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Chinese Carbon MTB => 29er => Topic started by: Jar_head on July 19, 2016, 09:17:59 AM
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I thought it would be better to start my own thread about my bike..
As I said, I ordered some screws for both brakes.. Another 18 grams lighter now :D
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In the next days I await some Carbon fiber rovings to build clamps for the brake levers. My father will help me out a little bit on this, cause I don't have much experience with that.
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Can you list the current build specifics and weight?
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In the next days I await some Carbon fiber rovings to build clamps for the brake levers.
Please send details about your build, this is the first time we see this here :)
Why do you want to do this? Just for the weight?
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Here we go ;)
(https://fstatic1.mtb-news.de/f3/20/2036/2036189-3fo2d7almopb-specs-large.png)
And this is the bike:
(https://fstatic3.mtb-news.de/f3/20/2033/2033399-312evb4zl2l1-20160713_121825-large.jpg)
Built for long distance marathon and CC races.
For the weight and to see if I can build (small) carbon parts by myself. ;)
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Your bike looks very great. Nice build.
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Very stealthy looking Chiner!
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So, the first pair of clamps is almost done. Now they have to harden 24 h. Can't wait how they work out ;D
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The very first pair I made this weekend, I used for testing. Bent, smashed and broke them. Gives me a little confidence to really mount them :o 8)
Also tried to build a seatpostclamp.. Don't really know, if this is able to clamp the post tight enough.. but we will see.
(https://fstatic1.mtb-news.de/f3/20/2038/2038077-cjw6c4l4u6mp-20160725_162348-large.jpg)
Has someone from this forum tried something like this before?
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Wow man...nice work! 8)
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I played it easy and ordered parts from Smud-Carbon ::)
Probably better quality and more reliable then your parts but definitely a lot less fun and much more expensive!
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For me it's more about the building process..
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Does anyone have an idea how the f*** I can get the screws out without damaging the parts? :o
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Does anyone have an idea how the f*** I can get the screws out without damaging the parts? :o
I'm afraid the only option is to do some new ones, knowing now that anything in contact with the epoxy will stick :)
Maybe using some wax coating, release agent or plastic wrap around the mobile parts.
And to have a nice finish, you need to put pressure against the mold, either with some air balloon or thermic shrink tape.
Another option could to draw and 3D print a mold of the pieces( some rubber plastic is possible) and then the carbon+epoxy.
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Hi Jar_Head,
here are my 2 cents for the design and process:
The stress is only distributed in couple of the strands (highlighted), whole lot of them are not load-bearing. This is because the bolts and carbon piece are at an angle. This makes the design weaker. I don't also feel good about those open holes (marked circle). In that area the strands rub against the edge of the bolt which is imho not good.
(http://i.stack.imgur.com/dRhr9.png)
Look at this clamp how it is designed, I like this design much much more:
(https://static.bike24.com/i/p/1/2/60521_10_c.jpg)
Also I suggest to run some software simulations or tests, or to make many many test iterations. Put too little carbon and the part will fail. Put too much carbon and resin and it will end up heavier than a piece from thin spring-steel.
It is also very good to press the part (vacuum or other means) to squish the excess resin out the part. The less resin inside the better and stronger part. Also if you cure the resin with some heat applied to it, it will cure into better resin.
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Your bike looks great and respect for building parts by yourself.
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First of all, thanks for your advice! I will consider this in the next parts I build. You were right Jerryno, the seatpost clamp failed in the first test with 4 Newtonmeters on the screw due to lateral force on the strands.
The next design will be like the clamp you showed.
(https://fstatic0.mtb-news.de/f3/20/2038/2038716-uojpdzyllsca-20160726_164241-large.jpg)
But the weight was okay ^^ the bolt is steel and the round thing too. With a titanium bolt it should be around 7 grams.
I tested the brake lever clamp (only the rear brake, for the case it fails) today and it worked out so far.. the next ride I will test it in rough conditions to see if it works.
(https://fstatic1.mtb-news.de/f3/20/2038/2038717-mnnymzqas23x-20160727_143437-large.jpg)
And just as a marginal note: I know that what I am doing here is not highly scientific. Just want to know how carbon fiber handles and is built since my studies (aeronautical engineering) deal with all that stuff. We unfortunatly don't really get the chance to test those things.. everything's very theoretical.
By the way, tomorrow I will receive a new seatpost (New Ultimate) with just 125 grams 8) :o I'm very curious about it!
The paint (of course) will come off, so maybe another 5 to 10 grams will fall..
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Does anyone have an idea how the f*** I can get the screws out without damaging the parts? :o
Heating the screws without heating the carbon parts directly. How to do that is another question. Soldering iron??
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I got them out before the resin was hard..
The new seatpost is here. Scratching off the paint only gave me -2 grams :o not much paint on that one ^^
But anyway its almost half of the one I had before. Tested on trails today ;D
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Wanna have a 7.xx kg bike 8) still far away..
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Wanna have a 7.xx kg bike 8) still far away..
Get a Lauf fork?
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Too expensive for me.. maybe I'll get a Race Face Next SL Cranks. Another 100 grams saved. A lighter rear thru axle from Shift Up, another 30 grams.
And then lighter wheelset and fork. That's the plan.. but it will take so time for me to get the money together (student).
But I will begin as a military pilot in October, so this won't be a problem for a long time ;-)
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Well, you could get there (<8kg), but why? What would your bike accomplish being 500g lighter that it can't do in the exact same way now?
It's good to get a lighter bike but you have to draw a line and determine the benefit. In real life, a lighter bike is not faster then a 500g heavier one, at all.
I'd recommend focusing on optimizing bike fit (so that you are efficient), sturdiness (so that you can push hard on it). A 500g heavier bike that you can confidently push hard and where you gain 5% efficiency (down or up) WILL be a lot faster.
Then, if weight is still a primary concern, the cheapest way might not be bike parts. It can be light bike shoes, light helmet, jersey (can save 100g total on clothes), bottle, multitool, pump, spare tube, etc... All that is fairly cheap and can gain a lot of weight.
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What would your bike accomplish being 500g lighter
Well... it depends where they are removed from.
Having 500g less on the front wheel makes a big difference when placing the wheel fast on difficult terrain.
On the rear wheel too, to accelerate. On other static parts ok, eating a bit less is cheaper :)
I will compare soon my Lauf and Lefty, on my second bike( CS-041 ), when I will finally get my Eagle gear( my brother got it for his 036, will post pictures later ).
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I will have to disagree with you on that Carbonazza :P. Again, weight is not the primary factor, function is!
You take wheels as example. That's the perfect example. My 27.5+ wheels are 400g heavier then my 29" (total wheel with the tire, sealant). 200g more for each wheel. Well, I'm faster with the 27.5+ setup.
I could take the seatpost as well. I'm faster with my Reverb despite this seatpost being about 300g heavier then my carbon post.
Same with the brakes, I'd be slower with light brakes as I need all the power of my SRAM Guide.
That being said, for a given function I always shoot for the lighter component (if budget permits!). But function comes first. That's why I question "why targeting lighter?". The real target should be "faster" which sometimes comes with heavier components.
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The "eating less" option is not an option for me, since I weigh only 63 kg. My bodyfat is at a minimum, less would be no good.
My gear is the lightest I can get. S-works shoes, Specialized helmet. Bibs, jersey, gloves, socks.. everthing at a minimum.
I really wonder how you can be faster with a 400 g heavier wheelset, doesn't make sense at all. But it's also a totally difficult thing to compare 27,5+ with a 29er.
As well as it would make no sense to compare hardtail with a full suspension.
For me it's about how light can I go with full function. I don't want to have parts, that fall apart while riding (my bike is built for racing). And I totally agree with you, function comes first. But my bike works for me as it is. It has everything I need, nothing is missing (even 2 bottle cages, which I need of course on long distance marathons).
And why shouldn't I use a Race Face Next SL, a XX1 cassette, when I can save ~150 grams on rotating parts? And the XX1 cassette has more advantages: wider range 10-42 <=> 11-40). With that wider range I can run a larger chainring (36t) and get faster by that ;) So here we have your target SportingGoods :D
Lighter = faster, as long as the function is given. And that applies for the whole system (the bike, the rider and the gear). And I try to optimize every part of the system (and the bike fit has already taken place).
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I really wonder how you can be faster with a 400 g heavier wheelset, doesn't make sense at all. But it's also a totally difficult thing to compare 27,5+ with a 29er.
As well as it would make no sense to compare hardtail with a full suspension.
Maybe because these wheels have more grip in the corners, so he can take the corners faster ?
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I really wonder how you can be faster with a 400 g heavier wheelset, doesn't make sense at all. But it's also a totally difficult thing to compare 27,5+ with a 29er.
As well as it would make no sense to compare hardtail with a full suspension.
Maybe because these wheels have more grip in the corners, so he can take the corners faster ?
Or maybe SportingGoods spends more time going downhill than climbing or pedalling hard on the flat :)
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So than this will be a question of what one rides?!
For me time savings can be made in the uphill (which is where I mostly take over other riders ;)) and that's why I want to save weight in the system. In the downhill on a marathon or XC course this doesn't really matter.
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True, I don't have many flat sections. It's either up or down. With my heavier wheels :) I'm faster both up and down, thanks to better grip and comfort.
What I mean is that the last few 100 g are the most expensive and when you are already down to 8.5kg you don't really need anything lighter. I agree that it would be a real upgrade to go with an XX1 cassette and Next SL cranks but dropping weight for the sake of dropping weight should not be the end-goal.
I recall a GCN video where they timed a climb with a 3kg backpack. The difference with no backpack was minor. You need to remember that 0.8kg saved on a 8kg bike is not 10% saved. It's 0.8 out of (your weight 63 + bike 8 + shoes, water, helmet... 2 minimum)=73 kg minimum. That's 1% for 800g saved.
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I'll add my 2 cents. After racing in a 25k a couple weeks ago on my WW-062 SS, the bike definitely seems to gain weight as the ride goes on. I do think you can reach a point to where you won't gain much for the money spent but the lighter the bike the better. But it still needs to be able to properly serve it's purpose. I had an acquaintance on his Scott 27.5 plus bike (geared and squishy on both ends) pass me within the first couple of miles. I passed him on a long sustained climb about 20k in to the race and that was the last that I saw of him. I've also been on rides when I didn't slip as much as other riders on their fat bikes. So I guess what I am getting at is that it's a package deal which includes the bike (build kit, weight, tire selection, suspension) and the person (riding ability, packs, shoes, helmets, body weight).
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But don't forget, the weight on the rims are rotating and rotating mass is more than the normal mass.
I don't know how to say it in English, but with a wheel set which is 800g heavier you are slower. I could test it and that's the reason why I only have wheel sets <1500g ;)
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But don't forget, the weight on the rims are rotating and rotating mass is more than the normal mass.
I don't know how to say it in English, but with a wheel set which is 800g heavier you are slower. I could test it and that's the reason why I only have wheel sets <1500g ;)
Definitely! Getting a 2200g wheelset up to speed is a lot more work than a 1500g set. The other part to that is the part that centrifugal force plays on the spinning wheel. A front wheel / tire setup that weighs 400g more than another is going to be harder to get it to change direction. Think of spinning a toy top, the heavier it is, the longer it spins and the more stable it is. One of the main reasons why a light wheelset makes a bike "feel" lighter is because it is easier to move at high speeds.
But back to the cost vs weight vs purpose discussion, the 1725 gram 35mm wide wheelset on my wife's Tallboy feel's pretty light. It's not superlight but it isn't super heavy either and I feel we found a good balance between usage, weight, durability, and cost. We could have gotten it below 1600 grams just by using different hubs and not having Peter paint the rims but that would have cost us an extra $150 or more and put us over the $999 wheelset budget.
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Well.. I think it's much about the ratio price/gram. Everything up to 1,50 € per saved gram is okay for me..
The Shift Up axle for the rear end is about 1,70 € per gram saved.
Other things like the Race Face Cranks come at 3,33 € per gram saved. That's pretty much, I think. But if you consider that you can sell the old part (SRAM X0 BB30 Cranks at 150 €), you may come to ~1,50 € per gram for the cranks. So this will be okay again ;) Almost the same for the cassette..
This is a new design for the seatpostclamp. Inspired by a friend of mine. Also I used more material, since you can easily grind of what is too much. The weight is with a steel screw. Titanium ones will come on the weekend. So finally it should be ~5 - 6g.
It tested this one with 4 Newtonmeters on the screw and it holds.
The next ones I build will get a titanium nut as well. This one is aluminum, just as the washer.
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I think you are the next Smud-Carbon :D
Keep improving your quality and if you manage to have a good communication you can get into business :;
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Thanks! ;)
That Titanium screw dropped the weight to 5.38 g and I tested it with 5.5 Newtonmeters today. Still holds. Have to see if it keeps the seatpost in place, so it won't twist or slip down.
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And I received the Shift Up axle ;D
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Another try..
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I will grind off some material. It's about 3-4 mm thick on the sides. 2 mm would be enough, I think.
And I have to make a cut underneath the screw, otherwise it won't clamp ;D
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That's it for now.. Grinded off some material ==> 6.96 g
On the curved parts around the washer and the nut it could be a bit nicer.. but for now it is okay. When I have time I will do that too.. but it takes a lot of time to grind it off..
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Tested today:
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Got a new saddle (109 g) with a light padding. The other carbon saddle was a little bit too hard.
(https://fstatic2.mtb-news.de/f3/20/2057/2057866-jwzc83sdg7tt-20160908_141506-large.jpg)
I also switched to Rocket Ron (a heavy one.. ::) 495 g) on the rear, cause the tread of the Thunder Burt was almost gone.. The main reason by the way is, that on the rear wheel a spoke nipple broke at the exit of the rim. This happened on a climb when I pushed the pedal very hard.. Too hard for the DT Swiss aluminum ;)
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Weight did not change.. 8435 g
Hope I can ride again soon.. On a 180 km road ride last week I fell on my left side on the tarmac @30 km/h :(
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I moved to a gel padded one too(a tinny one).
It makes a difference on instant comfort.
However I like the floating feeling of the bare carbon too.
The friction happens more between the short and the saddle(no friction in fact, just sliding).
While on the padded one there is more friction between the short and the skin :o ( the difference is on long rides )
I hope you'll recover quickly. Damned tarmac!
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I see a few ways for you of dropping weight, but they are quite expensive:
- Sid Fork or new Step Cast Fox (the latter from 1360g , probably some tuning would get it even lower)
- Race Face Next SL Crank (or try to hunt for TUNE/ Clavicula for even bigger weight savings)
- Switch cassette to Sram (needs xD driver) - 70g lighter
- lighter wheels: Tune as a budget option, 240s more expensive, Extralite end of the line -> could get xD driver then
- set of R1R brakes would probably be at least 50g lighter than MT4
- you can definitely get lighter seatpost (around 160g or lower) and bars (even sub 100). End of the line is Schmolke, but it costs a kidney.
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8360 g
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Awesome!!
Where did that direct mount ring come from?
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That Ring is from Garbaruk (Ukraine). They have a lot of different colors and sizes for all kind of cranks. I love the design and the chain holds on it like glue.
Other changes I made: X01 Cassette, gives me a wider range with 10-42 teeth (In addition to the 36t chainring) and a new chain from KMC.
And finally I found a saddle that fits.. Pro Falcon Carbon with 146 grams.
Next things to be done: New wheelset, most likely Acros A-wheel with 1250 g and the Fox Stepcast fork ;)
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I was lucky and got a 1310 gram wheelset, which cost me half the price of the Acros A-Wheel Wheelset I wanted to buy.
Unfortunatly the spoke nipples are red and not black as the vendor said. So it does not really match the rest of the bike.
After the first ride today at 3 °C, I can say the color isn't that bad and I can live with it ;)
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Soon there will be the 7.xx in front :D
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Very nice! It makes mine at roughly 9.5kg seem like a boat anchor. So what's the plane in the background? It appears as the wings are folded.
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That's a Kitfox Vixen Series 5 Speedster with a Rotax 912 engine. Obviously it's a kit plane, built 20 years ago by my father and is still flying (my father and the plane ;) )
The wings can be folded and by that the plane goes into our garage, which was basically built around the plane.. With a tow-bar the plane gets pulled to the airport a few kilometers away :)
And Yes: The seats are made from original Lufthansa leather :P
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Wow a kit plane :o... building bikes seem all of a sudden like an easy Ikea assembly :)
The plane looks so good, and still seems in pristine condition.
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I was lucky and got a 1310 gram wheelset, which cost me half the price of the Acros A-Wheel Wheelset I wanted to buy.
Unfortunatly the spoke nipples are red and not black as the vendor said. So it does not really match the rest of the bike.
After the first ride today at 3 °C, I can say the color isn't that bad and I can live with it ;)
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Soon there will be the 7.xx in front :D
What wheelset did you order?. Is that weight with pedals. Ok impressive.
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The plane does look great! Most completed kit planes I have seen don't look nearly that nice! This is what I get to look at every day. The second picture is what $20,000 USD looks like in helicopter parts. Now back to your regularly scheduled program...
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What wheelset did you order?. Is that weight with pedals. Ok impressive.
The Wheelset is custom made from Haico Wheels.
Rim: Ryde Trace XC 21
Hub: Acros Nineteen XC 28 h
Spokes: Sapim CX Ray
Nipples: DT Swiss ProLock
Yes, the weight is with pedals, bottle cages, Garmin mount.
Thanks!! :D
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Some update:
Got a new fork. It's a Rock Shox SID Brain World Cup 90 mm. Originally the lowers were for quick release. I made an hybrid-fork out of my 15 mm thru axle Reba (also 90 mm travel) and the SID. Works great so far. A few grams will drop on the fork since I will get the Rebound and Compression dials made of carbon :D
As expander for the Ahead-Cap I use the tune GumGum. Low wheight and still full function.
Almost forgot that I changed the pedals too. Now I use the Crankbrothers Eggbeater 11. I used them some time ago and was pretty content with them. So here they are again ;)
New wheigt as seen on the picture: 7,905 kg
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Nice weight and build Jar_Head 8)
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Thank you! ;)
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Nice ! You beat me for about 100g :)
How are the Magura brakes?
Are they more an ON/OFF type like Shimano, or they provide a wide modulation like Hope's, or in between ?
And where did you find the little tool-bag you have under the seat?
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Check out TOPEAK Carbonazza, for under saddle bags..........
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The brakes are more in between. But they work for me as they are.
I have two toolbags. One is by Vaude and the other is a tube bag by Schwalbe.
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As promised, I got the rebound and compression dials out of carbon. Built by Christoph Hopp.
About half of the weight saved :D and looks much cleaner I think.
Next things to be done: Get the XTR brakes, I-spec XTR shifter for a cleaner cockpit. Let's see what I can do on that parts to save some grams... ;)
(https://fstatic1.mtb-news.de/f3/21/2131/2131845-ht5h0lriw3eu-20170217_175215-large.jpg)
(https://fstatic3.mtb-news.de/f3/21/2131/2131843-z8bpyk9nldxr-20170217_174106-large.jpg)
(https://fstatic2.mtb-news.de/f3/21/2131/2131842-nf69b1zia5iu-20170217_173710-large.jpg)
Spring is back, finally a bit warmer again! :)
(https://fstatic3.mtb-news.de/f3/21/2131/2131847-0ggl563mz5z3-20170402_150303-large.jpg)
(https://fstatic0.mtb-news.de/f3/21/2131/2131848-p9iuxqas5kk1-20170402_152515-large.jpg)
And that's the new road bike @7,8 kg.. going to change some parts here, too. The hardtail is almost as light as the roadbike ;D
(https://fstatic2.mtb-news.de/f3/21/2131/2131846-rhs5z0y772ic-20170323_170651-large.jpg)
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One week ago I competed in this season's first race and finished 33/281 overall and 8/24 in my age group on 55 km/1390 meters of climbing in 2:19 hours. Not that bad for almost no training this year so far..
The bike performed great, I chose a 34 teeth chainring instead of the 36 teeth because of the alpine terrain. And I tested new tires from Michelin, the Wild Race'r Ultimate in 29 x 2.0 both @ 470 grams. The tire is similar to the Continental Race King, but provides much more grip even if it is so narrow.
The next race will be on the 17th of june. 60 km and 1650 meters of climbing, with lots of trails, so I will miss a full suspension bike there :'( ;)
(https://fthumb1.mtb-news.de/cache/1170_auto_1_1_0/19/aHR0cHM6Ly9mc3RhdGljMi5tdGItbmV3cy5kZS92My8yMS8yMTU3LzIxNTcyOTQtOWdlYmJ5d3o3dHRoLWtsZWluLW9yaWdpbmFsLmpwZw.jpg)
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Nice picture. You look so real !!
Thanks for the information about Michelin's tires, they look interesting.
I recognize the bottles!
You don't have the SRAM Eagle drivetrain right?
You could add at least two teeth more on your ring, and go faster on the flats/descents.
What advice would you give to someone( an old 49y chap I know too well :) ) who would like to start racing?
I don't even now where to go or start...
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Thanks ;)
No, I don't have the Eagle.. I thought about buying it, but the 11 speed XTR rear derailleur is much lighter than the XX1 or the Eagle rear derailleur and the performance of shifting is more precise as I experienced.
The 10 - 42 teeth X01 cassette works for me as well. In downhills I am often too scared to go faster on loose or slippy gravel, so it doesn't really matter anyway. In climbs it is also easier to make up time, so I focus more on good climbing performance.
Maybe for a future full suspension bike, I will go for the Eagle :) Still not found the perfect frame/brand.
Depends on where you live, I would say.. For Germany and the neighbour countries there is this great website: http://www.jedermanntermine.de/
For the first races it might be good to start in the back rows, because in the front there is always so much rush due to adrenaline and testosterone ;) And of course there are races without clocking, so you kind of have the feeling of a race, but the riders a bit more calm.
Prepare the bike, spares and your gear the evening before the race. Have a good breakfast.. don't try new energy gels or bars during the race... Drink enough, but not too much, depending on the temperature. There is nothing more stupid than having to stop, because you have drunk too much and have to pee ;D
Know your comfort zone, in that you can ride long and don't overpace in the beginning.
Everything depens a little bit on the distance you want to ride..
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Talking about beginners mistakes.. last race went not that well.
The week before the race I was not able to ride at least once. So I felt pretty uncomfortable in the downhills, especially in fast descends. During the race I got more confident and I kept the pace of the group. Soon they fell behind in the climbs and I was alone for about half an hour until I got the next small group of riders. The race was 84 km and 2120 meters of climb in two rounds.
After the first round in 1 hour and 51 minutes I recognised my mistake. I overpaced with an average heart rate of about 170 bpm.
The result of that catched my after about 60 km.. I felt quite bad and had this flickering vision due to a lack of carbohydrates. So I was forced to stop and rest for 1 or 2 minutes taking a gel. Since it was a fairly chilly morning I had to pee anyway, so it wasn't that bad ;)
The last 20 km were better then, but the second round was 10 minutes slower than the first one.
Result: 33 of 72 riders overall, and 15. in my group of age. Riding time: 4:01 h, average speed 20.90 km/h
(https://fthumb.mtb-news.de/cache/1170_auto_1_1_0/c2/aHR0cHM6Ly9mc3RhdGljMS5tdGItbmV3cy5kZS92My8yMS8yMTY4LzIxNjg2OTYtOTlsanp1enFrNzRnLTIwMTdiaWtlbWFyYXRob24yMy1vcmlnaW5hbC5qcGc.jpg)
Speed:
(https://fstatic1.mtb-news.de/v3/21/2168/2168698-4zs2ck0pycg1-screenshot_2017_07_06_10_41_58-original.png)
And the heartrate:
(https://fstatic1.mtb-news.de/v3/21/2168/2168697-zmg0zvxy6tsa-screenshot_2017_07_06_10_41_47-original.png)
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I felt quite bad and had this flickering vision due to a lack of carbohydrates.
Although it is probably too late when it happens.
It is good to know this is a signal. Thanks.
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https://highfive.co.uk/high5-faster-and-further/mtb-nutrition-guides/cross-country-2-to-5-hour-event/ 8)
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https://highfive.co.uk/high5-faster-and-further/mtb-nutrition-guides/cross-country-2-to-5-hour-event/ 8)
Thanks but I'm an organic/fresh fanatic :o No way I would eat or drink powder/tabs/gel I don't know where they come from ;D
But when I plan to ride hard and long, I found a very good site that teaches you how to make your own gel and purée.
It is quick to do, keep well in the fridge and cheap.
Unfortunately it is only in French ???... Google translate made significant progress recently, so I post it anyway.
I make this purée, the sweet one: http://www.diet-sport-coach.com/pages/content/produits-energetiques/compote-energie-maison-version-sucree-et-salee.html#L8uBQtspGfQH28Cy.99
And this gel: http://www.diet-sport-coach.com/pages/content/produits-energetiques/gel-energetique-booster.html#u7eu5MYuZfcrWG54.99
I pour them in silicone bottles like these: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-3pcs-Lot-Food-Grade-Silicone-Leak-Proof-Design-Travel-Tube-Squeeze-Refillable-Bottle-Empty/32373315663.html
That I put in my back pockets.
And they are easy to clean and reusable.
Alternating 1 purée / 1 gel each half hour.
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Hi
How did the tyres set up tubeless and have you ridden wet tree roots or just dry hard pack.... How are they for sidewall protection. Im interested as 190g's a tyre lighter than my race king protections.
Thanks
Rick
One week ago I competed in this season's first race and finished 33/281 overall and 8/24 in my age group on 55 km/1390 meters of climbing in 2:19 hours. Not that bad for almost no training this year so far..
The bike performed great, I chose a 34 teeth chainring instead of the 36 teeth because of the alpine terrain. And I tested new tires from Michelin, the Wild Race'r Ultimate in 29 x 2.0 both @ 470 grams. The tire is similar to the Continental Race King, but provides much more grip even if it is so narrow.
The next race will be on the 17th of june. 60 km and 1650 meters of climbing, with lots of trails, so I will miss a full suspension bike there :'( ;)
(https://fthumb1.mtb-news.de/cache/1170_auto_1_1_0/19/aHR0cHM6Ly9mc3RhdGljMi5tdGItbmV3cy5kZS92My8yMS8yMTU3LzIxNTcyOTQtOWdlYmJ5d3o3dHRoLWtsZWluLW9yaWdpbmFsLmpwZw.jpg)
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Gret article carbonazza, I've been using SIS and high5 gels/electrolytes for years with no stomach problems and just like the buy a box and use them convenience..... :)
https://highfive.co.uk/high5-faster-and-further/mtb-nutrition-guides/cross-country-2-to-5-hour-event/ 8)
Thanks but I'm an organic/fresh fanatic :o No way I would eat or drink powder/tabs/gel I don't know where they come from ;D
But when I plan to ride hard and long, I found a very good site that teaches you how to make your own gel and purée.
It is quick to do, keep well in the fridge and cheap.
Unfortunately it is only in French ???... Google translate made significant progress recently, so I post it anyway.
I make this purée, the sweet one: http://www.diet-sport-coach.com/pages/content/produits-energetiques/compote-energie-maison-version-sucree-et-salee.html#L8uBQtspGfQH28Cy.99
And this gel: http://www.diet-sport-coach.com/pages/content/produits-energetiques/gel-energetique-booster.html#u7eu5MYuZfcrWG54.99
I pour them in silicone bottles like these: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-3pcs-Lot-Food-Grade-Silicone-Leak-Proof-Design-Travel-Tube-Squeeze-Refillable-Bottle-Empty/32373315663.html
That I put in my back pockets.
And they are easy to clean and reusable.
Alternating 1 purée / 1 gel each half hour.
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On my side, I've been using this as a replacement for Gatorade or any other drinks from the market this year with great results so far.
3 1/2 cup of water
1/4 cup of orange juice
1/4 cup of maple sirup
3 table spoon of lemon juice
1/4 tea spoon of salt
https://highfive.co.uk/high5-faster-and-further/mtb-nutrition-guides/cross-country-2-to-5-hour-event/ 8)
Thanks but I'm an organic/fresh fanatic :o No way I would eat or drink powder/tabs/gel I don't know where they come from ;D
But when I plan to ride hard and long, I found a very good site that teaches you how to make your own gel and purée.
It is quick to do, keep well in the fridge and cheap.
Unfortunately it is only in French ???... Google translate made significant progress recently, so I post it anyway.
I make this purée, the sweet one: http://www.diet-sport-coach.com/pages/content/produits-energetiques/compote-energie-maison-version-sucree-et-salee.html#L8uBQtspGfQH28Cy.99
And this gel: http://www.diet-sport-coach.com/pages/content/produits-energetiques/gel-energetique-booster.html#u7eu5MYuZfcrWG54.99
I pour them in silicone bottles like these: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-3pcs-Lot-Food-Grade-Silicone-Leak-Proof-Design-Travel-Tube-Squeeze-Refillable-Bottle-Empty/32373315663.html
That I put in my back pockets.
And they are easy to clean and reusable.
Alternating 1 purée / 1 gel each half hour.
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Hi
How did the tyres set up tubeless and have you ridden wet tree roots or just dry hard pack.... How are they for sidewall protection. Im interested as 190g's a tyre lighter than my race king protections.
Thanks
Rick
One week ago I competed in this season's first race and finished 33/281 overall and 8/24 in my age group on 55 km/1390 meters of climbing in 2:19 hours. Not that bad for almost no training this year so far..
The bike performed great, I chose a 34 teeth chainring instead of the 36 teeth because of the alpine terrain. And I tested new tires from Michelin, the Wild Race'r Ultimate in 29 x 2.0 both @ 470 grams. The tire is similar to the Continental Race King, but provides much more grip even if it is so narrow.
The next race will be on the 17th of june. 60 km and 1650 meters of climbing, with lots of trails, so I will miss a full suspension bike there :'( ;)
(https://fthumb1.mtb-news.de/cache/1170_auto_1_1_0/19/aHR0cHM6Ly9mc3RhdGljMi5tdGItbmV3cy5kZS92My8yMS8yMTU3LzIxNTcyOTQtOWdlYmJ5d3o3dHRoLWtsZWluLW9yaWdpbmFsLmpwZw.jpg)
To be honest with you, the tire sucks.. The second race I rode them, I had one flat on the front tire and the rear tire was soft at the finish line. Protection = none. Nice experiment, but not good for racing. Also on wet roots, you might have too less grip. Tubeless setup was very easy, like I know it only from Schwalbe tires.
I switched back to the Rocket Rons 2.1 LiteSkin. Best compromise of good grip, easy setup, low rolling resistance and just enoug protection.
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Thanks Jar.......
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Can you share your programming?
I want to make my own carbon fiber holder
Well.. I think it's much about the ratio price/gram. Everything up to 1,50 € per saved gram is okay for me..
The Shift Up axle for the rear end is about 1,70 € per gram saved.
Other things like the Race Face Cranks come at 3,33 € per gram saved. That's pretty much, I think. But if you consider that you can sell the old part (SRAM X0 BB30 Cranks at 150 €), you may come to ~1,50 € per gram for the cranks. So this will be okay again ;) Almost the same for the cassette..
This is a new design for the seatpostclamp. Inspired by a friend of mine. Also I used more material, since you can easily grind of what is too much. The weight is with a steel screw. Titanium ones will come on the weekend. So finally it should be ~5 - 6g.
It tested this one with 4 Newtonmeters on the screw and it holds.
The next ones I build will get a titanium nut as well. This one is aluminum, just as the washer.
(https://fstatic1.mtb-news.de/f3/20/2042/2042345-99dwu9ka5dh1-20160804_190106-large.jpg)
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Can you share your programming?
I want to make my own carbon fiber holder
Do you mean how I built it? What do you want to know?
I used carbon fiber rovings, a tube with the same diameter as the seattube and epoxide resin. I soaked the fiber in the resin, and wrapped it around the tube and the bolt with the nut. After the resin was hardened, I grinded off excess resin. That's pretty much it.
A lot is trial and error. I did at least 4 seatclamps until I was satisfied with weight and function.
Order you some titanium bolts (https://www.jaeger-schrauben.de/Titan/Schrauben/Titan-TCK-natur::46.html)
and nuts (https://www.jaeger-schrauben.de/Titan/Muttern/Titan-MMSss-natur::1020.html) for example.
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Can you share more pictures of your bike?
Flat or Gross?
Here we go ;)
(https://fstatic1.mtb-news.de/f3/20/2036/2036189-3fo2d7almopb-specs-large.png)
And this is the bike:
(https://fstatic3.mtb-news.de/f3/20/2033/2033399-312evb4zl2l1-20160713_121825-large.jpg)
Built for long distance marathon and CC races.
For the weight and to see if I can build (small) carbon parts by myself. ;)
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Can you share more pictures of your bike?
Flat or Gross?
What do you mean by flat or gross? What I ride? Basically Cross-Country and Marathon.. If that answers your question: https://videos.mtb-news.de/49219/193302_20170616_140954?playhttp://
Sure, here are some Pics:
This is from summer before I changed the Race Face Cranks back to Sram XO1, because the non-driveside-crank arm was loose on the axle. It was not fixable anymore, so I changed it for a more reliable one.
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Some pictures how the bike looks right now with about 7905 g:
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I will work a little bit on my roadbike this winter, too. So far I have only a couple of parts together. I'm still looking for a Sram Red Exogram Crankset and a handlebar. Most likely it will be a FSA K-Force handlebar. Maybe I will also strip the paint off the frame, but that's a whole lot of work. I found a fairly cheap frame, which has exactly the same geometry as the current frame, but weighs about 160 g less. Without paint it will sum up to maybe 200 g less. Lets see, what I can do about it ;)
That parts will save about 340 g in comparison to what I have currently:
(https://foto-thumbnails.mtb-news.de/cache/1170_auto_1_1_0/78/aHR0cHM6Ly9mc3RhdGljMS5tdGItbmV3cy5kZS92My8yMi8yMjE1LzIyMTU0OTAteHNscG4yanN5dG9rLTIwMTcxMTE2XzE3MDYzNS1vcmlnaW5hbC5qcGc.jpg)
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As I said... It will be the FSA K-Force handlebar in 42 cm width. I already took off the paint from the first half.. with about 185 g the new handlebar will safe about 90 g in comparison to the aluminum handlebar that is mounted..
I have no scale at work unfortunatly.. but you can see in the last picture, that the painted half wheigs a lot more than the half without paint :D
(https://foto-thumbnails.mtb-news.de/cache/1170_auto_1_1_2/9b/aHR0cHM6Ly9mc3RhdGljMS5tdGItbmV3cy5kZS92My8yMi8yMjE4LzIyMTg4MDQtemR2b2hobzI2dHBsLTIwMTcxMTI4XzIyNDMxNS1vcmlnaW5hbC5qcGc_Mg.jpg)
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I already took off the paint from the first half.
Jar_head, do you plan to strip the section that's gripped by stem faceplate? I was thinking about stripping my dropbar in order to achieve a stealthier look and this section stands out the most (it's white, duh).
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No, I will leave the gripped middle section as it is. If you take it off, the diameter would be way less than 31,8 mm. The stem won't fit anymore.
What you can do anyways, is strip it and repaint that section with some transparent paint to the right diameter again.. could be a couple of layers of paint, but you will get rid of that white ;D
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It's done for now.. 6,965 kg..
(https://foto-thumbnails.mtb-news.de/cache/1170_auto_1_1_0/75/aHR0cHM6Ly9mc3RhdGljMS5tdGItbmV3cy5kZS92My8yMi8yMjE5LzIyMTk2NzYtbXlxOWl2d29xZWltLTIwMTcxMjAzXzEyMDk1MS1vcmlnaW5hbC5qcGc.jpg)
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Long time no update ;)
Unfortunatly I didn't really have time to ride in the past months. But I had the chance to shoot a new road bike frame (70 % off 8)) which is fairly light. Of course the color will come off the frame and the fork even though I meanwhile like it ;D I hope the set will be under 1000 g. That depens on how much paint will be on both, but it looks like a lot of paint.
Due to the PF30 BB I had to buy a new crankset too. Since I found no used SRAM Red compact cranks, I bought a new SRAM RED eTap 22 50/34 t crankset. That saved abaout 110 grams compared to the SRAM Red 22 GXP Cranks.
If there is the chance to change the rear hub body to an XD body, I can finally mount the SRAM Red cassette.. but that's another story.
The changes will give me a ~ 6000 grams roadbike......
Well, that's the new frame and how it will look like:
(https://foto-thumbnails.mtb-news.de/cache/1170_auto_1_1_0/9b/aHR0cHM6Ly9mc3RhdGljMS5tdGItbmV3cy5kZS92My8yMi8yMjQ2LzIyNDY4MjMtbDJvcTBtNGc4c3NmLTIwMTgwMzA3XzEzMDgyMy1vcmlnaW5hbC5qcGc.jpg)
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Looks promising :D 8)
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The frame so far is 75 grams lighter. And the fork is clean and cut to length plus a couple of millimeter to play around with the position on the bike. This is how it currently looks like:
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How did you manage to get the paint off ?
Almost done ! ???
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Looks like a sharp blade to scrape it from the remaining paint. Good job Jar 8)
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Done! About 20 hours of work on fork and frame..
Paint on the frame: ~ 90 grams. I scratched it off with a blade and wet sanded the curved parts.
At some spots I have to do some more sanding.. but most of the work is done. Now I can start building up the bike :)
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Here we go.. I still have to wait for the front derailleur-clamp.. And I will change the bottom bracket soon. SRAM's PF30 is just crap and driving me nuts although I wasn't even riding the bike. I'll give Wheels Manufacturing Threaded Pressfit 30 BB a try.
Edit: That picture was a bit dark...
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Done. 6,2 kg.
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Congrats ! Have a great ride :D
Did you have left the frame as is, or applied some clear coat on it ?
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Thanks! :)
I will ride at Lake Garda in Italy next week and test the beauty ;)
Yes, I left the frame as it is. No clear coat or anything. Maybe I will wax it later on because (maybe) the resin could turn yellowish due to solar radiation.
A friend of mine rides a naked frame for a couple of years now and has no problems but that depends a bit on the resin they have used.
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Great work!
Maybe I missed it somewhere along the way but do you live near Lake Garda? My wife and I spent some time in Malcesine in 2016 and we loved it. We rented some bikes and did the loop with the gondola ride up Baldo then ride down to Torbole and take the road back. It was about 10 miles longer than she wanted to ride for but the scenery was amazing. She keeps telling me that she is retiring there whether I go with her or not. :o
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Thanks!
Unfortunatly not :(
I currently live near Munich in Germany. It's an 4 hours drive to the Lake through the alps. My plan is to ride once around the lake 8)
Lets see, if I can do it :D
Yes, it's just beautiful there!
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I'm a bit jealous! Even your drive is going to be beautiful.
We have been to many places in the US and Europe, and Malcesine is at the top of our list. The Lauterbrunnen Valley in Switzerland is right up there too.
Overlooking Torbole on the way down from Baldo
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Just past the Albergo Graziani Hotel / restaurant
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Back in Malcesine
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What can I say.... the bike is just great! :D
I had no time to do any testride at home, so I had to be confident that everything works. And it does except a creaking seatpost, but I have taken all my tools and stuff with me, so it was fixed quickly. I also had to do some minor adjustments to my position on the bike, now it's fine.
For some climbs a 11-28 cassette here in the mountains would have been better.. but 11-25 was okay.
I put some mileage on the frame: 380 km and 3500 meters of climb in 4 days.. Tomorrow I will climb a pass (about 15 km and 1000 meters of climb) on my way home and that's it for the short vacation..
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I just logged in to say "wow", I love when somebody assemble the bike and then ride it like it should be ridden (in mountains), anything new on your M062 build?
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Thank you! I'm happy to hear, that you like what I do ;)
So far no news..
I had a creaking noise. It stopped for whatever reason. Seems like it was neither the broken seattube nor the bottom bracket.
For the 062 I want the same saddle as on the roadbike. The ride can't be long enough and I don't have any issues. The Romin Evo S-Works just fits my butt ;D
But I have to see, if I can get the saddle far enough to the front.. the rails are very short and they bend relativly early to the back of the saddle. If you take a look at Kulhavys or Sam Gaze' bikes and saddles, you know why they look how the look.
That was a problem with the Phenom S-Works, too. I just couldn't get it to the front.. I'm gonna change seatposts and/or saddle with the roadbike to look how it works out..
The next year or a bit more I won't be able to ride much except some relaxation rides, but no serious training or competition/races.. (un)fortunatly. In November we will expect addition to the family ;)
The 2 beauties:
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In November we will expect addition to the family ;)
Congratulations!
Although I have to admit that the first time I read that, I thought you meant a new bike. Hehehe.
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In November we will expect addition to the family ;)
Congratulations!
Although I have to admit that the first time I read that, I thought you meant a new bike. Hehehe.
Thank you!
New saddle (custom made Selle Italia SLR Kit Carbonio) and I managed to ride a few times :) It's time for some new tires.. Think I will go for the (old) S-works Fast Traks. I already rode them and I liked it, easy to set up tubeless and the tire doesn't sweat like the Schwalbe's.
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Have you looked at Maxxis Aspens? I'm running 2.1 EXO TR's, good tyre volume and super fast rolling and had no issues with grip with the minimal tread. Set up tubeless very easy.
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Have you looked at Maxxis Aspens? I'm running 2.1 EXO TR's, good tyre volume and super fast rolling and had no issues with grip with the minimal tread. Set up tubeless very easy.
No, I didn't... What's the weight? :)
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I've been running the 2.25 Aspen EXO/TR on my 062 SS this year and I'm super happy with them. Weight was at the claimed weight of 645g. Definitely fast rolling and more traction than you would expect. They are mounted up to Crest MK3 rims an inner width of 23mm if that matters.
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2.1 weighed 610g, my hookless carbon rims are also 23mm internal width. As bxcc said its an awesome tyre, my 2.0 ThunderBurt addix lite skins spun up faster and weighted 460g but the Aspens are faster rolling, higher volume and just out perform them. My change to Ikons for the winter...
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You didn't liked the rocket ron?
Fast track it's only 60tpi, correct?
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What size is your Workswell frame and how tall are you? How does the frame handle? Is it a raceworthy rig? How does it handle? This was on my list until I saw the Trident Thrust frame. I have yet to build it up. Thanks. Oh, by the way were you a Marine?
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You didn't liked the rocket ron?
Fast track it's only 60tpi, correct?
No I don't like the Rons anymore.. I went now with the Fast Traks S-Works, but the old ones.
What size is your Workswell frame and how tall are you? How does the frame handle? Is it a raceworthy rig? How does it handle? This was on my list until I saw the Trident Thrust frame. I have yet to build it up. Thanks. Oh, by the way were you a Marine?
My frame is 17 " or Medium. I'm 172 cm. For me the frame handles well. Could go a bit faster around corners.. but good enough for me.
No, I wasn't a Marine.. Why?
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No I don't like the Rons anymore.. I went now with the Fast Traks S-Works, but the old ones.
I'm on Ron's the whole year, mostly by habit than being a fan... what is better with the Fast Tracks ?
And why the old ones ?
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No I don't like the Rons anymore.. I went now with the Fast Traks S-Works, but the old ones.
I'm on Ron's the whole year, mostly by habit than being a fan... what is better with the Fast Tracks ?
And why the old ones ?
The Fast Traks do not "sweat" like the Rons. I think the old Fast Traks are lighter than the newer ones.
Update on my bikes: I was lucky to get a Specialized Epic FSR S-Works 2012 in good condition.
Except the graphics I really like the frame, that's why I decided to get rid of the paint. That saved ~140 grams. The rear shock was damaged and is currently at service.
The bike will be around 9000 grams with a chiner wheelset using my old hubs (25 mm inner width, 1250 grams) build in Germany. I also changed the brakes for Shimano XTR 9000. The linkage will be anodized in stainless steel look or black. The blue decals were applied as a test and will be replaced by a lighter blue that matches my saddle.
The workswell frame is for sale, so if anyone is interested in a great frame, please let me know.
Some pictures:
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...I decided to get rid of the paint. That saved ~140 grams
So it is not a legend that paint is quite heavy compared to the frame weight.
Do you take into account a varnish that you may have added after ?
How did you remove the paint ? Did it take a long time ?
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...I decided to get rid of the paint. That saved ~140 grams
So it is not a legend that paint is quite heavy compared to the frame weight.
Do you take into account a varnish that you may have added after ?
How did you remove the paint ? Did it take a long time ?
140 grams total including a layer of matte clear coat. Without that, 155 grams would have been saved. The frame weighs 1670 grams including all bolts, washers, bearings and the derailleur hanger. The brain shock adds about 400 grams.
This time, I removed it not by myself. But the guy used a blade to scratch it off. Maybe 10 to 15 hours of work.