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Re: Elves Falath EVO 2023
Rectangular tube profiles and the fattest headtube in the game. It’s so clearly a LARP of an aero bike. I agree. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But to me this looks like Homer Simpson’s idea of an aero bike. November 16, 2023, 02:49:25 PM |
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Re: Elves Falath EVO 2023
Despite Hambini’s gripes about “other” YouTubers, Cam Nichols’s review had similar conclusions. His “carbon expert” guy had similar remarks about the Evo’s carbon quality—its shit. I love how when the elves distributor was approached regarding cam nicholls' experience, he went and blamed it on the mechanic. Saying he didn't know how to assemble bikes correctly. Pretty bad look in my opinion. November 17, 2023, 06:39:59 AM |
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Re: Elves Falath EVO 2023
At 1300 bucks, out of spec BB and janky headtube layup seems ridiculous to pass off as something you should accept as par for the course for a 'non name brand' in that GC performance vid. Par for the course of a 500 dollar frame? Yea. Par for the course for a non name brand that is well into getting close to name brand price? No. The paint IS crap because they use vinyl stickers. A lot of these companies are doing that and it is SUPER lame. They need to stop with that if they want to establish a 'Brand lite' where it is in the middle of 'no name' frames but not a 'name brand.' November 17, 2023, 07:09:56 PM |
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Re: Elves Falath EVO 2023
What I’m really surprised is that nobody (including Hambini) is reaming the Evo for its horrendous aerodynamic properties. Rectangular tube profiles and the fattest headtube in the game. I reckon it's just because there are so many shit aspects of the frame, it'd take an eternity to list it all. Maybe his ssd can't store it all haha. It’s so clearly a LARP of an aero bike. This is by far the best comment ever on this forum. I'm gonna need to add it as my signature hahahaha. I'll remove it if you want, though. November 18, 2023, 04:11:52 AM |
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Re: Elves Falath EVO 2023
I don't see what makes the Evo non aero or a aero larp because it's cheap. Rectangular cross-sections. Cam nichols test is hardly a scientific test. All it will show is that it's not a parachute. Easily a 20 watt margin of error with his test. November 20, 2023, 07:09:52 AM |
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Re: Elves Falath EVO 2023
Sometimes when I spend too much time on cycling forums/videos I have to remind myself to go outside to remember how the real world operates... Yishun/Light Carbon - Best value under $1000. I would take a $700-$800 Yishun over an $1100 Elves everyday of the week. The downside is Yishun doesn't exactly offer paint options, and their frames lean more towards all-around than aero. The performance however cannot be overstated. Elves Falath Evo - Honestly if the aesthetics of a full aero frame at this price is that important (rather than QC and unproven performance) then a TanTan x38 is the way to go. You get custom paint, a unique looking frame for the pricepoint, and the money saved can go toward a legit set of wheels from something Leon Hu/Yuanan Wheels. Winspace T1500 - But if you still really wanna spend $1100+ for a fully finished product and customer support, it's worth it to save/spend extra for the T1500. Or wait for the Agile release next year. It's a proven frameset. True, you could argue that buying a used aero frame from a big brand is a better buy. Something like a 2020 BMC Time/Road Machine but it's still gonna cost like around 2000. And in practice who is truly doing this with regularity? Middlemen/Agents/Curators offer great value (maybe not here) and buffer to potential customers who are afraid to make their first Far-East purchase. As much as we in this forum love to pride ourselves on skipping the middle to buy frames/wheels to save money by going directly to OEM suppliers, the real world is a little different. I've received hundreds of messages over the years (forum/IG/FB/email) from from people basically wanting me to hold their hand during their customer experience. We just aren't as savvy at times as we believe. I've been making videos for 3 years now. American cycling scene is huge now especially in Chicago. And yet Winspace is really the only brand that's been able to break through and become a common name around here. November 20, 2023, 10:43:12 AM |
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Re: Elves Falath EVO 2023
Ok, but as far as being not being an “aero LARP” or answering what is the Chinese bike closest to $1100 designed with aero in mind the Blize is still a relevant answer in the context of development and process. I wouldn't get too caught up in it, I can't answer for the guy who wrote it, but the LARP comment, I'm sure, was just trying to make a point while being funny. Well, I found it hilarious, at least. November 20, 2023, 11:05:45 AM |
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Re: Elves Falath EVO 2023
Maybe I was wrong, I actually found a photo of Elves aerodynamics research and development department.
November 21, 2023, 06:11:10 PM |
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Re: Elves Falath EVO 2023
Elilee looks as aerodynamic as cow on ice. It looks like V4RS, Trek Emonda and other lightweight race bikes, but aero it's not. You're billion times better off with Winspace T1500, even if it costs bit more Other takeaway from this thread: y’all are udderestimating cows. November 21, 2023, 07:15:23 PM |
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Re: Elves Falath EVO 2023
I joined this forum relatively recently to get an insight into users' experiences of different frames. I had an itch to buy a new alternative justified by 3 disc brake bikes, and 4 of my family riding Flanders next spring - yes it's tenuous! Originally looked at the Yishun 1088 but just couldn't get excited despite the good feedback, by the design, and if I wanted custom colours and a one piece cockpit, costs with delivery into the UK were similar to the Elves Falath. So that's what I've gone for. I like different. My main bike is a 3T Strada, which in its 1 X form seems to polarise opinion. In the long and distant past when I raced I had an Ian White low profile frame in lugless oval/teardrop 753 which attracted attention and an Omega lugless track frame with small front wheel (for bunch/sprint races). So the unique (ish) of the Elves appealed. Slammed and 1 x with mechanical I reckon I can get it to around 6.5kg (my Strada is 6.1). Only downside for me was the gap at the rear end.... For someone used to fag paper time trial bikes it just doesn't look right. However wheelbase in my 46 size will be shortish and I'm prepared to accept that the tyre /seat tube gap may not make it a brick. I'll report back. My Strada is I think pretty aero and is very comfortable (actually moreso than either my Genesis Datum or Vitus gravel, so looks can be deceptive). I won't be testing in a wind tunnel but having a very good idea on my capabilities on a 6 mile lap over many years and with a long straight downhill, I'll get a clear idea on whether this is a brick as suggested or super uncomfortable. If it doesn't beat the Strada on one, I'll sell it on but I am prepared to accept users' feedback might give it a chance compared to some on here ...the Simplon Pride 2 still has the best aero score with some of its tubes looking more rectangular than teardrop.... November 22, 2023, 01:11:29 PM |
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