdrl3/IP_256_29_ER_05.jpg)
(http://s29.postimg.org/mfznv57fr/IP_256_29_ER_06.jpg)
(http://s29.postimg.org/upbj9k15z/IP_256_29_ER_07.jpg)
(http://s29.postimg.org/5n4eiz5d3/IP_256_29_ER_08.jpg)
(http://s29.postimg.org/f92kd0lwn/IP_256_29_ER_09.jpg)
(http://s29.postimg.org/vhe78r5d3/IP_256_29_ER_10.jpg)
(http://s29.postimg.org/4osmufhev/IP_256_29_ER_11.jpg)
(http://s29.postimg.org/dvaxhpmnb/IP_256_29_ER_12.jpg)
(http://s29.postimg.org/wrgm1joiv/IP_256_29_ER_13.jpg)
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Are there stack and reach numbers for the 256SL? :-\
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I've got some new pictures of the IP-256 from Peter. The first edition of the IP-256 had an option for external cable routing and there were some cable bolts visible on the pictures. This option isn't available anymore.
The new pictures shows an IP-256 with the QR option. 142x12 option is still available.
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Are there stack and reach numbers for the 256SL? :-\
I don't understand what you mean ...
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http://www.cervelo.com/en/engineering/thinking-and-processes/geometry-and-fit.html
The 256SL is almost a straight copy of the Open 1.0...with the exception of the slacker head tube.
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IP-256 SL Frame [17.5'',BSA,UD matt,142x12] $560
NECO/Iplay Headset $15
Spare rear derailleur hanger $20
Chainstay protector $2
Shipping $80
Plus 4% for Paypal fees.
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Yeoleo 29er Carbon Fiber Mountain Bike Frame - YCMSF05
http://www.yoeleobike.com/29er-carbon-frame-for-mountain-bike.html
(http://s27.postimg.org/fy39rang3/Yoeleo29_HT.jpg)
(http://s12.postimg.org/e28ck7zd9/image.jpg)
(http://s15.postimg.org/vvxloat97/image.jpg)
(http://s21.postimg.org/hlc9yxsqf/IMG_2186.jpg)
(http://s30.postimg.org/epst2c7n5/IMG_2405.jpg)
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Can any proud owner of IP-256SL with BSA BB measure BB width for me (68mm, 73mm or some other value) ?
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73mm
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Thank you JoelK, it is unfortunate though, I hoped for 68mm.
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This is IP-106 from Iplay , size 16/18/20'', 135 and 142 interchangeable , but for the size 18/20, when I build it , i found we should use the rear disc brake line should be 155cm. for example the Shimano's XT 135mm line is too short.
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I'm trying to find a frame that fits me well, so i'm looking into geometric numbers
of the different frames.
I miss the stack and reach numbers on the IP-256.. I need to know them for the 21" frame to make a good decision on which frame i need. Prolly others need to know them for the other sizes aswell.
Secondly on most bikes you see the geometry on a axel to crow length of 506 mm. Why?
The rigid fork you van get are around 480 ish simulating atleast a 100 mm travel fork.
506mm axel to crown would be like a 130mm travel fork.. Nothing any XC rider would put on I suspect..
So what good do these stack bb drop and reach and head and seat tube angles do.. They change into a different numers for sure which makes things kind of a mess for me.
Hope somebody van shed some light;)
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IP-256 is almost exact copy of Scott Scale 9XX Carbon series, you should find stack and reach on Scott webpage.
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The numbers on a scale are different tho only the chainstay is exactly the same..
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What Scale are you looking at? The '14 Scale and the 256 are nearly identical:
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w167/kpluiten/Frame%20Measurement%20Comparison.png) (http://s176.photobucket.com/user/kpluiten/media/Frame%20Measurement%20Comparison.png.html)
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I was looking at a 910 in your list it does indeed get close! Thanks that helps alot!
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I'm thinking of buying the 057 frame, because when reading all topics this frame is the most reliable. But what is the max wheight these frame's can hold. I myself am a biker that wheights 105kg but the kg are dropping rappidly, expecting when frame will be delivered it will be less then 100kg
Can anyone confirm that this won't be a problem?
Thanks
Sergio
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I'm 93 kg, and not dropping :). Had my -057 a little over a year, and it's doing fine.
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One more question, This topic started in 2014. I searched on ebay and on Aliexpress. But can't seem to find these frames.
Are they replaced by other frames and other numbers? I can't find any other thread on this forum about other frames except for the 256 frame (less reliable) and the full frame version.
The frames that I found have complete different numbers.
FR202
FR207
FR216
FR225
FR501
But about these frames I cannot find any reviews. Are these the same but newer frames (2015)?
Hope someone can clarify this
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Sergio, welcome, glad you are on Chinertown. Since you're new here, I will throw you a bone. If you are interested in an 057 frame, rather than looking on eBay, contact Peter at xmcarbonspeed.com. You will get a good quality 057 frame, provide excellent customer service, and you can even have Peter do a custom paint job for you.
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Thx Carbon dude, but that's not really the answer I was aiming for. This looks more then an advertisement then an explanation.
can someone with experience about the FR frames give me some information. Are these frames strong and so on?
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Thx Carbon dude, but that's not really the answer I was aiming for. This looks more then an advertisement then an explanation.
can someone with experience about the FR frames give me some information. Are these frames strong and so on?
Sergio, If you are looking for a 057 I am not sure any of the FR frames are a match. Many of us here who have the 057 frame purchased them from Peter and know he offers a good frame and decent customer service. That is why Carbon Dude recommended you go through him.
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Hi all, yes that can be. But I allready found out that IP057 and FR202 are exact Identical. And much cheaper on ebay ;-)
thanks for the help guys
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I wanted to say that I had contact with the people behind Flyxii.com. And i must say that they are very impolyte.
I asked on skype what the differences where between the different 29-er frames, and all I got as answer is "look at the pictures and choose the one you like"
Well sorry but If you are to spend 5-600$ on a frame you could at least expect a decent answer on what the diffrences are in he different frame numbers. For example is one more for freeride, another more for XC.
After saying this a few times, they even blocked me on skype.
If that's all they can answer, I'm having my doubts about service and warranty also.
I hope this is info is of use to new buyers.
For myself I keep searching for a decent frame and decent support/answers.
Best regards
Sergio
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Maybe there's a reason folks like Carbon_Dude keep saying go with Peter. ;)
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I definitely want to try out the WCB-M-062 in a 20" the geometry looks about perfect for an xc race bike.
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Anyone had a chance to build one of the CarbonSpeed "softtails", the MB01? http://xmcarbonspeed.com/Productinfo.asp?f=1392. Wonder how Bridgestone feels about their naming of this one. This frame seems like the closest thing we'll get to the awesome BMC Team Elite TE01 softtail.
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I like that the MB-01 frame is 1x specific.
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Looking to build up a full rigid 29er with a relatively steep seat post angle for racing on dirt, groomed single track, and road. Any direction would be great.
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Looking to build up a full rigid 29er with a relatively steep seat post angle for racing on dirt, groomed single track, and road. Any direction would be great.
Hard to go wrong with the CS-057.
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Hard to go wrong with the CS-057.
Agreed. Based on my experience with a newer frame and experience of several friends with the 057, that frame is very well sorted and strong - plus as it's an older design, it's less expensive. It's about the only thing I'd consider at this point.
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Hi All,
Is there any list of 29er full-suspension frames?
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Hi All
So, with a few months without any updates in this thread, are there any new 29er Hardtail frames worth considering?
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what is the difference?
WCB-M-062(29er) http://www.workswellbikes.com/PRODDUCT/MTB/XC/20170117/16.html
062, to have a nice S-Works clone to go with all the Scale clones??
and
http://www.workswellbikes.com/PRODDUCT/MTB/XC/20170117/22.html
WCB-M-096(29er)
clone to???
What rigid frame would you choose for marathons?
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Looks like the The M-096 have external cable routing, rest looks all simmilar.
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Have anyone have any info on the CS-887-SL?
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The geometry image is not very readable.
Do you have a bigger definition ?
You can put it in imgur.com and just the link here.
For a hard tail, I would always prefer a 27.2mm seatpost for comfort.
Bigger seatposts give a harsher ride.
However they allow more and cheaper options if you plan to put a dropper seatpost.
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I’ll try imgur.com or i can mail it. Peter send it to me but not in pdf, thus i took a sceenshot. Thanks for the seatpost advice. I am looking at the CS-218, CS-887-SL, CS-MB01, LCM904 or WCB-M062(good qually but cable routing issues and heavy).
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Lets try again to post i better and readable CS-887 -SL geometry.
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$250 canadian for a 29er 1100g what do you think? anyways I ordered it. anyone know how to tell what bb that is?
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/TOSEEK-Bicycle-26er-27-5er-29er-carbon-frames-15-17-19-21-inch-carbon-mountain-bike/32846127141.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.8.Xzuk9U&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_1_5130011_10152_10065_10151_10344_10068_10130_10345_10342_10547_10343_51102_5870011_10340_10341_10548_10609_5000011_10541_10084_10083_10139_10307_5080011_5920011_10312_10059_10313_10314_10534_100031_10604_10103_10605_10594_5060011_10142_10107,searchweb201603_25,ppcSwitch_4&algo_expid=087ac603-ce4e-497e-8ed6-5e3387de1b46-1&algo_pvid=087ac603-ce4e-497e-8ed6-5e3387de1b46&transAbTest=ae803_5&rmStoreLevelAB=5
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Did you ask the seller already?
It looks to be a big hole compared to the width, so my bet is PF30 with 46mm 8)
This looks like the Tideace 009 which is a very good frame.
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thanks for the information! i treid to ask the seller but i cant figure out how.... oh well i figurd $250 cad shipped was too good to pass up. will follow up when it arrives
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Hello
Do you know if the CS-057 and OHR930C rims work with the SRAM GX Eagle 12 speed and a 38T front ring?
thank you
John
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Looking at the Xmiplay website but they do not list prices. Do you have to contact them to get a price list?
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Peter worked previously at Xmiplay then started his own shop to provide a great service.
However he's not in the bike industry anymore.
And it has been a long time nobody mentioned the name of Xmiplay in a post here.
Maybe look at the recent posts and check the web sites of these other providers instead.
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Is this list of ht carbon up to date?