In the name of science: I actually did it: I ordered the groupset from taobao to the warehouse of my shipping agent. So far i paid 2599 yuan + 3% international card fee so 2677 yuan which equals around 340€. There's usually also a 1,8% fee from my credit card to convert the yuan to euro. So the total price should come out to 2725 yuan which is 345€.

I will let you know about the shipping price from my shipping agent to germany. I'm pretty optimistic that it will come out to less than 400€ including import taxes etc.

For comparison: From wheeltop website it's 599€ and from aliexpress it's at least 470€ without any taxes paid, so at least 500€ probably more.

If everything goes right this is a good deal. If it doesn't work out like i imagine it might have been a really stupid idea. Wish me luck.

Good luck! Report back as I've had it on my spreadsheet for my gravel build. No buy until you give us the good news 

Quote from: waltini on November 22, 2024, 03:26:50 PM

I bought one of these.

Maximum clearance is 30c, 32c is dependant on wheel and tyre combination.

I paid $1800 delivered to Australia.

If I had my time again I would have just built up a bike from scratch. If you start replacing parts it will end up costing a lot more.

The wheels are really heavy, 1900 grams. (I got the carbon wheels)

I have replaced the following: Crankset, axles, saddle, tyres. New wheels will be the next purchase which will take the bike to around 7kg.
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Hi I'm in Australia also, and it seems like an awesome deal still. I would want to get the weight low, are you sure you were able to get it to 7kgs? That seems perfect. I have rim brake light bikes at 7.2, so if accurate that would be very cool. I would also want to change to 38cm bars.

You can but it doesn't make sense financially. Get a more modern frame and build it up. Otherwise you're replacing wheels, crank, handlebar and saddle.

Hello everyone,
are there any more buyers here in the forum who can share their experiences?
I am interested in the bike as a cost-effective alternative and am thinking about placing an order.
Some good photos in daylight would also be nice.
What weaknesses have you identified? I would be happy to receive some more information...

I am the one who posted above. I've probably put another 1000km on since then.

It's fine for an entry level bike, it I had my time again I'd build up one of the highly regarded frames here and spend a bit more money.

Wheels are heavy, handlebar is heavy, frame is heavy. But if you're a heavy lad it's fine.

Only problem has been axles as I mentioned above. I snapped the fork when I had a tumble but it was easy getting a new one shipped.

If you're advanced, this isn't the bike for you. I'm still on the road to lose weight, but this bike will be relegated to trainer duties next season.

where can you buy it? it doesn't even exist on their website

For sale on Taobao, should ship directly, or they do to Australia

Had my carbon stem-handlebar combo on XC bike for over 3 years and 10k km from a brand ,,toseek,,
Now I've ordered this: https://vi.aliexpress.com/item/1005006968126906.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.0.0.53f7sr1Psr1PyY&mp=1&gatewayAdapt=glo2vnm

I'm not happy with it and gonna send it back. Now I'm thinking about this: https://vi.aliexpress.com/item/1005006561735597.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.0.0.53f7sr1Psr1PyY&mp=1&gatewayAdapt=glo2vnm

I have the KOCEVLO bar you have listed. Only has a few thousand km on it but seems solid so far.

I am 95KG and put out around 1300W sprint, feels fine. Not too flexy on the drops either.

Does weigh more than other bars though.

Does anyone have experience with Riro carbon crankset with 24mm aluminium axle?
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007344893638.html

Thinking about getting one on for my new build. The frame has bb86 bb shell and I don't really want to go for a dub crank.
Was looking around for some lighter 24mm axle cranks and could only find this Riro crank and a raceworks one.
Any feedback on how those axles hold up?

Hey mate, I have a Riro at the 50/34 chainring. Has around 500km on it so far, so I cant comment on longevity. No issues installing, I do have a T47-79BB.

These bars came on my Seraph bike.

Rate them nightly considering the price they are. I'm 95KG and they have minimal flex.

How are those BBs holding up guys? I don't wanna instal another pf dura Ace bb and was considering the threaded one like this. Easy to put better bearings and it should work great. Would be way cheaper then buying something better then dura ace like bikone

I have a T47 77mm BB from ZTTO and it has been great (so far) has only done a few thousand kilometres. Install was very easy. Bearings actually seem decent.