I have also read that on mtbr but can not find any structure behind it. Does anyone know if the prices listed on the site include shipping? It would appear so as I "checked out" and was asked only for the listed price when using paypal. A couple vendors I have emailed are not too good at responding to more then one question at a time and this makes for a lengthy process. For instance, I asked if they stock a FS frame and also if the frame prices on the site include shipping. I got a message back letting me know they do not have FS at this time but that's it. Digi, good to know shipping was so quick