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eskimomo

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XM CarbonSpeed Future Gravel Bike
« on: November 07, 2016, 06:46:33 PM »
I asked Peter if they would be carrying a gravel frameset in the future after seeing this post https://ridinggravel.forumchitchat.com/post/chinese-carbon-gravel-build-carbonda-8254658?trail=75. I've attached the picture Peter sent me. I'm not sure I'm that in to what Peter will be offering but I will wait to see what the real pictures look like.



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Re: XM CarbonSpeed Future Gravel Bike
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2016, 08:37:09 PM »
Interesting.. I've gotta be honest, I've never even heard of a "gravel" bike. Mind filling me in on what the difference between regular cyclocross and gravel bikes would be?

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Re: XM CarbonSpeed Future Gravel Bike
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2016, 01:14:36 AM »
With bike tech advancing and sometimes mix-matching, the terms can likewise get lost in translation.  But from what I understand "gravel bikes" are supposed to still be pure roadies that can handle unpaved roads (gravel road not off-road).  :-)Most often still full rigid but might sport a larger wheel 28-35mm.  Cyclocross are pretty much road married to mtb and built to handle off-roads while still can be fast on un/paved roads.  CX would most often have that suspension fork.  But don't quote me on that, it's just how understand it.

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Re: XM CarbonSpeed Future Gravel Bike
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2016, 04:14:24 AM »
@Sitar_Ned, Here is a short one :)
A gravel bike, is an endurance race bike( more relaxed position than a pure race bike ), usually with disc brakes and that allows big tires( ~40mm ).
And it is all the rage in the US... well it seems from here in Europe.

I'm planning to build a road bike early next year. But due to my long legs, the gravel geometry is perfect for me.
However I just commented to Peter, that this one wasn't that relaxed as I was expecting.

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Re: XM CarbonSpeed Future Gravel Bike
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2016, 03:49:09 PM »
Hey Eskimomo thanks for posting that - I was wondering the same if Peter had anything coming.

I am in the market for the same type of frame, I have so far found there seem to be three models available.
No1
CFR505 - http://www.carbonda.com/road/gravel/cfr505.html
(same as frame XM/Peter plan to stock it looks?)
Not keen on BB86 personally, would want BSA. Is the seat post not standard as it comes with frame?

No2
Ican AC388 - http://www.icanbikes.com/html/Cross_Country/336.html#bk_desc_tab
Again BB86 - but I emailed to ask if it comes in BSA. 100x12mm front axle.

No3
Workswell WCB-C-112 - http://www.workswellbikes.com/web/view/203.html
Miraclebikes CX028 - http://www.miraclebikes.com/products/path0143/path0163/FirstLook2017cyclocrossbikeslatestflatmountcarbonC30012334/
These look identical, 100x15mm axle - not a problem but road frames seem to be going 12mm.

I have only just started looking, I have heard of all of the above except carbonda, will have to research the others for quality I guess.

Has anyone seen any other variants? I think the Chinese Carbon frames are only just waking up to these with flat mount brakes.

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Re: XM CarbonSpeed Future Gravel Bike
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2016, 08:34:19 AM »
@whitecitadel, Thanks for sharing the links!
The CFR505 is not the same as Peter's frame, the geometry shows an insteresting higher stack, shorter reach, and a longer headtube.

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Re: XM CarbonSpeed Future Gravel Bike
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2016, 12:09:33 PM »
thanks for filling me in tripledot and carbonazza. It's interesting to watch how the bike types segment into new categories based on rider needs. A bit confusing, but interesting.

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Re: XM CarbonSpeed Future Gravel Bike
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2016, 08:07:46 AM »
Hey Sitar_Ned, just check this out! GCN shows Road vs. Gravel

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Re: XM CarbonSpeed Future Gravel Bike
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2016, 03:33:21 AM »
Hey Sitar_Ned, just check this out! GCN shows Road vs. Gravel
Always fun to watch their video's :)

I would say: gravelbike with 2x11 (50/34, 11-28), that's what I'll go for.

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Re: XM CarbonSpeed Future Gravel Bike
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2016, 07:07:22 AM »
Hey Eskimomo thanks for posting that - I was wondering the same if Peter had anything coming.

I am in the market for the same type of frame, I have so far found there seem to be three models available.
No1
CFR505 - http://www.carbonda.com/road/gravel/cfr505.html
(same as frame XM/Peter plan to stock it looks?)
Not keen on BB86 personally, would want BSA. Is the seat post not standard as it comes with frame?

No2
Ican AC388 - http://www.icanbikes.com/html/Cross_Country/336.html#bk_desc_tab
Again BB86 - but I emailed to ask if it comes in BSA. 100x12mm front axle.

No3
Workswell WCB-C-112 - http://www.workswellbikes.com/web/view/203.html
Miraclebikes CX028 - http://www.miraclebikes.com/products/path0143/path0163/FirstLook2017cyclocrossbikeslatestflatmountcarbonC30012334/
These look identical, 100x15mm axle - not a problem but road frames seem to be going 12mm.

I have only just started looking, I have heard of all of the above except carbonda, will have to research the others for quality I guess.

Has anyone seen any other variants? I think the Chinese Carbon frames are only just waking up to these with flat mount brakes.
Why not going for one these frames?

CS-286 - http://xmcarbonspeed.com/Productinfo.asp?f=1377
- not flat mount
Pro:
- front: 100x15mm, rear: 142x12mm
- BSA (and more)

CS- 065 - http://xmcarbonspeed.com/Productinfo.asp?f=1480
- Flat mount
Pro:
- BSA
Cons (is it ?):
- front: 100x12mm (harder to find any nice front wheels, not really sure about this, I'm into mtb wheels)