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Your sample size is 1. Mine is 5.
Beyond that and more importantly, a groupset is supposed to work, rather than break for no reason, so I am hoping that you're not the only user on the forum whose groupset is working!
I keep posting about the issues with mine so that it's visible to others who can then decide where they spend their money. I expected it would be beta, but that's a farce of a product, not a beta. I mean the failure rate is 100pc, as the 5th group is not being ridden atm. If they were on point with warranty and support, I wouldn't necessarily mind too much, but they're not.
Would be nice to have polls on the forum though, to know who's riding what.
Hi Serge, this really sucks...sorry to hear that...

the problem with most of the chinese companies is, that the engineers usualy do not speak any english, they develop, that is it.
so if a problem occurs, you end up with someone who speaks english, but does not have any technical clue....therefore, they ask questions like, did you ride it in the rain, they may have a note in front of them, with questions they need to ask..they hardly understand the product...the salesperson usually do not have any interest in solving problems, as long as the sales are good...
My er9 was totally dead, nothing and they ask for a video...we have done several orders now, tries everything to help and at the end, they do not even trust us when filing a complaint......

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Idk how it is to deal with Ltwoo directly. What i do know is that dealing with my reseller is torture.
well,
they only respond if you order, otherwise, you are ghosted.
They basically do not care if problems occur..they fail sending me documents...we offered to translate the app to germany, no response.
They promised so many things which did not happen....
i am selling off my grt stock for low prices...if anyone wants a groupset, i will offer better than aliexpress prices including shipping, i just want to get rid of them..even mechanic groupsets work fine...





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This is different. they are saying that the only way to buy their products is via their website.
what you are saying is what LTWOO is doing for eg, which is, in case of warranty issues, you contact your reseller, and the reseller liaises with LTWOO. I know that 1st hand, given i'm now on my 3rd dead ER9 RD, and every time i go through the reseller, which is torture.

Well, if oyu think going directly is a blast..no way....

The sellers just do not care....

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What they are stating is fair. As far as in Europe (and maybe in other countries as well), it's the store who needs to provide warranty cases with the consumer and not the company of the product. So if you claim warranty, you need to contact your seller rather than directly Wheeltop.
well, it is the cheapest way for them to sell..they do not have to cope with any european law!
If a dealership would decided to sell the product would immediately trigger alot of costs for this company, to fulfil the law.
Ce certification, no fake one
ANT+ license has to be paid
The brand has to be registred in europe in several systems, if not it is illegal to sell and the distributor/dealer will be held responsible.
The ce certification is pretty tricky with having involved wireless, batteries charging etc..
all these products must be tested..
We have been trying to persuade ltwoo, but they do not care and sell via aliexpress.
so with all these costs involved we end up having loads of costs to cope with laws....all this with seller on Alixepress selling cheaper than we bought our er9s directly...

so the rather sell without any problems via china.....

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Cyclocross Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: LTWOO eGR
« on: May 22, 2024, 02:58:22 AM »
Does anybody have a direct contact to ltwoo sales?
I am being ghosted by them(Salesperson Luke, i do not need his contact), because i want a solution regarding quality issues?
Any help appreciated...
If anybody is interested in er9, brand new..i am willing to sell them cheap, germany or europe preferred..


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Cyclocross Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: LTWOO eGR
« on: May 20, 2024, 12:49:40 PM »
well, i think LTWOO tries not to hurt any shimano patents with this? i think paying for flatmount license would have been a good thing, i suppose shimano was not up to this..
We wil see, if ltwoo withstands a closer look of patent lawers

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My ER9 is still going strong. When it works, it's f**king great! Though I'm not ignoring the problems. Hence why I don't ride my ER9 bike in the rain & don't wash it with a hose, I rotate my bikes to minimize wear-n-tear and I don't do things like shifting both the left/right shifters at the same time.

Also I'm theorizing that some aftermarket batteries might be an issue as well. That's the one variable that differs between all the working/non-working units. This is probably why Shimano uses their own proprietary unit and SRAM insist on only using their OEM batteries. I could imagine a sh**ty battery could potentially toast the ER9/X RD electronics.

Even with all the issues and the non-existent LTwoo support, I'd probably buy another ER9 groupset when it's on sale. The performance-price-risk factor is still worth it for me.
where are you located?

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That's assuming that Shimano and SRAM components never have issues, which is far from the case. I wasn't really paying attention when the first electronic group sets became common, but others comment that they had their issues, even on race days. I would assume they still do, to a much lesser degree, though the rare times they still have issues the problems are probably more quickly and painlessly corrected.

Also, engineering and design missteps are still non unheard of for the big boys, as stories of Shimano's delaminating cranks caused many people huge headaches and even injuries.

But I wasn't talking about the upper end of the market. I was talking about the mid and lower tiers, where electronic geoupsets can really shine on a price/performance ratio, but Shimano and SRAM keep the tech walled off to only high performance and super high price because they have no real reason not to price it as such. Now, perhaps, they'll have a reason.

maybe true....but i have never had a hassle when quality problems occured with the big players., shimano swapped all the faulty stuff without a hassle, ....Ltwoo knows about all those issues, but keeps selling these faulty groups and generates more frustration on users and sellers side....with this behaviour, it should be a no brainer for them to help customers getting the group running...or take the stuff back?
in my base, groups did not work and no one helped or asks for videos...we are just beeing ignored..
i am doing chinese business for 25 years now....we started with ltwoo and big motivation to establish a brand against to big ones...at the end, it was just a waste of time..the mechanical groupsets work well, but with aliexpress selling cheaper than ltwoo to dealers?
It was just a waste of time.
DJI for instance had faulty stuff, too....all these items where collected and deducted from next orders..with this, we never had problems selling quantities, as we knew DJi will help....so the market had no problems with minor issues....these issues were solved within 2 weeks..and a plan was established how to proceed with the products on the market....
It seems LTWOO does not have the capacity to concentrate on these products as they are busy with domestic sales with entry groupsets....

Look at sensah...the were one of the first companies at the starting line....but they are way behind now...





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Don't forget the market pressure on SRAM and Shimano to price their stuff more reasonably or at least offer lower-end electronic parts. Ocme economies of scale kick in, there's no reason why electronic parts should command such a premium price compared to mechanical groupsets. There's SO many small precise parts that need to fit and function perfectly in order for a 10-11-12 speed groupset to shift reliably, and do so over hundreds and thousands of miles of use. I can't wrap my head around why that is the cheaper option, other than it's tried and true, they have supply networks all in place, the design and engineering for manufacturing is all in place already, etc. etc. and momentum carries it all forward.
well, you buy an insurance for having a great day on a bike not breaking down somewhere or dnf a race, that is what people pay for: TRUST in the brand....of course, i do know guys who buy stuff because its cheap and they would never admit, that they have trouble with it...

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Yeah given the failure rate on the er9/erx, i'd wait a good 2 years after they RELEASE the triathlon version to put it on a race day bike. race bikes have to work on race day, enough things can go wrong without worrying about whether your group will decide to shift that day.
Eventually though, if they do get their act together, it will indeed be great. Should also open the doors to the "order a full custom bike from china straight to your door" market. Everything is in Xiamen, once their groups work, should be very doable to get someone to build you a bike, or at least most of it, the way Trek bikes arrive in shops, for eg (plenty of videos of Trek unboxing on YT).

Well, frankly speaking, that is a common chinese problem and i have only worked with one company on complete different level: DJI

We started the business with them and they listened to our reviews, tips etc....the founders rolemodel was steve jobs...we started with them when they had 7 employees...look at them now..
Ltwoo ist just another chinese company who does not know, how big the potencial would be, if they would erase issues immediately, even better, not having those issues...at the end, they are money driven and do not understand, that spending this little extra money in making the product perfect NOW would skyrocket sales...
With launching these product too early, they basically destroyed the brand..yes, all the aliexpres cheapo guys buy the stuff, but the quantity comes from manufacturers and distributors. And we will see, if all those electronic groupsets do hurt any patents, when the big player lawyers come into the game...
We did end up very disappointed with the way ltwoo treated our problems...they do not trust us and wanted to see videos of the broken product? yeah...a dead product makes a great video...

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Well, especially as a triathlet i would stay away from ltwoo on my racebike..not many races i participate and loads of training...thrown away if you have a faulty whatever....
i mean, this is so typical chinese...they ignore the problems, give you a hard time when something is defective , do not change it fast and after loosing trust in the brand due to lacking reliability, they try to enter triathlon.....?


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Vendor Discussion & Reviews / Re: Workswell disaster
« on: May 07, 2024, 01:28:42 AM »
we have purchased a triathlon frame from them...we ran into a very dangerous issue with the aluminium stem..which basically broke during an indoor session, luckily...the complete handlebars snapped of due to the broken stem. After checking the stem, it shows it was just a design flaw...
It took us a long time to get a new stem, which is now looking a bit stronger. Never did workswell inform us about this dangerous design nor did they send it for free......a seat post issue could not been handled,we were told, they would not produce this frame anymore...(after 2 years ).

It was just luck, that the broken stem did not cause a major injury or accident.
If the bikes and or parts would have beend tested on those fancy machines they claim to test the parts, this would have shown up after a day..there where 350 km on the bike when this happened..

so, we stepped away from them after this issue..

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ok, so it is a copy of a look frame?
so it may be illegal or is it an open mold?

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Hi,
this bike looks good, any info on availability and price?
first time i heard of the manufacturer, do you have any experience with them?
thanks

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If have send you a pm, which has not been answered...
when and were are samples available? please reach out to me..

Greetings..
Armin

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