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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Elves Falath EVO 2023
« on: November 28, 2023, 10:01:17 AM »
If Elves was giving me a free frame, I'd LARP the $hit out of it on this forum and make all you suckers buy one! Lol

I find the blow back on that frame amusing. I mean, this is a forum for cheap carbon frames and components. If one was truly serious about their cycling, why not buy a name brand frameset and/or bike build? If you can't afford one, well go back to school and get a better paying career! Haha

I’m a semi-serious amateur racer on a budget. Ironically in grad school—I’m just trying to race while I’m still fairly young—I’ll be making the big bucks soon! I built up my Seka at the height of price inflation last year. I did an extensive price analysis speccing different builds in a spreadsheet, and the Seka came out on top as the best value. A big factor was the handlebar spec, racing wheels, and power meter. Once you priced those in, similar spec western builds were 2x the price. I did a similar price analysis for my lightcarbon CX bike and came to similar conclusions. I really push back on the idea that Chiner bikes are unserious. There’s a lot of geeks on a budget in this sport. If you are knowledgeable about bikes and mechanics, there’s serious savings on seriously good bike parts to be had in this space.

Now that the market has rapidly cooled, the value proposition of Chiner builds are definitely going down. I think a lower spec Supersix Evo 4 approaches the weight and price of my Seka build. If anything, the market adjustment underscores the importance of comparing premium-price Chiner frames (like the Elves Falath Evo) against western counterparts, because the savings are potentially slimmer than ever.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Elves Falath EVO 2023
« on: November 21, 2023, 01:23:51 PM »
I don't see what makes the Evo non aero or a aero larp because it's cheap. 
I think people have complaints about various things but no one has said it's slow aerodynamically. Cam Nichols had it as his fastest bike in a descent he tests aero on, and he wasn't too keen on it overall.

My thesis statement on the Elves Evo's aerodynamics is that it's a bike designed and marketed as a full-on aero road bike but if you closely examine the design itself, it seems to ignore many important principles of aerodynamics and other important considerations, and does so in such a way that prioritizes the aesthetics of aerodynamics over things that actually make it aerodynamic. This is why I call it a LARP: it's trying very hard to play the part, without substantively doing so. This "aero aesthetic" compromises other important qualities, specifically comfort, stiffness-to-weight ratio, and ease of manufacture. If an aero bike is designed carelessly like the Evo appears to have been, then all this added weight and complexity is squandered as you'll find other substantially lighter and more comfortable bikes that are just as, if not more aero.

You see western brands making this point. We have bikes like the Cannondale Supersix Evo 4 and the Tarmac SL8, which are "all-round" frames that compromise the aero aesthetic, but nonetheless are just as (if not more) aero than the full-aero frames produced by the same brand (see Tour Magazin tests thread on WW). To me this is a clear signal that the most substantial aero gains are to be made not in deep section tubes, but instead through careful implementation of aero design focused on surfaces that meet clean air. I'll get into what these features are in the next paragraph, but I'll make the point now that I doubt the Elves Falath Evo is substantially more aero than it's predecessor, or competing frames like the ICAN A22, Seka exceed, Blize, etc.

Really I have 4 big criticisms of the Elves Evo design: rectangular tube profiles, headtube and fork junction with huge cross-sectional area and bad design, enormous gaps between tires and the frame cutout, and no bottle fairing.

Rectangular tube profiles: I don't really need to explain myself here. It's objectively not as optimal as tubes with round leading edges.

Headtube: arguably it's the most important part for aerodynamics. Everyone else is working to make the headtube as narrow and aerofoil-shaped as possible. The Cannondale Supersix Evo 4 is a great example. Much ink was spilled over the specialized speed sniffer. We've known the headtube is important since forever ago, just look at the Specialized shiv from 09, which had a big nosecone strapped to it. In contrast the Evo has the widest headtube I've ever seen. Oversize bearings and no effort to taper the headtube between them. The headtube cross section is short and distinctly not-aerofoil-shaped. AND the fork crown is crazy thick.

Cutouts: cutouts work great, but they only work if the gap is minimized. Bikes that aren't trying to optimize the cutout simply don't have a substantial one (see the latest Specialized Shiv). On the other hand, the Evo pretends to have fully-faired wheel cutouts, but then in a bid to get 32mm of clearance, spoils the party with enormous spaces between the wheels and frame. This obviates the cutout entirely. It would probably be just as aero to have little to no cutout at all in this case. But the Evo has them, because the Evo is committed to the bit and needs to look like an aero bike.

Bottles: We all ride with bottles. Bike manufacturers have finally caught on to this and started fairing the bottle with the downtube instead of mounting the bottle on the trailing edge of an aerofoil like they used to, which totally spoils any aerodynamic benefit you'd get from the tube section. Elves seems to have not gotten this memo.

Now, this is just me and my eyes looking at the frame. I'm sure it's more aero than other frames. I am definitely sure many frames are more aero than the Evo. And most of all, I do not think the Evo is a good bang-for-buck in terms of aero performance for the weight and money it costs.

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Component Deals & Selection / Avian Falcon
« on: November 17, 2023, 10:45:42 AM »
Considering snapping up a pair on AliEx in the last hours of the sale. Any testimonials here?

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Cyclocross Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: True CX frame (not gravel)
« on: November 16, 2023, 10:57:14 AM »
Saw TONS of the GR029/FE806 frames in the New England CX circuit this fall. All the SmartCycle and some of the NE Devo guys are on them. All seem to be quite happy with them.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Elves Falath EVO 2023
« on: November 16, 2023, 10:51:55 AM »
Hambini got this frame a review



Despite Hambini’s gripes about “other” YouTubers, Cam Nichols’s review had similar conclusions. His “carbon expert” guy had similar remarks about the Evo’s carbon quality—its shit.

What I’m really surprised is that nobody (including Hambini) is reaming the Evo for its horrendous aerodynamic properties. Rectangular tube profiles and the fattest headtube in the game. It’s so clearly a LARP of an aero bike.

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Component Deals & Selection / Re: Chinese cycling clothes
« on: November 16, 2023, 10:44:19 AM »
Another update on the skinsuit hunt: anyone here tried KIAE? These look like properly expensive suits unfortunately, but seem to have the latest-and-greatest aero tech + premium EI pads.

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Component Deals & Selection / Re: Chinese cycling clothes
« on: November 16, 2023, 10:43:04 AM »

Has anyone ever tried sewing the back of a cycling jersey onto a short?
Not as aero as a suit, but easier to have a good top/bottom fit, and keep the jersey in place.

For me this is the worst of all worlds. The main reasons I buy skinsuits is the cost savings and the aero benefit. But I suppose if your main concern is preventing the jersey from riding up, I don’t see why not!

I also think any attempt of mine to competently sew shorts to a jersey would be a catastrophe  ;D

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Component Deals & Selection / Re: Chinese cycling clothes
« on: November 15, 2023, 06:54:42 AM »
Okay so now that I’ve done some digging and research, I’ve come upon Switfoto, which sells skinsuits and speed suits with an “Italy MITI” chamois…not really sure where it’s actually from but I trust it’s not trash. Suit has good reviews and aero sleeves, which is what I really want.
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mrZfCpW

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Component Deals & Selection / Re: Magene P505 PES Base Spider Powermeter
« on: November 14, 2023, 04:10:15 PM »
Looking at one of these myself for my gravel bike. Anything to keep in mind if setting it up 1x? Any recommendations on good Ali chainrings to pair it with?

I have a 36t deckas chainring on my CX rig. It's fine, it's the cheapest narrow-wide chainring I could find for 36t. No real complaints here!

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Has anyone tried these Goldix XDR road cassettes? I'm not so concerned about the 10t cog, I like how the cog sizes are spread out differently for cadence purposes. Now only if I had an XDR freehub on my wheels...

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805760761211.html?


I've got one, I'm running a 10-36t with Sram Force AXS RD (rated for 33t max ;D) on my cyclocross bike. It's been flawless. Super light, installed easily, shifts just fine.

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Component Deals & Selection / Re: 1st time builder - frame checks
« on: November 14, 2023, 11:44:24 AM »
callipers won't be accurate enough to tell if it's out of spec unless it's out by a few football fields

Many such cases, unfortunately.

Nothing to lose with using a caliper to screen for these worst-case scenarios. I myself used a caliper to assess my lightcarbon frame, and it helped me decide to apply some sandpaper to the cups just so I could get a BB in, since the cups on my frame were undersized by as much as 0.5mm

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Component Deals & Selection / Re: Chinese cycling clothes
« on: November 14, 2023, 11:08:00 AM »
Anyone got recommendations on a one-piece skinsuit (preferably with pockets)? Looking to find a 'racesuit' type outfit but it seems like there's not much choice from the high quality brands on AliExpress.

As a fellow skinsuit-enjoyer, I've also been looking for one. Here's what my searches have come up with:

-VV Designs/VV Sportswear: Reviews show pockets. Reviews also show the fabric doesn't have aero-ribbing like the photos do

- Spelispos: Aero ribs and pockets--bingo! Except the "real" photos show the shorts have a seam, not that seamless compression band. Bummer. It's a long sleeve, but I have good experience just chopping the sleves in the past to make a SS.

-Velotec: These seem to be the nicest quality, but they also have no reviews. The long-sleeve models have a SINGLE pocket. The open-front-zip model seems to have two pockets. I'm also extremely confused by pricing, the Velotec website doesn't look like a "western" company, but the prices are 10x what they are on AliEx.

Lastly--anyone have experience with these "9D" or "20D" pads they put in these? It seems that across all the companies, you get a "9D" or "20D" pad, I'd love to hear some testimonials on what they're like.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Lexon Road frames
« on: October 23, 2023, 08:46:05 PM »
There's several threads here already, but the gist is that most people here don't like Lexon.

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Sales & Classifieds / Re: SPARE PARTS: LTWOO R9 11s Hydraulic Carbon
« on: October 20, 2023, 09:09:08 AM »
DM me if you’re interested in making an offer! Still haven’t gotten around to uploading pictures but will do so soon.

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Good:
- Sportspy aero socks. Aero socks are already the best drag saved per $ item, but you can get 90% of what R28 sells from sportspy for less than 1/2 the price
- Ridenow TPU, in the 19g guise
- XCADEY crankset with spider mounted powermeter
- various carbon handlebars: integrated, drop, MTB, you name it, I've pretty much never ordered a terrible handlebar on aliex
- various carbon seatposts
- knockoff sunglasses of all kinds
- Ardunel Mandible knockoff bottle cages. Most recently bought a pair from Yao Bin, they're dec
- CCN light overshoes: if your shoe size is small enough, I quite like these
- 1-piece SROAD CNC steel cassettes (SRAM x-dome knockoff). I know a lot of people shit on these, but I frankly find them to be fine and exceptionally light for the price. I've bought 4 so far I've had examples in 10, 11, and 12s. All perform great.

Mid:
- LTWOO hydraulic groupset: pretty alright performance but shifter broke over a pothole

Bad:

- Magene QED P325 powermeter crankset with integrated chainring: chainring is soft and gets out of true. Expensive. Magene has been terrible to work with on this for warranty, I'm basically screwed. The crankset isn't compatible with any other chainrings. Power meter isn't exactly accurate. Crank arm+power meter design is pretty un-aero since the strain gauge units protrude a lot.

- ZRace direct mount brake calipers: they suck. Not well manufactured. Leaky. Don't bleed well. Wide/bulky, which makes them un-aero.




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