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Re: Velobuild VB-R-218 Just finished my build waiting on more spacers to cut work on fit. sram forces groupset with power meter crank. only thing not forces is the cassette. 8.5kg
August 24, 2022, 03:12:54 PM 		1
Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame Finish the build today, cannot ride it yet tho, Wax has to dry as well as the retaining compound of the BB.
Not so sure why it's so heavy, it's 8095g for everything, including pedals.

I had my fair share of issues:
  • Headset is absolute trash, you can still see the bearings underneath what they call a "seal". Give this 1 ride in the rain and you will grind this down. I will replace those.
  • The SL7 Compression Ring is not compatible for me. My fork had a seam on one side that made everything super stiff, i took the sandpaper out to remove the seam, but the ring was still too tight.
  • The Small Chainring on the crank was rubbing against the frame. I had to get a shim to put it on the crankshaft of the drive side to give it some space. Scuffed the paint a bit..
  • the SL7 Di2 Battery Grommet works. Specially at the bottom. I bought 2, so i would make sure the battery won't dangle with the top in the seat tube. Had to cut one down with a scissor so it would fit.
  • Don't know if i can fix it yet, but the saddle isn't centered to the frame and points slightly to the right.. my OCD is triggered. But i haven't messed with the saddle clamp much, maybe there is a way
  • The brake mount surfaces are not machined and need facing. One more trip to the bike shop.
  • There was a small void in the carbon layer of my tube that i was able to see after i cut it down.
  • The SL7 seatpost cover works great

will see how it performs after i can do a few rides on it
August 24, 2022, 05:18:07 PM 		1
Re: Velobuild VB-R-218 How can you even use the word sluggish, without comparing it to a frame 5x the price???

What does sluggish mean?

If you want to compare this bike, please compare it to a similarly priced bike. You cannot pay 2000USD ,  and expect it to ride like a 15 000USD bike.

Nobody buys a Toyota corolla ( no offense) and expects it to drive like a Lamborghini.
September 26, 2022, 10:39:06 AM 		1
Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame ordered last week, arrived today with rims from a seller on here at the same time
56 frame
separate stem/bar if i need to switch things up
building up with a combination of sensah empire pro 11sp, campy cranks from my other bike, some sram and shimano bits and pieces ( I have no brand loyalty lol)
September 26, 2022, 03:52:26 PM 		1
Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame It's done

Velobuild VB-R-168
SRAM Force AXS Disc 12v
Cassete 10-33
Crankset 46/33 - 165mm
Elitewheels Drive 50D
Pedals - Favero Assioma Duo
Tires Continental GP5000 Cream 25c
Tubolitos
Bartape Lizardskins 1.8mm
Garmin Edge 830
Garmin Varia RTL515

Weight: 7.6kg
(With pedals, garmin mount and bottle cages)
September 29, 2022, 03:27:35 PM 		1
Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame Completed my build the other day. Haven't taken it out on a real ride but a quick shakedown ride and the bike feels great so far. Didn't have any issues with the install although trying to run 4 cables through the integrated cockpit was a massive pain. Parts list:

Frame: VB-R-168 Size 52
Groupset: Mechanical 105
Brakes: Juin Tech F1
Wheels: Roval Terra CL
Tires: GP5000 32c
October 12, 2022, 10:56:13 AM 		1
Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame
Quote from: Serge_K on October 27, 2022, 02:50:07 AM
That's great, pictures v promising!
Will be curious to hear about how you feel about ride quality, road feel, vs branded frames you've tried. Diabetic cycling and GC performance have both recently posted videos saying that the VB Pinarello clone rides "heavy" and wouldn't want them as main bikes, despite being light, stiff where you want it stiff, compliant where you want it compliant, tracking well, aero and so on.

Unless someone is blind testing unpainted frames with identical components and fit (that would be a cool YouTube series!), I wouldn't put too much stock in those subjective impressions.  Its hard not to expect the 10x more expensive frame to feel better.  I have 8300 miles on the Tarmac SL6 sport (round seatpost) frame that is getting stripped for this build and the fit should match within a few mm, so I expect I will notice any significant differences.  I might even A/B test with the same wheelset on an Aeroad just for fun to see which feels better. 
October 27, 2022, 11:02:59 AM 		1
Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame Finished build (parts bin / new mix): https://imgur.com/a/DBR12Pr

Size 52 frame matte black
Stock 120mm stem
Stock headset cover
The One handlebar 36cm
Ultegra 8020 shifters
Jagwire cables and housing
105 hydraulic calipers
Dura ace crankset
Ultegra left side crank pm
Look carbon pedals
Token threaded BB
Rotor 53/39 chainrings with Rotor bolt covers
Dura ace fd
Ultegra rd
Pro Stealth saddle
DT Swiss Arc 1100 62mm wheels
GP5000 S TR tires 25mm
MT800 / Ultegra rotors 160/140
Zipp CX bar tape
Generic stem bolt Garmin mount from Amazon

First impressions after 3 rides (155 miles)

It is strange to review a frame like this.  Its a you-get-what-you-get direct-from-an-unknown-manufacturer frameset that costs so little relative to even entry level name brand frames that intuition dictates it should be, in the best case scenario, "acceptable", more likely some degree of "sketchy, problematic and/or vaguely frightening to ride"; unlikely that it would be "good". On the other hand, this is an SL7 in its tube shapes and geometry - the benchmark for a great all-round race bike - with a better bottom bracket (imo), more flexible headset out of the box, and 100-200 grams of extra weight (vs. standard and S-Works, respectively).  How should we assess the things we generally assume occur with name brand frames (like QC and strict conformance to the claimed carbon fiber layup) that might (?) be commercially infeasible at this price point?

I have ridden thousands of miles on a Tarmac SL6 sport frame (which was cannibalized for this build) and a Canyon Aeroad CFR.  Building up and riding this frame leads me to consider what the frame itself really contributes to the entire bicycle.  Geometry and the resulting fit is the most important contribution.  Second is aerodynamics of the frame and tube shapes.  Third is frame material / layup (i.e., desired level of stiffness or compliance in the right areas for the intended uses of the bicycle).  Last is weight. Ride feel, feedback, and comfort are dictated mostly by the contact points, with only a marginal contribution from the frame.  Tire width, pressure, and casing suppleness alone dwarf any differences in "compliance" between any reasonably stiff frames.

In the most important characteristics - geometry and aerodynamics - this bike effectively is an SL7. All the superlatives about handling and speed apply. If you are looking for an all-around race bike, this will fill that need.  The weight difference is quantifiable - materially heavier, though within the margin of difference made by a lighter seatpost, saddle and other finishing kit.  Frame layup and construction is harder to assess without cutting open the frame.  From a visual inspection, it looks clean.  From my initial ride impressions, the bottom bracket is stiffer than my SL6 - power transfer feels immediate, comparable to the Aeroad.  The fork does not flex when climbing or sprinting.  The stock stem combined with The One handlebar feels extremely stiff, but still has the vibration damping I would expect from a carbon bar and stem.  Against my expectations, the bike feels exceptionally good.  Whether that means that my specific frame has a good layup, or the carbon layup for this copy is comparable to the SL7, or it means that the layup, so long as its solidly made and not defective, doesn't have much noticeable impact, I don't know.   Maybe there is some hidden defect that will emerge in the form of a crack or failure after a few thousand miles, but I'm not sure what that would be. And I'm skeptical there is necessarily a higher chance of happening with this frame versus a name brand.  My Aeroad spent three months at a Canyon service center to fix two separate design flaws, one of which (the seatpost) wasn't really corrected.

I love this bike. This experience leaves me conflicted.  Does this mean that an S-Works Tarmac frame would be that much better? What this does leave me wanting is a Velobuild Premier version of this frame: pay double for an 800g version of the frame with an extra QC cert for peace of mind. I would feel better throwing DA di2 on that and doing a sub 7kg build. The benefits of the S-Works without the dentist meme branding or the anxiety of laying down a $5.5k frame in an office park crit.  Maybe I'm just describing winspace, yoeleo, et al.

I will reiterate - maybe I got lucky, and the median frame is missing parts, has holes drilled off center and is full of voids in the carbon.  Maybe carbon frame manufacturing has so matured that the default level of quality is high enough that the differences between frames are almost entirely geometry and branding, with the result that the carbon frame is the new carbon wheel. YMMV.

Build experience

Internal routing: more work with mechanical shifting but doable without any special tools. Just takes time and patience. Routing through The One handlebar was painless, I highly recommend it from that standpoint. I was concerned with the cable angles through the stem, but the shifting is smooth.  The clean look is satisfying and worth the extra effort. It seems popular around here to do mechanical disc brakes, but I wouldn't put brake cables through this stem.

Headset: it works. I read some reviews on this forum that suggested problems with headset play, but I have none at all. Maybe this has since been fixed. I purchased an FSA ACR headset assuming I would use that instead, but it left a large gap with the top of the headtube, and I ended up liking the look of the stock stem and the lower stack of the stock headset cover more anyway. 

Bottom bracket shell: nicely finished, no problems fitting the thread together bb. Stiff and smooth spinning, but will need a few thousand miles to assess for creaking, etc.

Disc brake mounts: did not appear to need facing, no more annoying to align rotors than any other frame (i.e., very annoying but works with some fiddling).
November 06, 2022, 08:50:16 PM 		1
Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame Looks like the painting is done. 8)
Waiting for delivery (Germany) now.

http://www.velobuild.com/products/r-168-metallic-blue-matte-paint


November 16, 2022, 07:38:45 AM 		1
Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame
Quote from: Equalizer on December 07, 2022, 08:28:37 AM
@eico seatpost clamp cover is original from Specialized SL7 Tarmac?

Yep! Sits perfectly!
December 07, 2022, 08:31:33 AM 		1