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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: TanTan TT-X21 frame
« on: February 26, 2021, 12:58:24 PM »
No problem here at all. The half ring sits perfect. Did you connect the half ring properly to the top bearing cover?

I think this may be an issue with TanTan frames, with small differences from one frame to the next, maybe. My issue was never with setting the ring correctly. The TanTan ring would snap nicely into the TanTan bearing all the time. My problem was the stack height for the bearings + crown race + ring was never right.

I actually have two different headsets, the TanTan supplied one and an FSA ACR. The bearings are all 1.5 36 + 45 and all fit into the frame's 1.5" inch integrated cups snugly, without play, but they are all different heights. Between the 4 bearings, 2 rings, and 2 crown races, the stack height can be all over the place. Using any combination of pieces, I either had a stack height that locked up my steering against the head tube before tightening the headset, at the top cap or the forks, or even both, or just wouldn't allow tightening the headset at all.

Those spacers I got from my lbs were just the trick. They allowed me to dial in the stack height of the top bearing and ring. I just had to have a bottom bearing and crown race that fit well enough to not lock up the steering at the forks after tightening down the headset. All good now.

I think if you use the thicker TanTan bearing at the bottom, and the thinner bearing at the top, you can adjust the height at the top cap and still have enough space at the forks.

Hope thate makes sense.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: 1st Build Need Help
« on: February 26, 2021, 10:52:28 AM »
Here's the gold standard for cable routing kits.

https://www.parktool.com/product/internal-cable-routing-kit-ir-1-2

It's pricey, but has everything you need.

I tried this one, the flexible magnet is nice, but I couldn't figure out how to use the most useful piece, which is the tip that you can screw into your cable opening to drag the cable through the frame.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32953221035.html


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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: TanTan TT-X21 frame
« on: February 26, 2021, 10:28:10 AM »
Hi all,

Have you had experience with play on your frame? If yes how did you resolve it?

I had an issue with the headset, as it didn’t matter how tight I made it,  the sort of half ring that stays in between the steerer tube and the top bearing seemed a fraction to small, causing the play that become extremely noticeable when I assembled the bike and used the front brake to rock the bike back and forth.

Cheers

Yes, this was an issue from day one. I went to my lbs and the tech set me up with a set of head set spacers. They are super thin, .25mm each. They sit on top of the lock ring, the half ring, that sits on top of your bearings. A stack of three worked for me, but I bought an FSA ACR headset awhile back, hoping to fix the problem that way. 

To make a long painful story short, I could tighten down the headset, but then the steering would bind, with the fork rubbing up against the head tube at the bottome, and the top cover rubbing up against the head tube at the top. I tried an FSA ACR headset, but that didn't solve the issue completely, but it did help. I ended up using one of the fatter ACR bearings at the bottom, and the fatter TanTan bearing at the top, along with the fatter FSA Lock Ring at the top, but I couldn't completely eliminate the play withing binding up the steering.

These spacers worked like a charm. No headset play at all and butter smooth steering. Yuo'll have to cut a notch in the spacers for the cables, but that's pretty simple, and you'll just have to play with the amount of spacers it takes. They come in different thicknesses.

Good luck!


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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: 1st Build Need Help
« on: February 25, 2021, 09:37:06 AM »
Hi Masta,

Your wife is a keeper! For Christmas, my wife gave me permission to build my own bike. That was a win for me.

You'll be fine! My Tantan X21 was my first build as well. Before that, I changed some inner tubes and figured out how to clean the chain on my old bike. I don't see a cable routing kit on your list. That would be highly recommended if you go with the frames on your list, but I think you have everything you need to get started.

As for your choice of frames, I don't think the Velobuild VBR-R-168 is the same frame as the Tantan X-21. The Velobuild equivalent, I think, is the 099. I don't think that will affect your build process though, they all look basically the same.

http://www.velobuild.com/products/2020-vb-r-099-aero-carbon-fiber-road-frame-disc-version-hidden-cables

For your bottom bracket, I had heard too much about creaking from crappy pressfit bottom brackets, especially if the two sides don't line up exactly right. I opted for this...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/274589296482?ViewItem=&item=274589296482

Instead of just pressing the two sides into the frame bottom with a pressfit tool, you thread the two sides together with a wrench.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Wheels-MFG-Bottom-Bracket-Wrench-for-48-5-mm-44-mm-16-notch-Wrench-BB-Spanner/254349840332?hash=item3b386e8fcc:g:aOcAAOSw7qddb3KQ

I think Zrace offers a similar style BB86 bottom bracket set-up. Something to think about anyway if you end up with a BB86 pressfit, otherwise, you'd probably have to add a dedicated pressfit tool to your toolbox.

Good luck!



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I'm running my xcadey spider power meter on Shimano XT m8100 cranks with a 1x 104bcd  dekas ring.  I'm only using this setup until my Magene P325 CS arrives ( Works great, fantastic PM. App is good, power reading are as expected, smooth and responsive. I don't think this is what you are looking for but it's a good brand imo. I ordered directly from their website.

Thank you for the input! Is that an xcadey, or a Sigeyi? I actually have thought about the Magene full crankset offering as well. At this point, I think I'm backing off the Zrace crankset. I really like their website and they ansewer emails really quickly. They say shipping and delivery will be reasonably fast if they have stock. I just think I'm leaning toward keeping my Shimano 24mm set-up.

Thanks again!

Fred

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Agreed, I'm so ready to pull the trigger, but luckily they are currently out of stock for 50/36 chainsets, giving me some time to try to get some feedback on the Zrace.

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Hi,

I think we are literally building almost the same bike!

Seems like a popular choice these days!

What do you think about the powermeter/crankset?

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I think you'd be better off purchasing a left-sided Shimano based power meter, that way you don't have to worry about the BB, and you'll have an easier time servicing and/or reselling it. Moreover, you get a reliable Shimano crank, power meter aside. Sigeyi, Xcadey and Magene are said to be accurate and of good value. However it seems that Shimano cranks are in low supply, so you may have to wait a while for them to come back in stock (and back down in price!). This Ultegra PM used to be ~$200 6 months ago, now it's $300! https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32896718766.html

I definitely considered a single-sided, single crank power meter. I'm asking specifically about the Sigeyi+Zrace because it is a dual sided full crankset for not much more than a single crank. But, with getting into the Chinese carbon frame market in the first place, things don't always run smoothly. I know I won't be satisfied with a single-sided PM in the long run, and now that I'm really enjoying riding my bike without a lot of the fuss, I can wait for a either a good deal on a dual-sided, or just save up for one of the more expensive ones. Just trying to figure out how much fuss the Sigeyi + Zrace might add and it it's really a good deal.

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Took me awhile to sort out all the issues with my TanTan TT-21 build. All due to my lack of build experience, not anything noteworthy wrong with the frame.

I'm thinking about this next....

https://www.sigeyishop.com/product/zracesigeyi-rx-power-meter-crankset/

Everything I've read about the power meter has been mostly positive, positive enough for my use anyway. Does anybody have any experience with the crankset though? I'd be swapping out my Shimano 105 R7000 crankset and would be happy with performance that is close to the 105 anyway, with regard to stiffnes. I'd also have to switch out my Wheels MFG BB86 threaded pressfit, which I love, for a DUB BB92, which concerns me about compatibility. I welcome any thoughts.

Thanks!

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Integrated handlebar
« on: February 23, 2021, 05:47:28 PM »
Yeah, that basic design is sold by a ton of vendors. The TanTan version is what they supply with the frame I purchased from them. it's fine, pretty stiff, came with my frame, but not too expensive to buy seperately.  But svanimp is right about hoses and cabeling. They will fit, but it's a tight fit and you'll have to make sure you run the cables through the bars, head tube, and frame with enough precision to allow the cables to fit without screwing up your braking and shifting.

If I ever have any more issues, at all, with cabling, hoses, my headset, damage the handlebars, I'm going to save up for a more user friendly and serviceable set up.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: TanTan TT-X21 frame
« on: February 23, 2021, 05:07:35 PM »
How did you all choose between the TT-X23, TT-X24, and TT-X21? They all look similarly priced. Did you all pass on the TT-X3 because of the BB386 bottom bracket?

The TT-X3 was my first choice. It was out of stock when I ordered back in November. Back then, they told me it would be available in March. My second choice was actually the TT-X22. That would have been my first choice, but it cost twice as much. I went with the TT-X21 because that's what they said was in stock and ready to ship, and I didnt have to pay $599 for it.

If I had it to do all over again, I probably would have gone with the Velobuild 099 if I'd know about it. It's costs even less than what I paid for the X21, with way cheaper shipping charges. Now that I have my bike build and have been riding it for a few weeks now, I don't have any regrets though about going with TanTan and not knowing about Velobuild.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: TanTan TT-X21 frame
« on: February 23, 2021, 04:51:02 PM »
I am expecting delivery of spare handlebar spacers soon.
What height do you cut the fork at relative to the handlebars?

Just about every set of instructions I saw on cutting the steerer says, once you determine how many spacers you will use, to mark the tube at top surface of the stem, then cut 3 mm below that mark to give the top cap enough space to tighten the headset. In the case of the X21, of course, you mark the steerer tube at the top surface of the integrated handlebars.

With the TanTan top cap and compression plug I got with my headset, though, I actually had to use a 5mm spacer above the handlebar to have enough space to tighten down the headset after I cut the tube. The bottom surface of the top cap bulges into the space above the top of the steerer tube and didn't allow me to tighten down the headset enough with just a 3mm space I had after I cut the steerer.

So, I guess it kinda depends on what compression plug and top cap you are going to use. Apologies if that doesn't answer your question.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: TanTan TT-X21 frame
« on: February 18, 2021, 09:57:47 AM »
This is the integrated handlebar and stem that came with my frame.

http://tantancycling.com/index.php?_m=mod_product&_a=view&p_id=623

Here is the top cap from TanTan, on my bike, along with the compression plug that I'm not using. The TanTan top cap works with the compression plug that came with the FSA ACR headset. There is a rubber cover that fits over the bolt, but I stopped using it and can't seem to track it down.




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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: TanTan TT-X21 frame
« on: February 17, 2021, 09:02:33 PM »
You have a different handlebar and stem than I do. The bolt for the top cap to the compression plug has a rubber cap that covers the hex bolt. The compression plug that comes with the X-21 is pretty worthless. It slips constantly. I switched it out for an FSA compression plug. If you replace your compression plug for less than $20 USD, you can have a much better plug and use the cap that comes with the TanTan plug to cover that bolt, maybe.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: TanTan TT-X21 frame
« on: February 08, 2021, 10:44:52 PM »
Regarding the headset bearings, I've run them both ways. With the thicker, red in my case, bearing up top, I had to rreally crank down on the top bolt to take the play out of the steerer tube, but there was no effect on the steering stiffness at all. The headset felt decent though.

With the thinner bearing, black in my case, up top, it only took less than 1 and a half turns on the top bolt to practicallly freeze the steering, but it still left more play in the head set.

I did try the FSA headset for a minute, but it didnt feel much different than the TanTan headset with the black.
 up top and red down below. I'm running the TanTan now with black top red bottom because it's the last combo I tried and I got tired or messing with it. It's a bit flexy but it is fine.

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