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29er / Re: Lexon "Riot 10"
« on: February 22, 2022, 08:44:37 PM »
Awesome, thanks! My Norco sits at 1188mm and I was concerned that the Riot would be considerably shorter, based off its relatively small reach & TT numbers. Would hate to order & build one up just for it to be a squirrelly twitchy mess.

No problem and it has not felt twitchy at all.  FWW I'm running a 50mm stem and 800mm wide bars.  I plan to have the bars cut down to at least 780, maybe even down to 760.  The bars keep hitting trees on the trails I ride most frequently. 

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29er / Re: Lexon "Riot 10"
« on: February 20, 2022, 10:42:23 PM »
@RongGearBob what's the wheelbase on your L build? Is that with the 100 or the 120 fork?

My wheelbase on the size L frame with 120mm RS Reba is ~1193mm. 

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29er / Re: Lexon "Riot 10"
« on: February 13, 2022, 10:51:53 PM »
I'm 6' and riding a large Riot, I find it fits me well and I do not feel cramped.  My previous bike was a Specialized Crave 2014 hard tail, the Riot is "bigger" in most aspects when compared to my old bike, 30mm longer reach (but I'm using a shorter stem now and wider bars) and the wheelbase especially is much longer (50mm) due to the slacker head tube. Earlier in this thread there are a bunch of comments on bike measurements which may be helpful to you.  In my opinion it seems Lexon is keeping with traditional sizing charts, whereas today many bike brands have increased the size of bikes, so what used to be a large is now considered a medium and so on.  All said at 6' I'm comfortable on the size large Riot, I don't feel cramped or stretched out and I'm using 175mm cranks.  Hope this helps.

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29er / Re: Lexon "Riot 10"
« on: February 13, 2022, 03:23:37 PM »
Looks like Everjoy is selling Lexon Riot 2022.  I haven't checked all of the specs but it seems to be very similar to the 2021 version, Riot 10, with the exception of allowing for a larger front chainring.  It now allows for up to a 40T chainring.  I think the Lexon decal on downtube might be new too, my Riot 10 frame is matte without any decals, so I can't be sure. 

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29er / Re: Lexon "Riot 10"
« on: February 11, 2022, 11:01:36 PM »
It looks like Everjoy is no longer selling Lexon bikes period.  Not sure what is up, but the Riot 10 is available through other AliExpress sellers  Toplevel Bike Stop and Ryet.

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29er / Re: Lexon "Riot 10"
« on: February 04, 2022, 11:20:30 PM »
My experience as well with the ZTTO from a few years ago, I could never get it to shift right and gave up on it. 

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29er / Re: Lexon "Riot 10"
« on: January 22, 2022, 08:27:08 PM »
Quick update - I've had the chance to get in a few more rides on singletrack trails (albeit the trails are frozen rock hard) and the Lexon Riot has performed well.  Very good at descending, especially with the 120mm travel fork, I've managed to pick up several PR's. Nimble enough for corners and getting over rocks and roots while being solid on drops and jumps. It climbs well, even better after I swapped out the 32T chainring for a 30T to go with the E*13 9-46 11 speed cassette.   I can see maybe even dropping to a 28T chainring to go with the cassette. 

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29er / Re: Cabon Frame Manufacturer Ranking
« on: January 14, 2022, 07:36:28 PM »
I would agree, figure out the frame first and then research it and the provider/manufacturer.  I purchased my first Chinese carbon frame back in October, I heavily relied on the information here and some YouTube videos.  My process was:

- Identify the type of bike frame I wanted to purchase, in my case a FS XC with a 120mm of fork travel and at least a 68 degree head tube angle.
- I created a spreadsheet of all of the frames that met the criteria (or at least close enough to be considered) with the main criteria plus the metrics like seat tube angle, reach, stack, BB type, price, what's included, etc.
- Researched the top ones I was interested in by reading everything I could find here, Aliexpress ratings (although I didn't give too much weight to this) and general google searches.
- Finally pulled the trigger, I was live chatting with the provider (in my case Everjoy Industries) at the time of purchase (I was monitoring on a code release for work in the middle of the night so this was the perfect opportunity).  The live chatting was moments after I made the purchase, but reassuring nonetheless. They were very responsive, sent me photos of the frame as it was prepared for shipping, threw in an extra derailleur hanger for me at my request.  Overall I was pleased with them and the experience.

One of the best pieces advice I saw somewhere was to pick a frame from a brand that would put their brand name on the frame (as opposed to a knock off of some other frame without branding). I went with the Lexon Riot 10 for what it is worth, you can see my posts in that thread as I went through the research, to purchase, to build journey.  Lexon brands the frame, although I went with the matte black and no Lexon branding, additionally the frame is used by a pro XC rider, Eva Lechner.  If it is good enough for her, I figured it was more than good enough for me as a middle of the pack finisher in CAT 2.

Good luck and enjoy the journey.
 

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Thanks for the info, it seemed to be the RS fork upgrade that was recommended on several sites, but based on the info in the link provided and the inability to find it in stock anywhere...except Australia...I'm going to pass.  Plus it looks like I'm saving 5 grams by not doing the upgrade :)

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29er / Re: Lexon "Riot 10"
« on: January 09, 2022, 10:19:13 AM »
Hit some proper XC single track trails yesterday that were snow and ice covered so I couldn't send it as hard as I would normally ride.  That said, so far I am very pleased with the frame and bike build overall: ride, feel, feedback, climbing, downhills, responsiveness, the ability to hammer through rock gardens, everything that I was looking for in a modern XC bike. The only area I haven't had the opportunity to test is hard cornering, the trails were just to slippery yesterday. 

A few comments on the components:

- The drivetrain with the e13 cassette is running great, I like having the 46T cog for the hill climbs.
- PMW Loam post is solid and works great.
- The upgraded Reba fork to 120mm travel works well with the frame.
- The Charger damper upgrade in the fork is really nice and much better than the crappy Rockshox motion control damper.  It is expensive but I'm glad I splurged.
- Nukeproof Horizon handlebars feel great, I did scrape a tree so I'm still thinking I will cut them down from the 800mm width to at least 780, maybe even down to 760.

I do have one question, early on in this thread someone indicated that you could add a second water bottle.  I don't see how this is possible inside the front triangle, the only way I can see is adding to the underside of the downtime via a strap, which would end up covered in dirt or mud...no thanks.  Does anyone have any other recommendations on how to accomplish a second water bottle on the frame?

I tried posting another photo but I kept getting an error message that the photo was too big, I reduced the size several times and finally just gave up.

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29er / Re: XC Frame opinions
« on: January 05, 2022, 01:28:54 PM »
Here's the Hambini YT link for the Trifox review - a different frame but it speaks to the Trifox quality. 




Here's his ICAN frame review:



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29er / Re: XC Frame opinions
« on: January 04, 2022, 09:42:54 PM »
You may also want to look at Trifox MFM100 and ICAN S3, both of these were on my short list, have 100mm rear travel and seem to be very reputable - Trifox has been sending their frame to several YouTubers for them to review.  Hambini, in addition to being very entertaining, gave very positive reviews on carbon frames from both manufacturers.  All that said, I ended up going with Lexon Riot frame, with 110 rear travel.  You can see my write up on that frame and my build on the Lexon Riot 10 thread.  The short story, I just finished my build and have had one ride on it and I'm happy with it so far.

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29er / Re: Lexon "Riot 10"
« on: January 03, 2022, 10:31:14 AM »
Finally got the build completed and took it out for a ride yesterday...unfortunately on gravel due to a lot of recent rain.  While I wasn't able to pedal on miles of singletrack I did manage hit a few short rocky descents and climbs along with some wet roots and the bike handled it all very well (I set 3 new PRs without even trying).  On these features the bike felt very secure and the rear wheel really planted, I'm coming from a hardtail so this is one of the riding aspects I was looking forward to in a full suspension bike.  On the gravel trails it felt exactly like how an XC bike should feel, quick and snappy. 

On that point, based on current categorization the Riot is an XC bike, however when compared to my 2014 Specialized Crave with its 71.5 degree headtube angle, to me the Lexon Riot felt down right "Downcountry"  with its 68 degree HTA and longer fork travel (120mm vs 100mm).

My build is a couple pounds heavier than what I was shooting for weighing in at 27 pounds, than the targeted 25 pounds. However I don't think this will be too much of hinderance for the trails I ride along with the 2-4 races per year I compete in (CAT 2 middle of the pack).  I've never been overly concerned with weight, I like having a dropper post and BIG flat pedals, therefore if I wanted to shed some weight I could, change out the seat post, pedals, go with carbon rims, etc.  For now I think I'm set. By the way, I ended up mounting the new Mavic rear wheel and e13 cassette, the DT Swiss rear wheel that I was planning on using during the winter needs some new bearings in the hub. 

Below are all of the components:

Frame: Lexon Riot 10
Shock: Rockshox Monarch RL - Purchased with the frame
Fork: Rockshox Reba 120mm travel with Charger 2 damper - I upgraded the internals on old 100mm Reba
Wheels: Mavic Crossmax (142mm rear with spacers to conform to boost)- The wheels are a warranty replacement and Mavic wouldn't upgrade it to boost, the new front wheel hasn't been mounted yet but fits the fork without any need for spacers
Tires: F - Maxxis Ardent / R - Continental CrossKing - I like this set up, Ardent grips the corners well and the CrossKing is very efficient, good traction and rolls well. 
Cassette: e*13 11 speed, 9x46 - New and doubtful I'll be using the 9t cog too much, but the 46t granny gear is nice
Crank and Chainring: Sram dub 32t (non-boost) - This pairs well with the non-boost rear wheel, drivetrain shifting is spot on. (Never used before, I had purchased it for my old bike)
Pedals:  Pedaling Innovations Catalyst (I like big flat pedals, my 5/10 shoes really stick to these pedals) and from my old bike
Shifter: Sram GX 11 speed - From my old bike
Derailleur: Sram GX 11 Speed - From my old bike
Dropper Seat Post: PNW Loam 150mm travel - New
Dropper lever: Wolftooth - From my old bike
Saddle: Fizik Gobi M5 - From my old bike
Handlebars: Nukeproof  Horizon (carbon) - New, 780mm seems a little wide but want to ride them for awhile before making any adjustments
Stem: Ragley 50mm - New, It seems to be the right length
Brakes & Rotors: Shimano Deore (older reservoir version)  F - 180mm, R - 160mm - From my old bike
Grips: ODI waffle (old) - Switching up to PNW loam grips once they arrive
Cables: Jagwire - Also used the Jagwire foam in the downtube to keep the cables and brake hose from rattling
Wrap: Ride Wrap Covered - Help protect the frame from scratches along with some mastic tape in a couple of spots

Final thoughts, I'm pleased with Lexon Riot.  I've always done my own bike maintenance, but building a bike from the ground up was quite an experience and took a lot of patience.  The challenging part was using some old bike parts for the build and figuring out how to make them fit the latest standards.  Also, be prepared to buy the necessary tools if you don't already own them: torque wrench, headset press, brake line cable cutter and barb driver are the tools that I purchased during the build.  I'm going to need to get a bearing press sometime as well for future maintenance.

I have named my bike...The Rocket!

Many thanks to this site and those who contribute, I don't think I could have researched, purchased and built a mountain bike without Chinertown.com.


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The Tideace FM-XC181, which is the frame I think you are asking about, is definitely more XC with it's not so slack head tube angle at 69.7.  IMO it would not be considered "Downcountry" by today's standards. To that point and as a comparison, the Santa Cruz Blur TR CC with its 67.1 HTA was one of the steepest HTA bikes in the Pinkbike downcountry field test. I believe the XC181 has been around for several years now, which could be the reason for the special offer. I can't speak to the quality of the frame or how it rides, but I'm sure if you search here you will find more info covering that.  It comes down to what you will be riding, do you plan on racing, do you prioritize climbing efficiency over bombing downhills, are you looking to be more aggressive and more confident on the downhills...I was kind of lucky when trying to decide what I wanted in my next bike, after 7 years of riding my XC HT, I got to borrow a Kona Honzo for several months.  While the Honzo was a blast bombing downhills I missed the agility and climbing ability of an XC bike. The Honzo was a workout climbing and didn't pair well with the trails or type of riding I enjoy the most.  Plus I race a few times a year, I won't be on the podium any time soon (middle of the pack CAT 2), but I wanted a bike that I could feel was at least somewhat competitive on race day which is why I went with the Lexon Riot.  The Lexon is more XC than Downcountry with its 68 degree HTA, but it should get the job done for the type of riding I enjoy the most.

Here's the link to the Pinkbike Downcountry Field Test...BTW Mike Levy from Pinkbike, coined the term "downcountry" a few years ago.

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/video-welcome-to-the-2021-fall-field-test-trail-and-downcountry-bikes.html

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The new XC geometry (long, low and slack) has turned into a new category of bikes called "Downcountry" so much so that the big manufacturers are creating two models of their XC bikes - a more traditional race oriented bike and the slacker, more travel Downcountry bike.   Pinkbike just released a video series on YouTube covering "Downcountry Bikes" from Scott, Trek, Specialized, Santa Cruz, etc. It is worth watching to get an understanding of how the new Downcountry style of bike impacts performance - good and bad.  FWW I recently purchased the Lexon Riot frame and I'm in the final stages of the build to replace my 2014 Specialized Crave hard tail.  I too was looking for a full suspension bike, but one that I could push a little harder on the downhills without losing too much climbing efficiency.  While I haven't had it out yet on the trails, I am happy with the frame quality. 

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