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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: LTWOO ER9 & ERX - Electronic groepsets
« on: March 31, 2025, 01:58:46 AM »
Well, after seing seraph selling fully built carbon bikes with complete wheeltop groupsets for 899USD fob....you can imagine the margin...i suppose, the prices will drop massivly pretty soon....

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: LTWOO eTT
« on: March 28, 2025, 03:17:48 AM »
Hm, i have been running my shimanos without any problems so far..on tt and road bikes..

i think of using sram...running the blibs with new firmware does not need the expensive blib adaptor anymore...you basically you are free to choose the hydr. brakes, install is easy and very inexpensive...

but hey....if Ltwoo sponsors a pro tt athlet which acutally uses it, i think that is the point, i will think about it..otherwise, i will not risk any of races for an ltwoo setup.
if i have trouble with sram or shimano, the companies wont drop and ghost me, i actually get help and no, i do not have the experience everything faulty gets binned..shimano actually has a pretty good repair department...

we will see..

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: LTWOO eTT
« on: March 27, 2025, 01:15:04 AM »
It is a niche!
as Ltwoo has to deal with Triathletes...
i have asked 50 people in our club, NOBODY would trust Ltwoo for using it rather on a training bike or even in a race...
The most popular brand is sram...because 1 x setup are popular, not much money is involved..

They will have to built up trust, but i suppose it will be a domestic thing for china, but not for europe or the us...i suppose..

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Hong-Fu Fm238 endurance-ish frame
« on: March 23, 2025, 01:44:22 AM »
quality wise , hong fu is very reliable.
the have a little higher price tags and usually do not like to mess with single buys..

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: New VeloBuild gravel race frame in the works...
« on: March 10, 2025, 02:32:53 AM »
Gravel is the only increasing product segment in Germany...e bikes not counted in..

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Ican, aftersales support (with a complication)
« on: March 07, 2025, 12:26:04 PM »
i can try to get in touch with my salesperson, where are you located?

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: LTWOO ER9 & ERX - Electronic groepsets
« on: February 23, 2025, 05:45:38 AM »
is there really anybody participating in tt events and risking it with ltwoo components?

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Vendor Discussion & Reviews / Re: A little warning to EU buyers who decide not to use prepaid tax option
« on: February 12, 2025, 01:36:11 AM »
Quote from: Phil on February 06, 2025, 09:24:03 AM
I'm planning also on ordering a frame on Aliexpress and therefore asked German customs via E-mail about the current regulations.
It seems that you need to have luck and find a seller that cares about EU regulations. For Germany the seller/courier need to put a certain code on the packaging to prevent taxes. There is a rule for private customers that excludes them from all the high taxes. You just need to pay VAT and a small customs fee.
I wrote to two sellers regarding this topic but haven't received an answer yet. Until this is not clear I won't by on AliExpress.
I keep my fingers crossed that maybe AliExpress can support you. I would definitely write an E-mail to them. I had a similar issue on Alibaba in 2023 and Alibaba supported me quiet well and the seller refunded me. They declared completely wrong and I had to pay way to high taxes and fees.

Well, that is all theoretical...at the end, the guy at the customs decides which tarif code he uses! we have been paying anti dumping tax many times and had to claim an official protest at the national customs office...we always got our refunds but it is just a pita. once again, the declaration is importers duty...all sellers who buy with all duty payed services may run into problems at local customs.....as a private person, you can always protest against your tax statement, but payments have to be made in advance..refunds are quite common if you know what your are doing..

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Vendor Discussion & Reviews / Re: A little warning to EU buyers who decide not to use prepaid tax option
« on: February 12, 2025, 01:30:51 AM »
Quote from: TidyDinosaur on February 12, 2025, 01:23:03 AM
A little update (or lack of it)...

Aliexpress does not respond to my mails about there being a difference between tax and a fine for fraud. ...

The seller is playing with me. Saying they will pay back part of the costs, but I know this game and expect they are not planning to do that and are just keeping me busy until I give up... Every day there is some vague answers to my (or besides my...) questions and they always have to "ask the boss" so they can waste another day of my time without giving me an answer.

And I'm still waiting for my frame...

Well, emergency brake action would be, if you have payed via paypal:  just do not pick up the bike......customs (in Germany) can not force you to pick up the shipment, and if the customs are not payed, the product is not imported....regarding paypal, it should have the status "Not delivered" therefore, the money can be easily refunded...just make a claim....usually this works

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Vendor Discussion & Reviews / Re: A little warning to EU buyers who decide not to use prepaid tax option
« on: February 07, 2025, 01:27:40 AM »
Quote from: rasch on February 06, 2025, 05:20:30 PM
Don't worry. Now that we have a government it will be even better. We will have capital gains tax and we won't get any tax reduction in our salaries in the next years :)

In any case, try to claim. If you never tried to lie in the pricing it's not on you. Will be annoying but I think you can reach them and show it's not under ur control

Well, it is on the clients/customer side to ensure proper and correct paperwork (no Fake invoice). Not the sellers..in Germany, it can get pretty expensive and also high fines apply...if you do that on purpose.

At the local customs office, if the mancount is good, you need to proof the invoice amount by showing them your payment confirmation (paypal), for any imported sale...if it hits customs...you may end up having big trouble if you have deceive there...as we have huge amounts of parcels, but still the same amount of workers, it is a mismatch.
So seeing us postal service boycot is a good thing, as the whole import process is very expensive and at least in Germany, we treat china shipment like third world! and shipping costs are cut of at 4 Euros if i remember correctly, the rest of the transfer is on DHL side, so we all pay for the costs....EVERY import which hits customs for clearance, dhl has to pay something around 9 Euros!!!that is what an official at the customs office told me.


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Vendor Discussion & Reviews / Re: A little warning to EU buyers who decide not to use prepaid tax option
« on: February 06, 2025, 03:41:27 PM »
Quote from: TidyDinosaur on February 06, 2025, 08:38:38 AM
This can get very expensive...
Let me explain...

I ordered a aluminium gravel frame during sales on November 29 for 202 USD. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007201451676.html
The seller did not offer prepaid-tax shipping, so I decided to order anyway and pay duties and tax when the frame was imported into my country (Belgium).
The frame arrived with customs about a month later. The courier took more than 2 weeks to do the paperwork and I had to pay 50 EUR tax and handling. That was OK.

But than the trouble began. The seller had apparently put a value of 80 USD on the document, which customs did not really believe (can't blame them). So after a couple of weeks I got a letter from customs to deliver proof of the real value of the item. This was 202 USD and I sent them my payment proof and a printscreen from the Ali order.

Today I got an email that because the seller had committed fraud, they are fining me 250 EUR (because they can't get to the seller of course) + anti-dumping tax + VAT for a total of 390 EUR. I can not refuse the frame and if I do not pay they take me to court and it will get much more expensive... They say I should try to get the money from the seller myself.

So all in all this frame is now costing me 200 + 50 + 390 = 640 EUR and a big part of that is because the seller has lied on the form.

well, frankly speaking, that is the normal way to import a bike frame..there are anti dumping tarifs applied, it depends in which european country your importing to.
The seller is only responsible to deliver the product to your border, the import is completely on your side..sure, all the sellers find ways and play tricks, and the frame reaches you without bigger add ons.
In germany, you must inform customs and pay all duties according to import laws...usually you can import 1 piece every 1 or 3 months, i do not remember correct without anti dumping tax applied...if have had this once, even being a commercial importer.

So, the seller is called being a fraud, but he did nothing wrong. You did not provide correct paper work to you forwarding carrier, so the fine should be ok....

I suppose that is the risk of direct importing and in Germany, authorities are just overwelmed by the quantities of parcels, otherwise anti dumping tax would apply more often..people just get lucky
EU is planning new costs for parcel being sent from China...so all the little orders will cost money for customs etc..

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: LTWOO ER9 & ERX - Electronic groepsets
« on: January 07, 2025, 12:30:44 AM »
Quote from: jonathanf2 on January 06, 2025, 07:53:15 PM
I'm beginning to think LTwoo is lagging behind Wheeltop. Wheeltop seems to have better regional/warranty support and it appears OEMs are gravitating towards Wheeltop with fully assembled bikes. Not to mention they were able to acquire Rotor. I wonder if LTwoo's private equity is starting to dry up with no fresh funds? On one hand, I think only one Chinese groupset manufacturer will eventually come out on top. On the other hand, the inter-Chinese competition has forced lower prices.
well, wheeltop sponsored many full bike builts with a ready built price for 899 USD ....
We worked with ltwoo in order to establish the brand for being ready to equip oem bikes with the groupset....they messed up everything...we also have spoken to a couple of distributors who were basically turned down just by ghosting them, some visited the factory and came home frustrated..
So currently, i do see wheeltop ahead by miles..we need to see, how they work out the patent with flat mount brakes and other things which need to be settled to sell the product legally in EU regions....

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Metal Frames / Re: 3d printed Ti frames
« on: January 04, 2025, 05:51:39 AM »
Quote from: Ludo on December 27, 2024, 06:52:03 AM
That looks awesome. What is the budget?
Can you choose the geometry or is it pretty set?
Is this a custom geometry?

What is the weight of the frame?

Looks very very stylish

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Component Deals & Selection / Re: 2024 11.11 / Black Friday sale planning
« on: November 26, 2024, 12:56:40 AM »
Quote from: SillyMochi on November 18, 2024, 04:04:37 AM
That being said, it's not reflected in current Chinese carbon frames. Prices are pretty much the same they were a year ago or even higher while Western brands are cutting prices heavily due to stock not moving.

So either they are still getting good sales or haven't understood the current economics.
the domestic market is very very strong at the moment...so manufacturers do not see the need of changing anything..carbonframes still are pricy and ltwoo and wheeltop still are slow with r+d for faulty products, as they are sellling huge amounts for gear for the domestic market...
After the quantity drop of european distributors following corona, domestic sales kind of saved the chinese bike industry, as they have invested alot into infrastructure to cope with the corona sales....

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Component Deals & Selection / Re: Review: Cyclami Pump A2s
« on: November 26, 2024, 12:53:48 AM »
we have tried many of the pumps and in our case, we are only selling cycplus pumps.
https://www.rockerplates.de/?a=6690&lang=eng&srsltid=AfmBOoo3hfvNdmuk142C7cRh2VgNPwVAAHqrAWkG7E2KP1SMDUjlLP0o

Almost no defectives, very small and light and ideal for discwheels, as it comes with a little adaptor for reaching the valve in tiny areas..


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