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I have 30mm Grand Prix 5000 S TR on 26mm internal hooked rims, they measure as 32.5mm wide and 27.2 high. There's enough side clearance in the fork (around 6.5-7mm), but tire height is the main limitation with only 4mm of free space. The situation is reversed with the frame. Even with the same tires and wheels, there's only about 4.5mm of side clearance and over 8mm of height clearance.

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they're not difficult to make, electronics are cheap af to make, cheaper than mechanical

But we see only two electronic groupsets on the market which are not from shimano/sram/campagnolo, one of them costs almost as much as Shimano 105 di2, and the second has a lot of problems and cannot yet be considered reliable.
On the other side we see a lot of cheap and relatively reliable mechanical groupsets with low price.
Maybe production cost is lower for electronic, but it seems that overall cost with RnD not so cheap.

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Here https://youtube.com/watch?v=-k5TzYEYwJg you can see that RD battery easily removable, i hope Wheeltop will sell batteries separately as other spare parts. Also video contains some instruction to prevent water ingress, you can turn on auto translation for subtitles, they are decent.

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Additionally, there is a report of PCB corrosion caused by condensation due to temperature changes (dew point).

Here's the picture of those PCB.

As an addition the picture of a shifter button and a report about shifter water ingress.

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Is that corrosion I see on one terminal of the battery to how it mates with the derailleur pins?

Yes.

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Some findings about derailleur.
Looks like the FD battery is removable, but there is sealant between the battery and the derailleur body (pic 1) and I found a report of water ingress through that gap between the battery and body (pic 2). And some device insides as a bonus.
Additionally, there is a report of PCB corrosion caused by condensation due to temperature changes (dew point).

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I have been reading so much on the forum that it is now so confusing to choose a "good frame"

I was originally going for LC017 but the down tube being as straight as a wall which is a no go, now I think that I will go with the Hygge model S but I can't find any picture with a clear view of the down tube shape.

Has anyone had experience with a bending head tube when you push on it (it is a common issue I've read about LC017)  with this frame ?

PS: If anyone wants to suggest me a frame I would be glad, I'm looking for a light climbing bike but not at the cost of aero like LC017 down tube.

Headtube on my bike is solid. Here some photo of downtube, hope it helps.

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Do you think the brake performance is being hindered by the internal cable routing?
I'm thinking about building up a road bike and using an old 6800 Ultegra group I have but I'm a bit nervous about how mechanical will perform with internal routing...the turn at the handlebar into the stem then into the fork must be brutal on the brake cables.

No, I don't think internal routing significantly affects braking performance. As long as the pads haven't touched the disc, there's minimal resistance in the system. I use Jagwire KEB-SL brake housings. While they're definitely a pain to route due to their stiffness, they perform well overall.
That being said, these hydraulic disc brakes with internal routing feel similar to rim brakes, but with much more bite. With my old rim brakes on carbon rims, it was difficult to stop effectively on steep downhills (-15% grade). I could feel the pads smearing on the rim, and applying more pressure on the lever wouldn't increase braking power beyond a certain point. This isn't an issue with the disc brakes.
I suspect the ZTTO caliper's lever arm isn't very stiff. I can see some movement in the arm when I squeeze the brake lever after the pads make full contact with the rotor.
Shifting also works flawlessly. In fact, I'd say the front derailleur performs even better than on my previous bike with the same groupset but semi-internal routing. This improvement is likely due to the full-length housing.

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3000 km update.
I have no issues with frame stiffness, a flexy handlebar with 30mm Grand Prix 5000 S TR feels very good, especially on a bumps. I've hit some potholes and poorly constructed storm drains (well below the asphalt level) at high speed without any damage to the rims, handlebar, or frame, only get pain in my palms and wrists.
The headset is also holding up well, with no play or marks on the steerer tube. The seatpost, tightened to 5 Nm, hasn't slipped at all.

As for the ZTTO hybrid brakes, well, they work. They're slightly better than my old rim brakes with SwissStop FlashPro Yellow King and Elite ENT wheels. However i can't recommend them. The force that needs to be applied to the brake lever to stop almost the same as on the rim brakes, and pistons doesn't work evenly. One piston barely moves, and there's some flex in the lever arm that pushes the hydraulic cylinder. In my opinion, mechanical calipers like Avid BB5 or BB7 would be a better choice.
The brakes also squeal at low speeds. I suspect this is due to the cheap pads (only $4 for two pairs). I've tried cleaning the rotors and pads, but the squealing persists. As a result, I've ordered Ashima ceramic pads, hoping they'll solve the problem.

I swapped the crankset to a Shimano 105 because the ZTTO BB for a 30mm spindle started clicking after 1,000 km. Since I already had a Shimano BB and cranks, I decided to save money by not buying a new BB for the 30mm spindle. To shave off some weight, I replaced the 105 chainrings and bolts with Ultegra ones. This brought the total crankset weight down from 750g to 698g. Interestingly, the 105 and Ultegra cranks without chainrings weigh the same.

Finally, I experienced some clicking noises from the rear axle. This happened when I switched the bike back and forth between a trainer and the rear wheel without properly cleaning the dropouts. Thankfully, a thorough cleaning solved the issue. I'm unsure if this is normal or not, as I never encountered it with quick-release skewers.

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I am interested in this groupset and was about a new aero frame. So complete bike at competitive price fits with my idea of both, as a bike and spare parts.
Do you have a contact?
Thanks a lot for your post and help!!

I saw this bike on aliexpress, but price was not so good, also saw this https://28goods.com/products/twitter-r12-pro-disc-brake-with-wheeltop-eds
And this twitter r15 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3256806382207768.html
I know, that people buy this bikes directly from factory, or maybe from alibaba, but don't know how.

This would be great if enthusiasts here in the USA had access to the bikes listed in the catalog sheet you posted.   Twitter USA does no have any offerings with EDS on them.   Perhaps this catalog sheet is for other English speaking countries and the USD is just for reference, or autofilled in the price boxes. (Just guessing)

On Aliexpress, there are complete Twitter EDS bikes starting around $1500 up to about $4K.   Appears to still be a decent deal, but the overall weight of these bikes are heavier, by pounds, versus what I ride.

I know that this prices are actual for Easter Europe, and people buy at this price. I think, that the prices in USD is only for convenience, I saw prices in CNY, and they are almost the same.

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Today i saw this Twitter bikes catalogue, interesting that full carbon bike with wheeltop eds tx costs 950 USD, I wonder how much a wheeltop costs for a factory.
Rival upgrade kit I can find for around 1000 USD, 1525 - 905 = 620 USD difference between rival and eds versions, so 1000 - 620 = 380 USD for eds? Maybe lower, because rival also has a wholesale price.

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Yes - you select the number of speeds in the app when setting up - it supports at least 10/11/12 (maybe more?).
Luke TraceVelo in last video mention that after software update - it supports from 7 to 13 speed.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Hygge Aero Carbon Frame
« on: April 07, 2024, 10:34:24 AM »
I had to apply a good amount of grip paste to get the expander plug to prevent slipping. I torqued plug to 6nm and it's fine.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Hygge Aero Carbon Frame
« on: April 03, 2024, 11:45:34 AM »
it's odd, typically the torque specs for seatposts of that nature are much higher. On my LT it says max 12nm on the clamp, and frame, seatpost & clamp systems look very very similar. The seatpost stopped slipping when i applied proper torque (i think at least 8 from memory?) I always use carbon grip paste & didnt have to be more creative than that.

I torqued my seatpost to 4nm and it's good, but I'm pretty lightweight.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Hygge Aero Carbon Frame
« on: March 22, 2024, 03:09:56 PM »
It looks like Hygge is just one more seller that is friendly and supportive when they want to sell you something, but the opposite when you need them to fix a problem.

Congratulation, you discovered a typical seller/brand that sells very cheap products.

They (and many others) sell a frameset, sometimes with a handlebar, for 450-550USD, it's 3-5 times cheaper than cheapest options from a big brands. And for me it's strange to expect, that they want to spend 50-100USD to replace handlebar with bad paintjob. With these cheap chinese frames you just play roulette, with high risk, high reward.

And about handlebar, I suggest you or forget about it, or start to write them on social networks, aliexpress chat, mail etc. This might lasts weeks. If you still can - open aliexpress dispute.

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