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Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D) So, my build is done.





May 07, 2024, 10:33:51 AM
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Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
Looks very nice  :D

Did you have the chance to ride it. If yes, how does it feel so far? Any problems?

Looking forward to get my frame and wheels.

Thank you.

The complete process of ordering with specifying paint, parts, and building has been a no issue (and pleasant) adventure so far.
Some really minor things are;
Tracking of the frame, a notice of a booked parcel and then nothing for 20days, and the last 1-2 days were packed with updates. Not a product quality issue.
Next minor notice, and im being quite picky now, is that the rear axle threads in place somewhat with resistance.
Hunch is that derallieur hanger and axle thread tolerances are not the same as the carbon parts.
To be honest, those are just small farts in a storm as comparison.

Did a initial 60min ride and pushed it a bit.
Im about 82-84kgs, Pmax of 1300w roughly on a super light frame, size 56 and my reaction is undisputed happiness.
Frame feels stiff and as per geometry of frame, right on target.
 
For a safety check of handlebar + stem check, I hanged my whole body wheight on the drops and jumped/rocked up and down. Solid as can be.

To summorize so far, _really_ satisfied.






May 08, 2024, 01:45:27 PM
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Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D) Took me a bit longer to make this post.  Overall experience has been really good.  The fit of everything was spot on. Full build came in at 15.2 lbs without pedals (size 52).  For being that light, I am also surprised at how stiff it feels in accelerations.  My order was handled well and had great communication. I really like the color but it is more purple than I expected, but it looks great.  You can see in the sunlight it has the orangish chameleon, but the purple is the dominant color. Paint selection was LCB-02HS. Current setup is gp5000 28mm, but have a second wheelset with 32mm gp5000. One bummer is the width of handlebar options.  I went with the 40 x 110 handlebar and I have been running narrower bars and would have selected narrower, if available.

I will quickly address some of the items on this thread:
My frame has a drain hole under the BB
I will say that the layup feels pretty thin below the bottle cage on the downtube.  It is a larger tube size, but the wall thickness feels thin.
Brake caliper mounts are faced
Rear thru axle does require more torque than other frames (but doesn't appear to be any thread damage, so I don't know, not really an issue to me, but a previous poster described this).

I had to cut the seat tube to get my fit right, but just 1/2" or so.
I also ran into an issue with the seatpost clamp.  After riding I needed to adjust, and upon retorque the clamp to 6nm something with the pins that hold the bolt broke.  I have contacted LC and will update with how quickly they respond.  I am pretty sure their clamp is a tried and true design across other frames, so I am not quite sure. I want to tear it apart to see whats going on but it is kind of a captive part.

May 13, 2024, 09:24:21 AM
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Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
Took me a bit longer to make this post.  Overall experience has been really good.  The fit of everything was spot on. Full build came in at 15.2 lbs without pedals (size 52).  For being that light, I am also surprised at how stiff it feels in accelerations.  My order was handled well and had great communication. I really like the color but it is more purple than I expected, but it looks great.  You can see in the sunlight it has the orangish chameleon, but the purple is the dominant color. Paint selection was LCB-02HS. Current setup is gp5000 28mm, but have a second wheelset with 32mm gp5000. One bummer is the width of handlebar options.  I went with the 40 x 110 handlebar and I have been running narrower bars and would have selected narrower, if available.

I will quickly address some of the items on this thread:
My frame has a drain hole under the BB
I will say that the layup feels pretty thin below the bottle cage on the downtube.  It is a larger tube size, but the wall thickness feels thin.
Brake caliper mounts are faced
Rear thru axle does require more torque than other frames (but doesn't appear to be any thread damage, so I don't know, not really an issue to me, but a previous poster described this).

I had to cut the seat tube to get my fit right, but just 1/2" or so.
I also ran into an issue with the seatpost clamp.  After riding I needed to adjust, and upon retorque the clamp to 6nm something with the pins that hold the bolt broke.  I have contacted LC and will update with how quickly they respond.  I am pretty sure their clamp is a tried and true design across other frames, so I am not quite sure. I want to tear it apart to see whats going on but it is kind of a captive part.


Build indeed looks quite neat.


I think I've made peace with not buying that frame. The down tube is simply too much of a square box in the wind. It can't possibly be fast, and I'm routinely doing 40+kmh on the flat so it matters to my riding. It's been helpful to see people's builds here to confirm that. The real Cannondale is nowhere near as boxy.
I also don't think it is a timeless design. That's subjective, but I feel the rim brake supersix (and first generations discs) is timeless. Along with various other frames. But not that one.
The thin downtube also raises questions a la Canyon. If you throw two bikes in the boot of the car, the last thing I want is a cracked frame in transit.
I thought I'd post because I long and seriously considered buying one.

I don't think this bike has the best design, with that I agree.
Sth simple would be better like their 007 just updated for full integrated frame etc.
I don't think we can "assess" the reliability from the frame/downtube from the "looks thin" perspective. Let's see how it holds. There are quite a few users here already with this. In any case you can also choose the non-superlight version which should be stiffer and have thicker carbon. Which option did you end up going for?

I went for this mainly for this frame for two reasons:
- Quality seems to be there (you don't really hear bad things about LC) and when it happens they seem to provide good support
- The speed and quality of their answers is top notch and only found similar at Carbonda, which had a great product too but way more expensive.

I've contacted other factories, like tantan, ltk and brokers like velobuild, etc, and tested them as well with my philosophy and only these two passed my tests with distinction. I'm not defending them.

May 13, 2024, 10:48:00 AM
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Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D) You will drive at more than 40km/h with this frame without any problem and maintain this speed. Concerning the wall, I confirm the thinness under the pressure of the hand. It reminds me of my Hyper wheels (Winspace), very thin too.
May 13, 2024, 11:23:26 AM
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Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
we know for a fact that rider & clothing matter more than the bike itself, it's about 80% rider and 20% bike, afaik.
That being said, a bus shaped tube is a bus shaped tube. Even without a wind tunnel, we know that tear drop / kamm tail shaped things are more aero than round things, or boxes... And we know that buses aren't aero. You wont find an aero frame with a wide, boxy shape like that, nor will you find a frame that touts its aero prowess with a boxy shape like that - until proven otherwise, ofc. Given it's an ultra light frame, and making frames of that weight at this price point is a new phenomenon, and that LC doesn't make any aero claims, i think it's safe to assume it's not aero. Whether it matters or not is subjective. But even if it "only" costs 5W at 45kmh, i try to spend my money diligently, and given how incredibly hard it is for me to raise my ftp by 5W, if i'm going to buy a frame, and if i can, i'm going to avoid buying one that screams "i'm a bus". It's a guesstimate. It's also an aesthetics consideration, as i dont find that boxy shape appealing.

As long as we all know what we are getting/building/taking, get support and are all happy that's all it matters ;)

Opinions will always be opinions :) Being it Hambini and all other (pseudo) specialists.

People spend more time online reading all the details and micro-details than actually riding the bike and enjoying the fresh air :).

May 15, 2024, 08:43:14 AM
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Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
You do you! i considered buying one myself for many weeks, and i'm not saying it's a bad frame, in fact i think it's a great frame! i was just detailing my thought process as i figured it could be useful to some.
Enjoy your new bike and post here about your experience and impressions!

For me that's actually what is more valuable in these forums. Analysing the different reasoning and mental model different people use to select frames/bikes/products. Question them and take my conclusions and decisions.
Thanks for sharing your inputs

May 15, 2024, 08:47:22 AM
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Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
I'd love to see Hambini reaming it  ;D

Hambini did a review of a Lightcarbon gravel frame, up on YT. I'm to stupid to get a URL working in this forum, so you have to find it yourself.
Well worth a look get a feel for LightCarbons QC/QA and engineering principles.

May 19, 2024, 05:32:52 AM
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Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
I know this post is a little bit older.
Can you tell me if 20 days was the complete delivery time from China or only after arriving in Europe?

typically 20 days is total transit time, once it's in europe you have it within 1 week, for experience. it is true that tracking data sometimes goes dark for no apparent reason between china and europe. presumably because of VAT shenanigans with DDP schemes. Once it resurfaces, you get it pretty fast.

May 20, 2024, 08:12:38 AM
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Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D) OK! I see what you mean now. The seat post is quite thin and the derailleur hanger is "short" so you have nothing to push the screw against.

Hmm interesting. Though it's not mandatory AFAIK, it brings additional strength and adjustment. I am also planing on using an 105 mechanical groupset on it.

Is the hanger fix by rivets or screws?

In any case let us know what she replied :)

And nice specialized like colours :)

May 22, 2024, 03:41:24 PM
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