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Can you please clarify the quality rating system that Hambini's spoken about in his past video?  Can customers pay extra to have a top tier quality?
Maybe you can go and have a look at Hanbini's post. Z3/Z7/Z11 is just Hanbini's definition of frame quality. This definition is not given by us. It is a definition given by Hanbini based on his experience after talking and discussing with our supervisor Gavin (fifteen years of experience in carbon fiber frame production and sales) and boss Johny (20 years of experience in frame design and production) at Eurobike 2024.
Hanbini did not say that all our LC frames are Z3 standard. We have also told customers that our frames meet most of his descriptions of Z3 quality: high modulus carbon fiber material, 3D latex inner mold as support technology, testing beyond the conventional EN4210 standard, strict quality management, and good after-sales service. But we never shy away from the fact that our packaging is simple but safe, and there is no paper technical manual.
We had no business dealings with Hanbini. At that time, he needed a good product to make a video, and our frame just happened to appear at that time. It was a wonderful encounter. We just provided him with a frame for free.
Not all relationships need to be supported by money. Hanbini values ​​his reputation more.

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If you're referring to me, i'm not hating on the frame, i'm pointing out that (and please correct me if i'm wrong) there are a lot of users on this forum reporting receiving really bad frames, and that the ratio of bad frames over total frames in this model is order of magnitude higher than any other thread i know of on this forum.
To be fair, I am hating on the shape of the down tube, but that's the Jesse Coyle in me thinking i can see aero :D
We are sorry that this frame did not please you. However, as a manufacturer, we must produce various types of frames to meet different needs.
In the past two years, we have designed 7 aero frames, but none of them have been publicly mass-produced because some old customers learned about the news before the frames were released and bought out their exclusive sales rights, so we cannot sell the new products to others or publish them on the website.
I hope you will like our next public frame.

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any road bike in the pipeline?
Road bike frame will be after Eurobike 2025, The current budget for new product development has been overspent.

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Well you cannot fault JimLee from LC response to this issue!. seems sincere enough!
My faith is now restored!
so JimLee any new frames under developmemt ;-D
A new E-gravel frame, LCE086, has just been released, and the LCFS948 enduro MTB frame has just been improved. both only size M now, more size will be later.
We will have two more gravel frames on the market before the Chinacycle 2025 in May.
Regarding the new frame that everyone wanted to show at the 2024 EuroBike Show, I'm sorry, it and its three sister versions have been bought out by three brands one after another.

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We welcome supervision from buyers and other friends, but I want to say to some people that Han Bini has never sold a frame for us, and we are grateful for his video.
As for the remarks of some other brand's sales colleagues, people in the industry know that we will never slander others for business, we will only do our best to provide good products and services.
Any buyers who have questions about our products can contact your sales staff, or send an email to me: jim@lightcarbon.com

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3. After-sales and quality assurance
In the field of industrial products, 100% pass rate is our pursuit, but we know that this is an unattainable goal, especially since most of the processes of carbon fiber frames are handmade, and defective products are inevitable. This is even big brands will inevitably encounter challenges in the production process and cannot fully guarantee the absolute qualification of each product. Some big brands have more than thousands of frames returned or destroyed for each style every year. Their OEM factories are around our factory, and we know this very well.
However, we are always committed to minimizing the probability of errors through strict quality control processes. The LCR017-D frame has currently shipped more than 8,300 pieces, but our defective rate has always been low.
It’s not terrible if there is a problem, we will solve it. We have excellent after-sales service.
We are very proud of our after-sales service. Whether it is a bicycle brand that purchases in bulk or an individual consumer, we always adhere to the established after-sales policy to provide customers with the most perfect solution possible.
About the recent problem, we did not choose to avoid it. When Wendy received Adam's feedback, we immediately took positive and timely measures to resolve it. This responsible attitude is the key to our winning the trust of more and more partners in the European market over the past decade. We firmly believe that high-quality after-sales service and unremitting pursuit of quality are the cornerstones of our long-term cooperative relationship with you.

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Second, the cause of the cracks
We conducted an in-depth investigation and analysis on the causes of the cracks in the frame. The following is our analysis:
1. The quality of the rough frame is qualified. First of all, it should be clear that the quality of the rough frame is fully in line with the standards at the rough stage. The finished product at this stage has undergone strict quality inspection to ensure the stability and safety of its basic structure.
2. Problems in the custom painting process
However, in the subsequent custom painting process, the key problem that caused the cracks appeared. In order to make the painting uniform and beautiful, the workers need to use sandpaper to manually polish the rough frame so that the paint has better adhesion. In this process, the processing workers of this frame may have overexerted when polishing around the holes, resulting in the destruction of strength.
3. In the quality inspection link after the painting, these weak parts have been covered by paint and the surface has restored thickness, resulting in these weaknesses not being discovered in time.
In summary, the appearance of cracks is mainly due to the excessive polishing force of workers during the custom painting process, which leads to the thinning of carbon yarn around the holes and is covered up in the subsequent quality inspection. We will strengthen training and management on this issue and add a quality inspection after the frame is sanded and before it is painted to ensure that similar problems do not occur again.

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Here some extra pictures.

Update from LightCarbon: They responded requesting more info on the bike. I will let everyone know when I have more updates
Dear all: First of all, please allow me to express my sincerest apologies on behalf of our team. Due to recent busy work, we failed to check the forum in time and missed the timely feedback on this post. We are very grateful to our friend Danis for letting us know about this post in time, and giving us the opportunity to express our apologies and solutions to you.
First of all, let me talk about the results.
Dear Adam, We are deeply sorry for the frame problem you encountered. I believe Wendy has replied to you by email in time. We will send you a brand new frame that has been strictly inspected and fully qualified for free, and will re-spray the same paint as the original one to ensure that your vehicle can be restored to its best condition. We are deeply sorry for the trouble and inconvenience caused to you by this mistake. We promise to do our best to solve your problem and ensure that similar situations will not happen again. Once again, I express my sincerest apologies to you and thank you for your understanding and tolerance. If you have any other questions or need further assistance, please feel free to contact us.

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29er / Re: New Light Carbon LCSF980 XC bike
« on: September 27, 2024, 02:06:48 AM »
 

I found this in the handle bar when trimming to length, dunno what to make of it. The carbon feels like it has no resin on the surface of the interior. I can feel the weave and pick at it. There aren't loose threads but I can feel the texture of the weave. Anyone know if that is normal? Never seen that on handlebars before.  Cross section of the tubing looks very solid.  :o
The best quality is to not see any resin inside the handlebar. The high quality we pursue is that the resin does not leak out at all, but is all inside the carbon fiber layers.
Regarding BB, I'm sorry. The bottom bracket is pre-embedded into the carbon fiber frame. Resin may overflow during high-temperature molding, or one or two threads in the purchased BB are not deep enough (usually we will check before using these aluminum alloy accessories, but they may be missed), resulting in the need to manually deepen the threads again. We will improve quality inspection standards in the future.
In addition, we have added an inspection step. During packaging, workers will use tools to try installation again to confirm that the threads are correct.

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Mass production will take at least two months. We have invested too much cost in the new frame this year. now we are busy for another E-gravel suitable for the M820 motor in testing, so this LCG072-D will be slower!
contact us: jim@lightcarbon.com

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about USD$800/set including shipping cost
now waiting the new fork,
I can not post more photos, check below link
https://photos.app.goo.gl/TgZM8qiz1UeigUyb9

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We recently released an E-gravel carbon fiber frame, the LCE86-D, which was shown at the Frankfurt Bike Show.
The LCE86-D has a maximum tire width of 700C*47C, with micro suspension system.
The frame for the Bafang M820 motor and 360wh battery.

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Again, I totally agree!

They need to understand what went wrong in this or similar cases and improve that part.

QA/QC is a never ending process all the time :). Hope they fix this building issue and all clients issues
Yes, we will improve details such as products and shipping based on customer feedback!

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The area where the crack is, on the top side of the down tube on the inside of the front triangle of the frame.  There's no way that could happen in shipping if the box isn't damaged.
From the video and pictures, it looks more like the outer black paint has come loose during packaging or shipping.
The frame will undergo multiple quality inspections before it is completed, and then it will be painted and the aluminum alloy parts with water bottle screw holes will be installed.
The quality inspection in these last two processes is only an inspection of the surface appearance.
Cracks may come from handling or rough treatment during transportation.

We will improve this based on feedback

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Thanks for everyone's feedback, there is definitely a crack.

I am in contact with Wendy from LC. I will keep you updated with how this goes.
wendy has replied to you,A new frame will be sent to you.


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