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Re: Elves Falath EVO 2023
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June 04, 2023, 11:39:45 PM 		1
Re: LTWOO ER9 & ERX - Electronic groepsets
Quote from: DutchCheapskate on June 06, 2023, 02:43:45 AM
Yea, it's so cheap that it's worth a try. The review of ChinaCycling does look good to me. Interestingly, on his reviews on the china bike show he mentioned that it is good to wait for the second version of a groupset. In general, the manufacturers tend to rule out the problems of the first version.

I'm also wondering, how are these groupsets patent wise? Are components illegal copies of other groupsets?

https://chinapatentstrategy.com/china-top-50-case-of-2019-how-a-functional-feature-is-construed-greatly-impacts-protection-scope-shimano-kk-v-sensah/

Shimano already sued Sensah awhile back. If there are any patent issues, I'm sure Shimano or SRAM would be taking legal action by now. I have no doubt they're watching LTwoo and Sensah with a microscope. The Chinese cycling industry is getting too big to ignore.
June 06, 2023, 04:20:49 PM 		1
Re: LTWOO ER9 & ERX - Electronic groepsets
Quote from: patliean1 on June 05, 2023, 01:41:04 PM
Groupsets and wheels are the two things you really should not skimp on. Basically any moving or electronic components.

Framesets, handlebars/stem, saddles, and any other static parts can be had for cheap without really posing any risks to safety or reliability.

For me, it's the lack of availability to me that proposes the biggest risk.

If a Shimano/SRAM/Campagnolo component on my bicycle fails, I can generally get a replacement same or next day, and in any event, it's unlikely to take longer than a week. For LTwoo/Sensah mechanical parts, the fact that they can be swapped out for SRAM/Shimano equivalents where required makes it a less scary proposition - a rear derailleur failure just means replacing it with a part from another brand.

With LTwoo electronic it's a very different story though - a failure is going to leave you waiting weeks for a replacement from China with no local alternative.
June 06, 2023, 07:19:32 PM 		1
Re: LTWOO ER9 & ERX - Electronic groepsets
Quote from: jonathanf2 on June 06, 2023, 04:20:49 PM
https://chinapatentstrategy.com/china-top-50-case-of-2019-how-a-functional-feature-is-construed-greatly-impacts-protection-scope-shimano-kk-v-sensah/

Shimano already sued Sensah awhile back. If there are any patent issues, I'm sure Shimano or SRAM would be taking legal action by now. I have no doubt they're watching LTwoo and Sensah with a microscope. The Chinese cycling industry is getting too big to ignore.

Good to know. It is interesting that ChinaCycling started the PandaPodium website. It is a big move for the cycling industry, but he might end up being sued for reselling these products. I might try the electronic groupset one day. Buy it, before it's removed from the market lololol.
June 07, 2023, 02:18:50 AM 		1
Re: Elves Falath EVO 2023
Very nice build. Congratulations!

Thanks for the awesome photos :)

I like how the handlebars kinda tilts upwards. Looks like it adds about 10mm more stack.

They quoted 25mm setback on the seatpost. However, on GC perfomance's video, the black Falat Evo build (see attached image), it looks like the seatpost clamp can be adjusted to minimize the setback. Can you help to verify this? Meaning the setpost setback could be reduced to maybe 15mm?
June 18, 2023, 09:54:57 PM 		1
Re: Elves Falath EVO 2023
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June 19, 2023, 08:48:33 AM 		1
Re: Elves Falath EVO 2023
Wow, thank you so much for painfully taking the saddle apart to check and for sharing the pics and video. Really appreciate it! :D
The little movement forward was just want I needed to confirm that the back side will fit nicely for me.
Thanks again!
June 20, 2023, 12:22:25 AM 		1
Re: Elves Falath EVO 2023
Quote from: ExclusiviteChinoise on June 22, 2023, 05:01:23 AM
https://imgur.com/a/rJj9r9s
Bike feels really good, it's easier to stay tucked in than my rim brake Madone, the flat aero bars also help since you can put some weight with your wrists. It accelerates way better than my TT bike but almost holds a 50kmh pull as well, the perfect bike for flat roads.
I'll test it in uphills this weekend


DAAAAAAAANG! My man looking AERO!
June 22, 2023, 01:51:04 PM 		1
Re: Elves Falath EVO 2023
Quote from: ExclusiviteChinoise on June 22, 2023, 05:01:23 AM
https://imgur.com/a/rJj9r9s
Bike feels really good, it's easier to stay tucked in than my rim brake Madone, the flat aero bars also help since you can put some weight with your wrists. It accelerates way better than my TT bike but almost holds a 50kmh pull as well, the perfect bike for flat roads.
I'll test it in uphills this weekend

All smiles here :D
Niceeee!!!!!!
June 23, 2023, 01:36:59 AM 		1
Re: Elves Falath EVO 2023
Quote from: ExclusiviteChinoise on June 22, 2023, 05:01:23 AM
https://imgur.com/a/rJj9r9s
Bike feels really good, it's easier to stay tucked in than my rim brake Madone, the flat aero bars also help since you can put some weight with your wrists. It accelerates way better than my TT bike but almost holds a 50kmh pull as well, the perfect bike for flat roads.
I'll test it in uphills this weekend

Thanks for sharing your build including riding footage! It's very much appreciated and helps a lot! I'm 196 cm (6"5) and exploring the (chinese) market for a new roadbike frame. Unfortunately there are not many options out there for us tall riders. I like the Elves frame but I'm still not sure if the low stack number is too aggressive for me. I'm lookin for an all out racebike since I own a gravelbike with relaxed geometry already but I know for sure that I couldn't hold your extreme riding position comfortably for more than a few minutes.

May I ask whats your inseam? And what stem length are you running?
June 24, 2023, 06:50:22 PM 		1