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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Systemsix frame
« on: November 05, 2023, 01:16:03 AM »
The frame has been ordered:

"The current lead times for new production are about three months, I will keep you posted then."

Did you get an Update yet? Or are you just quietly waiting until 3 months have passed? :D

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Looks great, thanks a lot for the helpful info and the measurements, raisinberry777!  8)

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A short review of these 'The One' style handlebars from Kocevlo:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004973884034.html

Bought in 380*100mm to fit a 2023 Merida Scultura (FSA ACR). One-piece bar and stem was a good opportunity to replace the heavy separate FSA stem and Merida branded handlebar that came with the bike. I bought this particular bar as it seemed to be compatible with the FSA ACR system.

Pros:
- Weight: 330g for 380x100mm - up there with some of the seriously lightweight options.
- Stiffness: I'm a lightweight climber-type build (67kg, 900w peak power) so I'm not really stretching these things to the limit, but there's no incredibly obvious deflection when I sprint out the saddle.
- Shape: Excellent modern compact style handlebar shape.
- Price: 100USD including integrated Garmin mount kit (which seems nicely made)
- Minimalist looks: only one sticker, and easy to remove by fingers

Cons:
- Routing: I didn't do this myself but my mechanic said that the bars had quite sharp edges inside that made routing the hoses particularly difficult. This was brake hoses only as it was a 12sp Shimano Di2 build.
- Shifter clamp: Shifter clamp area was undersized and clamp needed to be shimmed.
- Headset compression: my mechanic said he had to modify the bottom transition spacer as the Scultura top headset bearing sits fairly deep inside the tube - without modification it wasn't making sufficient contact to set the preload properly.

For the price, seems good, but be aware of the potential issues.

Sounds great, i am also thinking about getting those bars!
You mentioned that a sticker is easily removed. Are you talking about that white "Kocevlo" branding? that was actually holding me off from placing an order since I always read "Cock-Velo" :D
So great news, if that can be removed without residues.

And are the measurements true to size in your opinion? E.g. Hood/Drops width, reach, stem length, angle? I read a lot of contradicting statements regarding that barstem (from different manufacturers)

Thanks!

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The 177 does not fit 32s comfortably. Look at the thread about the 177 or PatLinos videos. However, the 168 has a bit more clearance, which he explained in his unboxing video, i guess. (https://youtu.be/nksJX4KVleQ?si=RFvANOcuPCLEmx4F)


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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Hygge Aero Carbon Frame
« on: October 15, 2023, 01:48:49 AM »

- The handlebar is just one of the cheap generic ones from aliexpress. It feels extremely flexy, I'm not sure I trust this one.
You can often find it branded as Kocevlo, but there are many other brandings too:
https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/1005006028345937.html
Strangely, their website shows a completely different cockpit and headset assembly:
https://hygge-bikes.com/products/high-performance-integrated-road-handlebar


I am confused by your statement about the cockpit being flexible.
People write a fair amount of positive feedback on the "the one pro", kecevlo, etc. handlebars which are all the same as the one you got.

Maybe the Lack of siffness correlates with your headset Player issue and your high spacer stack.


Do the others have some additional feedback on the handlebars? I am thinking about getting a set.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame
« on: October 13, 2023, 12:58:50 AM »
Beautiful build and paint scheme. Congrats. Small question , what is happening with the seatpost dustcover? Seems to overhang to the back? Not being picky, just trying to figure out what to expect on my own build. Thanks.

That overhang is normal on the velobuild cover.
I also thought about trimming it, but i am not sure if it will look better.

Maybe i will getw the specialized grommet, that seems to be better!

But its nice that they include a seatpost grommet now!

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: All round racer
« on: October 06, 2023, 08:32:32 AM »
Both Colnago and the Look bikes the OP showed as example have far less aggressive geometry than 017. That frame in general would be unrideable for people under 175cm or so because of its insane 390mm reach even with the lowest eize. Size 51 (equal to average M size frame) has shorter reach than 017 frame in size 49, which is equivalent to size XS  :)  :)

Great Insights, thats why i love this forum!

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Model A (under stem mount) snapped in half after about 150km of riding. Made my Garmin 1040 flying! Great product otherwise. Bell works nice and I like the location of the light mount being tucked behind. Really wish there was a proper version of this product.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005179544887.html

Well, the proper Version is the original Hidemybell mount.

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What about that frame:
https://www.yishunbike.com/product/r068-dperformance-road// in Size 56


The 068 looks like it could match your needs. https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=64e1237c909fa3001af0d10d,64f1dcc50f4eac001a44ba89,

Compared to the endurace in size M, its a bit longer and lower, so a bit more racey, but its not a full-on race position.

However, its hard to recommend a Bike fit based on measurements, it also depends on your flexibility ans preferences.
I'd recommend to compare with your gravel bike and see if you could tolerate going longer/lower or if you need a relaxed position.

Greetings from Germany! i hope you got a great deal on your Votec, so it doesnt hurt that you bought the wrong size! :)

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I'm new here and wanted to ask if there are frames from Yishun, Velobuild, etc. that are comparable to the Canyon Ultimate CF SL or the new Canyon Endurace CFR?


Hey, just a heads up: the ultimate and Endurace have a vastly different geometry... you probably should not mention them in the same sentence ;)

From the back of my head, the Velobuild 066 (old external and new interally routed Version) is inspired by the Canyon Endurace, geometry-wise and look-wise. But i didn't compare the geometry charts.
https://www.velobuild.com/products/2023-vb-r-066-carbon-fiber-endurance-road-racing-bike-frame-disc-version

Based on your height and inseam, i wouldnt say your dimensions are that difficult to work with - no super long or short legs.

Best is to compare the frame geometrys of your existing bike, e.g via bike-insights.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Hygge Aero Carbon Frame
« on: September 20, 2023, 05:18:05 AM »
I just looked at the review on YT and there is no comment like what you said... Could it already be removed?

It was commented under this post:
https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugkxr7VrOqzmj1AUAf-x3SFbZXlMgZYMVGU_

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame
« on: September 19, 2023, 03:15:51 PM »
First broken one?

Oh damn, how did that happen? Already contacted Chris? what did he say?

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame
« on: September 19, 2023, 03:17:06 AM »
I may also be interested in a Zero-offset seatpost, especially if they manage to bring the weight down...

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame
« on: September 16, 2023, 06:21:01 AM »
nice built, and nice color. do you have a link for the sl8 compression ring?

You have to contact your specialized dealer, they will help you out. Part number is S222500011.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame
« on: September 15, 2023, 08:02:09 AM »
Hey guys, I finished my build last week. Wanted to share my experience with you and say thanks for all the insights!

I went with a 168 frameset, custom painted in size 54. The ordering process was fine, Chris was responsive and answered all/most of my questions. Settling on the color for the paintjob was not straightforward however, as I wanted a special color for which I had a pantone code (metallic color as per pantone code). He always said that they can do the color, but “not metallic” which was quite confusing since the color code was referring to a metallic color.
So after a bit of back and forth, we decided to try a candy-blue paintjob (transparent blue over metallic silver base). After a week, he sent pictures of the painted frame and said that they will paint another one as it wasn’t metallic enough (without even asking me if I was happy with the paintjob). So another week later, I had two “versions” of the paintjob to choose from, and I chose the second one.
The paintjob turned out way better than expected, they did a really good job!

I received the frame via DHL to my door (Germany), with XDB shipping and no additional duties within 10 days after it got shipped.

Frame quality was good. The inside of the fork had a few loose glassfiber-bits inside, maybe the reaming wasn’t perfectly done. I removed most of them, but the steerer tube was a bit to tight for the Deda 70 compression plug, so I sanded down the lower part of the compression plug a tiny bit.

As for the compression ring, I went with the SL8 one that I got from Specialized for 5€. As the SL8 uses a Headset Bearing with an ID that is 0.5mm larger than the VB, I had to modify the compression ring by sanding (no issue since its made from plastic).
To ensure enough clearance between the frame and the lowest headset spacer, I had to use 5 FSA microspacers that I cut to allow for internal cable routing. I also bent the lowest microspacer to prevent the sharp edges of the cut spacers from damaging the brake hoses. (as seen in the pictures)
Headset is free of any play.
I used the separate bar/stem combo, but 3D-printed a topcap that allows to run spacers above the stem to validate the position before cutting the steerer (too) short.
Routing the brake hoses (no shifter cables, as I run semi-wireless Di2) trough the bars was tough and required some sanding to remove the sharp edges on the exit holes in the handlebar. (I have tons of respect to you guys who manage to route 4 cables trough those handlebars, lol. Seems impossible from my perspective)

Building the bike was straightforward. BB was properly sized (a tiny bit undersized, but the Token Ninja BB pressed/threaded in fine).

As for the seatpost, I originally planned to replace the aluminium hardware with carbon parts from an old Elita One seatpost. However, they did not fit (and were only marginally lighter anyways). Has anyone found good replacement hardware to shave a few grams of that seatpost?
However, I had no issue with a slipping seatpost (used carbon paste) so far.

Regarding the weights:
•   Frame (without any hardware, Size 54, painted in “candy blue”): 1025g (photo shows frame with hardware and axle)
•   FD Hanger with screws: 15g
•   RD Hanger with screws: 17g
•   Uncut Fork incl. separate crown race: 428g (cut to about 402g, with a few cm left to be cut)
•   Stem 100mm (without Topcap): 193g
•   Handlebar 400mm: 270 g (quite a bit heavier than expected)
•   Headset spacers (all, without c-ring):77g
•   SL8 C-Ring: 5g
•   Seatpost: 240g
•   Seatpost grommet: 2,4g
•   Seatpost wedge: 24g
•   Front Axle: 37g
•   Rear Axle: 45g
•   Headset bearings: 62g

The whole build with complete Ultegra Di2 R8100 came out at 7,78 kg without pedals or 8,19kg with Pedals, Bottle cages, computer mount.
Once I dialed in my fit (coming from an endurance frame that was already slammed, I will slowly lower my position), I will probably shave a few hundred gramms by switching to a lighter cockpit, saddle… Also thinking about a lighter wheelset (currently at 1635g for the pair).

Complete price was also quite competitive I guess, as I paid less than 2800 euros for the whole setup with frameset, groupset, wheels, tires, small bits etc (without pedals & cages), including shipping and taxes. (all bought new, so no second hand prices).

Bike rides really well without any issues, but I have to get some more kilometers in! Definitely happy with my build so far!

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