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29er / Re: The girls Chiner
« on: June 29, 2018, 01:41:47 PM »
Frame is the Pro-Mance T800 M7007.
XX1 11 speed cassete and derraileur and chain
XX1 Eagle Dub crankset
Shimano XT brakes (M785)
Rockshox Monarch XX shock
Rockshox SID World Cub Fork
XMI Wheels (DT240S rear, Bitex Front)
Maxxis IKON 2.35 Front and Back.
Shimano XTR Pedals

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29er / The girls Chiner
« on: June 28, 2018, 01:26:20 PM »
Just finished building yesterday. Got it to 10.3kg / 22.71 lbs. To make it sub 10Kg I could save 100grams in a race saddle and 250 grams on lighter wheels with DT240s.

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29er / Re: $2,800 Budget - What would you do?
« on: June 28, 2018, 08:03:06 AM »
I just posted what I could get by calling a few local bike shops and asking for what they have in special. This depends on the time of the year.

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29er / Re: Charles M06 XL build
« on: June 27, 2018, 02:10:56 PM »
I googled it and I could not find much beyond a brand called Orange that gives 1 year warranty on racing and this thread.  Don't think any brand would harm themselves by excluding racers from their warranty, racers are some of the top ambassadors for the sport.

OK, here is one for example, Giant is a fairly well known brand, but this is from their USA terms and conditions....


5. Exclusions. THE ABOVE WARRANTY, OR ANY IMPLIED WARRANTY, DOES NOT COVER NORMAL WEAR AND TEAR. ALL WARRANTIES ARE VOID IF THE BICYCLE IS MODIFIED FROM ITS ORIGINAL CONDITION OR THE BICYCLE IS USED FOR OTHER THAN NORMAL ACTIVITIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, FAILING TO FOLLOW THE OWNER’S MANUAL OR USING THE BICYCLE FOR COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES OR IN COMPETITIVE EVENTS, INCLUD­ING BUT NOT LIMITED TO BICYCLE RACING, BICYCLE MOTORCROSS RACING, STUNT RIDING, RAMP JUMPING OR SIMILAR ACTIVITIES, AND TRAINING FOR SUCH ACTIVITIES OR EVENTS.


Like you said before, when I read things like this, it makes me look elsewhere for a bike. This exclusion may not get used much, but knowing my luck it would happen to me.


All besides the point really, as you are trying to get support on your frame. They should at least respond to your emails. I am guessing they responded to you fairly quickly when you made queries on purchasing.

Great you shared that. I definitely look at Giant differently now. It will be good trail talk topic if I catch a friend training on a Giant bike.

My giant Trance and Reign both had a sticker on the handlebars saying this bike is designed for competition. I assume that disclaimer is for the lower end bikes.

Their website does not state that. Sticker vs policy I think policy take priority. It's a big bummer, but avoidable, I would not buy a Giant based on their policies.

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29er / Re: $2,800 Budget - What would you do?
« on: June 27, 2018, 02:09:10 PM »
It is a very tough question to answer. Yes, Competitive Cyclist does have specials on Yeti frames but mostly XC frames. I was thinking about getting an ASR-c but they are out of my size. Not sure you would want a short travel frame giving where you live.

As far as reliability goes, i'm on my second Chiner frame and haven't broken any of them. Granted i'm not racing but i'm pretty hard on my M06. Not sure what's going on with charlesrg but he seems to be breaking frames left and right  :-\  This weekend i'm taking my M06 to some lift serviced trails and am going to ride hard and jump a bit too. We'll see how it makes it through.

As far as price goes i'm into my M06 build for $2850.00 and that's with all new parts. I'm running Shimano XTR rear gear with Raceface carbon crank and cockpit. X-Fusion Slide fork with X-Fusion shock. I had both pieces custom tailored for me and my bike for maybe $100.00. I bought a carbon set of rims from Yishun and absolutely love them!!! 27mm inside width perfect for 2.35 Maxxis Forecasters.

So, you can build what you want for your price point you just need to make sure you get a frame that's good for your riding environment and shop around a bit for parts. Personally i wouldn't be afraid of a Chiner frames. Like I said before, i'm not sure what's going on with charlesrg and why he is breaking frames. We'll have to see if his seller ponies up and honors his warranty. My buddy is a huge Cannondale fan and he has cracked one road frame and broken two mtb frames, none of them from crashing. Carbon is carbon, it's always subject to breaking. Riding a name brand frame doesn't guarantee it won't fail.  I guess the question is can you get replacement under warranty if it does? That why i feel it's important to be choosy who you buy your Chiner frame from. I only purchase from sellers i know and have have researched their responsiveness to those that have had issues.
I agree all frames can break and I've seen many brand frames broken at the end of races. However the response from a chinese manufacturer will never beat walking to an authorized shop and asking for warranty.
Breaking is about how much you weight and how hard you ride. 195lbs racing cat 2 here, almost cat1. Like your cannondale friend, he is probably happy as they replace whatever brakes under warranty.

What I'm trying to put is that there is not such a huge price difference from chiners vs US brands. Frame + paypal + shipping + shocks and you are already at $1000. For $1500 I can get a Yeti. I would definitely go with the YETI.
For $2999  you can get a 2018 scott spark rc 930 with warranty and built for you.  Or a bmc agonist 02 for the same price.
The problem is when you look at MSRP if you want to compare Chiner to MSRP than chiner wins, so just learn to wait and not buy MSRP because your Chiner frame will take 45 days to arrive anyway.


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29er / Re: Charles M06 XL build
« on: June 24, 2018, 09:33:52 PM »
I googled it and I could not find much beyond a brand called Orange that gives 1 year warranty on racing and this thread.  Don't think any brand would harm themselves by excluding racers from their warranty, racers are some of the top ambassadors for the sport.

OK, here is one for example, Giant is a fairly well known brand, but this is from their USA terms and conditions....


5. Exclusions. THE ABOVE WARRANTY, OR ANY IMPLIED WARRANTY, DOES NOT COVER NORMAL WEAR AND TEAR. ALL WARRANTIES ARE VOID IF THE BICYCLE IS MODIFIED FROM ITS ORIGINAL CONDITION OR THE BICYCLE IS USED FOR OTHER THAN NORMAL ACTIVITIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, FAILING TO FOLLOW THE OWNER’S MANUAL OR USING THE BICYCLE FOR COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES OR IN COMPETITIVE EVENTS, INCLUD­ING BUT NOT LIMITED TO BICYCLE RACING, BICYCLE MOTORCROSS RACING, STUNT RIDING, RAMP JUMPING OR SIMILAR ACTIVITIES, AND TRAINING FOR SUCH ACTIVITIES OR EVENTS.


Like you said before, when I read things like this, it makes me look elsewhere for a bike. This exclusion may not get used much, but knowing my luck it would happen to me.


All besides the point really, as you are trying to get support on your frame. They should at least respond to your emails. I am guessing they responded to you fairly quickly when you made queries on purchasing.

Great you shared that. I definitely look at Giant differently now. It will be good trail talk topic if I catch a friend training on a Giant bike.

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29er / Re: $2,800 Budget - What would you do?
« on: June 24, 2018, 09:30:56 PM »
Not really lucky, just patient. CompetitiveCyclist/Backcountry have specials on YETI. Also most of the bike shops I called have bikes with 20% discount that includes 2018 models.
I'm going to take a Brand Frame as I didn't expect to have a third break. I already ordered a Yeti from Competitive Cyclist and I'm also considering an Intense.

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29er / Re: Charles M06 XL build
« on: June 21, 2018, 10:32:48 PM »
So far I'm getting no response on my e-mails to request warranty. I'm getting a feeling that the seller will try to just walk away. 
With brand frames with warranty available in the market for $1500 including shocks, it will be hard to justify buying a chiner frame with no warranty or reputation.

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29er / Re: Charles M06 XL build
« on: June 21, 2018, 10:30:42 PM »
Haven't seen brands saying that warranty don't cover racing, if any brand did that I would not buy from them. Specially for XC or CX bikes that are race machines.

Yes, its always good to ask to see the warranty before buying.
Think it's just wrong to build and sell a bike that is clearly for racing on, but then exclude the bike from warranty for racing it.

I wouldn't want to list any manufacturers here, but if you did a google search on "warranty excludes bicycles used for competition", you can see lots of examples of this going on in the small print, etc...

I've never known anyone to have a warranty claim refused because of this, but then I don't know many people who race, and have had to make a claim.

I googled it and I could not find much beyond a brand called Orange that gives 1 year warranty on racing and this thread.  Don't think any brand would harm themselves by excluding racers from their warranty, racers are some of the top ambassadors for the sport.

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29er / Re: $2,800 Budget - What would you do?
« on: June 21, 2018, 10:26:27 PM »
I'm 6'3" and 195lbs. The last 3 years I broke one chinese frame a year and got no warranty back. If I was you I would get a brand new frame from an online special like the Yti ASR for $1500 and build on that.
This last frame I'm trying to get warranty but I get no reply from the seller. Chinese frame would cost very close to $1000 when you calculate that you have to buy the shock and pay the paypal fees.  For $1500 you get a brand frame reputation and warranty. I think it's worth.

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29er / Re: Charles M06 XL build
« on: June 19, 2018, 06:25:05 PM »
some brands don't cover racing in their warranties. Not considered normal use or some such rubbish. Hope your claim goes well.
Haven't seen brands saying that warranty don't cover racing, if any brand did that I would not buy from them. Specially for XC or CX bikes that are race machines.

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29er / Re: Charles M06 XL build
« on: June 17, 2018, 03:12:58 PM »
I weight between 185 and 190, yesterday I was at 190.
I finished the race riding it. As I was going through some ruts I heard a big BANG, and thought was the seat that moved, however when I finished the race I noticed the extra suspension linkage that was just created.
Brand frame would have definitely be replaced at no charge with an extra sorry from the manufacturer. I'm trying to see if seller will accept the warranty as there was no crash. They advertise 2 years, this was 13 months.


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29er / Re: Charles M06 XL build
« on: June 16, 2018, 08:06:41 PM »
Farewell my dear M06 frame. Today while racing the frame just broke in half. There was no Crash. I was still able to finish the race but I won't be racing on it again.
It lasted 13 months however I didn't use during the winter. Not sure if I should buy a brand frame or replace this.
This is my third chiner I broke.
So far I broke an 036 rear triangle another 036 seat tube and now the top tube. None of them crashing.

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29er / Re: replacement derailer hanger
« on: June 13, 2018, 08:30:28 PM »
...I've order 6 with each of my frames...

You wear a belt and suspenders together, don't you ?  ;D
Only with my bibs.

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29er / Re: Frame Sizing - Tideace FM-M009 / Smileteam ST-M006
« on: June 11, 2018, 08:42:37 AM »
Well, that depends if your legs are long or your torso is long. if you are going into details then draw the frame in bikecad then draw yourself and see how will it work.
You are 3cm taller than me. I don't see that the 3cm will make the bike not fit you. I've short torso and very long legs.

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