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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame
« on: November 07, 2021, 02:36:04 PM »
Hi everyone! I've been meaning to give a proper review of my build but I had to fix some issues first. Mainly, my headset was too loose and I ordered an extra spacer (didn't feel like cutting the fork again). It finally arrived and I was able to complete my first proper ride this morning (40km). I'm hoping I'll be able to enjoy it a few more times before it gets too freezing. Anyways, here is the list of parts I used for this build along with a few comments.

Ordering
- Chris from velobuild is not very quick to answer but he's helpful. I used Skype, I heard other people have better experiences by email.
- Elite Wheels take a while to ship since they build the wheels for every order. Ordering is easy and they respond quickly.
- Ordering groupsets on Aliexpress is surprisingly reliable. All parts look legit.

Building the bike
- Installing the press fit bottom bracket was a nightmare. I definitely recommend going to a bike shop for this part.
- The rest of build is fine. The hidden cable routing is honestly not that hard to complete. Just be patient. The cabling in the handlebar is probably the step that'll have you swearing the most.
- Getting the optimal tightness on the headset is not easy. I still have +-1mm of play, not sure if that's normal.
- I managed to fix the slipping post issue with a TON of carbon paste and some hockey tape. It's an annoying problem but it's definitely fixable.

Riding the bike
-My first impression is that this bike is sooo light. My reference is an aluminum Scott Speedster 10. I'm definitely faster with this bike
- The semi-hydraulic disc brakes are honestly garbage. Worse than rim brakes. I read that I needed to use compressionless housing. I might switch to that later down the road and see if it makes a difference. For now my recommendation is too spend an extra 300-600 for proper shimano hydraulic brakes. It is however manageable and you can safely brake.
- The bike feels solid and I hear no creaking or weird sounds.
- The Elite Wheels are LOUD. People are legit startled when I lay off the pedals and let the hub roll. Quite obnoxious but at least people get out of my way.

I'm definitely satisfied overall considering the price I paid. I can see myself building another Chinese carbon bike later down the road. For now I'm gonna take a break from building bikes  ;D

This community is extremely helpful, I can not overstate this. I'm gonna try and give another update once I accomplish some longer rides.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame
« on: September 29, 2021, 11:22:04 AM »
My build is about 90% complete! I'm at the step of cutting the seatpost since it's way too high for me right now. I was wondering if its bad to have the seatpost sit on its maximum depth. Meaning the seatpost is all the way down in the tube. Would it cause damage to the frame over time?

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame
« on: September 26, 2021, 12:01:02 PM »
Just get one of these, it's a BB86 press fit bottom bracket, however the BB shell threads into itself, so works in the same way as a normal threaded BB. Problem solved.
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mLzfSFV


Omg, wish I had known about that before hand

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame
« on: September 25, 2021, 07:34:52 PM »
I finally did it! I was sweating bullets but managed to tighten it correctly. I heard three loud bangs that scared me a little but I believe nothing was damaged

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame
« on: September 25, 2021, 04:55:13 PM »
Ok small update.

I was able to remove one side of the bracket and realign the other side. Gonna try to press the part that I've realigned and then press the other. I'll let you know what happens.

Thank you all for your tips!

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame
« on: September 25, 2021, 11:54:40 AM »
Hi everyone! I was very close to finishing the build today. All was left was the press fit bottom bracket. As I don’t have a tool, I used a bolt, nuts and washers. However, as I was pushing it in, the bracket was misaligned and now it crooked. I do not know how to realign it. Do I need to remove it and try again? If so, how do I remove it without damaging the frame? I heard I need to hit it quite hard and im afraid it might crack the frame.
Thanks!

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame
« on: September 19, 2021, 08:05:55 PM »
Yep! The housing (brake and shifter) run the entire length from shifters to their respective spots.
So, in the frame you will have 3 cables running down the headtube, then down the downtube, and one cable running down the head tube and through the fork

The handlebars gave me a headache as well. That 90 degree bend…

Ok thank you so much! One last question I’m having is whether I need to get the housing out of the front derailleur hole. It seems rather small and I’m wondering if only the cable needs to go through.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame
« on: September 19, 2021, 06:26:43 PM »

Yes, the shifter cable housing is internally routed in the frame.
You may be best served starting with the handlebar routing first, then routing through the headset and frame.

I did it the other way around, which equates to a lot of time faffing around with the handlebars.

Others may have better advice, but using inner cables as a guide worked really well for me

For the front derailleur, I would thread the cable through the shifters and housing once you’ve routed the housing through the handlebars and dry fitted the shifters
Then the inner cable can used as a guide to get the FD housing in position

Ok, thank you! I'm assuming the brake housing goes through as well? I'm having a hard time clamping down the handlebar with all four cable housing coming out of the spacer hole. I'll be trying again soon.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame
« on: September 19, 2021, 12:09:46 PM »
I’ve received my frame and started the build. However, I’m having a lot of trouble with the internal routing. My specific question is whether I have to get the shifter cable housing inside the frame or not?

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That’s great. I’m in Ontario. Did you order through their website or aliexpress? They messaged me to extend shipping time on aliexpress so they can manufacture.

I ordered using Aliexpress. They messaged me the same thing and I extended my order. They sent me a shipping confirmation a few days ago.

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I waited 10 days for the production and then shipping ended up being by DHL to Montreal so I received my wheels in less then 3 weeks,

Wow that's great to know! I'm in Quebec also, hopefully the same happens to me.

Thanks

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Thank you everyone for your insights. I ended up going with the Elite Wheels ENT: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000033583741.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.2f384c4duaWjnh

The production time is said to be around 10 working days and about a month for shipping to Canada. It'll take a while but I believe its the best option for my budget build.

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I'm currently planning a build around a VB-R-168. When it comes to wheels, I've seen a lot of people opt for Elite Wheels, probably because of Trace Velo recommending them on Youtube.

Since I'm focused on reducing the total cost of my build, I currently have my eyes on the Elite Wheels ENT which are the cheapest option.

However, I would like to know if anyone has an opinion on whether the SLT might be worth the extra price. 

I'm also tempted to purchase the wheels from Velobuild since I believe they would arrive much faster than the Elite Wheels and they are only slightly more expensive. I have however no idea how they compare to the Elite Wheels ENT or SLT. I'm also not sure how the different hub choices compare (Novatec vs Powerway).

So I guess my question would be how would these four options compare:

Elite Wheels ENT 60 mm - 370 USD, 30 USD Shipping
Elite Wheels SLT 60 mm - 560 USD, 50 USD Shipping
Velobuild VB-RC-50 Novatec Hub - 360 USD, 100 USD Shipping
Velobuild VB-RC-50 Powerway Hub - 440 USD, 100 USD Shipping

Keep in mind I am shipping to Canada

Cheers, I love this community btw, super helpful and not snobbish!

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