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So glad I purchased during the Anniversary sale after looking again today, they are now $110 USD more than I paid.

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I also took that opportunity to buy them as training and travel wheels, I went for the DAO50 the wave ones. I am curious to report back here how they are, I paid more or less the same as RazorRamon (316 euro) For this price compared to my elite Drive wheels are they 1/3 of the price, I know it's a user object but I want to keep them nice and shiny and then I can do whatever I want with the Tagoola's. I'm afraid of the car cargo bicycle carrier, that it will scratch the wheels.

Paid 320€ total including shipping during the aliexpress sale, very happy with the price.

The crack

I have the same, but I overtorqued it. I did it with a Torq wrench as well, but I did it the wrong way around, first the 2 bolts then the compression plug (stupid I know, but first bike build, and not enough research or the lack of it). Anyway, it's a cheap handlebar. I upgraded it to a Tavelo AVRO Gen 1.

Looks really good, the white one awesome! It's a small size frame so a 6.8 kg is quite solid. I have in the end here for a 56 size frame 6,9 kg so you can definitely save something with the wheels I guess.

and the black one with blue and pink also looks great. It has the same frame size as mine, only that yours looks more neat than mine. I've now ridden outside 500 km and indoors just over 1000 km and it feels fine. Need to replace the handlebar because I probably tighten it too tight, even though it didn't exceeded the 5nm but okay, I bought in the end the Tavelo Avro gen-1 (still needs to arrive).

Also got the Lexon Cranks, if the crank is not running smoothly, try it without spacers and the lockring.

These are/were my weights for a size 56:
Frame: 1069g
Fork: 432g
Handlebar fake black inc): 331g
seatpost incl clamp: 220g

Weights (size 56):
Frame: 1154g
Fork: 471g

I've decided I'm going to weight weenie it, I want to get it under 7kg cuz why not. Currently 7.8kg with everything on it

What I'm currently thinking

Avian Canary- 240 grams. 100g savings, costs 190 and 40 for the adapter to Factor.

I'm also checking for an option to go for an Avian Canary with the outline of the imitation black Inc. handlebar. I have inquired them and they can print for the bike an adapter to accommodate the cables with the d-tube steer. I'm not getting much more info when reading on the forum and watching on YouTube. some people like them others don't, it's like 80-20 of positive versus negative. The Canary has a nice weight, 264 gram for a 400 by 110 for a reasonable price of 290 euros.


Original Black inc:


The EXS (500 euro) is for me a bit over the budget as well as the original Black Inc. (550 euro) but I was also looking at a more aerodynamic shape that doesn't weigh that much more. I've looked into Patty his post (https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,5314.msg66946.html#msg66946) about the handlebars as well and consider the Tavelo Avro too.


One other that got my interest is the Rolling Stone Manta it's also around the 290 euro price point it's 80 grams heavier than the Canary with 345 grams and same weight than the one that I have now, but I looks more aerodynamic :


If I compare the 2:
- Avian Canary 265 gram, 290 euro carbon T1100 Less aero more climbing and all round. Not so good reviews
- Tavelo Avro gen-1, 340 gram, 290 euro no idea what carbon, but great reviews
- Rolling Stone 345 gram, 2290 euro Carbon T800 More aero less climbing less all round.

Anyway always nice to compare "stuff" too bad I can't find really reviews on the "unknown" Rolling-Stone handlebar.

Those cranks are sold with this power meter so we gonna talk about it if you like it or not

Thank you for this comment.

So far so good, have done 10 rides ISH and going for a bigger 160km round today, Onyu pass in Japan.
The cranks are holding up very well only the Powermeter was/is a bit off compared to me wahoo kickr. Like 30 watts, which is not that insignificant as I'm not enjoying Pogi's power output

I use a Saris H3 and the motor meter with me is off by 10 watts so probably it isn't too bad overall and yeah you can calibrate them easily after if you think it's not correct. I initially thought that my Saris H3 was less accurate than the power meter, but after your comment, I had to rethink my initial thought. However, I'm satisfied with it.

Too bad that those DUB crankset from Lexon didn't came with titanium axles or at least the one that I have, compared to the 24mm as they claim they are titanium...

I've decided I'm going to weight weenie it, I want to get it under 7kg cuz why not. Currently 7.8kg with everything on it

What I'm currently thinking
Avian Canary- 240 grams. 100g savings, costs 190 and 40 for the adapter to Factor.
Overfast or similiar thru axles, should save me 60-80 grams. 200
Farsports 2025 evo S all rounder- should save close to 300-350, costs 1500. I think I can sell my current rovals for around 1000 bucks
Crankset- Riro crankset from Ali should save me another 100 grams
With that should be 7.1kg

Maybe lighter disc brakes, darimo post, ti bolts and a few other things if i'm feeling ambitious

Cool, same as me, most of the things you planned to do I also have on my list.
The Overfast Thru Axles however I couldn't get my head around to spend 200 bucks for a weight saving of 34 gram, not sure how you get to shave off 60 to 80 grams there. My axles that came with the frame are together 64 grams and the overfast axles are together 30 grams. The titanium axles are also around the 240 dollar price point but a little heavier (40grams). What I did was checking for myself, what I think, what is still affordable grams to price ratio. So, in the end I bought the alu axles with dropout, which reduces it with 16 gram (from 64 grams to 48 grams) but costs (50 dollars) 1/4 of the carbon or titanium axles. But it's of course much cooler, lighter and nicer to have carbon or titanium ones.

Not sure what Crankset you have now but the Riro is light indeed (388 grams), I had on my list the Cybrei carbon Crank, which weights 320 grams instead of my Lexon carbon crank which is 387 grams (weighed myself including spider and bolts). but for the price of a Cybrei to save 55 grams, for 500 dollars.. I don't know you need to be really ambitious as you said, if will will be that kind of weight weenie.

Wheelset will definitely help, I also had those farsports in mind together with the No. 5's also worth looking at, and I think to logo of No. 5 looks cool with the Factor Logo IMO, it would be awesome if you could sell your Rovals than you don't lose a lot on the costs to replace those wheels.

For the disc brakes, I have now the Carbon Raceworks, but they were with 6 bolts because I read that was lighter than a center lock, however I bought the elite drive wheels and selected the 6 bolts option but instead of getting six bolt version I got an adapter for the 6 bolts that fit the center lock. So the "light" carbon raceworks are together with the adapter not so light anymore, and if I get some Galfer road wave discs of 160 mm that weigh the same as the raceworks I can replace the adapter just for the centerlock, which saves me 45 grams.

The last thing that I want to mention as you pointed out the Darima seatpost, I bought a replacement seatpost on AliExpress (https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/1005006226516164.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.4.6dc379d2tMfyz5&gatewayAdapt=glo2nld which is 89 grams lighter (claimed weight 131 grams incl bolts) than the original (weighted at 220 including bolts) and costs less than a Darima (duh because it's from AliE). Maybe worth looking at.

Saddle is every rider's preference so I won't say anything about that. I got a Ryet carbon saddle width of 135mm, but that's so personal mine weighs in at 115 grams. The previous one was 163 grams.

Most bolts that I could chance with titanium didn't save me a lot, around 17 grams.

I hope it's helpful and let us know how much weight you saved in the end. With the mentioned changes above I saved +/- 400 grams (went from 7460 grams to 7050 grams) but with other tires and wheels that's around another 400 to 500 grams.

Quick update on the frame after +/- 500km in, even though it's blacklisted in another forum thread, I really enjoy riding it. It's quick, stable and also responsive and with the Elite Drive D65 wheels, I would say it's even comfortable. I'm combining riding outside with riding indoors on Zwift with the bike. Putting down the power is possible and I'm getting the hang of it.

I ride most of the time solo and I do not overtake or see a lot of other people on the course that I ride, in my garage are also no people judging me on the bike (that it's fake) so still I'm quite pleased and happy with it.

Maybe I need to go to Weight Weenies but I'm looking into shave down the weight of the bike a little. I know I could have chosen different wheels instead of the 65mm and could have gone for 40 or 45mm to save weight (maybe I will at some point), but I am interested in investigating the price per gram if it's worth it, with also considering the aero aspect of it. I still want to be in the sweet spot and not and not "pissing money into the wind" as how he called it on youtube Road.cc timestamp 4:20: In the Diminishing Gains graph, where he plots performance against price
And see in Spring next year if I can get at least 500 grams off by replacing parts some parts e.g.: other discs, tires, Axles, Saddle, Bar tape, Paddle Axles, some bolts, and maybe the radar light and tools that I bring with me every ride.

With the wheels alone will I save +/- 400 gr. if I would buy No. 6: 30mm or farsports Evo S 35mm these are around 1100 grams.

[quote author=patliean1 link=topic=4449.msg66098#msg66098 date=1727451845

1. Can't remember the full name, but he bought it from a place called Taiwan Carbon...something. $1000

I would get roasted if I reviewed a fake Ostro, but call me very intrigued.

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In a fan of your YouTube channel, I would watch it for sure! Awesome story to hear that it was a fake one and you won’t get roasted only if you buy it with factor logos. I experienced that!
He bought it at the same shop as mine. For the handlebar I have to see, I also like your review on the EXS. However I first need to ride and make km/miles. Awesome post for the weekend!