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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-218
« on: May 31, 2023, 03:40:17 PM »
Well, if you’re looking for something like this, as in an aero rim brake frame with internal routing and if you’re fine with owning a replica then yes, I can recommend it.
Make sure to read this thread and be prepared for the issues you might have. But I love riding this bike. And I particularly love the geometry and handling as well as the ergonomics of the bars. Also to me this bike represents peak rim brake, the end of an era. Just as Campy 12sp represents peak mechanical groupsets for me. That’s why I wanted to build one. But I would never be able to spend 6grand on a real Dogma F frame nor do I expect this VB frame to perform the same.

It’s just a nice bike to ride. And a fast one at that.
The wheels are fully custom. Built by me. Front hub is an old Roval that I polished. Rear hub is Novatec. Sapim CX Ray spokes. 60mm deep, 30mm wide, 23mm internal. Grooved brake track. About 1450g weight. I sourced the rims from an Aliexpress seller that I’ve had good experience with in the past.

I dont mind replica tbh and internal routing are
the thing that I am most looking for. Been going back and forth between VBR099 as well as this one. The 2nd thing for me is that I am still confused if I should go disc or rims.

I am reading on and off from time to time and I understand that theres is a major issue with the BB. That is a shame that they are using BSA.

Oh are the bars ergonomic? I was actually a bit worry about them. But if they crack in the future, are we locked into VBs handlebar as I understand that they are somewhat propietary or perhaps I just misunderstood it all? :)

That makes sense, for you its entirely another story regarding the meaning of this bike than I do tbh. Thought that it would be fun to build a bike on my own without any experience nor do I own a bike(just borrows my brothers gravelbike all the time).

Oh damn! That is really nice! May I ask which seller? :)



Get these  . Elite Wheels Drive 50V

https://www.elite-wheels.com/product/drive-50mm-rim-brake-carbon-spoke-wheelset-ceramic-bearing/

Check online for discount codes, notably gcperformance on YouTube..... you could save up to $200

I am using the above wheels on the vbr-218 frame & they are exceptionally well made

Also get direct mount brakes per Seb's suggestion earlier & use the correct pads for carbon wheels




Oh they are sure really nice! I was also thinking roughly 50mm.

Alright! Thanks, will note it down :)

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-218
« on: May 31, 2023, 11:53:03 AM »
Unless your old groupset has direct mount rim brakes, you would have to get new ones for this frame.
Is it straightforward? Well it depends on the skills of your mechanic. It is a fully internally routed frame. So installing a fully mechanical groupset on this and routing everything through the headset id obviously a bit of a nightmare job. Also, you will most likely have to drill the rear brake cable exit hole bigger on the top tube as it’s seemingly too small the way the frame is coming out of the mold. So no. it’s not straightforward. ;-)

There’s no issues that I know of with the compression ring on this frame. That would be the 168 and 177, I believe.

I have gone back and forth for a while now and would you still recommend this bike frame? :)
I remember that you also had rim brakes. Which wheelset did you got for that? :)

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-218
« on: May 29, 2023, 04:04:12 AM »
Have anyone bought another handlebar and installed it? I might need a 80mm stem and from what I can see, they only have 90mm.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-218
« on: February 21, 2023, 07:23:27 AM »
So I finished my build last week and I’ve been putting the frame thru its paces.  I’ve had few reservations at the start but it’s turning out to be an impressive machine.  I’ve had zero issues with the BB fitment and the only thing that needed real attention was making the rear brake housing exit bigger, 3D printing a more robust front deraillure cable exit and sanding/dremeling down the BB paint overspray and protruding rivet.

Major parts include: Sensah 12spd, look keo pedals, elite wheels and aliEx EEbrake replicas.   Without the added crap and accessories it came in exactly 7kg (including bottle cages).


One advice I can give to anyone looking to build the frame is keep small files and a dremel handy!
What did you use the small files and the dremel for? :D

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: VBR 218 or VBR 099?
« on: August 02, 2022, 07:55:00 AM »
I mean I prefer an open mold that does not look 100% copied. My personal preference.
By the way, given the nature of the cycling community, it is normal for people to comment on people riding a 100% copied frame. It is up to the rider to care or not to care about the good or bad comments. Ride whatever you want. It is your money. It is your life. You asked for opinions so I shared my thoughts and preference on both frames. In the end it is your choice that matters.

099 frame does not look 100% like the venge even if the geometry chart may be similar. In fact the 099 open mold frame is being rebranded and used by cycling teams.
Example frame with different fork and seatpost here: https://www.dolan-bikes.com/ares/
Teams: https://www.dolan-bikes.com/teams/
I saw online the 099 is also sold as a brand called Lokka Ranger.

You cannot rebrand the 218 like the above examples because it is a 100% copied frame. The 099 seems to be more of an "Open Mold" that is why I prefer it.

Another analogy is; you can outrightly pirate a Windows Operating system which is not cool but is commonly done. But Linux Operating system is Open Source Software so you can adapt it as you wish?
Oh now I understand what you mean! I thought that the 099 was a copy of the venge. Matter of fact that every frame was a copy of something.
What does it exactly mean by open mold?



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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: VBR 218 or VBR 099?
« on: August 01, 2022, 04:41:17 AM »
The 218 has a bolt on cover below the bottom bracket as well. It includes a Di2 battery holder there. So draining water is not a problem.

Besides, either frame is a copy after all. Yes the 99 might be more inspired rather than outright copied. But let’s face it: Velobuild‘s 168 and 99 are pretty close to being Specialized counterfeits. So if you’re concerned about what people might say about that, you’re probably better off not buying any of them.

I for one would never put decals on it to make it look like the real thing nor do I expect these frames to perform like the real thing. And for me it’s also about the dilemma that literally no one sells reasonably priced „modern“ carbon rim brake frames anymore, so I’m kinda forced to source them straight from China.
That is good news then! :)

To be honest, I dont care what people might say actually :)
Yeah I have somehow difficult to put decals in order to fake it real. Im asian so kind of know one or another when it comes to counterfeit products. The major reason why I wanted to get those frames was that I really like the design of both of them however cant afford the real deal.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: VBR 218 or VBR 099?
« on: August 01, 2022, 01:48:40 AM »
In the open mold world I'd go for the bike with looks that score lower on the "copied frame" spectrum especially when the highly copied frame is not the only option.
Also vbr099 seems to be a lighter build between the two frames hence closer to an all-rounder bike.


Random point from this weekend issues; vb099 has a hole under the BB area that helps to drain water out after a rainy ride or major bike wash. My 177 for example does not have this hole making lots of water to be caught up at the BB area. Not sure if vbr218 has this water drainage hole underneath the BB area. Little stuff like this saves your BB for longer.
Perhaps my brain is a little slow this morning but what do you mean by looks that score lower on the copied frame? So there will be less comments from other people you mean? :)
Yeah the 099 is a bit lighter so that's why I am leaning towards it besides the looks of it.

Ah! Wow I have to ask Chris! This was a good thing to know!
What about we water that goes upwards? Meaning rainwater

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: VBR 218 or VBR 099?
« on: July 31, 2022, 04:12:34 PM »
Do you prefer the Dogma or the Venge?
I am not quiet sure yet but somehow I like the looks of 218 but something tells me that I should get an 099 haha! :D

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / VBR 218 or VBR 099?
« on: July 30, 2022, 04:19:14 PM »
I am on the fence of ordering a new frame and this will be my first bike that I build.
Was going to order the 218 but then saw 099 and now I am confused on which one I should get. I like the look of both of them, however I do not know which one is easier to build. Also I dont have any experience with building a bike(but I guess google and asking pros will do the job)

Which frame do you like most and why? :)

edit: emailed Chris regarding the 099. Its still available at this moment if we order through email/whatsapp.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-218
« on: July 30, 2022, 04:13:14 PM »
I've been looking to build a new bike, but not exactly sure what size I should get that fits me. I am 171cm and the recommended size using SL7 as a reference is size 52. Should I get a Size S(50) in this case?
I am 174 and my bike geo fits me with an S at least. So Im gonna go with this on. An M/510 is to big for me :)
Also, its easier to enlarge a smaller bike than making a big bike smaller.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-218
« on: July 30, 2022, 07:35:21 AM »
Because it's literally a copy of a different bike. Not inspired, pure copy
you mean that VBR218 is a copy of Dogma F? Or that Dogma F is a copy of another bike?

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-218
« on: July 30, 2022, 03:04:10 AM »
Really nice builds! I mean no offence, but I was just curious if you get any unwanted attention/comments from other riders for riding a Pinarello-inspired frame. Personally I think the bikes look fantastic, and I'd be glad to have one. Just wanted to know if you received any negative comments because of this. Thanks :)

It's now that I have seen negative comments regarding the appearance of the bike. The hate is a bit to much Imo. Wonders why? I mean, I really like the design of the bike.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-218
« on: July 28, 2022, 05:01:01 PM »
A bar end mirror.  I have one on each side,  but really only use the left.  I guess I want to see the guys who's going to hit me.   ;)

I have like seen those big round mirrors like on MC but never those clean as yours. Where did you get it? :)

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-218
« on: July 28, 2022, 08:44:55 AM »
Yep. That's mine.

First off thanks to all the regular posters on this forum for all the knowledge they share!

I was considering a 177 back in April, but when they introduced the 218, I decided to give that a shot instead.

I ordered the XL frame on 4-18-22, they shipped on 5/6 and I got the frame on 5/12. I was pretty pleased with that speed.
I went with matte black, which maybe helped getting it a little quicker.

Wheels are elite SLT 50mm deep 29mm wide and the groupset is Sensa Empire.
No issues with the frame, other than the challenges of getting the cables through the integrated bars.  Being my first build, I didn't think it was too bad.

I've only had time to get about 30 miles in so far, but no problem to report yet. I did put a little tape on my seat post, so I can check to make sure it's not slipping over time, as that's been an issue on other velobuild frames.

My other bike is an aluminum endurance frame, so this should be a lot lighter and quicker. The bathroom scale has the 218at just under 19.5 lbs, my endurance bike is 25 lbs.

What is the thing at the end of your right dropbar? :)

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-218
« on: July 28, 2022, 03:00:11 AM »
Just finished my build of the 218.     It was an easy build and turned out better then I expected.

Smoking hot mate!

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