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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: ICAN TT017 TT Bike Build
« on: May 22, 2025, 01:26:39 AM »
Quote from: Aradell on May 20, 2025, 04:23:47 AM
Just the same baseplate that you would have to modify yourself.
But yeah, the price for the frameset is actually really good. However, 120USD for a extra steel plate is crazy.
Does the 120USD include shipping?
I'm going to try and adapt an old plate I have. If it doesn't work I may buy one but the price is hard to accept. Once I get my new bars I will post some pictures if it works.

One thing i have noticed is the 45mm long torx head screw they supply with the plate, reaches the end of the thread in the riser. So I cant tighten one screw up fully when using the angle piece riser. I have replaced these with hex head screws at the right length so I don't need to carry a torx tool. I have told ICAN about this issue.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: ICAN TT017 TT Bike Build
« on: April 29, 2025, 08:56:36 PM »
Quote from: Aradell on April 29, 2025, 06:53:16 AM
I've been looking at your pictures, and the technical drawings a bit. These are just my thoughts.

In the current configuration, all the load is transferred both via the bolts (the bolts work mostly in tension), as well as via the spacer stack (these are under compression).
This mechanism or load transfer doesn't really change when u put the Winow extensions, or some other extensions instead of the ski poles. Most of the load is on your elbows and go through the plate either way.

If you were to change the extension and use the existing base plate. Then you are stuck with a base plate that has the interface/holes for the ski pole extensions.
What material is this base plate? Aluminium? Or steel? Depending on the material, you could grind off the fittings for the ski poles. If the plate is steel, I'm 99% certain this would be fine and still strong enough. Not so sure about aluminium.

Manufacturing a new plate would also be an option, but pretty hard. Since, like you said, it would need the same male/female interface to interact correctly with the spacer stack. And the holes for the bolts also need the right chamfer/radius on the top, so that you can use the different angle spacers for the base plate.

I would reach out to ICAN to purchase a extra base plate (part 22 on the drawings) and modify it as best as you can. But this would obviously depend on the price for this part.

The plate is made of steel. You can and would need to cut off the fitting for the steel pole to fit the Winow bars. I borrowed a set from a friend and the pole fittings clash with the bars unless you raise the angle with the Winow angle spacer.
I don't see this as a problem and I'm sure it would not affect the strength.

Yes, a new plate would need to have the right chamfer angle if you use the angled riser pieces. I was planning on using a plate without the angled riser and fit angle pieces to the new bars and plate to avoid this.

Ask ICAN for a cost of an additional plate or ask them if they can modify it. The more people that ask they may listen and change the design. I have asked and they said they would not change the design. I also told them after I built the bike as part of some feedback that this is the major drawback for this bike as its very common for people to fit alternative areo bars to TT bikes.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: ICAN TT017 TT Bike Build
« on: April 29, 2025, 03:21:32 AM »
Quote from: Aradell on April 29, 2025, 02:34:27 AM
Would it be possible to add different extensions to this handlebar? Like the Winow ones?

I saw in your other post that de plate (from mono riser to the extensions) is specific to the round extension poles?
Could you manufacture a new plate, or adapt the existing plate to use different extensions?

Thanks!
I'm in the process of fixing a new plate to accept Winow or others. Just looking at my options before I buy a set.
The issue is the riser has a male/female interface that provides the strength. You could fix a new plate by the two 6mm screws but these will take the full force when turning and moving the bars. Probably OK but if the plate was routered/machined like the proprietary one it would be much better
 
I could cut off the round pole clamps on the current plate but I would rather replace the plate if I can and keep that as original for future if needed.

I have told ICAN that this is a drawback for this bike. I suggested they look at this and maybe offer a universal plate for people to add their own aero bars.

Once I fit the bars I will post more details

After this the final addition I would like to make is some sort of storage box, either near the bottom bracket or off the seatpost. Most likely custom 3D printed

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: ICAN TT017 TT Bike Build
« on: April 14, 2025, 07:01:30 AM »
Quote from: Rapac on April 14, 2025, 03:39:20 AM
Same mold but around 400/500g difference for the frame

Is that for the same frame size and like for like? If so I wonder how they get the weight down if it’s the same mould. It’s 1/3 of the weight.

I should have weighed mine before I put it together.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: ICAN TT017 TT Bike Build
« on: April 13, 2025, 10:16:18 PM »
Quote from: mtm on April 11, 2025, 04:39:10 PM
Stumbled upon this:

https://en.quick-bikes.com.cn/product/31.html

Looks familiar :)
Certainly does :D

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: ICAN TT017 TT Bike Build
« on: April 07, 2025, 09:38:11 PM »
Assembly drawing and Handlebar drawing attached for more info on how it goes together.

My next task is to add some storage to this bike. I will have a BTA (between the arms) bottle holder on the front end either 1 or 2 bottles if I can find something and use a holder behind the seat.
In the V at the bottom bracket I was looking to find something that fits to use as a storage box or get one 3d printed. Better still would be one that attached to the seat post and seat post down tube. Im not sure if there are any out there that fits or if I can get one 3D printed.
I will see what my chances are of a CAD drawing from ICAN.

I have edited my post above about no Torque settings. ICAN have now supplied a drawing with this info.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: ICAN TT017 TT Bike Build
« on: April 06, 2025, 07:55:52 PM »
So the bike has now been assembled. I still need to adjust it to suit me but its pretty close at the moment.
The adjustment on the seat seems to be quite far back. I like the end of my seat in line with the crank and this is right at the end of adjustment. My other Cervelo P3 and Giant Trinity were much further forward. Maybe a different seat could give more adjustment. The set clamp looks to be identical to the Cervelo P3 clamp

The plate at the top of the riser looks proprietary. I have had a quick look for the riser/spacers but cant find anything even on ICAN's website and AliExpress. If you want to add different aero bars you will either need to use the existing plate or try to make one that fits.
The risers have like a male and female end that interlock with the base bar and the top plate or angle riser. This gives them stability and is very solid which you want for the riser and aero bars.

All cables are routed in the riser and down through the stem inside the bearings.

I had to cut the fork stem when assembling the bike. Next time I would ask ICAN to do this, there is no reason why they cant as you don't adjust the bar height, its in line with the top tube.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: ICAN TT017 TT Bike Build
« on: April 06, 2025, 07:02:00 PM »
Quote from: klindsey00 on April 05, 2025, 06:43:27 PM
how is the clearance between the seat tube and the rear tire as well as the chain stays near the BB?
Looks like there is 10mm or more each side. This is with 25mm tyres

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: ICAN TT017 TT Bike Build
« on: April 05, 2025, 06:40:47 PM »
Quote from: Serge_K on April 04, 2025, 04:26:35 AM
Thanks for sharing! I spoke with Crystal as soon as this beauty came out last year. Very nice to see a real one! I like that it looks a bit like the latest SHIV, meaning less beefy than many of its peers, yet, I assume, just / nearly as fast? And ofc, the 32C clearance.

So, 900 frame, let's say half of the shipping & custom fees for the frame, 465/2 + 422AUD/2, 900 + 465/2 + 274/2 = 1270 USD. I suspect / assume that for Europe, that'd be 900+175 using DDP/DPD, or USD 1075. Does Australia have tariffs? For the EU, a frame costs c. USD 130 to ship these days, and they take care of clearing customs. A TT frame weighs more, so I assume 175 instead of 130 (and it should be less), as it's pretty much charged per kilo.

What tyre width are you using / planning to use? if you put on big tyres, i'd be curious to see photos of tyre clearance.

The big question is around the extensions / plate, then. Is the mono block riser thing standard in the industry? Like is it typical to get a plate & skis from a 3rd party, when you get skis from a 3rd party, or is there an assumption that new skis somehow interface with the existing front end of the bike because there's something standard?
For comfort, i'd probably want to use skis that are more shaped, so i can rest my forearms on the skis, rather than having old school poles like you have here. But is there a standard fitting for these things?
And does ICAN offer options with the front end, or is the version you got the only one?
How wide is the base bar? I dont understand why base bars arent 36cm by default, if not 34. Last time i checked, 36cm base bars didn't exist, which i find shocking.

Hey Serge, I will answer your questions a post some more info later.

I was speaking to Sherry from ICAN whose title is Sales Manager.
Cost for shipping the frame via UPS was US$165 and US$149 per wheel. I then had to pay AU$422 in Tarif tax which is 10% GST for us. UPS contacted me when it arrived in Aus to pay and get it cleared from customs. Everything else was covered by the delivery fee
Delivery was quick, around a week.

I have 25mm tyres on at the moment as these are from another bike. I think I will stick with these for now but may go bigger when they need changing. Some pictures are attached. I will show a better one if the clearance near the bottom bracket later.

The front end is what I like and don’t like on this. The way the top tube and head set/stem are in line like most of the top TT bikes and the mono riser is what I like. ICAN refused to make any changes to the front for me and said it was a standard which is fair enough.
There are so many 3rd party adapters and kits out there but I haven’t seen anything yet. The risers may be a standard size and common part, if so there could be flat plates available to purchase. I will cut the plate to remove the pole connectors and fit something better and with some additional angle. The way the cable is routed in the plate is good and nice and clean with no cables showing.
The base bar is what they call 40cm which is centre to centre or 42cm from outside to outside. As far as I know there is no alternative but I didn’t ask the question.
To be honest I have never thought about the width but I suppose it’s not needed and is extra weight and drag I guess.

Some other things I have noted whilst building is the use of Torx head bolts on the riser. I’m not sure why they used this but it just means you need 2 more tools with the Torx sizes in your kit.
Also the frame is designed for 140mm rotors so you would need the adapter on the rear calliper if using 160mm. This is probably standard but something I didn’t consider and had to buy.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / ICAN TT017 TT Bike Build
« on: April 03, 2025, 08:56:20 PM »
I thought I would post my bike build for this bike to share my experience and views on this bike and my build. Im in the progress of assembling the bike and will post ongoing updates.

The bike is the new TT model from ICAN. I went for this frame mainly because of the front end with integrated handle bars and mono riser. The reviews I found on ICAN seemed to indicate they were some of the better manufacturers from China.
https://www.icanbikes.com/Products-list/carbon-tt-bike-frame/
I also ordered a disc wheel and 80mm dish front from ICAN
https://www.icanbikes.com/Products-list/lightweight-carbon-tt-bike-wheelset-time-trial-wheelset-86c-25-disc/
https://www.icanframe.com/carbon-disc-tt-bike-track-bike-wheel-dc04

Communicating with ICAN was a bit of a challenge because of the language barrier. Using short to the point questions and few per email seemed to work than multiple long questions.

I chose a gloss black frame and matt finish for the wheels. ICAN sent me a proforma invoice with gloss for the frame and wheels and I asked them to change the wheels back to matt finish and update the order. They made an error and supplied gloss wheels from the original proforma invoice. The wheels look OK in gloss, maybe better

The groupset I'm using will be Shimano Ultegra. I wasn't convinced on the Chinese brands and Shimano is what I know and is easily available locally for me. I also had a Shimano crank to use.

Costs
Item           Cost USD   Cost AUD
Frame           $1200.00    $1,950.00
Disc Wheel    $565.00     $941.67
Front Wheel    $285.00     $475.00
Shipping         $465.00     $775.00
Import Tax                       $422.00
Groupset & BB               $3,200.00
           Build Total AU$    $7,763.67

Negatives
The ski poles/aero bars are connected to the plate on top of the rise. I don't want these and the only way to use the top plate and mount aero bars like the Winow bars would be to cut them off. The top plate interfaces with the riser or angle piece, so to retro fit one you would need to router or machine it to fit.
There was a minor scuff on the fork. This can be polished out but I let ICAN know when I asked for the torque settings. They immediately sent me a picture of the fork prior to packing which didn't show the scuff and said they would not replace it, even though I didn't ask them to as it was minor. The bike and wheels were really well packed so I don't know where the mark came from. My advise is to film yourself opening the boxes and inspecting the goods as it would be hard to prove if there was damage.

Positives
Carbon looks good. I'm no expert but to me it looks well made
Pricing was good compared to others. If you are in the US it may not be with Trumps new tariffs
Frame design was good for me. It also accepts 32mm wide tyres
The option of custom paint is appealing. I wish I went for the cracked ice paint although the black does look good. Not sure how much extra the custom paint is.

Summary
I'm happy with the purchase so far. You need to accept that after sales service is going to be difficult or non existent, unlike major brand. I'm guessing this will be for most China bikes. Parts may be an issue to get hold of in the future.

I will post more as I get into the build

Edit: Pricing fixed to match correct costs. I originally asked for pricing on the TT016 and TT017 and was planning on buying more from ICAN. The nice lady Sherry at ICAN gave me a discount of USD900 per frame as I have previously bought from ICAN. Sherry reluctantly stood by this after I only purchased one frame.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Looking for a carbon triathlon frame
« on: April 02, 2025, 09:26:12 PM »
Quote from: tg on April 02, 2025, 03:06:54 AM
A bit of news: the TT017 frame isn't just of interest to us, because when I kept asking ican they gave me a brand in Spain that would UCI-certify the frame: MMR bikes, which already equips a Spanish continental team.
On the other hand, a quick search on the Quick pro website turned up the TT one, which in terms of shape is a carbon copy of the TT017, but weighs less. I hope the frame will be homologated for their continental team in Serbia and that Panda podium will sell it.
Also, Triexpress, congratulations on your purchase. We look forward to your full feedback once you've assembled it.
Sorry tg, I was going off topic from the original thread, for me I was only looking for a TT bike for Ironman racing. UCI certified frames from China probably narrows your search even more.

I will start a new thread for my build and post my feedback when I get some time.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Looking for a carbon triathlon frame
« on: April 01, 2025, 09:21:13 AM »
So my ICAN TT017 has arrived. I’m yet to assemble but everything looks ok. I went for plain gloss black but this shows fingerprints and looks like it will be hard to keep clean. I wish I went for the  cracked ice custom paintwork they offer.

The front end and cockpit looks like it could be easily modified to cut off the ski pole aero bars and keep the plate to mount different bars to. I’m not sure if you could replace the complete plate easily as the plate it comes with is recessed to fit the riser grooves. The riser is strong but seems heavy.

I can say this takes 32mm tyres and the width of the frame and forks looks like it does

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Looking for a carbon triathlon frame
« on: March 23, 2025, 08:42:48 PM »
Quote from: Hmpf on March 22, 2025, 05:44:13 AM
The ICAN TT017 frame looks like Shit tt or? https://www.specialized.com/de/de/s-works-shiv-tt-module/p/4221549?color=5441176-4221549
Yeah, the front end looks similar. Not the rear though.
I have been looking at different models to see if there are any matches but it looks like it has similarities of all sorts of bikes.

The way the forks and head set tube flare's out where they meet, and the curve in the frame for the front wheel is similar to the Trek and Orbea. The rear is similar to Canyon Speedmax CFR TT, but not the chainstay, also the Orbea. The Merida Time warp also has similarities
https://www.orbea.com/au-en/bicycles/triathlon/ordu/cat/ordu-m30iltd
https://www.canyon.com/en-au/speedmax-cfr-tt/3484.html
https://www.trekbikes.com/au/en_AU/bikes/road-bikes/triathlon-bikes/speed-concept/speed-concept-slr-9/p/35757/?colorCode=reddark_black
https://www.merida-bikes.com/en/bike/4885/time-warp-tri-limited

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Looking for a carbon triathlon frame
« on: March 18, 2025, 09:30:19 PM »
I have pulled the trigger on the ICAN TT017 with wheels.
Just need to wait for it to turn up and I will report back. I may do a build post if I have time.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Looking for a carbon triathlon frame
« on: March 13, 2025, 12:55:44 AM »
Quote from: cLs_elite on March 12, 2025, 12:18:01 PM
I recently tried to get a quote for the TT017 but ICAN replied to me and said:

Hello
 
We noticed your interest in our TT017 frame, but unfortunately, it is already represented in Germany. Instead, we'd like to introduce you to the TT016—an excellent alternative with many of the same features.
Why Choose TT016?

    High Performance: Same advanced carbon fiber technology as TT017, delivering lightweight and stiffness.
    Versatility: Slightly more adaptable geometry, suitable for Time Trial .

https://www.icanbikes.com/Products-list/carbon-time-trail-frame-tt016/
We're confident the TT016 will be a hit in your need , price is 850USD/set .Including frame , fork ,seat post , TT bar , headsets . 
M size disc brake on stock .
Paint cost 85USD for full one color .

Was a bit confused about this and didnt try to follow up on the TT017 because it sounded pretty clear to me that they dont want to sell it.
Sounds like the TT017 frame is already sold in Germany most likely under another name and probably have an agreement not to compete in that market.
The TT016 looks OK but doesn't have the mono riser. Some may prefer that frame than the TT017. There is a nice picture of the TT016 under reviews on the link they gave you.

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