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Pat, I noticed you had this ring and are running AXS with it: https://pq-bike.com/collections/130bcd

even though the site says: "Standard 9/10/11/12 speed is available, sram axs cannot"

I guess it works though? I need a 46t ring...

EDIT: Woops see you have the direct mount and it doesn't have that spec, my bad!

Yup! I bought mine from AliX which specifies 12 Speed:

PASS QUEST Round Chainring 107BCD for Sram Rival AXS 12S Crankset 107 Bcd MTB Road Bike Chainwheel 36 40 42 54 56 58 T

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805496424292.html?gatewayAdapt=glo2usa

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Kind of bummed that it doesn't come into its own until ~23-24 MPH though...

Generally speaking, most road bikes perform the same when you're puttering around slower than 23mph on flat roads.

It's why big brands go to unrealistic lengths to describe how their latest frames "are 45 seconds faster over a distance of 40 km compared to their predecessors" at a speed which recreational riders probably couldn't sustain solo

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Final Weight: 7.2kg (7.6kg with pedals, cages, GPS mount, and power meter)

This was not intended to be a weight weenie build, but there are some pretty cheap and easy methods to drop the weight. The most expensive component are the wheels and they come in at 1366g. Both the saddle and aero chainring are AliExpress specials. Going 1x and also adding TPU inner tubes....easily saved 400+ grams.

The bike is fast in a straight line. Once you're above 23-24mph, drafting in a group, or have a tailwind you can tangibly notice how fast it is. You'd think with such a thick seatpost and bottom bracket the ride would be harsh but in fact it's quite comfortable. Cam Nichols' latest video on his Elves Falath Evo explains this phenomenon. My only main criticism is it isn't very composed over bad pavement. You won't be able to really feel any harshness but more so in how the bike handles the bad pavement.

TanTan provided me with a 5% off code if you order via their Alibaba site. Single frame orders are accepted.

https://activity.alibaba.com/promotion/coupon.html?encryptSellerId=8ZMAg%2FgGIq4Qf53DSNy5Vw%3D%3D

Full review video coming.

P.S. - The gold decals done by a 3rd grader. Myself.

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Will it fit to the frame or should i buy another one, also I'm very confused about tool, which one should i buy? there's just million variation even for T47 16 tooth.

Ceccotti provided that BB because it's a T47 for Shimano 24 Hollowtech cranks. The frame should be T47 unless you ordered otherwise. If you're are planning to use Shimano cranks that's the one you need.

You will need a specific T47 tool different than BSA or BB386 16 notch BBs. The good news is All T47 bottom bracket tools use the same size 16-notch, with a major diameter (outside of notches) of 52-54 mm

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This trend of one-bike-to-rule-them-all SL7 androdioecy needs to stop LoL.

I understand it both from a pragmatic and functional perspective. However, it's not as exciting anymore.

Uniformity is turning into conformity.
 

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@patliean does this frame work with fsa acr stems or other options? I want narrower bars than tantan offers

The frame uses a standard 1.5 bearing upper and lower. FSA/ACR should not be an issue.

I would like to mention Tan Tan sent me an email earlier today saying they seen and appreciated my recent x38 overview video. They want to "work with me" and offer up some sort of discount/affiliate code. Full disclosure I did purchase the frameset with my own money without mentioning to Tan Tan of my channel, because I just think the frame is kinda unique.

Will keep you posted.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Carbonda Cfr 1056
« on: July 11, 2023, 08:45:09 PM »
BSA threaded bottom bracket are less prone to creaking than press fitted BB86 bottom bracket. If you want your bike to sound like an old rocking chair go for BB86.

9 bike builds with BB86...no creaking with quality bottom brackets. Thread-together pressfit BBs help too.
1 bike with BSA...creaking within first 500 miles.

It should also be noted that most creaking isn't even bottom bracket related.

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86.5mm is literally a threaded BB386 shell. My previous width specs were a bit wonky. SRAM specify that a T47 BB for internal bottom bracket should be 85.5mm which requires then requires a 3mm spacer on the driveside when installing the crank. In your case a 2mm spacer should work and result in the chainrings being 0.5mm closer to the frame centre line. If you are using more than a single 2mm or 3mm spacer you may have somehow ended up with a "Wide" crankset.

It very much sounds like it does not have an asymmetric bottom bracket.

You caught me LoL. Yup I'm using a DUB Wide crankset. It sort of happened by accident because I didn't realize there were two DUB versions, when the crankset was originally used on my Allez Sprint. Setting up the wide-version crankset on my Allez Sprint worked seamlessly because I (also on accident) was using a DUB BSA wide bottom bracket. No issues using a standard Sram FD.

I do have a standard width crank arms on order which I'll pair with the 1x chainring and spider meter.

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The build is coming along nicely. What size chainring/cassette do you plan to use for this build? Still trying to decide between either the Elves or this frame and I was thinking about going with 1x AXS kit myself. And most importantly, I found some (seemingly) genuine Giant Propel bottle cages on ali, that alone is surely gonna give me massive savings (just kidding)

Current cassette is a 10-30t. The 1x chainring on order is 52t for the supposed "chain efficiency."

That sounds like a very unusual bottom bracket arrangement. What is the distances between the faces of the bottom bracket in the raw frame? It should be something between 68mm and 83mm?

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Why the f*ck they couldn't just go with BB386 ...

I am with you 100%. The asymmetrical BB is an weird choice because Tan Tan's website says T47 which technically is only half accurate.

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Both Shimano Ultegra mechanical shifting groupsets R8000 (rim brake) and R8020 (hydraulic) are still tremendous values even till this day. 3 of my bikes still run Ultegra R8020, and the gear shifts are just as fast and reliable as electronic groupsets even after several thousands of miles.

Obviously having to route four cables internally is a pain, which is almost worth the electronic upgrade alone. It just seems like until LTWOO/Sensai can offer a mechanical groupset that matches the refinement of Ultegra mechanical...making the quick jump to electronic is a difficult ask for early adopters.

I still want one though, as it would make for good YouTube content  ;D

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Captains Log #8

This will be my final update for a while. Took the bike on a proper ride this morning and I really enjoy it. It certainly "feels" fast and doesn't struggle to maintain speed even with the 10-15mph block headwind on the return home. At 75 PSI out on proper roads the bike maintains its composure. No rattles no creaks and no teeth chattering moments. The stiffness is totally manageable even with my pad-less fully carbon saddle.

I am definitely going 1x drivetrain when the aero chainring arrive. Once I pair that to my set of TPU tubes this should drop the bike down to around 7.3kg. Pretty killer for an all-out aero frame, and even it's current form the bike feels like a go-cart. No flex out of the saddle.

It's still too early tell, but I get the impression this will be the best performing frame I've tested under $900. And this will mostly replace my Allez Sprint as long as no random quirks or catastrophic failures pop up over the summer.

Going back to @St0mpB0x point above about bottom brackets. So this frame has an asymmetrical bottom bracket design similar to the new Cervelo Soloist. The Soloist requires a T47 inboard cup on the non-drive side and an outboard cup on the drive side. The x38 is also asymmetrical but in the opposite inboard/outboard configuration of the Soloist. I was able to use an inboard DUB T47 on both sides, but it requires a specific configuration of crank/spindle spacers on both side. This isn't exactly ideal, as you may get very slight chain rub on the FD when in the two largest cassette cogs out back with out very carefully setting up the FD. Another reason 1x makes more sense for a bike like this anyway.


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Amazon (USA) is selling SRAM Force eTap groupsets on sale for around $800.

Levers, calipers, pre-bled hoses, both derailleurs, a set of rotors, 2 batteries, AND charger. All you need to buy is a crank, chain, and cassette.

This is a no brainer...

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I wish there were a way to make a bike with a TT look (near vertical seatpost) but a compliant ride. I guess that's why Scott made that weird seat post.

-Affordable
-Lightweight
-Stiff
-Compliant

You can probably have three of the aforementioned frame characteristics, but certainly not all four. And you can't cheat physics with such a near vertical TT-like seatpost. This is like expecting an F1 race car to handle well on rough urban streets.

I prefer a stiff and communicative ride because it lets me know what the tires are doing at all times. This becomes important when the pace gets spicy. This past weekend I took both my Yoeleo R12 and Winspace T1500 on back to back long rides. The Yoeleo R12 is comfortable, composed, but doesn't have a sense of urgency. This is subjective of course. The T1500 on the other hand wants to cruise in the fast lane of the Authbahn. All day.

The point is we each have to decide what's important to us in a frameset/wheel combo. And most importantly...how much are we willing to spend to achieve said combo. Godspeed my friend.

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Captain's Log #7

Good news is my replacement bottom bracket arrived two days early, so I was able to properly install the crank/drivetrain and finish the build. The bad news is it's 90 degree here in Chicago, with rainfall in the area. I went for a quick test drive to make sure everything was in working order before the rain hit.

Weight without pedals/cages/mount/power meter: 7.6kg
I have a 1x aero chainring on order from Ali Express which will easily bring the weight down to 7.4kg once I remove the front derailleur and battery. Still need to add clearcoat  ;D

Wheels and tires: These new Magene EXAR Ultra wheels have a 23mm internal width. My 28c GP5000s measure closer to 29-30c when mounted. I typically run 76-78 PSI, but with these wheels I'm running 73-75 PSI.

Ride feel: Thank goodness I can run lower air pressure on these wheels, because the ride is exactly how I expected - STIFF
As stiff as my Dengfu R12, far stiffer than my VeloBuild 168, and it feels "racier" than my new Yoeleo R12. With that said, the frame does not exactly deal with bad pavement gracefully. I probably would not run 25c tires on it. Honestly it ride's like a tuner car from the 90s versus a modern era sport's car.

I'm hoping I can get in a proper ride in the morning, but I leave in the afternoon.

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Would 30mm spacers look utterly ridiculous on aero frame?

Ride what makes YOU happy.

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