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Don't worry about the disc brake aspect. They require some different tools, but it really isn't that hard. Read up (watch up) on the process for your brake type (different ones have different preferred procedures even though the basics are usually the same) and be patient. And don't forget that if you have DOT fluid, you do not want that getting on anything. It's not instant death  :)  But it will corrode or remove paint. Water or IPA clean well so it isn't that big of a deal. You just have to do it.

If this new frame is 'normal' don't worry about it too much. The principles are usually the same on them all

Press fit parts (headset and sometimes BB) are a new skill set that does require tooling to do safely and well. But there are lots of low-cost but adequate quality tools around. Just don't use a hammer (which can be done but you can screw it up badly). This is in the category where you might just ask a pro to do this part for you if you don't want to buy tools

Di2 does require fitting cables avoided by AXS. But if the bike is designed for it, the routes should be available to you and not a big deal. Get a cheap cable/hose fish tool. Thin wires with magnets make it a breeze. I had to do one recently where it turned out that it was not possible to get the end fitting around the curve from the down tube to the chainstay without removing the BB (it was already installed from a prior build) I recommend running the wires as an early step to avoid these issues.

Get the cable routing tool. Cheap ones are fine. Cutting the fork straight is easier with a guide but you can do it by hand with the right saw. Don't forget how dangerous carbon dust is (wear a respirator and clean up) Again, you can pay a mechanic to do it for you once you've figured out the measurement.

General advice:
- Double check compatibility between parts. If it's all new stuff, it's usually not bad. But as soon as you vary vintages it can get interesting.
- Take your time with a first build. It's not that hard but can sometimes be a puzzle
- Use a torque wrench. Look up all the specs before you start so you're not tempted to cheat. Modern fine components whether metal or plastic (CF) are strong but intolerant of overtorquing. And slipping parts are bad. (make sure you have carbon grip compound)
- At every fitting, use lube, antiseize or loctite as appropriate. Your future self will appreciate it. Look up which is appropriate for each application if you don't know.
- As said before, don't be afraid to go to a pro. If they're any good, they'll appreciate you're trying not laugh at you :-)  A few dollars/euro is worth the peace of mind and avoiding damage. (or cheaper than the tool)  My first build came with a headset, but I wanted it out to service before the build. I could NOT get it out. Before I damaged something with my own ignorance, I took it in to the shop. When I came back, I asked if I'd done something wrong or if it was damaged. He told me (with a chuckle), that it was REALLY stuck. It took two of them to get it out.
- Have fun doing it. It's a real satisfaction to create your whole bike from parts. Don't worry if you get frustrated occasionally.

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Cyclocross Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: LTWOO eGR
« on: May 15, 2025, 01:09:02 PM »
Warnings first: Do with this under your own judgment only. No warranties given or implied.

That said, I just pulled my cable out, plugged it in to USB port and measure 9V with the pin positive.

That is, of course, unloaded and without any potential negotiations which makes it a little surprising to me. I thought 'dumb' USB power was supposed to be 5V until negotiated otherwise. The green light at the USB A end was illuminated and perhaps that circuitry is doing the negotiation with the brick and just delivering dumb 9V down the wire.

Good luck

PS: I think you already suggested you've done this, but just in case: You can, of course, charge the battery cells externally instead of through the RD cable. But that won't necessarily help a startup sequence (which I didn't recall being there)

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Cyclocross Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Wheeltop EDS GeX
« on: April 24, 2025, 10:02:11 PM »
I finally finished writing up my installation notes on the GeX system (I started, got busy and forgot to finish). If you're interested, you can read it here

https://trbike.blogspot.com/2025/04/installing-wheeltop-gex.html


I'm still working on the comparison to LTWOO

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Cyclocross Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: LTWOO eGR
« on: April 21, 2025, 06:46:35 PM »
I ordered the replacement cage from the 80 store, held it up against my old cage, and it's a 'like-for-like' replacement (unfortunately).

I didn't ask for the new one, and after reading these posts, I wish I had!

Yeah, I'm all for continual improvement in products. Many enhancements or fixes are appropriate to roll out in process without any marketing or other active outreach. But it sure would be nice if there were a changelog and/or some sort of versioning documented on the part (even if obscure like Canon used to do with their lenses).

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Cyclocross Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: LTWOO eGR
« on: April 21, 2025, 12:00:40 PM »
Unfortunately, I didn't think to ask. However, given that the entire staff on the booth (as far as I saw) was from China, it does not seem they are staffing up here.

Unfortunately, at the moment, it's a bit of a moot point. At 124% tariff rates (today, who knows tomorrow), the pricing gets to be a problem in the USA. Anything arriving now to stock up would be subject to that rate. So local stock won't really help pricing. Sure, Wheeltop will see the same. But AFAIK, SRAM is made in Taiwan and Shimano is partly PRC but mostly other countries. So the discounted prices of the Big S products will not be far from the tariffed prices of the newcomers.

The direct import de minimis exemption is still in place but only until EOD May 2nd at this time.


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Cyclocross Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: LTWOO eGR
« on: April 21, 2025, 11:39:58 AM »
RE my up-thread comments about getting a longer-cage warranty replacement


After dropping by the LTWOO booth at Sea Otter, I got in touch with someone at LTWOO. He was able to confirm that there has been a running update to a longer cage that they expect works to 52t. I can confirm that it works correctly with a 10-50t cassette and would expect a 52t to be fine but haven't tested. He said there were no other changes to geometry, firmware, etc. 

Since it is not on the website nor has a labeled version, I'm not sure how to ensure you would get this version though. When I got the warranty part, they checked that I could accept the longer cage since that was all they had in stock. But I can't speak to whether that is universal. If you have it in hand, the older version is approximately 82mm c-c on the bolts. The new one is ~90mm (Sorry, I only did it roughly while installing and looking at the pictures, I can't confirm more precisions than that)

However, it seems we might see a new eGR rear derailleur this summer with some of the features of the MTB series like the charge port going to USB-C

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Cyclocross Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: LTWOO eGR
« on: April 14, 2025, 01:13:47 PM »
I highly recommend getting a separate battery charger and charging the batteries before installing it into the battery holder. Also clean the connectors periodically as well. I find my eGR port needs to be cleaned more often than my eR9 setup.

Interesting comment. Is there any difference between the ports on the eGR and eR9? AFAIK, the basic connector is the same. But perhaps positioning, or the surrounding or... 

I ask because I'm still trying to figure out why my first one became problematic to charge (despite brushing, alcohol etc.) and the warranty V2 unit (based on the longer cage and no other details) works fine so far and might be different

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Cyclocross Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: LTWOO eGR
« on: April 09, 2025, 11:39:26 AM »
I actually own both LTWOO and Wheeltop on two different bikes. A few notes


- The Wheeltop officially supports 51 not 52. I suspect that 52 would work but, then again there may be a reason they topped it there

- LTWOO has a new RD that DOES work well up to at least 50t. I got it on warranty (charging problems) and they asked if it was ok to send the long cage version (8-9mm longer as it turns out) instead. Heck yeah, I said since I was using the 50t already out of spec. They did not provide any documentation on the new version and I find NOTHING online and there are no markings. So...  But it seems clear that there is a new version working into the system and that it supports bigger cassettes. How big? Is it a configuration option or a replacement version? Did anything else change? I don't know. It works well. Better than the original it seems to me.

- The LTWOO strange caliper adapter thing is not great. But seems to work with most. Wheeltop calipers just flat mount with no issue

- Braking feel is kind of a wash. My opinion is problematic because I couldn't use the LTWOO calipers on the first install because of having a post mount bike (I had been led to believe I could just use different adapters. No). So I just used some Shimano calipers which worked great but not exactly stock. When I swapped in the Wheeltop system, I left the Shimano calipers (easier to just couple in than re-thread the hoses) and that worked fine too.  When I re-used the LTWOO again on the second bike, I ended up using the Wheeltop calipers  :D because they mounted without adapters. So.... It all works. Braking feel and effectiveness is good on both mutt systems. The pads that come with the Wheeltop are bad if you're heavy and/or ride mountains. They feel good riding in unchallenging areas but they melt way too easily on a long descent. I have resin pads on another bike that works fine and these did not. I put metallics in there and it's good now.







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Cyclocross Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: LTWOO eGR
« on: April 08, 2025, 03:12:45 PM »

Why do you think that it would be better to buy an eRX groupset and an eGR RD? Apart from that, that I would surely have a working 2by system, but I would like to have the eGR brifters, they might be better optimized for gravel.

On the requirement to have the dual port battery and FD which are available in the eRX group. So, if the groupset is buyable cheaper than the parts (often the case), that would be efficient. But you could also get eGR and buy a second battery from the eRX group with dual ports and an FD. But that brings up the 'does it really work' with eGR brifters question again. I would have greater confidence (but still unknown) that the eRX 2x setup could talk to an eGR wide-range RD than the eGR 1x brifters (which officially allow you to use left or right to shift the RD but no other combo) to be able to also control the FD. The way pairing works on LTWOO and other wireless systems, it appears that the RD is the master in the system and thus could be the deciding factor in cross comopatibility.

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Cyclocross Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: LTWOO eGR
« on: April 07, 2025, 04:28:50 PM »

You'll have to add a FD somehow, so you'll be purchasing that separately from the eGR since the eGR was technically never meant to be paired with a FD. It's only though some minimal testing by others that it seems it *might* work together. If you are deadset on trying it, I would suggest maybe buying a fire-sale eR9 groupset. You can use the single battery pack from the eR9 that has 2 outputs as well as the eR9 FD. You'll also get eR9 brifters. If you are able to find one, then, all you would need is an eGR rear derailleur. It might not be that much cheaper than a full eGR groupset, so maybe you could just buy a full eGR groupset and sell whichever pair of brifters and brakes you don't want and keep all the rest?

IF you want to go ahead with a wide-range rear cassette and/or "clutch" like on the eGR RD, I think that's probably the way to do it.

What you need to do it is the dual-port battery that comes with the road group. The eGR version only has a single port to power the RD. Getting the road set would include that and the shifters/brakes. And then you need the eGR or MTB RD. Supposedly LTWOO will support pairing across product lines. Confirmation on that seems thin though. If I get a chance at Sea Otter I'll try to remember to ask someone. 

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Cyclocross Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: LTWOO eGR
« on: April 01, 2025, 08:16:42 PM »
I just ordered a new cage from 80 Design as I bent my original one. It'll be interesting to see whether it's the longer one (I hope so, as I'm running a large cassette out of spec)

I'll be very curious to hear.

I asked a follow-up for details on the one I got and all they would say is that they hoped they'd be able to sell the new version soon. I inferred that they got some early production on an unreleased product.

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Cyclocross Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: LTWOO eGR
« on: March 31, 2025, 12:26:25 PM »
So it’s plug and play with the rest of the V1 components?

I’m interested to hear how you go with this!

I can find no indication of it being an officially different version (other than the cage length). And it plugged straight in to the existing power and paired right up with the shifters.

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Cyclocross Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: LTWOO eGR
« on: March 28, 2025, 12:43:36 AM »
I can't see anything and I've looked at them side by side.

What I have noticed is that it works with my 10-50 WAY better. (Yes, I know I was running it out of spec). I haven't had it on the road yet but what I've noticed is:

  • Almost no B screw tension to put it in position on a 50t. With V1, it needed nearly full extension
  • On the stand, shifting at the bigger cogs seems crisper
  • The initial calibration point is WAY off. But it was on the V1 as well. The position for gear 1 lines up about the 5th cog.  Easy enough to fix with the initial calibration but it makes one think it's messed up at first. Once calibrated, no micro adjustment needed on a Garbuaruk 11s

We'll see on the road tomorrow I hope.


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Cyclocross Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: LTWOO eGR
« on: March 27, 2025, 09:12:06 PM »
New Version of LTWOO eGR Derailleur?


So, I wrote to my reseller (80 Designer Store on Aliexpress) about the charge problem. They promptly replied offering a warranty replacement for a nominal shipping charge ($15). Deal. But they 'warned' me that they only had the new, 10-50t version. Uhhhh, excuse me? Sure, send it. Awesome response

It arrived today (about a week). It is indeed a different version. The cage now measures 90mm bolt to bolt where the original one was only 83mm. That seems to suggest that it could support 50t now. But I cannot fine ANY reference to such a thing anywhere in the English web. The LTWOO mechanical RD can do it but the product page still says 46t for eGR.  I cannot observe any other differences to the earlier version (delivered in May 2024). It does weigh 15g more and 7mm of cage doesn't account for that. The app does not differentiate their versions either.

Has anyone else heard of an update. I've been looking at reports from Taipei bike show but nobody has mentioned it that I've seen yet.


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Cyclocross Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: LTWOO eGR
« on: March 15, 2025, 11:29:48 PM »
Clean your battery cable and RD magnetic port. I periodically wipe both down with a cotton swab and alcohol. After camping trips, my RD is very dirty so I find the alcohol does the trick cleaning debris on the magnetic port.

This should hopefully fix your issue!  ;)

Unfortunately, I have done both several times, on both cables I have. Still unstable. If I keep trying it over and over it will eventually connect

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