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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: VeloBuild VB-R-268 frame
« on: April 19, 2024, 02:58:27 PM »
Quote from: eldrakos on April 19, 2024, 05:31:52 AM
I can see that I am not the only one having issues with rear caliper mount. How do you guys manage it? Do you have any clever tips to align it? Usual methods i.e. tightening mounting bolts with a brake engaged with or without metal shim doesn't work.

Here are my steps, assuming after a fresh and proper brake bleed:

Step 1: Re-seat/Recess the pistons fully back into the caliper. Very important step.
Step 2: Loosen the caliper bolts.
Step 3: Firmly engage the brake to the rotor. I usually squeeze about 4-5 times to fully engage the pistons.
Step 4: Torque calipers bolts while brakes are engaged. Release brakes.
Step 5: Spin the wheel and inspect any rotor imbalances or brake rub. A white strip of paper behind the caliper really helps.
Step 6: Slightly loosen the caliper bolts and use metal shim.
Step 7: If that doesn't work you can also use a very thin plastic/paper one sided shim on either side of the rotor. Rotor shims can also be helpful if the wheel hub in general is too far offset/off-center at either side.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame
« on: April 19, 2024, 08:59:24 AM »
For what it's worth, I found the Sram Force eTap groupset 1x on latest my VB-268 for $500 used locally. Just needed rotors and cassette which I already had. The groupset wasn't pristine but it's a $500 frame end of the day.

1.5 years ago at the end of the pandemic, Sram was also offering brand new Force groupsets for like $850. Since then I regularly find deals on the various marketplaces.

If you constantly build new bikes with internal cables you wont wanna touch mechanical groupsets again. However, you if are only dealing with a single forever bike, all the more reason to go electronic  :-X

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: VeloBuild VB-R-268 frame
« on: April 17, 2024, 03:24:36 PM »
Thanks for the support yall. I appreciate the input over the years.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: VeloBuild VB-R-268 frame
« on: April 17, 2024, 10:31:40 AM »
Quote from: Serge_K on April 17, 2024, 02:00:09 AM
Using the same wheels, could you do a NorCal kind of video on a loop you know well, swapping 2 or 3 bikes? You have to use the same wheels for any credible kind of comparison. Your times would be interesting, but equally interesting would be your impression.
I take issue with the "because it's 500usd it can never compete with a 1500usd frame", given the 268 is t800&1000, EPS moulded, proven geometry & shape: it's latest best practice afaik. Now yoeleo or the likes are, afaik, just taking oem frames and branding them for a premium, just less of a premium than western brands. Having looked at their specs sheet, manufacturing methods, reputation for QC, the reason why I don't buy them is because I don't see that my money would go into the frame.
I'd like to be proven wrong, because I can afford to pay 1500 for a frame, or 5000 for that matter, but i care about relative value.
Last, i saw you have a colnago video, any chance you would test ride that with your own wheels for comparison?
Colnago Vs velobuild video would break the internet :D

Based on the hundreds of messages I received over the years, the typical viewer of my channel isn't looking for VeloBuild to be an equal alternative to one of the major brands. What they want is assurance their money won't be stolen, and that their collarbones won't be broken from a random catastrophic failure. Basically is the frame good enough all things considered. I try to keep my videos light-hearted and sensible. Save engineering and race opinions for the engineers and racers.

Confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance is human nature. Whether VeloBuild or Specialized, we all want to believe we've made the best purchase. No harm in that.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: VeloBuild VB-R-268 frame
« on: April 16, 2024, 03:38:18 PM »
Quote from: trytogo on April 16, 2024, 12:05:13 PM
There is no standardization in testing here. He compares bike ABC with different groupsets, bars, and wheels (incl tyres type, size, wheel depth, spoke type) plus a whole bunch of variables with what looks to be minimal testing time (first impressions). Unless someone sets up bikes with exactly the same components and A/B tests them back to back in set conditions, then isolating and commenting on the frame's "performance" would be mighty difficult.

Correct. First impression video and then long-term video per usual. Even if I were to conduct standardized test, I would get called out for doing "bro science" as other YouTuber's have. Thankfully the support of this very forum over the years is what allows me to continue and make content. I'm very grateful.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: VeloBuild VB-R-268 frame
« on: April 16, 2024, 11:09:51 AM »
Quote from: 2Burgen on April 16, 2024, 10:16:45 AM
In your Video you said, that there is a significant difference between this frame and a higher priced frame.
As someone who rides his Scott CR1 in the last 14 years and doesn’t ride a lot of different road bikes, I can not imagine what the difference is. Would it be possible to elaborate this?

For clarity, are you saying you cannot imagine the differences because there aren't any? Or because you have ridden the same bike for 14 years?

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: VeloBuild VB-R-268 frame
« on: April 16, 2024, 09:44:20 AM »
First impression video is live.

My VeloBuild 268 Is FINISHED - First Ride Impressions
https://youtu.be/-we6CsAEaQY?si=f13auTeXKcUV-wwR

Also, I've had some problems with random creaking. Initially I thought it was the saddle rail clamp. Then the cables being routed into the headset. And finally the bottom bracket. Nope. It was the seatpost clamp. I torqued the clamp a little more than I usually do (7nm instead of 5nm) and it was still creaking. A lot. The solution was adding a bit of electrical tape around seat post clamp where the clamp seats into the frame, and adding another strip of tape along the area of the seatpost that contacts the clamp. Problem solved.



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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: VeloBuild VB-R-268 frame
« on: April 13, 2024, 07:45:30 AM »
Size 56
-Nepest Maui 45 (1282g/54t)
-SRAM Force eTap 1x
-Pass Quest 50t Chainring
-Quarq/SRAM Spider PM
-Nova Ride OSPW
-Cybrei Ceramic BB86 DUB
-Continental GP5000 28c
-Ride Now TPU Tubes (36g)
-Carbon Saddle (102g)
-Look Keo Blade Ceramic Pedals
-Arundel Gecko Bar Tape
-Cyclowax PreWaxed Chain

7.2kg / 7.6kg with everything

Only ridden around the block for photos. Rear caliper mount wasn't faced properly, but everything else was easy to build.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Winspace SCL 2 disc
« on: April 07, 2024, 12:37:44 PM »
Quote from: Serge_K on April 07, 2024, 10:31:41 AM
I find the whole Chinese "branded" segment that's fueled by YouTubers very confusing. On this forum, winspace, yoeleo, Seka seem to have some of the worst reputations.

Gentle reminder that corporations, marketing agencies, and YouTubers are all in the business of making money as first priority. Even if a YouTuber refused to accept any product "for free", they are still monetizing their videos on said products. Pro bono does not exist.

No brand is exempt from problems and defects. And every product review paid or not will have some measure of bias. The only true solution for a potential new customer is to simply invest their own money and purchase the bike/frame themselves. And then form their own opinion.

I believe Winspace is dealing with an overstock problem, and are trying to clear out old frames/wheels. Which is strange considering they are backlogged with Agile frame orders. Perhaps it's a financial issue too.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
« on: April 03, 2024, 09:58:48 AM »
I am way beyond the point of gratuitous consumerism and hoarding bikes. But I really want one.

My current Tavelo Attack is fantastic especially with a great set of wheels. It's light and very responsive. The only thing holding it back from being perfect given the price, is I would love a bit more reach. The geometry is more of an all-arounder than aero.

The new Tavelo Arow frame solves both the reach and stack issues for me. And the design means I could probably theoretically dump both my Attack and Propel frames. I think this new frame will be more popular than even the new Winspace Agile.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: VeloBuild VB-R-268 frame
« on: April 03, 2024, 08:57:19 AM »
Prepared to be disappointed  ;D

I run a 140mm -12 stem on my Allez Sprint, paired with a set of carbon bars from Prime Bike Components (76mm reach).

The problem with running the FSA no69 headset system in this particular build is I can't get my overall stack height low enough, and I don't have a spare 140 stem. Only a 130mm -17. Thankfully I bought a spare set of Prime bars before they stopped shipping to the USA.

Currently my bar selection is an integrated cockpit I had from a pervious TanTan build. 120mm stem, 84mm reach, -10 angle. Brands grossly mis-measure the stem length on their integrated cockpits. From the compression cap bolt to the center point on the top, rather than to the imaginary stem faceplate. Essentially the stem on a 120mm integrated cockpit is more like the equivalent of a 130/135mm length traditional stem.

So with a bar reach of 84mm, an effectively 135mm length stem, and the fact I don't really need spacers going this route, the integrated cockpit will get me much closer to mimicking my Allez Sprint than a separate 140mm stem/bar FSA 69 combo.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Yuanan Carbon fiber wheelsets Year end discount promotion
« on: April 02, 2024, 09:53:17 PM »
Quote from: Leon Hu on April 02, 2024, 09:48:06 PM
Hi Guys, Happy Easter Holidays! Our new wave road/gravel wheelset and ultra-light 970g disc wheels have arrived. In addition, there is also a group purchase event for carbon spoke wheelsets. Join now to enjoy super discounts immediately. Other carbon wheelsets are also on sale—a more cost-effective price than Aliexpress.Any interested friends can contact me at any time. I hope our friends all don't miss it! Whatsapp:+8615738274372. Email:sales@yuananbike.com.

Hi Leon - Are these similar to Elite's latest Drive Helix wheels?

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: VeloBuild VB-R-268 frame
« on: April 01, 2024, 02:38:47 PM »
My first look video is live on the channel.

YouTube Search: Velobuild 268 First Look - My excitement for budget frames has returned
https:// youtu.be/SKZo17VVuEk?si=lfH6xQdDkYU3oMDy

https://youtu.be/SKZo17VVuEk?si=lfH6xQdDkYU3oMDy

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: VeloBuild VB-R-268 frame
« on: March 28, 2024, 06:14:39 PM »
Size 56
Silver Chameleon Paint
Frame (no FD hanger): 1079g - I'm going 1x. FD delete saves 15g
Fork (uncut): 406g
Seatpost (with saddle clamp): 228g
TOTAL: 1713g

I'm going to assume the 950g advertised weight for a size M was unpainted, and the 180g seatpost didn't include the actual saddle clamp. The 410g fork weight however is accurate. No complaints to be honest. Both paint and facing surfaces look good too.

For Reference...

Giant Propel Size ML
Frame: 1071g (both hangers)
Fork: 361g
Seatpost: 198g
Total: 1630g

Tavelo Attack size L
Frame: 1041g
Fork: 443g
Seatpost: 156g
Total: 1640g

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Hygge Aero Carbon Frame
« on: March 22, 2024, 11:24:07 AM »
I have a VB-268 frameset delivering later today. When it comes it to building up these super budget frames I find that a careful consideration of 3rd party components, wheels, and hardware are far more important than the frame itself. At this point I don't even bother ordering handlebars or headset bearings anymore.

Obviously a customer should not need to do this if the brand is providing decent equipment. But usually this is where the cost cutting measures have been made. Don't leave the 3 contact points up for chance.

Quality handlebar/stem/wheels from reputable brands, extra long compression plug, and a reliable bottom bracket. The marginal upgrade of each component collectively can transform most $500 frames.

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