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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Hygge Aero Carbon Frame
« on: September 05, 2023, 12:55:24 PM »
Hygee, along with Tiny Dinosaur's experience, is a great example of why this forum is important.

Phase #1 - The forum organically generates excitement for a particular brand/frame/wheel.
Phase #2 - The company realizes there is hype around their products so they start increasing marketing.
Phase #3 - Customers start receiving their orders and offering feedback.
Phase #4 - This is usually the point that can make or break customer excitement and future orders.

Don't ever feel afraid to share your bad or even horror stories. The only way to hold companies accountable is by pubic feedback. But ONLY after you've made an attempt to resolve it privately with the company.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Yishun R086-D Aero Road
« on: September 05, 2023, 12:36:21 PM »
@patliean1 been watching their wheels for some months now  LightCarbon Super Light C67DB Undulating) but from one of their other name's cproxy, 45=50 mm depth, 1319 grams, more thinking a Christmas gift to myself. How are you finding the yoelero sat wheels?

The Yoeleo Pro 50 wheels are very comfortable especially with latex tubes. Steel spokes in general just handle bad roads better than carbon spokes. My original set of Magene Exar wheels also came with steel spokes, and I paired them tubeless 32 Conti GP5000s. Both the Yoeleo and Magene are like riding on clouds.

Besides being a bit of a weight weenie, I still do prefer carbon spokes for the stiffness, lighter weight, and tire feedback. One thing I should note regarding the R086-D frameset: It's not the most comfortable bike when ridden slowly. I think steel spoke wheel will help but then you will lose a little bit of responsiveness. Then again you can always increase the tire pressure. The bike truly comes alive when ridden fast or at least at tempo.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Yishun R086-D Aero Road
« on: September 05, 2023, 09:26:11 AM »
Yishun is building me a set of these wheels to test. They should be delivered this week:

https://www.yishunbike.com/product/rbd50c/

Model 206DB-RBD50C
-Arch Bridge design (think ENVE/Princeton)
-50mm Depth
-Ext Width 30mm, Int Width 23mm  8)
-Pillar Wing 20 Spokes
-Straight pull hubs w/ ENDURO bearings, 36T star ratchet (DT style)
-Claimed weigh around 1490g

From Yishun:
"Net price 539 usd + delivery cost 100 usd around, we sell to others."

My Winspace Hyper D67 wheels are my road favorite wheels. However, they are freaking $1500 now  :o
I recently have been testing Magene's latest DB508 Ultra wheels with 23mm internal width and let me tell you - this has been a game changer for me. The comfort of 23mm width internal is superior to 21mm because of the wider contact patch the tire has to the road. And you can run slightly lower tire pressure.

I say this to say that I'm really looking forward to these Yishun wheels. They should easily become my most versatile set of wheels for both road and gravel. And I think for the price, they will give Yoeleo and other sub-$1000 wheels a run for their money. Xiamen wheel builders (Yishun, Wheelsfar, Light Bicycle) offer some of the best value for wheels. However, the majority of the wheel expense come from using brand name hubs like DT Swiss or Chris King. I have found that the recent star ratchet design Xiamen wheel builders are using are just as good. And MUCH cheaper.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Hygge Aero Carbon Frame
« on: September 04, 2023, 10:49:16 AM »
Has anyone been able to find the following details below directly from Hygge?

-Location/Mailing/Shipping Address
-Factory Location
-Return Policy
-Warranty Information

Not even their "official" website has any company information or "About Us" page. Every single Chinese brand I've tested from VeloBuild, Dengfu, TanTan, Rinasclta, and Yinshun all the way up to Yoeleo/Winspace has this information easily available.

For myself who is constantly swapping frames this probably would not be a deal breaker. Especially for a $500 frame. However, for the general public I would be cautious. The first red flag was Hygge stealing TinyDinosaur's photos. I'm not questioning the legitimacy of their business but the details outline above is standard business practice. I would inquire about this if I were buying a frame.

Even popular AliExpress Chinese bike seller OG-Evkin has this information available on their official website.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velo Build R-099 Build
« on: September 01, 2023, 10:47:20 AM »
Than I took my routing kit and it went trough the hole immediately...

Will try this with my wife tonight. Thanks

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Yishun R086-D Aero Road
« on: August 31, 2023, 08:51:57 AM »
Yesterday I brought the R086-D to my weekly fast group ride. The 2 hour training ride consists of a section of rolling hills and several sprint/drag points where we can easily hit 38-40mph on the flats with a proper tailwind. While it's technically not a road race (we re-group after every sprint section and traffic light) all the local race clubs do show up to make it quite competitive. For these type of rides I only trust my T1500 and Allez Sprint for obvious reasons.

Last year as an experiment I once brought my VeloBuild VB-168 with the same Elite Drive 65D wheels as a test. Big mistake. I was struggling all evening to put the power down as the 168 was noticeably sluggish/flexy (for me). Not great out of the saddle either.

I can confirm with both Bike Radar and Road.cc that the R086-D is a proper aero bike. Sprinting, climbing, handling into the corners at speed. The bike is fast on the flats and I did not detect any noticeable deficiencies compared to the T1500 and Allez Sprint. In fact this frame may just be slightly faster on the flats than the Allez Sprint, but I don't have any scientific data to prove it.

I've been showing up to this group ride for 2 years. Everyone knows each other well. But last night I was complimented on my ability for closing down gaps and make several bridges to the lead groups attacking up the road (I never do this LoL). While some of this is from experience and fitness, honestly the R086-D is such a bike to ridden fast with confidence.

Last thing note about the frameset specifically - I would invest in some microshims for underneath the headset cover and do a dry run of fitting the entire cockpit (including the expander plug and compression cap) before permanently routing the cables. Initially the headset cover was very slightly rubbing on the headtube. A 0.25mm microshim immediately solved the issue. I can't say if the problem was a anecdotal or a tolerance-related. No one else has reported it but just a heads up to be safe.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Hygge Aero Carbon Frame
« on: August 30, 2023, 11:51:30 AM »
@TidyDinosaur

Yo any new updates on how bike feels?

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Hygge Aero Carbon Frame
« on: August 29, 2023, 10:30:57 AM »
I actually own a vbr218 that I find a bit too sluggish.

What about the VB 218 did you find sluggish? You are not the only person to mention this. Last summer I said my VB 168 was sluggish, and the people here were not happy  :-X

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Yishun R086-D Aero Road
« on: August 28, 2023, 06:59:02 PM »
Hi Pat,

Just a question, what is your height in CM? I am considering on buying this frame but I am not sure if it will fit me because it's so aggressive. Maybe I'll try to maximize the spacers and just get a 420/110mm handlebar/stem combo to compensate the aggressiveness of the frame. I might be putting some 105 or ultegra 11 speed or if the budget allows, I'll get an LTwoo ERX..

I am 183cm tall.

https://geometrygeeks.bike/ is a great resource to compare frames and sizes to your current bike.

Just a heads up - Yishun only provides 20-25mm of spacers.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Yishun R086-D Aero Road
« on: August 28, 2023, 09:51:34 AM »
I'm interested in this frame but I'm confused.
Like with every other frame, stack is measured without the headset cap and any spacer. I get that.
You do obviously need to use the headset cap plus the cable routing spacer (the one that the stem goes on top of).
But are you sure that these are 60mm in total - 30mm each? That would make this frame's front end taller than any other bike I've used, even if I downsized.

Yishun on the left, Allez on the right.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Yishun R086-D Aero Road
« on: August 28, 2023, 08:23:48 AM »
Here is my first look video I uploaded last week, in case anyone missed it. So far I've ridden around 350mi/560km. It's a fantastic. This past weekend I took it out for a 85 mile ride and it performed exactly as I expected. Smooth and fast.

YouTube Search: The BEST Cheap Frame Money Can Buy - Yishun R086D First Look
https://youtu.be/4FxmE3UfJ-U?si=bEixZFssVNkMwB05

The headtube length is measured without the headset integration because...this is the standard way to measure. The headset stack adds 60mm minimum if you don't use extra spacers. Looking at my bike position below, it's a pretty aggressive but sustainable setup. But it's mainly due to my long arms relative to my legs and torso, rather than trying to be super aero.

EDIT: The headset bearing cup is recessed 15mm into the headtube. So while the overall headset stack of 60mm is pretty tall for a "slammed" stem, Yishun made considerations for this which is why they recessed the headtube. Basically the headstack is effectively more like 45mm which is very comparable stack to my Winspace T1500 and 2022 Allez Sprint. And the headtube measurement is more like 145mm rather than 130mm for a size 54.

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I'm going to go out on a limb and say the Airwolf and Rinasclta frames are totally coming off the same line. They carry all the same models, even track and rim brake frames. Some of the website photos are shared. I see no reason to pay Rinasclta any extra money.

Correct. I've spoke with Rinasclta about this to confirm, and mentioned it (not by name) in one of my Rinasclta videos.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Yishun R086-D Aero Road
« on: August 23, 2023, 02:15:06 PM »
Hey Pat,

Checked out the review. Maybe a separate topic, but it sounds like you are on the verge of tapping out on cheap Chinese frames. What would your YouTube presence look like?

Ideally I’d like my channel to become more like China Cycling in terms of reviewing not-so-known brands that offer a great value, rather than just simply being budget/cheap. I’ve missed out on opportunities to review more premium products because companies assume I’ll somehow compare their offerings to cheaper alternatives.

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My issue that stops me buying is that I run most of my bikes 1 X and I'd want to remove hanger.  They tell me this is difficult (it looks like Allen Key on their web pictures but I'm presuming it's actually riveted).

The same hanger is on my R086D and I was able to immediately remove it upon delivery. I'm also running a 1x setup.
2mm and 2.5mm bolts don't require much torque so you should be able to remove it.

After a few exchanges with Yishun, it seems the main reason they are reluctant to offer frames to the general public is to avoid overstepping their agreement with 3rd party brands who may have ordered (or in part developed) frames and are charging double the price.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Yishun R086-D Aero Road
« on: August 21, 2023, 11:05:47 AM »
Hey Pat,

I really value your opinion. What would you recommend for a bike? I'm looking for aero (but not a all costs). Should be an allrounder, but race oriented. Not endurance or comfort. I like the sl7 and the new Cannondale (supersix, not the bulky system six). I normally do group ride around 39km/h average. Solo rides are around 33-35km/h. Mostly flat, but do like the occasional trip to hilly/mountain rides (so weight is not the main concern, but should be heavy).

Going for old school 2x11 (of 2x12) di2 or etap last gen and 45-50mm wheels.

Velobuild 177 is an option, so is the Yinsun R086-D.

What do you recon?

(last criteria: will be building myself, I hate problems like f'd-up c-rings and stuff. Dont want to fiddle around too much)

I really like the Velobuild 177. They offer paint options (unlike Yishun), they've made improvement to their hardware (thanks to this forum), and you have a wealth of knowledge from experienced people in here should you choose to buy one.

As far as wheels I'm a fan of both the Elite Drives and Magene's latest Ultra wheels. In fact there is a forum member in here running a VB-177 and Magene Ultra wheels. Looks sick!

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