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This would be my selections if I was confident they are still fulfilling orders. I've always had great experiences with Wiggle and their Prime products.

https://www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/p/prime-primavera-56-carbon-disc-wheelset

https://www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/p/prime-primavera-aero-carbon-road-handlebar

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Yishun R086-D Aero Road
« on: October 19, 2023, 09:39:44 AM »
Seen this Canyon Aeroad CF SLX 8 for sale in my neighborhood. Looks familiar...

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Elitewheels Edge wheelset
« on: October 18, 2023, 01:41:55 PM »
Yishun sent me wheels with 23mm internals, 36t ratchet, enduro bearings, but they dont offer carbon spokes or anything 60mm deep unless 21 internal.

Magene's DB508 Ultra wheels (50 front/58 rear) with 23mm internals, carbon spokes, ceramic bearings, and ratchet hub. Probably my favorite wheels right now ($1200) but they don't have any plans to offer this setup in a 60mm+ rim.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Elitewheels Edge wheelset
« on: October 18, 2023, 08:09:08 AM »
Isn't that the Elte Drive 40D, 50D or 65D that you have tested, Patty?

Kind of haha. I'm looking for something like 60-65mm deep, but with 23mm internal and a 36t ratchet hub rather than their 4 pawl design.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Yishun R086-D Aero Road
« on: October 17, 2023, 09:10:05 PM »
The Propel is not “four times or x4” better than the Yishun. $3000usd versus $750usd. The marginal gains follow the law of diminishing returns. But considering Giant’s competitors, $3000 is a great value for a 2nd tier frame from a big brand.

What the Propel does better than the Yishun is fit finish, warranty, bike handling, and how frame (particularly the rear triangle) responds to bad pavement. Pairing the Yishun with deeper sectioned carbon spoke wheels makes for a harsh ride for most people. More harsh than my Allez Sprint, but not as harsh as my Dengfu or Tan Tan x38.

The Propel does not suffer from this regardless of wheel choice. It’s a very controlled and predictable ride regardless of pavement. Stiff out of the saddle yet comfortable as an entire system. I’m assuming sub $1500 frames obviously don’t have the engineering budget to wind tunnel test their frames or make considerations to carbon layup. Let alone the quality of carbon being used.

In a vacuum, these small differences aren’t major. But collectively as an entire package they make for a superior ride. You can immediately and tangibly feel your riding an engineered bike. Unlike like my Tan Tan x38 and VB 168 where it feels like the factory simply threw a bunch of carbon together with their eyes closed.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Yishun R086-D Aero Road
« on: October 17, 2023, 03:18:19 PM »
1000 mile / 1600 km Update

I've been riding my new Giant Propel Advanced Pro for the past two weeks. So switching back to the Yishun really helps put perspective on the frame and it characteristics.

Also I have been using the R086-D with a variety of wheels: Winspace Hyper D67, Elite Drive 65D, Yishun's own wheels, and Yoeleo C50 Pro. A mix between latex and TPU tubes.

Negatives:
-The upper bottle cage mount is too high. While it's easier to grab, it can make putting the bottle back tedious at times. It's probably less aero too and you may not be able to use an extra large bottle without hitting the top tube.

-The gap between the down tube and front wheel. I can't imagine this section being aero since the sizable gap could lead to turbulent air and subsequent drag. Not sure how Yishun could resolve this while keeping the same stack and reach.

Positives:
-The frame is stiff and but not punishing. A $1500-worthy frame for sure and way more exciting to ride than my Yoeleo R12. No detectable power loss through the bottom bracket. Everything "just works" when the speeds get fast. The back end/rear triangle isn't as composed (over bad pavement) as my Propel/AllezSprint/T1500 but decent enough given the price. And superior to all my other sub-$1000 frames.

-The geometry and design as a whole lends itself to be an awesome gran fondo bike. It's not as nimble as the aforementioned bikes but it makes up for it in control.

Even if the R086-D design or geometry isn't for you, I have no reason to believe Yishun's other offerings won't have the same higher level of performance, fit and finish for the price. Pay very close attention to your bike fit and wheel/choice. Not surprising these two areas will dramatically determine who you feel about the frame. You can mitigate the stiffness with 23mm internal wheels with steel spokes. I need to reduce my fleet of aero bikes and the R086-D will probably be the reason I sell my Allez Sprint.

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My local Shimano dealer here in the US is having a sale on 105 Di2 12sp groupsets for around $1000 usd. Not as a cheap as ER9/ERX, but in less than a year's time I would have forgotten about the extra $500 in exchange for running a proven and reliable groupset.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Elitewheels Edge wheelset
« on: October 17, 2023, 10:16:25 AM »
I wonder if Elite can build a set of wheels using the same rims and 36t ratchet system, but with carbon spokes and ceramic bearings.

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Thanks Patrick! But you think the 177 was a better frame than the 168?

How did the Rinasclta (Airwolf) vs. 177 vs 168?

It depends what you value in a frame. And the type of riding you do. The 168 has wider tire clearance, looks more aero, and is very comfortable. I just didn't find (my) particular copy of the 168 frame to be neither stiff nor responsive (for the type of riding I personally do). The 177 feels stiffer and is lighter.

The Rinasclta (Airwolf) is an all-road frame. Do you need the ability to run 38c tires? Get the Rinasclta. If you only need 32c clearance then the 168 will be just fine. But if you are prioritizing stiffness, responsiveness, and speed specifically for road cycling then you would not run 32c tires to begin with.



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The 168 should be able to clear 34-35s, measured at the tire. But I would not recommend on anything but dry and debris free roads.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Yishun R086-D Aero Road
« on: October 12, 2023, 12:25:14 PM »
Noob question: can I ask why?

Not a noob question at all. Budget frames are supplied with budget hardware. I've found that the default expander plugs on cheap bikes don't grip the steer tube well. And are too short. Over time the headset stack will develop headset play as the plug slips from road vibrations and bumps.

Also running a longer (albeit heavier) plug means you can safely run spacers above the stem and still have the plug extend below the second/lower stem bolt clamping force.

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Yes, of course, what kind information you need?

Thanks

What is the price + shipping to USA (and PayPal fees). And does the price include a standard paint option?

Lastly, do you have any photos of a complete build? Thanks!

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Yishun R086-D Aero Road
« on: October 11, 2023, 02:57:28 PM »
Hello, I'm planning on building one too. Is the headset provided by Yishun good, or should I get another one (FSA)?

Bearings are decent, however you should ALWAYS use your own expander/compression plug versus the provided one. I use Neco Headset Expander (size large) on all my cheap bike frames.

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