i also think that chiner frames are a bit expensive rn, I'm searching a cx bike and I have seen chiner framesets and they cost at least 600 euros shipped, in the second hand market you can buy previous gen tcx at like 1200 euros(a friend told me that he sells a tcx old gen at 1100 and he has max 2500km and he never raced or trained cx it was basically a road \ gravel bike for him) and I have seen one new gen at 1450, and remember that right now in some race you need uci approval and chiners arent approved, I think right now it only make sense if you sell them with your brand or have a small team and you buy them in bulk with cheaper prices (I think for mtb it make sense btw)

In the end today with the other bike i pushed more than 1000w and nothing so its probabile the deralleur lol

Yes, in going to try, on the other bike the deralleur Is 9100 so 12 Speed, in going to try

In the end trifox didnt warranty the frame because they said that i jumped (used this bike only for gravel riding) and then they never responded again, i wanted tò call the service manager but obviusly never called, then i used a second Number tò see if they Just gosted me or they werent online, they responded in 3 seconds but obviusly when i said Who i was never responded again lol, dont buy a trifox frame because its good until It works then they basically scam you with warranty, the frame had Just One year, for me the problem Is sprinting but they never said tò not sprint, they also never said tò no Jump when i bought the frame tbh, so dont get scammed by trifox

The frame was sdy20 and tò be honest i dont know how it snapped , but It certainly not my fault, i had some kind of responce by trifox so i let you know how it goes

So i should basically buy a new frame? They didnt even responded tò me, i wrote them at 10pm Yesterday (i am in Italy) and i didnt had any responce about that right now(14:10 pm in Italy) im sad because was a good frame but during a ride i snapped, i am probably going to buy a reputable brand (idk of Scott scale or epic ht), i dont have problema for shopping because its and entire frame and the value Is a bit bigger but i Hope they replace It because It isnt my fault and i am pretty light (68kg)

to be honest i dont know but when i bought it the frame was listed a lot less (8\12\2022) and probably is pretty accurate because I weighted it on two scales and there was a difference but wasn't more than 10 grams, they probably changed with a different supplier or is listed more for tollerances, btw the bike for me is good and all my friend that race xc against me(juniores in Italy) are impressed about the weight of the bike (xtr, formula r1r,rotor carbon cranks with pm, carbon wheels are coming today, fox 32 sc......) and I spent like 2600 not more, some components I bought them second hand
if you want i could send you an excel file with all components price and weight, it isn't so accurate but isn't that bad
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1037JGuPYNjd9TxGat7EcIUgHLV7Xzng3HSC_oluY6NU/edit?usp=sharing
the price of r1r seem strange but I bought second hand at 50 euros for the set looool, I had magura t8 but they didn't work well but they changed them in warranty
so if someone want new mt8 I sell them at 220 euros

what is the lightest full suspension chiner frame?
I have seen that xds made a frame that is around 1450 g size M without shock but I can't find it online
other names?