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Re: Lykos bikes Lykos is a brand investing 90% in BS marketing. They give their money to a lot of chinese Internet celebrity and then stamp their bike at least 3X overpriced.
May 10, 2024, 02:28:57 AM
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Re: Lykos bikes
How overpriced is overpriced, what are their prices?
As a westerner, it's interesting to see Chinese brands playing the branding game and commanding higher prices just because they can. The luxury market in Europe has turned bull$hit into an art form worth billions.

Around 22k CNY for the frameset and bar. You can buy a brand new propel adv sl frameset at the same price in China.

If I pay this money to a frame with aero/stiffnes/comfort/quality/etc. proved/tested by third party, it's OK. However, paying to the Internet celebrity, sorry no.

May 10, 2024, 08:19:44 AM
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Re: Tavelo Aero Frame I think branded / pays kickbacks to influencers is more accurate than premium. I'm yet to understand how a yeoleo is a better frame than a long teng / light carbon / Yishun, for eg. We know for a fact that Tavelo currently has the worst manufacturing tolerances of the industry with nobody getting a BB to spec. Seka is its own can of worms.
Charging a lot for something doesn't make it premium, at least in my eyes. Just makes it expensive / overpriced.
And there is a resale value, it's just that it's low, and probably a much better reflection of the intrinsic value of the frame in the 1st place.

September 10, 2024, 12:19:46 PM
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Re: No6 wheels
It’s crazy just how many wheel manufacturers are out of xiamen. I can’t really see a lot of differences between all the manufacturers. Most offer the same depths and carbon spokes. Elite for the price I think are great wheels

There are few manufacturers. Rest are just marketing companies that but rims from one of this big factory and out their branding.

September 16, 2024, 01:47:05 PM
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Re: Magene P505 PES Base Spider Powermeter
By the way the power data was always very fluctuating.

That's just how power meters or rather your body works: it near impossible to output the same wattage for any given period. Instantaneous power will always fluctuate quite a lot even if you are pedaling at a steady state and *think* you are applying even pressure. That's why we use 3s power for a quick glance or Lap AVG for the training target.

September 17, 2024, 05:33:22 AM
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Re: Magene P505 PES Base Spider Powermeter
I think that readings fluctuate little less on small chainring as far as I remember.
That's also normal. It has to do with (fly-)wheel speed. If the speed is higher (e.g. large chain ring), you have less time during the pedal stroke to apply the given power. It's more like every rotation you "top up" the wheel's speed with a short tap on the pedals. When the (fly-)wheel's speed is lower (e.g. small chain ring), you apply power more evenly throughout the pedal stroke. Therefore, it is easier to apply the same power with every pedal stroke as you already have a bit of power smoothing "built-in". BTW: That is also the reason why for some people 300W on a climb feels harder/easier than 300W on the flats. Has to do with your muscle fiber and which type is dominant in your composition.

Regarding whether the power of the Magene PM fluctuates more than other PMs: I compared it to my Assioma Duo. Over a 120min ride the AVG differed by 1% with the high and lows being very close as well. Basically the same; just as what GPlama found when he tested them about a year ago:
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September 17, 2024, 09:50:05 AM
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Re: TAVELO AVRO Gen-1 Integrated Handlebar VS Avian Falcon II Between those 2 you mentioned, I'd pick the farsports f1s.
October 12, 2024, 09:34:51 AM
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Re: Another Aethos clone coming soon UDH/T47
I believe Serge's point is you'd be better off with a "do it all" bike which is semi-aero/semi-lightweight like the SL8 than a non-aero, lightweight bike like the Aethos. The difference between both frames is only 150gr. That will not make you much faster uphill and you'll be slower when going on the flats/downhill.

Exact. Except 150g weight difference even up a 2h climb results in a rounding error. Your body weight will fluctuate more than that over such a climb.

But honestly, aero just comes into play for speeds of at least 40k/h (the pro's speed).
For us ordinary mortals riding at 30k an hour, it does not make the impact you are suggesting.
Therefore a much bigger impact will be a lighter bike for many cyclists.

1. wrong, literally by definition / mathematically.
2. wrong, i guess you dont do much riding.
3. wrong as proven even by GCN IRL, i think they did the same mountain pass with / without an extra bottle and couldn't see a difference. Or mathematically, you can input a gradient, 2 different weights, and see the watts difference required to get up. it system weight is 85kg vs 85.2kg, good luck finding a difference IRL.

You might be a troll given this is your first message, idk. If you really mean your message, truly, you're years behind the curve.

February 26, 2025, 09:12:23 AM
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Re: Another Aethos clone coming soon UDH/T47
[...] titanium manufacturer Laget is one to watch. They're producing beautiful 3D printed ti framesets with seamless joints and no welds. One road bike I saw came in at 7.4kg and that's titanium!

Laget or TSB is one of the coolest 3d printing companies in bike space IMO. I suspect that most of their work is B2B--and in that sense, they feel like the Silca of China. Their principal is relatively well published in terms of 3d printing metallurgy as well. Not sure how much bike experience they have, but they were at Sea Otter and looks like their staff did the sportive / event there too.

Exact. Except 150g weight difference even up a 2h climb results in a rounding error. Your body weight will fluctuate more than that over such a climb.

You are right; aero is the most important, but it's the aero of the system, not the bike, that matters.

I fall in the camp of folks who think that frame aerodynamics have had more importance attached to them than there should be because people have started to think of them as "free speed." But, if you wind that back and look at CDA numbers and testing protocols you start to see a lot of inconsistency that suggests that aero shaping of a frame has a lot less effect in real world racing than working out the right position or even using a dual layer skinsuit vs. a traditional skinsuit.

A frame like this one probably has a relatively low A in terms of CDA, but more importantly, that extra length, 75-degree seatpost, and low stack allow for the rider to achieve a really low A as well. The round post even opens up the option of using a forward offset post. For the riders that find an improvement from those fit attributes, the change is likely a few multiples more than what an aero frameset with a more traditional geometry would allow when in that fast attack position. A bike that's faster when attacking might be a better fit for riders than one that is optimized for riding efficiently in the flats, depending on the rider's goals. If you were working towards the fastest setup you could get, even within a generous budget, you might be better off getting a frame like this that is easy / cheap to tinker with and spending the money on high-end or even custom skinsuits.

Overall I love the idea of this frame. The geo is unique even compared to the higher-end Chinese and western brands. The only weird thing about this frame is the 43mm offset fork. With this geometry, I would have expected them to use a 47mm.

February 26, 2025, 12:47:32 PM
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Re: Interesting Aliexpress finds! - good deals, interesting stuff, new products etc! they're surely Yuanan. I messaged a few weeks ago, to get their latest price list, and the guy who responded had a COVET signature on his email. Then Yuanan went completely dark and don't sell to retail anymore, so they said on WhatsApp.
March 12, 2025, 09:03:12 PM
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